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Actnow	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:24:00 - [1] All those red alliance and red alliance related corps guys you see farming complexes like clockwork, exploiting every bug they can to win the fight (the isk) Farming bugged complexes to make extra isk and keeping it hush hush for as long as they can. Do you really believe they are doing it because they have strong "dedication" as they like to claim. Well guess what, dedication is fueled by motive, and what better motive to build extreme dedication than this they depend on farming complexes to put food on the table. It takes some insane dedication to farm a bugged complex overseer every 50 minutes, for 20 hours a day, it takes some insane dedication to be readily available for play at any time of the day or night. CCP have shown they let things slip, like the dev that got away with cheating for such a long time, only uncovered due due to a hacker hacking someones private forums, what if it had been RA's most top and private forum? What might have been uncovered? I really do beleive that a huge isk farming operation is going on here, maybe not every member of RA is aware of it, but there is definetly something going on that would result in a lot of banned accounts if only CCP would act properly, who knows, maybe one day they will, or maybe they already know about it but don't act now because they will make themselves look like fools for letting RA get away with it for years, hmm, that reminds me back to something else RA got away with for years, 50 minute respawning complex anyone? I think theres a lot of stuff that goes on in EVE that a lot of players don't know about, and ccp probably doesn't want you to know about, it saddens me to be honest, i just wish ccp would be honest. I really don't believe that they don't know what's going on, they have the logs, the tools.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:33:00 - [2] Suddenly The X-Files seems so plausible. ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! Privateers FTW
Andrea Tesla Caldari Crazy Clone Warriors of Disaster	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:34:00 - [3] Just because they are not out to get you, does not mean, you shouldn't be paranoid. AT
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:39:00 - [4] And just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't going to lock this thread. ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! Privateers FTW
Red Desire	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:40:00 - [5] He is not paranoic, just that most of eve players don't have any ideea about complex farmers. They trade over 100 bil a month for cash.
Hex Stiletto Gallente Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:45:00 - [6] Nothing new here, it would seem that all 0.0 alliances do it. But, meh, CCP doesn't care enough about non 0.0 alliance players to do anything about it. Raise a petition, will be the official response, if there is one at all. Me bitter, yeah.
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:50:00 - [7] You do know that it is Nync and Stef who just have like 30 accounts, they run all the complexes on macro's! ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
x68	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:52:00 - [8] Proof or STFU
small hybrid	Posted - 2007.02.15 15:04:00 - [9] pretty tall accusations without even a shread of tangable evidence. Hmm I say any alliance that had a titan or mother ship is got to be cheeting somehow cause I dont have one.
Dotar Sojat Reality Check	Posted - 2007.02.15 15:24:00 - [10] I said this in another thread the other day but a mod flat out deleted my entire post...go figure. Put the Russians on the China cluster!!! This is where they belong, they share a common political ideology with the Chinese and they belong together. Please note I am not saying this out of a prejudicial paradigm, I am strictly pointing out the fundamental differences and pointing out why they act as they do.
Hex Stiletto Gallente Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 15:30:00 - [11] Originally by: small hybrid pretty tall accusations without even a shread of tangable evidence. Google is your friend. The evidence, or even direct links to it, can't be posted here, cause its against the rulz.
DarkElf Caldari Veto. Academy	Posted - 2007.02.15 15:34:00 - [12] well ebay has stopped selling virtual items now which will really hit them in the ass. way overdue if u ask me. DE
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.15 15:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Hex Stiletto The evidence, or even direct links to it, can't be posted here, cause its against the rulz. Originally by: Hex Stiletto like the dev that got away with cheating for such a long time, only uncovered due due to a hacker hacking someones private forums, There is no evidence for your claim because it is a false representation of what happened. But feel free to parrot the tin-foil crowd that also doesn't want to understand what went on and clog the forums with even more BS. -- .sig apathy ftw
Kerushi Caldari AeroSpace Engineering	Posted - 2007.02.15 15:51:00 - [14] complexes have been farmed since they were introduced that some alliances have shifts to cover the day to farm them is also known what`s new? 3x cap rig I hyperion for sale
Ironnight Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.02.15 16:09:00 - [15] Just dont care so much dude, nothing will be done. Originally by: kieron Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer Originally by: t20 Posted on 02.07.07 The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP And what about the
Hex Stiletto Gallente Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 16:24:00 - [16] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Hex Stiletto The evidence, or even direct links to it, can't be posted here, cause its against the rulz. Originally by: Hex Stiletto like the dev that got away with cheating for such a long time, only uncovered due due to a hacker hacking someones private forums, There is no evidence for your claim because it is a false representation of what happened. But feel free to parrot the tin-foil crowd that also doesn't want to understand what went on and clog the forums with even more BS. And when were the BPs were taken away? Oh, after the hack. So if the hack had never happened, then BoB would still have the illegally obtained BPs. I know that LK luv BoB, but leave the forum whoring to them, or they will just have to come and save your asses here too.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.02.15 16:27:00 - [17] Well, CCP would have banned RA, but they used all their real life money they got from ebay to buy old sovjet nukes. Now would you ban a bunch of complex farming, ISK selling, log-offskis with ... real nukes?
Dotar Sojat Reality Check	Posted - 2007.02.15 16:29:00 - [18] Originally by: DarkElf well ebay has stopped selling virtual items now which will really hit them in the ass. way overdue if u ask me. DE I would be quite interested to see the effects the ebay measures had on the number of concurrent users on the Chinese cluster. Has the number fallen since the ebay initiative? If the number has remained fairly constant, what is the new method of selling the virtual items and currency for hard currency?
Dotar Sojat Reality Check	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:06:00 - [19] HEH I reckon the ebay measure really amounted to nothing in terms of limiting isk sales, a simple google search for "isk for sale" pretty much sums it up... CCP has the ability to stop this as well as the ability to participate in it. I guess in the end, credibility is what they must strive to regain, although for some of us they never really had it to lose. If a developer has the ability to successfully hide covert t20 type activities, who's to say another dev or dev's aren't sellers of virtual items and currency. Two of my favorite quotes about trust: Quote: ôTrust is like a vase.. once it's broken, though you can fix it the vase will never be same again.ö Quote: ôI'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe youö
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Dotar Sojat I said this in another thread the other day but a mod flat out deleted my entire post...go figure. Put the Russians on the China cluster!!! This is where they belong, they share a common political ideology with the Chinese and they belong together. Please note I am not saying this out of a prejudicial paradigm, I am strictly pointing out the fundamental differences and pointing out why they act as they do. Um, you know that Russia is a free-market democracy now (more or less, anyway)?
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Hex Stiletto And when were the BPs were taken away? Oh, after the hack. So if the hack had never happened, then BoB would still have the illegally obtained BPs. You make the claim of bob illegaly obtaining bpo's but you have no evidence, just conjecture. Bob got the bpo's from someone who left the game and they had no reason whatsoever to assume the bpo's were gotten any other way then through the agent systen. Furthermore, judging from the lists of bpo's that K got from the forumdump it's easy to conclude that these bpo's have made no serious difference on any in-game events. CCP handled the situation in the summer outside of their normal protocol in such a way that it would have the least impact on the game and they succeeded. Remember, K produced no evidence whatsoever that the bpo's were illegally spawned, it was CCP who uncovered that (through audit logs or more likely by employees coming forward on the events that summer). Originally by: Hex Stiletto I know that LK luv BoB, but leave the forum whoring to them, or they will just have to come and save your asses here too. Good job on trying to attack my credibility because you saw a ticker thats been there for all of 4 days now. Now how about you get some proof for your silly accusations or STFU. -- .sig apathy ftw
Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:16:00 - [22] Quote: There is no evidence for your claim because it is a false representation of what happened. Nice Mothership you got there.
Dotar Sojat Reality Check	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Malcanis Um, you know that Russia is a free-market democracy now (more or less, anyway)? More or Less being the key operative variance. The status of a free market democracy is what gives them the ability to sell these virtual items to the world. I long for the day when "more or less" can be stricken from their status, but until then... As a sign of their good intent a CCP employee or moderator should sticky this thread right here in general discussions, rather than allowing it to fade into 9th page obscurity.
Valan	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:26:00 - [24] Edited by: Valan on 15/02/2007 17:24:57 If they're continuing to do this and there is a bug then all that BoD is the tip of the iceberg. Different rules apply for certain alliances and have done for some time. I even know which mod is going to lock this, although he won't now. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Soporo Nice Mothership you got there. Ohnoes, the arguments and your evidence is so convincing, stop the barrage of well researched accusations, oh please i beg of you... -- .sig apathy ftw
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:32:00 - [26] Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 15/02/2007 17:33:31 Originally by: Dotar Sojat CCP has the ability to stop this as well as the ability to participate in it. Its a lot easier preventing people from helping their buddies get free motherships then it is to stop ISK sales. The US cannot stop drugs even though they use armed forces. CCp would be trying to stop something that is a lot more accepted with a lot less ressources. Originally by: prsr Originally by: Soporo Nice Mothership you got there. Ohnoes, the arguments and your evidence is so convincing, stop the barrage of well researched accusations, oh please i beg of you... l2s (learn to spin) Originally by: Dotar Sojat I long for the day when "more or less" can be stricken from their status, but until then... I think most Russians appreciate you wishing them poverty and suffering brought onto them by another dictatorship ... you know the fun part? Western Companies are a lot better at censorship and whitewashing right now.
Alumion Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:39:00 - [27] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Hex Stiletto Furthermore, judging from the lists of bpo's that K got from the forumdump it's easy to conclude that these bpo's have made no serious difference on any in-game events. Cool can I have a Sabre BPO too then? ---
Tom Gunn Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:46:00 - [28] Speaking as someone who's battled against RA in the past and contested plexes with them. If your of the opinion people are running plexes to much and making too much isk, then do something about it - get out into 0.0 and kill them out of plexes, otherwise quit whining and leave CCP to stop isk sellers & fix bugs, thats their job, not the players.
Strength Cow Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Its a lot easier preventing people from helping their buddies get free motherships then it is to stop ISK sales. The US cannot stop drugs even though they use armed forces. CCp would be trying to stop something that is a lot more accepted with a lot less ressources. The US armed forces live in the real world and know only what humans living in the real world can know. CCP is the literal creator (god) of EVE had has all knowledge and tools at their finger tips. They can see all IP logs, can monitor all activity, can look at records of all trends and statistics and conversations and transfers instantly and effortlessly. If they want to fight ISK sellers, they should do it IN GAME via tools that scan the DB and flag anything their experts deem as suspicious activity, then have GMs or whoever look at the facts and do some detective work, then ban 200 accounts in a 1 hour period.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:50:00 - [30] You know what? If you have any proof file a petition. And why do you pick on RA? BoB is selling their complexes to isk-sellers. Is that any better? Give CCP some proof and they will care about it.

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