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Arras Denard
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2016.04.09 12:30:11 -
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I have dabbled with EVE for several years now, but each time I return, I feel like if I speak in local or NPC corp chat, or any of the other channels, I am punished. The bounty system is so easily abused because chatting leads to random people placing a bounty on my head.
Now, I am a carebear, through and through. A simple check of my kill to death ration can confirm that. I also spend a great deal of time either mining or exploring. I make no apologies for it. But in an MMO that should encourage communication between players, one of the first rules of EVE is "don't speak." Yeah, I know I can chat to my hearts content and just accept random bounties placed on my head, but that just places a bigger mark on my head.
Anyway, I don't think removing the bounty system is the solution, but it would be nice if I could chat while having my fun without being labeled WANTED just for trying to be social in a social game.
Well, my 10 frees days is up soon and I am not sure I will sub again yet. But while playing for the last 9 days, it occurred to me that this is one of those nagging features of EVE that I don't enjoy. I like being social, but being penalized for it really sucks.
Fly safe. |

Shayla Etherodyne
United Nations Industrial Holdings
10
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Posted - 2016.04.09 12:33:18 -
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AFAIK you need a negative standing to have a bounty placed on your character. A bit of ratting will keep that danger at bay. |

Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
943
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Posted - 2016.04.09 12:34:11 -
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Oh dear!
Just ignore the bounties, will you? They don't do anything. It's how we say hello in these parts.
Shayla Etherodyne wrote:AFAIK you need a negative standing to have a bounty placed on your character. A bit of ratting will keep that danger at bay. That was years ago. |

Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
85
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Posted - 2016.04.09 12:36:48 -
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The bounty system is almost a badge of honor for some people, it will not make you a target at all |

Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc.
1188
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Posted - 2016.04.09 12:39:47 -
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Bounties mean nothing buddy. They don't effect you in anyway and no one can shoot you because you have one.
As for being social and chatting, sometimes people will talk sometimes people won't. I will always chat if someone talks to me  *shrug*
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26115
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Posted - 2016.04.09 12:41:22 -
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If you don't have a bounty you stand out like a sore thumb.
The bounty is meaningless, the payout is limited to 20% of the value of whatever ship you're in, thus people are unlikely to hunt you down to claim it unless you make a habit of flying excessive bling.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
722
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Posted - 2016.04.09 12:41:46 -
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Join goons. We're social.
For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/
Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
79
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Posted - 2016.04.09 12:42:17 -
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Added a little 1m bounty to Arras Denard. Go shoot a ship. 
XOXO
'One night hauler' The tell all story of a pleasure bot in Jita 4-4
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
179
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Posted - 2016.04.09 12:47:56 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Oh dear! Just ignore the bounties, will you? They don't do anything. It's how we say hello in these parts. Shayla Etherodyne wrote:AFAIK you need a negative standing to have a bounty placed on your character. A bit of ratting will keep that danger at bay. That was years ago. I did not know that. Why did they changed it? It would be better that way imo.
"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen.
Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher.
Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)
"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)
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Trader20
Hedion University Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2016.04.09 13:19:52 -
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Main reason why I post on the forums with an alt, don't desire a wanted title like my other char got from a disagreement on the forums. The wanted title is more of a roleplaying title then a "badass" detector.
I do enjoy riling up chars with 666666666 isk bounties though  |

Oracle of Machina
Hedonic Defense Systems Plexodus
38
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Posted - 2016.04.09 13:27:11 -
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Don't be afraid to join up with other people with similar interests. If explo is your interest, Signal Cartel is a haven for explorers and carebears. They do have some rules about violence, but I'm not too sure on what they are. If you want somewhere to talk about explo or other carebear-y things, might be a place to look at. There's also a lot of other newbie organzations as well within the game that help all kinds of new players.
Eve sucks when you're not playing with other people. Oh, and bounties are worthless. Keep in mind that someone paid money that they can't get back to throw that on your head. |

Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
51
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Posted - 2016.04.09 13:42:11 -
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The bounty system is pretty pointless, sadly. If you're a carebear you'll have a tougher time mining since people love to try and "own" belts or whatever they say to justify the permit systems. It's happened for as long as I remember from various entities. Really, start looking for some 0.0 corps. You'll have a good chance of finding a group tucked away in some backwoods area where you can carebear away. |

David Therman
University of Caille Gallente Federation
130
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Posted - 2016.04.09 13:43:11 -
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To be wanted, is to be loved! They're just spreading the love... 
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
1731
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Posted - 2016.04.09 13:52:52 -
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Arras Denard wrote:I have dabbled with EVE for several years now, but each time I return, I feel like if I speak in local or NPC corp chat, or any of the other channels, I am punished. The bounty system is so easily abused because chatting leads to random people placing a bounty on my head.
bounties don't hurt you. Why do you care so much?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Loki O'Grady
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2016.04.09 14:08:28 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Oh dear! Just ignore the bounties, will you? They don't do anything. It's how we say hello in these parts. Shayla Etherodyne wrote:AFAIK you need a negative standing to have a bounty placed on your character. A bit of ratting will keep that danger at bay. That was years ago. I did not know that. Why did they changed it? It would be better that way imo.
In the old system, to get a bounty you needed to have a bad security status, and when you lost your ship the whole bounty was claimed by your attacker. What ended up happening was if you were an outlaw with a nice juicy bounty on your head, you'd get a friend (or alt) to shoot you and you'd split the proceeds.
Nowadays, anyone can have a bounty regardless of whether they are an outlaw or a fine upstanding law-abiding pilot, but the payout is limited to 20% of the value of your ship - so it's not financially worthwhile anymore for the outlaw to have a buddy shoot him for the payout.
As for the law-abiding high-security status pilots getting salty over having bounties placed on them, they're all supposed to be omnipotent immortal demigods responsible for the death and destruction of countless NPC lives, so I don't know why they get so sooky about it vOv
Also OP, this is an MMO, just chat away wherever you want and make yourself some new spacefriends :3 |

Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
179
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Posted - 2016.04.09 14:27:25 -
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Loki O'Grady wrote: As for the law-abiding high-security status pilots getting salty over having bounties placed on them, they're all supposed to be omnipotent immortal demigods responsible for the death and destruction of countless NPC lives, so I don't know why they get so sooky about it vOv
Because npc don't count in that way. Otherwise concord would interviene when they attack you in highsec. What they don't. The bounty payout don't bother me. Just the fact that you should not be able to put a bounty on somebody, that never did something bad to other pilots or just even started playing. Btw. Is it possible to put a bounty on a newborn pilot?
"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen.
Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher.
Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)
"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
9785
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Posted - 2016.04.09 16:14:41 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Oh dear! Just ignore the bounties, will you? They don't do anything. It's how we say hello in these parts. Shayla Etherodyne wrote:AFAIK you need a negative standing to have a bounty placed on your character. A bit of ratting will keep that danger at bay. That was years ago. I did not know that. Why did they changed it? It would be better that way imo. The DEVs removed the restriction because they realized that there are many, many ways to commit "crimes" or do generally terrible things without losing security status. More than that... "good guy" and "bad guy" are relative.
Some examples:
- A guy in your corporation/alliance is disgruntled. He has access to pretty much all the corp hangers. He steals everything and walks away from the corporation/alliance. Corp/Alliance theft does not affect your security status. The thief in question may have a 5.0 security status. Under the old system, you could not place a bounty on him. But now you can. And so you place a bounty on the thief. ------------- The thief responds by placing a bounty on all his former corp/alliance mates. In his eyes, you were all douchebags and the reason he left in the first place.
- You are peacefully mining in a belt. You see another mining vessel inching close and closer to you. You do not recognize this player. He has never been in this belt before. He has a positive security status and is in and NPC corp. There is nothing unique or interesting about his profile. Then, when the player is less than 2km from your ship squad of Catalysts comes out of warp right on top of both of you. The Destroyers target and blow YOU up. The other player is unharmed. Obviously that other miners was either an alt character or a friend of the ganker. Under the old system, he would be untouchable. But now you can slap a bounty on his face!
Please note that a bounty does not make a player a legal target anywhere in the game. It is a separate from the aggression and combat mechanics. All a bounty does is offer a nice little prize if you decide to kill said player.
edit:
Quote:Btw. Is it possible to put a bounty on a newborn pilot? Yes. It is.
And I know where you are going with this. Even though bounties really do not do much... making newbies "immune" from bounties for ___ amount of time sets a precedent and opens up a Pandora's Box of other things that newbies probably should be "immune" from. And then the veterans will come in, make brand new alt characters/accounts, and take full advantage of those protections.
How did you Veterans start?
"Learn how things work. The intricacies, interactions, and hard limits... knowing these things will grant you far more power in the long run."
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Arras Denard
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2016.04.09 16:42:17 -
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Trader20 wrote:Main reason why I post on the forums with an alt, don't desire a wanted title like my other char got from a disagreement on the forums. The wanted title is more of a roleplaying title then a "badass" detector. I do enjoy riling up chars with 666666666 isk bounties though 
I appreciate your comment. I really do. But sadly this too just proves my point. Open communication is punished in EVE. But I get that it's part of the sandbox. I guess it's just not the sandbox for me.
Anyway, fly safe and have fun. |

Arras Denard
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2016.04.09 16:44:29 -
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Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:Added a little 1m bounty to Arras Denard. Go shoot a ship.  XOXO
Well that was just mean. Of course 1mil is a trivial amount, but it is ultimately meaningless as I am not going to re-sub.
The last 9 days in EVE have reminded me why I leave every time I come back.
Fly safe and try to be kinder to people. |

Lulu Lunette
ThinkTank Phoenix TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
352
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Posted - 2016.04.09 17:02:00 -
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I love my bounty
@lunettelulu7
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
943
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Posted - 2016.04.09 17:12:25 -
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If you can't handle someone putting a meaningless number on your game character for something you said, you leaving is probably for the best. You need a thicker skin for Eve.
May the next game you try be gentler! |

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4451
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Posted - 2016.04.09 17:16:25 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Oh dear! Just ignore the bounties, will you? They don't do anything. It's how we say hello in these parts. Shayla Etherodyne wrote:AFAIK you need a negative standing to have a bounty placed on your character. A bit of ratting will keep that danger at bay. That was years ago. I did not know that. Why did they changed it? It would be better that way imo. No, you don't need negative standing to have a bounty on you. My main has positive standing and has had a bounties. They've been collected and I don't have a new one. Nobody likes me....  
Portrait inspired by my cocktiel Cockatiel.
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pushdogg
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2016.04.09 18:03:54 -
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What are you saying that gets these people riled up? |

Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
179
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Posted - 2016.04.09 18:12:50 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Mark O'Helm wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Oh dear! Just ignore the bounties, will you? They don't do anything. It's how we say hello in these parts. Shayla Etherodyne wrote:AFAIK you need a negative standing to have a bounty placed on your character. A bit of ratting will keep that danger at bay. That was years ago. I did not know that. Why did they changed it? It would be better that way imo. The DEVs removed the restriction because they realized that there are many, many ways to commit "crimes" or do generally terrible things without losing security status. More than that... "good guy" and "bad guy" are relative. Some examples: - A guy in your corporation/alliance is disgruntled. He has access to pretty much all the corp hangers. He steals everything and walks away from the corporation/alliance. Corp/Alliance theft does not affect your security status. The thief in question may have a 5.0 security status. Under the old system, you could not place a bounty on him. But now you can. And so you place a bounty on the thief. ------------- The thief responds by placing a bounty on all his former corp/alliance mates. In his eyes, you were all douchebags and the reason he left in the first place. - You are peacefully mining in a belt. You see another mining vessel inching close and closer to you. You do not recognize this player. He has never been in this belt before. He has a positive security status and is in and NPC corp. There is nothing unique or interesting about his profile. Then, when the player is less than 2km from your ship squad of Catalysts comes out of warp right on top of both of you. The Destroyers target and blow YOU up. The other player is unharmed. Obviously that other miners was either an alt character or a friend of the ganker. Under the old system, he would be untouchable. But now you can slap a bounty on his face! Please note that a bounty does not make a player a legal target anywhere in the game. It is a separate from the aggression and combat mechanics. All a bounty does is offer a nice little prize if you decide to kill said player. edit: Quote:Btw. Is it possible to put a bounty on a newborn pilot? Yes. It is. And I know where you are going with this. Even though bounties really do not do much... making newbies "immune" from bounties for ___ amount of time sets a precedent and opens up a Pandora's Box of other things that newbies probably should be "immune" from. And then the veterans will come in, make brand new alt characters/accounts, and take full advantage of those protections. Thanks for making that clear for me. I get it now. You are right. It works how it is now.
"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen.
Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher.
Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)
"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)
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ArmyOfMe
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
593
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Posted - 2016.04.09 18:16:29 -
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Arras Denard wrote:I have dabbled with EVE for several years now, but each time I return, I feel like if I speak in local or NPC corp chat, or any of the other channels, I am punished. The bounty system is so easily abused because chatting leads to random people placing a bounty on my head.
Now, I am a carebear, through and through. A simple check of my kill to death ration can confirm that. I also spend a great deal of time either mining or exploring. I make no apologies for it. But in an MMO that should encourage communication between players, one of the first rules of EVE is "don't speak." Yeah, I know I can chat to my hearts content and just accept random bounties placed on my head, but that just places a bigger mark on my head.
Anyway, I don't think removing the bounty system is the solution, but it would be nice if I could chat while having my fun without being labeled WANTED just for trying to be social in a social game.
Well, my 10 frees days is up soon and I am not sure I will sub again yet. But while playing for the last 9 days, it occurred to me that this is one of those nagging features of EVE that I don't enjoy. I like being social, but being penalized for it really sucks.
Fly safe. Get in touch with me, and ill drag you into a channel or two with friendly souls (well, not always friendly, but no assholes at least)
ArmyOfMe wrote:
1) If you get bumped then that webber wont do anything.
baltec1 wrote:
We use the exact same tactic for titans and they enter warp instantly.
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Shayla Etherodyne
United Nations Industrial Holdings
10
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Posted - 2016.04.09 18:28:06 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Oh dear! Just ignore the bounties, will you? They don't do anything. It's how we say hello in these parts. Shayla Etherodyne wrote:AFAIK you need a negative standing to have a bounty placed on your character. A bit of ratting will keep that danger at bay. That was years ago.
I am from years ago. |

W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2016.04.09 18:29:32 -
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A bunch of us put bounties on each other when they updated the bounty system and got rid of all the bounties in the game. Felt weird not seeing it over the picture. Hell, my market alt has a bounty on it and it never unlocks lol. Side effect from bs-ing in trade hub local chat lol. To be honest, I don't know why they didn't just remove the bounty system instead of revamping it. |

Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
329
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Posted - 2016.04.09 18:39:51 -
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Cien Banchiere wrote:The bounty system is pretty pointless, sadly. If you're a carebear you'll have a tougher time mining since people love to try and "own" belts or whatever they say to justify the permit systems. It's happened for as long as I remember from various entities. Really, start looking for some 0.0 corps. You'll have a good chance of finding a group tucked away in some backwoods area where you can carebear away.
Bullshit..If you want to mine, go mine. Never bought a permit, never will.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
15044
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Posted - 2016.04.09 18:47:49 -
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Bounties are like that hair that grows in funny places, after a certain age its abscence is either deliberate or indicative of something serious. Also much like the aformentioned hair it should have absolutly no impact on your day to day activities.
The only people who would take issue with you having one are prudish wierdos who dont understand the systems and probably no fun anyway
Better the Devil you know.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11628
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Posted - 2016.04.09 18:50:16 -
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Arras Denard wrote:Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:Added a little 1m bounty to Arras Denard. Go shoot a ship.  XOXO Well that was just mean. Of course 1mil is a trivial amount, but it is ultimately meaningless as I am not going to re-sub. The last 9 days in EVE have reminded me why I leave every time I come back. Fly safe and try to be kinder to people.
It appears that you really aren't cut out for this game, snowflake (and Lord knows how you handle RL when things get a little uncomfortable or awkward). For God's sake, it's just internet pixels, not a poster with your real face on it in a bounty hunter's office.
Farewell, and may you find the video game of your dreams! 
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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