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Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.17 19:47:00 - [61] I would rather say 'forum drama queens online'. DEV *****ed!!! I'M LEAVING!!!! PIWAT KILLED ME!! NOT FAIR!! I'M PETITIONING!!! OMG THEY KILLED TITAN!! YOU BASTARDS!! (I'M LOGGING!) BS GOES 8KM/S! LOLZ! I'M POSTING IN NERF THREAD!!
Vidar Kentoran Minmatar Provenance.	Posted - 2007.02.17 19:54:00 - [62] Maybe if the UI wasn't written by a poorly trained monkey, things like this wouldn't happen. Being Warp Scrambled. Having an Aggro Timer. These are things that should have a clear visual indicator. God only knows why they don't.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:37:00 - [63] Originally by: Vidar Kentoran Maybe if the UI wasn't written by a poorly trained monkey, things like this wouldn't happen. Being Warp Scrambled. Having an Aggro Timer. These are things that should have a clear visual indicator. God only knows why they don't. CCP once mentionned they'd like an "scrambled" indicator, looong ago... Another of those pretty essential things that Eve still lacks. ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Larice	Posted - 2007.02.17 21:16:00 - [64] Originally by: Ling Xiao Real life didn't cause him to lose anything. His own lack of safety precautions, and the vigilance of the spy did. You are right. Let me rephrase: People should not lose ingame stuff because of things they need to do in real life, simple as that. The titan pilot was not playing when he lost his ship, so reimbursement is the only logical conclusion.
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2007.02.17 21:20:00 - [65] I needed to go to the toilet while sitting in a complex, and my ship got blown up. I wasn't there when it happened so I should get my ship reimbursed. I suggest you read what you're about to post, before pressing the "Post Reply" button.
Vladt	Posted - 2007.02.17 21:35:00 - [66] While we are talking about aggression timer , I see no sense that an agression Timer ist set from a CorpMember or GangMember when he shots you. _Things I want CCP to change : 1. Where do I get that Information first handed from CCP ? Im playing the Game now for more then a year and dont have a clear understanding , a newbie will have no chance in knowing ;( 2. Why do I get no in game information about Aggression Timer ? ( As in hidden Aggro ) 3. There is a warning is the game almost for everthing ( should the mining laser be fired on the asteriod ;) ) but there is no info if I try to log off and an "client Agressiong Timer" is still set. ( Looking for an option which gives me that information ) 4. No Aggression Counter set, when the dmg ist made by a friendly source ( GangMember, CorpMeber ... ) 5. It should be in NO way possible to force an Agression Timer on someone if the client is disconnected Regards
Argyle Jones Minmatar Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.02.17 22:04:00 - [67] The only problem I see with this mechanic is that it is entirely possible to sit next to a ship in a covert ops frigate, wait until he log, quickly uncloak and fire a smartbomb. When clicking control Q, you're out of the game, but your ship is not that fast, it'll start moving, reach full speed and warp, stay in space for 2 minutes and disappear. This means that your attack to prevent his ship from disappearing happens after the player has actually left the game. Now consider the ship in question is a titan. They ain't exactly nimble ships, you could scan down one of these babies and warp to it, before it did a 180. /Argyle
zincol S.A.S	Posted - 2007.02.17 22:08:00 - [68] Simple - Add pvp agression timer counter on the top left like you get with empire ganking or npcs or logg out timer what ever.
EPSILON DELTA	Posted - 2007.02.17 22:12:00 - [69] Losing a titan in anyway other than a bug or exploit is only the fault of their stupidity Tricking people through social engineering into a situation that could put themself at a disadvantage is a very valid, and perhaps only reasonable strategy to killing a titan at the moment. I don't imagine any titan dying of regular combat anytime soon. -------------------------------------------------- Yes I'm a forum alt, what you going to do about it?
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.17 22:49:00 - [70] Edited by: Mindlles on 17/02/2007 22:46:13 Originally by: Jiekon If you are talking about shooting his containers or wrecks to cause agression, then no, it is not allowed. This is an exploit and it will be fixed ASAP. If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine. So when are u fixxing the more importen problem with logging then?
Sae Marr Amarr 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:07:00 - [71] Way to go Addressing a lame workaround for a lamer problem ignoring the latter - bravo. -
Larice	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:42:00 - [72] Originally by: Ling Xiao I needed to go to the toilet while sitting in a complex, and my ship got blown up. I wasn't there when it happened so I should get my ship reimbursed. Your game was running, so you were playing. His game was not running, so he was not playing. That is why he should get a reimbursement and you should not. Even more so because his involves such an expensive and rare ship.
RtoZ	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:56:00 - [73] Yes, let's make a ship so great it takes years of concentrated effort by a large group of players just to get someone into one. Let's make it a mobile station and an invaluable corp asset. Let's make it the most complex 3d model in the game and a long term goal for every serious eve player to at least be docked in one once. Let's make it rock. And then let's totally **** up the game mechanics so you can get it killed while you're offline, and not even realize it. Sorry, but this situation just sucks. At the very least the player should get a very BIG timer and a popup warning (with no off switch) every time he logs off in a killable situation. C'mon CCP, stop backstabbing you're playerbase. It was crap for Cyvok, it's crap for whoever lost the Erebus. It's crap for me to have to watch. Revelations of sleazy game design.
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:45:00 - [74] Christ, you people are STILL whining about this?? Holy $hit!!! the world is covered to a depth of 10miles now from all the tears D2 and friends have cried over this....incident. You got the reply fromt he Devs you wanted....Do I really have to repeat it?? You're NOT getting your Titan back stop stop crying already. And ANY of you D2 and friends that say you haven't used the same dirty tactic before are pure and simply liars. EVERYONE has used it...and hence, ...well, you've seen how it goes. Get over it already!
Christopher Multsanti ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 10:27:00 - [75] Originally by: Jiekon If you are talking about shooting his containers or wrecks to cause agression, then no, it is not allowed. This is an exploit and it will be fixed ASAP. If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine. Someone on the many forums I frequent made a good point. Surely this point should apply to the latter example you mentioned? Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Here's the link to the page: http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_12.asp It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 10:36:00 - [76] Originally by: Dark Shikari 1. The titan pilot was outside of the bubble. AFAIK, inside, you cannot set off a smartbomb. 2. The titan pilot had damage messages off. If either of these were not true, the titan would likely have not been lost. Damage messages were probably on. There's a rather sizeable window of opportunity during which a closed client isn't removed from local yet, and hence still aggressable - he only becomes unaggressable (with the exception of sticking the timer during his next session) after he has left local, which does not coincide with the client exiting.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:30:00 - [77] Edited by: NightmareX on 18/02/2007 12:29:36 Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Christ, you people are STILL whining about this?? Holy $hit!!! the world is covered to a depth of 10miles now from all the tears D2 and friends have cried over this....incident. You got the reply fromt he Devs you wanted....Do I really have to repeat it?? You're NOT getting your Titan back stop stop crying already. And ANY of you D2 and friends that say you haven't used the same dirty tactic before are pure and simply liars. EVERYONE has used it...and hence, ...well, you've seen how it goes. Get over it already! Hah, you can stop your whining If the EULA is getting follwed, then D2 will get the Titan back And i can say for sure that i have never used this tactic. Because i'm not an lame ass that use cheap tactics in EVE. Because in the end if your using them, it's you that will looks like an idiot after you have used the tactic. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Esaka Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. It also says "Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works". It is an intented game mechanic that your ship will stay in space if it received damage within the last 15mins. That mechanic is known to everybody. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com Evewide Market-Info: http://eve-central.com/
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:45:00 - [79] Originally by: Esaka Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. It also says "Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works". It is an intented game mechanic that your ship will stay in space if it received damage within the last 15mins. That mechanic is known to everybody. Yes, but as long the Titan pilot didn't got any indications on that, then it's not his problem Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
News Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:56:00 - [80] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Esaka Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. It also says "Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works". It is an intented game mechanic that your ship will stay in space if it received damage within the last 15mins. That mechanic is known to everybody. Yes, but as long the Titan pilot didn't got any indications on that, then it's not his problem Finally, you see the light. The Titan pilot did get the indication he received damage. It was in his logs. If he didn't check it, that's his fault. I'm glad we agree on this, you can stop posting now.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:01:00 - [81] You know as much as I know the kill is legit, it's also lame. We should not have to go through these stupid, circuitous procedures just to log off from the game. Fix it CCP.
Xade Caldari K.T.P	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:02:00 - [82] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Esaka Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. It also says "Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works". It is an intented game mechanic that your ship will stay in space if it received damage within the last 15mins. That mechanic is known to everybody. Yes, but as long the Titan pilot didn't got any indications on that, then it's not his problem Why are CA even arguing this point ? If it wasn't BoB who got the titan kill their wouldn't be such a big fuss about it. Oh and it wasn't such a big problem the other day when You guys jumped into JV1V forcing all LV pilots to crash with the node. Then you all took advantage of the fact a dev/GM then moved you guys to M-R by jumping back into a now undefended system and POS, while the LV pilots were still trying to log in. C'mon why has the eve community all of a sudden lost the ability rationalise. Things are never a problem in this game until it affects you in a negative way but when it helps you in a positive way its all of a sudden ok.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:13:00 - [83] Originally by: NightmareX Hah, you can stop your whining If the EULA is getting follwed, then D2 will get the Titan back And i can say for sure that i have never used this tactic. Because i'm not an lame ass that use cheap tactics in EVE. Because in the end if your using them, it's you that will looks like an idiot after you have used the tactic. Read what the dev said again troll. Using In-game mechanics, and nothing of an exploiting manner, the player used a micro-graviton smartbomb against the titan; giving him 15 minutes agression timer. Say what you want, he was shot at because he was a silly bear, he wont get the titan back. Silence Nightmare, back into the cave or start shooting bob.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:20:00 - [84] Originally by: Xade Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Esaka Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. It also says "Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works". It is an intented game mechanic that your ship will stay in space if it received damage within the last 15mins. That mechanic is known to everybody. Yes, but as long the Titan pilot didn't got any indications on that, then it's not his problem Why are CA even arguing this point ? If it wasn't BoB who got the titan kill their wouldn't be such a big fuss about it. Oh and it wasn't such a big problem the other day when You guys jumped into JV1V forcing all LV pilots to crash with the node. Then you all took advantage of the fact a dev/GM then moved you guys to M-R by jumping back into a now undefended system and POS, while the LV pilots were still trying to log in. C'mon why has the eve community all of a sudden lost the ability rationalise. Things are never a problem in this game until it affects you in a negative way but when it helps you in a positive way its all of a sudden ok. How many times do i have to say it, we jumped in with a huge fleet there to kill some few titans, is it hard to understand? Well i understand that you would have jumped in with a 50 man fleet on a fleet of 450 peoples on the other side, where 2-3 of them are Titans, some of them are carriers, and was a bunch of fighters there to. About the Node crashes, it's no one faults because IF LV had jumped in to us, then the Node would have crashed anyways, so it's CCP's fault. And i don't care what you are saying, i would have sayed the same if it was RA that had killed the Titan, if RA had been an enemy to D2. So stop with your useless crap talking Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:23:00 - [85] Edited by: NightmareX on 18/02/2007 13:21:12 Originally by: Proxay Originally by: NightmareX Hah, you can stop your whining If the EULA is getting follwed, then D2 will get the Titan back And i can say for sure that i have never used this tactic. Because i'm not an lame ass that use cheap tactics in EVE. Because in the end if your using them, it's you that will looks like an idiot after you have used the tactic. Read what the dev said again troll. Using In-game mechanics, and nothing of an exploiting manner, the player used a micro-graviton smartbomb against the titan; giving him 15 minutes agression timer. Say what you want, he was shot at because he was a silly bear, he wont get the titan back. Silence Nightmare, back into the cave or start shooting bob. I don't care, the devs can't say another thing that the EULA is saying about this whatever you are saying. AS long the titan pilot didn't got any indication on that he had been agressed before he logged off, it's NOT the titan pilot problem, it's CCP's problem that the timer is not fixed. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Milena Marich	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:27:00 - [86] The aggression timer was put in so that people could no longer simply logout to save their ship if they get attacked. It was never meant to be used to prevent people from logging out at the end of the day as they normally would this is made worse when we now have ships that cant dock like titans and motherships. Clear exploit of crappy game mechanics. Since there is not response from CCP yet, I can only assume that they are talking to t20 to get all relevant facts together..... or should we talk about credibility?
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:32:00 - [87] Originally by: Milena Marich The aggression timer was put in so that people could no longer simply logout to save their ship if they get attacked. It was never meant to be used to prevent people from logging out at the end of the day as they normally would this is made worse when we now have ships that cant dock like titans and motherships. Clear exploit of crappy game mechanics. Since there is not response from CCP yet, I can only assume that they are talking to t20 to get all relevant facts together..... or should we talk about credibility? Exactly, some braindamages peoples here still don't understand that, it's so damn funny Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:39:00 - [88] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Proxay Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 18/02/2007 13:21:12 Originally by: Proxay Originally by: NightmareX Hah, you can stop your whining If the EULA is getting follwed, then D2 will get the Titan back And i can say for sure that i have never used this tactic. Because i'm not an lame ass that use cheap tactics in EVE. Because in the end if your using them, it's you that will looks like an idiot after you have used the tactic. Read what the dev said again troll. Using In-game mechanics, and nothing of an exploiting manner, the player used a micro-graviton smartbomb against the titan; giving him 15 minutes agression timer. Say what you want, he was shot at because he was a silly bear, he wont get the titan back. Silence Nightmare, back into the cave or start shooting bob. I don't care, the devs can't say another thing that the EULA is saying about this whatever you are saying. AS long the titan pilot didn't got any indication on that he had been agressed before he logged off, it's NOT the titan pilot problem, it's CCP's problem that the timer is not fixed. you do and you replied with another retarded comment; HE GOT SMARTBOMBED, IF HE TURNED OFF MESSAGES, THATS HIS BAD. NOT CCP's. NOT BOB's. NOT THE GUY NEXT DOOR. It was his alone. Every pilot is well aware of agression, and if you forget that can only be your own fault. Is it his fault that he want to turn of damage messages to get better fps when fighting? It's not his fault when CCP allow him to turn it off What the hell...where'd any form of arguement go from you...it's like your brain completely stopped functioning with that post.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.02.18 14:01:00 - [89] Originally by: Vernor Kurzweil should know all about the possibilities of the aggro timer (and lack of a warning that you have one) That's the only part of the whole issue that I have any "beef" with. Why ISN'T there a permanently visible message on the HUD showing all kinds of timers your ship is currently "involved" in ? I doubt there's any good explanation as why it shouldn't be visible, so why the delay in making it visible ? It can't be THAT much work, now can it ? And to be honest, it kind of is a priority, especially considering the potential benefits compared to amount of needed work. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Christopher Multsanti ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 14:06:00 - [90] I think you people are missing the point I was making. Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. And I am pretty sure that the Titan pilot is aware that if he logs with aggression he can be probed. It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?

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