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Sargonius
Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Sargonius
?? what exploit? show me? i did show you the proof , wheres yours? what exploit?
AAA and RA have had more than 30 accounts banned for use of a complex exploit last year. RA have had 3 carrier pilots banned for use of carrier overloading exploits. All of this is very well documented (far better than what you claim is an 'exploit' but is probably just a bug.
Well im happy those was banned to be honest , and ALL exploit of a BUG MUST be BAN!
Thats not always the case and that ruining a cool game. And its happening very too often lately!
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Fabienne Runestar BoB doesn't want respect, though they want to be feared and uber. So, go on being 'So awesome' Bob. Your griefing will end sooner rather than later. It was a nice run while it lasted.
Yeah BOB want to be feared, but all you have to do is stay logged in and they wont attack you
Your loss of 2 dreads and a carrier prove otherwise.
Isnt the only reason you lost so little is because you lacked the balls to drop them into siege?
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sargonius
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Sargonius
?? what exploit? show me? i did show you the proof , wheres yours? what exploit?
AAA and RA have had more than 30 accounts banned for use of a complex exploit last year. RA have had 3 carrier pilots banned for use of carrier overloading exploits. All of this is very well documented (far better than what you claim is an 'exploit' but is probably just a bug.
Well im happy those was banned to be honest , and ALL exploit of a BUG MUST be BAN!
Thats not always the case and that ruining a cool game. And its happening very too often lately!
I 100% agree. Knowing exploitation of a bug should = ban
Aggro timer, even from a friendly, is not a bug though
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Sargonius
Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Sargonius
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Sargonius
?? what exploit? show me? i did show you the proof , wheres yours? what exploit?
AAA and RA have had more than 30 accounts banned for use of a complex exploit last year. RA have had 3 carrier pilots banned for use of carrier overloading exploits. All of this is very well documented (far better than what you claim is an 'exploit' but is probably just a bug.
Well im happy those was banned to be honest , and ALL exploit of a BUG MUST be BAN!
Thats not always the case and that ruining a cool game. And its happening very too often lately!
I 100% agree. Knowing exploitation of a bug should = ban
Aggro timer, even from a friendly, is not a bug though
Agree too BUT not meant to be use when someone log off without being in any fight! ... in this case Titan didnt log off to escape a fight ( thats what the agression timer in meant for) and they exploiting a bad mecanic of the game to kill it
Exploits s bad but true |
Last Mohicans
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:37:00 -
[185]
Why is the titan pilot skating on this?? Why hasn't anyone had the balls to call him out and say 'WTF where you thinking"
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Lea Redux
Gallente moon7empler Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:52:00 -
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First off: i think kma was a bit drunk when typing the op
Second: there are some points which are yet not known widely to the public because people want to be 1000% sure before posting them... which unfortunately partly fuelled the forum fires.
Now yesterday earlier in the day D2 lost a carrier due to BoB capitals continuing to shoot it AFTER it entered pos forcefields, i dont know how that worked but i believe not setting pos shield pw and possibly passive targeters were involved. Anyways the explanation was so convoluted that i could not for the life of me find any logical REASON within game terms.
Furthermore the titan thingie... the titan was aggroed right as it logged out by a spy in a covpos using a smartbomb as to not have to target the titan, and the pilot failed to noticed it due to him either already being in the process of logging or becouse of disabled dmg messages. Right up to that point everythings shifty and underhand, but still fair and square. Now believe it or not, people in D2 are not stupid. So standard procedure required a cyno pilot on standby and a person scanning whether the titan disappeared or not. However at the point where it became clear that something had gone wrong BoB had already scanned the titan down and was cynoing in the capitals. 2nd props to them for that well concerted action.
In a perfect server world, at that point the titan would have logged back in, ganged the cyno pilot and jumped out (as he had enough cap for jumping the whole time), however SOMETHING goes wrong, and the titan just sits there dying waiting for the ganginvite to get processed. End of story.
As to the "buhuu your allies blobbed the capyards just to crash nodes", noone i know in D2 has ever condoned willingly setting the servers aflame, but there is a difference between a bm bomb and superiority in numbers. Afterall conventional wisdom holds it that you need at least a 2:1 adv. to storm a fortified position. The fact that the server cant handle those numbers lies beyond the control of the individual player.
Now in conclusion, neither this nor the op are a whine about haxxploitz, but rather a lament about how people are prepared to go to ANY length to achieve some dubious victory, rather than seeing the chance in eve to have those epic fights we all love to participate in.
Disclaimer: above views are my own, facts might not be exactly as i gathered them, and i might get my teeth kicked in for posting here.
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:00:00 -
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this is MY plan, ofc it worked... kthx (c)
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Powdder
CL0CKW0RK 0RANGE
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo One of the main reasons we are away from all that crap is because it really did seem to be "win at all costs".. it was a rubbish way to play eve and i apologise to my corp mates for putting them thru it. lesson learned.
it wasnt for fun, it was all about winning, thats REALLY sad..
the large alliances do not care if they destroy this game, they are just out for themselves, i hope they all burn. BOB hopefully faster than others, because regardless of what others may think imo they are FULL of cheats that are bad for this great game.
d solo.
signed
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Tarri
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tarri on 17/02/2007 18:09:54 EVE is a game, not RL. You shouldnŠt have to check 12318241842 things before logging out!
If your children, wife, dog or parrot needs attention, you should be able to just close EVE by pressing exit. ----
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Sister Chang
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tarri Edited by: Tarri on 17/02/2007 18:09:54 EVE is a game, not RL. You shouldnŠt have to check 12318241842 things before logging out!
If your children, wife, dog or parrot needs attention, you should be able to just close EVE by pressing exit.
Eve is not Wow.
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Bibz
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sargonius
clic the link under my sig
RA peons talking about exploits rofl
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Ravysa Delorean
Amarr Torro Negro Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sister Chang
Originally by: Tarri Edited by: Tarri on 17/02/2007 18:09:54 EVE is a game, not RL. You shouldnŠt have to check 12318241842 things before logging out!
If your children, wife, dog or parrot needs attention, you should be able to just close EVE by pressing exit.
Eve is not Wow.
So all with a RL should go play Wow?
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 17/02/2007 19:04:10
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Fabienne Runestar BoB doesn't want respect, though they want to be feared and uber. So, go on being 'So awesome' Bob. Your griefing will end sooner rather than later. It was a nice run while it lasted.
Yeah BOB want to be feared, but all you have to do is stay logged in and they wont attack you
Your loss of 2 dreads and a carrier prove otherwise.
Isnt the only reason you lost so little is because you lacked the balls to drop them into siege?
Oh please Check BOB capital losses today...and wouldn't having "balls" require engaging targets that are online.
I dont think you can use that card anymore
Edit: ok..BOB allied cap losses...as I'm not sure who's alt you are
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Guardian Angell
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.17 19:49:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Ravysa Delorean
Originally by: Sister Chang
Originally by: Tarri Edited by: Tarri on 17/02/2007 18:09:54 EVE is a game, not RL. You shouldnŠt have to check 12318241842 things before logging out!
If your children, wife, dog or parrot needs attention, you should be able to just close EVE by pressing exit.
Eve is not Wow.
So all with a RL should go play Wow?
LoL
It seems like that's the case. If you want to play a game, just a game and nothing more (that involves having fun too) you should go out there and play WoW, QuakeWars, Battlefield, Call of Duty etc. and then, when you've had enough go back to RL. It's just a game.
If you don't have a RL, a real job, real worries etc. then come to Eve and build them here. Troll ppl around for being noobs, incapable to spend all their time for the sake of the corp. You must sacrifice everything to be the slave in a virtual world. And when this game will eventually close-down, you'll find yourself lost...
o/ ________________ Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups - Under Siege 2 |
Guardian Angell
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.17 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ravysa Delorean
Originally by: Sister Chang
Originally by: Tarri Edited by: Tarri on 17/02/2007 18:09:54 EVE is a game, not RL. You shouldnŠt have to check 12318241842 things before logging out!
If your children, wife, dog or parrot needs attention, you should be able to just close EVE by pressing exit.
Eve is not Wow.
So all with a RL should go play Wow?
LoL
It seems like that's the case. If you want to play a game, just a game and nothing more (that involves having fun too) you should go out there and play WoW, QuakeWars, Battlefield, Call of Duty etc. and then, when you've had enough go back to RL. It's just a game.
If you don't have a RL, a real job, real worries etc. then come to Eve and build them here. Troll ppl around for being noobs, incapable to spend all their time for the sake of the corp. You must sacrifice everything to be the slave in a virtual world. And when this game will eventually close-down, you'll find yourself lost...
o/ ________________ Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups - Under Siege 2 |
Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar Freedom for All The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.02.17 20:14:00 -
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The agression timer was introduced to avoid that players log off during combat and therefore bypassing ingame consequences by using "offgame"-mechanics like ctrl-q or disconnecting. That was logic.
If you are shooting a ship, it is not realistic if it dissapears while you are shooting at it.
But it is rediculous that it is now used as ingame-mechanic to get the ship of a pilot who has already logged off. Now it is used contrariwise: ingame-mechanics are used to keep people online, even if the fight is over for hours. I think, that was not the original intention of this game mechanic. You can hardly explain this scenario ingame.
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Cassandra Bloom
Diamonds inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 20:28:00 -
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All games are software, all software is susceptible to abuse and various exploits. In EVE-PVP some people forget that the game is about fighting your enemy and kill him using your pilot skills, your better ship modules or your superior fleet commander tactics or even annoy him with your smacktard mouth :)
People like BOB don't even care about the rules of engagement no more, BOB never goes for the fight and only cares of the unmanned ship kill and naturally because of them this game is becoming more like WHO'S THE BEST IN INFILTRATING THE OTHER ONE'S BASE with a noob AND DESTROY HIS ASSETS WITHOUT ACTUALLY FIGHTING. So basically we all should forget about the fittings and ships and crap or mining, trading and just start abusing people's trust and rot them from the inside so we can win EVE too: play the game, use exploits, but don't actually fight.
Now trying hard not to mention the BOB t2 blueprint abuse episodes, I think CCP is not necessarily stupid, but rather out of their fukin mind. Who wants to play BOBONLINE is beyond me. |
Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.17 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cassandra Bloom All games are software, all software is susceptible to abuse and various exploits. In EVE-PVP some people forget that the game is about fighting your enemy and kill him using your pilot skills, your better ship modules or your superior fleet commander tactics or even annoy him with your smacktard mouth :)
People like BOB don't even care about the rules of engagement no more, BOB never goes for the fight and only cares of the unmanned ship kill and naturally because of them this game is becoming more like WHO'S THE BEST IN INFILTRATING THE OTHER ONE'S BASE with a noob AND DESTROY HIS ASSETS WITHOUT ACTUALLY FIGHTING. So basically we all should forget about the fittings and ships and crap or mining, trading and just start abusing people's trust and rot them from the inside so we can win EVE too: play the game, use exploits, but don't actually fight.
Now trying hard not to mention the BOB t2 blueprint abuse episodes, I think CCP is not necessarily stupid, but rather out of their fukin mind. Who wants to play BOBONLINE is beyond me.
Ever left empire? No? Ok, just checking.
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Salda
Smoke Hurricane
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Posted - 2007.02.18 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 17/02/2007 11:35:00
Originally by: Lilyeth
Originally by: Kmacross Dont tell me using a spy to do aggro on the titan isnt cheating, from my pov it is and u guys should get a propper punishment!
Crashing a node on purpose in order to kill a baby titan is a proper way to do it and you were all cheering on it, right? [/b]
so sick of that line... proof or STFU!
Proof? Simple From the time the pos came out of reinforced untill the time it died how many people were in the solarsystem? between 500 and 1500 depending on who you talk to. Now if you get 1500 people hostile to eachother in one system none of them docked for 2 hours how many killmails would you expect?
The mass of killmails generated by the pew-pew between ships fighting over LV's titan could be counted on my fingers. if you were trying to kill the node or not, the point is there was no fight for the titan. Everyone was loged in staring at a black screen(cept the lucky 50-75 people that were in) that leaves 1400 ships that were present in the system that played out no part in the engagement.
THIS is lv's problem, you came to kill them, they put up a fight, and no actual fight happened.
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Gulkan Djinn
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Posted - 2007.02.18 07:49:00 -
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After some consideration my personal opinion is: BoB had an excellent plan and executed it well. It's a well-known game mechanic just put to a novel use. I admire cleverness.
The quick login D2/goon/RA vs LV node crash/titan kill thing - I think that is also a well known game mechanic at this point, it just certainly isn't clever or novel. BoB's apparently used it before, but that could be hearsay, I have no idea.
I think both losses are valid, the LV loss being a little more suspect but everyone had the same chance to log back in and both sides were likely well aware of the probability of an imminent node crash.
BUT from a game play perspective they both suck.
The hardware issues surrounding the LV loss are brutal to solve but can't be deemed an exploit, otherwise loading a system with defenders, alts, afk, what have you would make it invulnerable.
The issue of logging out and *not noticing* that you are aggressed is clearly not an exploit but also has a very simple solution. On logout, an aggressed pilot should have to clear a message box that says "You have an aggression timer that will keep you in space. That timer has a remaining x:xx minutes. Are you sure you want to log out now?"
At the end though. Good kills to both BoB and Anti-BoB (which seems to be everybody except MC, LV and a scattering of other individuals)
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31i73
BGG
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Posted - 2007.02.18 08:17:00 -
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A visible aggro counter might be the fix for this kind of silly "kills" player should know when it is safe to log off. Logging off in bubble with hostiles shouldn't be safe tho. Signature graphic removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected]) |
hybridundertaker
Amarr Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.18 10:20:00 -
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if u field ultimate weapon of distruction u must expect to be a target of such plots. frankly extending aggro timer doesnt require a genious or a developer it just requires the dedication to get the plan done and not just talk about it.
many alliances , not just bob, use infiltrators and it is common in RL warfare also. wheter use of such methods is legitimate or not in a mmorpg is debatable but so is debatable taxing players (slaves=pets=renters) to be in a ''game virtual space'' or using other players as meat shields (pets=napsters=northeners) while u build ure capital fleet. As u can say players have their own free will wheter to pay d2 tax or not but also ure titan pilot had the free will to be cloaked at ss 15 minutes b4 logging off or at least he could maybe check his journal b4 he logged of multi billion zillion cap ship. Btw is haxing ppl forums and checking ips is allright and a general good direction in eve, when are u guys gonna track my ip and hack our forums?
Ive lost a carrier long long ago when i logged of agressed bcs some traitor *****es had my fighters agressed after claiming they never had them in control. I said to my self: what a nublet i was...
Now stop whining and kill bob or die trying. It was ure choice to engage them, u could all stay and make isk in empire, ive heard concord charges 0 and if u get some standing done u can get perfect refine or so ive heard.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:08:00 -
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I would like to know why CCP makes a ship that can't dock in a station, but also has a EULA that says an account can't be shared.
That's the ultimate grief right there. Spend a bunch of time and effort to get this big supper weapon, and it is taken out in "combat" because all the parking spots are too small and no one can stay logged on all the time. Too funny.
WTFPWN by CCP
My advice - Don't waste your time and ISK with these big pieces of crap.
How much was spent on these titans and all the infrastructure needed? What if that time and ISK was spent on recruiting new players, training them, getting them into ships and turning them into effective and loyal fighting forces.
Yeah, a V2 rocket is fun to play with, but it didn't win the war, cheap Shermans and 20 million poorly equiped but determined Russians did.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: hybridundertaker Btw is haxing ppl forums and checking ips is allright and a general good direction in eve,
Hope you're not serious in this statement. This is a criminal offense. Not just to the person who is the victim, but also the victim's service provider. It may change from Country to Country to some degree, but you can be assured anyone with enough money to be a service provider, also has enough money to have thier assets protected by the law.
Very bad idea to play the IP game.
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thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:17:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: hybridundertaker Btw is haxing ppl forums and checking ips is allright and a general good direction in eve,
Hope you're not serious in this statement. This is a criminal offense. Not just to the person who is the victim, but also the victim's service provider. It may change from Country to Country to some degree, but you can be assured anyone with enough money to be a service provider, also has enough money to have thier assets protected by the law.
Very bad idea to play the IP game.
You missed the point of that statement tbh.. it was a poke at d2's recent "anti-spy" methods, it has already happened _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB) |
sakana
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:25:00 -
[206]
tbh, i think even some BoB agree with you... ------------
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MacDuncan
Minmatar Unknown Society
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:30:00 -
[207]
Originally by: hybridundertaker
edited: i cant spell sry and feel free to flame me i deserve it bcs i admire bob warmachine but frankly they have allways been working on raising the bar in this game.
No, imho they lowered the standards consequently for all others with all their metagaming. And no, it's not that BoB really needed to, but they have choosen it also to do it freely to win EvE (whatever this may be). --
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hybridundertaker
Amarr Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:33:00 -
[208]
Edited by: hybridundertaker on 18/02/2007 11:30:39
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: hybridundertaker Btw is haxing ppl forums and checking ips is allright and a general good direction in eve,
Hope you're not serious in this statement. This is a criminal offense. Not just to the person who is the victim, but also the victim's service provider. It may change from Country to Country to some degree, but you can be assured anyone with enough money to be a service provider, also has enough money to have thier assets protected by the law.
Very bad idea to play the IP game.
sry i just deleted the is that came from an unawaken part of my brain. No english f1-f8
sry i just deleted the ''is'' that came from an unawaken part of my brain. No english f1-f8
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thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:33:00 -
[209]
Originally by: MacDuncan
Originally by: hybridundertaker
edited: i cant spell sry and feel free to flame me i deserve it bcs i admire bob warmachine but frankly they have allways been working on raising the bar in this game.
No, imho they lowered the standards consequently for all others with all their metagaming. And no, it's not that BoB really needed to, but they have choosen it also to do it freely to win EvE (whatever this may be).
So BOB suddenly invented spying?
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MacDuncan
Minmatar Unknown Society
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: MacDuncan
Originally by: hybridundertaker
edited: i cant spell sry and feel free to flame me i deserve it bcs i admire bob warmachine but frankly they have allways been working on raising the bar in this game.
No, imho they lowered the standards consequently for all others with all their metagaming. And no, it's not that BoB really needed to, but they have choosen it also to do it freely to win EvE (whatever this may be).
So BOB suddenly invented spying?
Do you really like to discuss the "who's 1st"-thingie?
Or perhaps you'd like to discuss the part of "consistently" (bad wording from my side in the post above, not native, sry)?
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