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Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:46:00 - [211] Originally by: Lori Carlyle Personaly I don't think any alliance would not do the same if there chance came up. EVE is a game. Unlike in real-world wars, the losses and victories are not measured in human lives or livelihoods, but in honour and prestige. in true war, the underhanded, sneaky tactics are the ones that save lives and bring about the most efficient victories with the minimum of death and suffering. That said, "Victory at any cost" is a mantra wholly at odds with the spirit of any game. When removed from the framework of true consequence - of death and territory - in-game wars should in theory become defined by honour and fair play. What we are instead seeing happen is people bringing the real world thinking of "We need to win, so we will stop at nothing to attain victory" into the game, thereby tainting it. This game is still populated by people who hold to the belief - whether consciously or subconsciously - that the fights and wars in this game should be fought with honour and unflinching respect for the enemy. The reason there is so much outcry over the destruction of this titan, I think, is because it was characterized by underhanded back-alley tactics and a total disregard for the spirit of fair play. In the real world, such a kill would be considered the skillful culmination of a well-worked plan. Nobody is denying that this titan kill took skill, daring, patience and precision to pull off - what's causing upset is the fact that it flies in the face of the spirit of the game. Nobody remembers the man who snuck up to the sleeping dragon and shot it in the head with a ballista. They remember the knight who went toe-to-toe with it while it was awake and bested it in a fair fight. Why? the latter is a more honourable kill, an epic victory. The former is disrespectful to the whole concept of dragon-slaying. And Titans are the Dragons of EVE. So yes, given a choice between assassinating a Titan behind the lines as happened here, or letting it live on, I'd definitely pass up the opportunity... and come back later to take it on in a straight fight. ***
THRASHER23 Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:54:00 - [212] This game is going right down the shT hole w/ all the politics and abuse of game mechanics. To lose a ship that requires such vast amout of isk and time in the manner it was lost is **'n crazy and ccp needs to address it. IMO that pilot should log on w/ a reimbursed titan in his hangar. If you have a problem w/ what im saying then let me remind you of all the free t2 sht bob has that just spawned in their hangars wtf is wrong w/ one highly questionable, highly debated titan kill reimbursement to even the tables a bit? I use to play this game ro releave stress; but the more I play bobonline the more aggrevated I get when I notice ccp's obtuse posture in handling this bs. :) I feel better now FOR DEATH AND GLORY!!!
Salda Smoke Hurricane	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:08:00 - [213] Originally by: THRASHER23 This game is going right down the shT hole w/ all the politics and abuse of game mechanics. To lose a ship that requires such vast amout of isk and time in the manner it was lost is **'n crazy and ccp needs to address it. IMO that pilot should log on w/ a reimbursed titan in his hangar. If you have a problem w/ what im saying then let me remind you of all the free t2 sht bob has that just spawned in their hangars wtf is wrong w/ one highly questionable, highly debated titan kill reimbursement to even the tables a bit? I use to play this game ro releave stress; but the more I play bobonline the more aggrevated I get when I notice ccp's obtuse posture in handling this bs. :) I feel better now So, what your saying is Lv should be allowed to have a massive fleet fight to deicde over their supposed titan loos?
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:14:00 - [214] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Adunh Slavy Very bad idea to play the IP game. You missed the point of that statement tbh.. it was a poke at d2's recent "anti-spy" methods, it has already happened My appologies -AS
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:15:00 - [215] Originally by: Salda Originally by: THRASHER23 This game is going right down the shT hole w/ all the politics and abuse of game mechanics. To lose a ship that requires such vast amout of isk and time in the manner it was lost is **'n crazy and ccp needs to address it. IMO that pilot should log on w/ a reimbursed titan in his hangar. If you have a problem w/ what im saying then let me remind you of all the free t2 sht bob has that just spawned in their hangars wtf is wrong w/ one highly questionable, highly debated titan kill reimbursement to even the tables a bit? I use to play this game ro releave stress; but the more I play bobonline the more aggrevated I get when I notice ccp's obtuse posture in handling this bs. :) I feel better now So, what your saying is Lv should be allowed to have a massive fleet fight to deicde over their supposed titan loos? Where, little forum alt, is LV mentioned anywhere in his post? Where is you integrety to post with your REAL main char instead of writing "-LV- Alt" in your bio? -- Might As well Train Another Race
Salda Smoke Hurricane	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:21:00 - [216] Edited by: Salda on 18/02/2007 12:18:20 Originally by: MacDuncan Originally by: Salda Originally by: THRASHER23 This game is going right down the shT hole w/ all the politics and abuse of game mechanics. To lose a ship that requires such vast amout of isk and time in the manner it was lost is **'n crazy and ccp needs to address it. IMO that pilot should log on w/ a reimbursed titan in his hangar. If you have a problem w/ what im saying then let me remind you of all the free t2 sht bob has that just spawned in their hangars wtf is wrong w/ one highly questionable, highly debated titan kill reimbursement to even the tables a bit? I use to play this game ro releave stress; but the more I play bobonline the more aggrevated I get when I notice ccp's obtuse posture in handling this bs. :) I feel better now So, what your saying is Lv should be allowed to have a massive fleet fight to deicde over their supposed titan loos? Where, little forum alt, is LV mentioned anywhere in his post? Where is you integrety to post with your REAL main char instead of writing "-LV- Alt" in your bio? Let me requote the part where LV's recent engagement is mentioned in this post. Originally by: MacDuncan Originally by: Salda Originally by: THRASHER23 This game is going right down the shT hole w/ all the politics and abuse of game mechanics. To lose a ship that requires such vast amout of isk and time in the manner it was lost is ***'n crazy and ccp needs to address it Your Welcome Salda
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:23:00 - [217] Thx...could be read in either way... Now move on to answer my 2nd question? -- Might As well Train Another Race
Salda Smoke Hurricane	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:30:00 - [218] Edited by: Salda on 18/02/2007 12:28:59 The second answer to your question is that Bob, LV, and many other fleet commands have decide that goons are the king of the forums. They reqruit forum *****s like no other, so why fight them? Why troll on with volumous LV posts about why we are right, when they will drag us down with their stupidity, and beat us with their experience. Somethingawful.com has certainly spawned something, and its alot of people that know how to troll We are not forum warriors, we never pretended to be as such
Trisha Banks	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:38:00 - [219] Edited by: Trisha Banks on 18/02/2007 12:35:18 wow, a rediculous ammount of hate in here tonight If you all think CCP are suchs hacks and cheats, why do you pay their rent? Join me in a boycot of CCP and play a real MMO
THRASHER23 Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:43:00 - [220] Originally by: Trisha Banks Edited by: Trisha Banks on 18/02/2007 12:35:18 wow, a rediculous ammount of hate in here tonight If you all think CCP are suchs hacks and cheats, why do you pay their rent? Join me in a boycot of CCP and play a real MMO LOL not a bad idea but idt its gonna happen since we have so much wraped up into this game. a boycot is never gonna happen and I'm sure ccp knows it, hence their nature of handling things:) This is a great game but it is being ruined. Ahhh well FIGHT ON! FOR DEATH AND GLORY!!!

S'Beech Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:44:00 - [221] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: hybridundertaker Btw is haxing ppl forums and checking ips is allright and a general good direction in eve, Hope you're not serious in this statement. This is a criminal offense. Not just to the person who is the victim, but also the victim's service provider. It may change from Country to Country to some degree, but you can be assured anyone with enough money to be a service provider, also has enough money to have thier assets protected by the law. Very bad idea to play the IP game. You missed the point of that statement tbh.. it was a poke at d2's recent "anti-spy" methods, it has already happened So ,how,exactly can you find out if you have a spy in your midst using 'ingame ' tools?Sure we have the tools to minimise their effects(POS management roles,hangar acess etc)but how can they be rooted out? CCP want spys and the like but they give us no way of tracking them down 'in game'.The balance is weighted firmly in favour of the spys 100%. The answer-Close all your doors and stop recruiting anybody you don't know.Abandon ALL new players and leave them in Empire. Keep allowing people to bend and break so called 'rules'.Keep allowing people to abuse and exploit game mechanics.Keep allowing Devs to pass down info on game mechanics/bugs to their alliances/corps. CCP made this 'Sand Box' and the Cat just did a whoopsy in it.Keep crapping in the 'Sand Box' and pretty soon their will be more **** than sand! I'm out of here.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:45:00 - [222] Originally by: Trisha Banks If you all think CCP are suchs hacks and cheats, why do you pay their rent? The EVE community would appear to largely be quite hyperbolic. Either that, or I have an unsuspected talent for understatement. Either way, the people posting here fall into two categories - the loud-mouthed, and the opinionated. (I'm in the latter category, btw) - neither of which are exactly prone to presenting unbiased, level-headed opinions. Personally, I don't much care about this situation any longer. The bonus to BoB was negligible (all this over five ammo BPOs?), the negative impact to the other alliances equally miniscule (they'd have had the ammo anyway) and the situation has been dealt with and apologized for. I certainly don't believe in holding the entire company accountable for the actions of one individual. But this is not a thread about that. My opinion on the matter of the Erebus kill is already noted - I believe it was dishonourable, and that honour is of paramount importance in the context of a game. I have nothing further to add. ***
Salda Smoke Hurricane	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:58:00 - [223] Edited by: Salda on 18/02/2007 12:55:10 Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Trisha Banks If you all think CCP are suchs hacks and cheats, why do you pay their rent? The EVE community would appear to largely be quite hyperbolic. Either that, or I have an unsuspected talent for understatement. Either way, the people posting here fall into two categories - the loud-mouthed, and the opinionated. (I'm in the latter category, btw) - neither of which are exactly prone to presenting unbiased, level-headed opinions.[/quote[ Well, obviously your right :) Personally, I don't much care about this situation any longer. The bonus to BoB was negligible (all this over five ammo BPOs?), the negative impact to the other alliances equally miniscule (they'd have had the ammo anyway) and the situation has been dealt with and apologized for. I certainly don't believe in holding the entire company accountable for the actions of one individual. But this is not a thread about that. Unfortunatly the BoD fanboys will continue to remind us that the developers gave red alliance inside information about complex spawn times, at the same time as they gave BoB inside information about passive targeters. We all must remember that RA and BoB are completely CCP sponsored Aliances(/end sarcasm) Salda
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:42:00 - [224] Originally by: S'Beech Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: hybridundertaker Btw is haxing ppl forums and checking ips is allright and a general good direction in eve, Hope you're not serious in this statement. This is a criminal offense. Not just to the person who is the victim, but also the victim's service provider. It may change from Country to Country to some degree, but you can be assured anyone with enough money to be a service provider, also has enough money to have thier assets protected by the law. Very bad idea to play the IP game. You missed the point of that statement tbh.. it was a poke at d2's recent "anti-spy" methods, it has already happened So ,how,exactly can you find out if you have a spy in your midst using 'ingame ' tools?Sure we have the tools to minimise their effects(POS management roles,hangar acess etc)but how can they be rooted out? CCP want spys and the like but they give us no way of tracking them down 'in game'.The balance is weighted firmly in favour of the spys 100%. The answer-Close all your doors and stop recruiting anybody you don't know.Abandon ALL new players and leave them in Empire. Keep allowing people to bend and break so called 'rules'.Keep allowing people to abuse and exploit game mechanics.Keep allowing Devs to pass down info on game mechanics/bugs to their alliances/corps. CCP made this 'Sand Box' and the Cat just did a whoopsy in it.Keep crapping in the 'Sand Box' and pretty soon their will be more **** than sand! I'm out of here. lovely rant.. your excuses dont change the facts, or the obviousness of all the anti-BOB ranting.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Guardian Angell Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.18 15:12:00 - [225] Edited by: Guardian Angell on 18/02/2007 15:11:29 Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Cassandra Bloom All games are software, all software is susceptible to abuse and various exploits. In EVE-PVP some people forget that the game is about fighting your enemy and kill him using your pilot skills, your better ship modules or your superior fleet commander tactics or even annoy him with your smacktard mouth :) People like BOB don't even care about the rules of engagement no more, BOB never goes for the fight and only cares of the unmanned ship kill and naturally because of them this game is becoming more like WHO'S THE BEST IN INFILTRATING THE OTHER ONE'S BASE with a noob AND DESTROY HIS ASSETS WITHOUT ACTUALLY FIGHTING. So basically we all should forget about the fittings and ships and crap or mining, trading and just start abusing people's trust and rot them from the inside so we can win EVE too: play the game, use exploits, but don't actually fight. Now trying hard not to mention the BOB t2 blueprint abuse episodes, I think CCP is not necessarily stupid, but rather out of their fukin mind. Who wants to play BOBONLINE is beyond me. Ever left empire? No? Ok, just checking. Not everyone is who it seems... I would abstain from such comments if I were you Wylker. I bet 200 mil that you'll pop like a cherry if meeting the guy you quoted. In other words, ppl like me or the one that posted the long quote above make these comments because we care about Eve and we see that it's going down the drain. It's a shame. Cassandra: /signed /Edit: Wylker, check my signature and think about it. o/ ________________ Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups - Under Siege 2
searchi tiberian suns	Posted - 2007.02.18 15:25:00 - [226] well stitcher. the 5 bpo are negligible to this all. what is not negible is the flow of informatiion on game mechanics, holes and how the server works. guesss why bob managed to slaughter hundreds of ascn ships dayly with no loss? because they handled the nodecrashes much better then ascfn did. that is just one example how superior information of server and mechanic makes u win wars. also they admitted only those things that were already known from the report of another player. who knows what is still going on? secondly vital informtion would surely not transfered in any provavble way but instead with out of game means like ts. nobody knows which information was and is transfered by such means.

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.18 15:32:00 - [227] If your character is in a NPC corp or isn't showing his corp/alliance then your post is nerfed. Regardless of what you wrote. See the rules ___ Email Us \| Forum Rules \| Our Website EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER



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