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Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Dianabolic on 18/02/2007 16:07:58 Battle Report: 2007.02.18 - ED-L9T On Friday and Saturday we fought D2, yesterday being understandably slower than the Friday night. So, today we felt a bit of a chance in scenery. BoB forces floated down to Querious to support our allies in Firmus Ixion, themselves feeling a gang-bang of numerically superior proportions from the forces of PURE, Razor, Morsus Mihi and IRON. These forces had been sieging ED- since the Friday and were looking to finish off some FIX towers this afternoon. What, you say? Dreads in the open? Too much fun not to miss. BoB forces coordinated with FIX and setup a jump portal from deep within Delve. As we watched hostile forces siege we bided our time and jumped in to ED-. As BoB forces entered the warzone we warped to our recon teams and engaged the sieging dreadnaughts, a total of 11 were sieging the tower. In the meantime FIX forces had also engaged and the hostile fleet had warped in to engage and scattered as they saw local climb and the titan enter the equation. As the hostile fleet bailed we brought in friendly dreadnaughts and started calling the primaries. Whilst support kept the hostile dreads scrambled our fleet worked its way down the target list the fleet went to work and our recon teams reported from the hostile POS. With our titan in grid the hostile fleet didn't have a chance to settle as we turned dreadnaught after dreadnaught in to loot. This paranoia allowed us to use the titan in its true form, as a weapon of terror and pyschological warfare. As the last dreads were dieing one managed to escape by jumping away, to join those that had run away earlier in the engagement. 6 confirmed dreads down. The fight then moved from the FIX pos to the station as BoB recon forces noticed a large bubble and medium support gang camp. As we came in to engage these forces they scattered, soon to be followed by the main hostile battleship force warping in to engage. As the battle raged hostile forces tried warping around the battlefield and repositioning themselves to gain the upperhand. This never materialised as, on the second repositioning they walked straight in to the Judgement. Unfortunately communications didn't enable all friendly forces to clear the area of effect and some friendly pilots ended up in pods. With the judgement detonated hostile forces seemed to take heart that they would not have to worry about it for an hour and came back in to engage, trying to pick off some seperated battleships. BoB recon forces once again showed their quality as the fleet immediately repositioned to engagement range and a good old fashioned slug fest commenced, with BoB forces joined part way through by two motherships and being supported by carriers the fight soon started going the way of the BoB... we held the field, the system remains hostile but the defenders have cut the attackers down at the knee. How far can you crawl, guys? Originally by: AngryCanuk You guys do know that a titan if split into ISK, and sold on ebay for 14 bucks per 150mill, could buy a a brand new toyota corolla? A BRAND NEW CAR IS WHAT THIS IS WORTH
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:11:00 - [2] Edited by: nickky01 on 18/02/2007 16:08:08 nice write up edit* not that its relevent, but when are you guys gonna fix the bob KB? ------------------------------------------- Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Oh and IAC's official response to ISS's offer is lollerskates.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:14:00 - [3] Coolios
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:15:00 - [4] Yay, now we get to recharge the POS shields in ospreys \o/ EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:16:00 - [5] Nice write up. Must better than "omg XXX just lost a titan threads" nickky01 their KB is back and working now (only in the last hour or so I think) or least is for me
Siva Calentis D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:17:00 - [6] Don't need legs to fly a spaceship. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The legend formally known as Naldo! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Nobues DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:17:00 - [7] Can we get some one to type up what really happen? Please..
CJ70 Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:18:00 - [8] Great write up was just awsome and very little lag too
ZaKma Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:18:00 - [9] Nice write up.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Nobues Can we get some one to type up what really happen? Please.. Um, ask your coalition for your side of the story?
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:20:00 - [11] A bit one-sided if you ask me ;) But nice with a longer report, and not the usaul one-liner spam people seem to enjoy starting posts with these days.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:20:00 - [12] A toyota corolla you say? I will keep the isk. Sounds like you had allot of fun --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
d4ve InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:21:00 - [13] nice trap, well executed. nice propaganda too. ___
Backdoor Bandit Minmatar Gay Rights League	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:21:00 - [14] Damn, I warned those Northerners not to get hit in the face when BoB threw in the towel. GG FIX. ----------- Don't click
MKeeper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Dianabolic How far can you crawl, guys? You're the only ones that have had to crawl home so far in this war I believe. Other than that, nice write up though you could have embellished a little on the DD which killed more BoB forces than your opponents.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:22:00 - [16] You again? Baah. How's LV doing? Yet to lose a major fleet battle? PS Corolla is a sh1t car -
Ghost Reaper Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:23:00 - [17] nice right up! keep it up fellas :) Gr
Rivers Kelak	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:23:00 - [18] I've got +3 Leg Implants.
Horb F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:23:00 - [19] Oh dear god you quoted AngryCanuk.
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:25:00 - [20] Nice report and made me laugh on some of the comments. ----------
NeverL Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:25:00 - [21] wa wa wi wa go go bobsie
George Petsch Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Dianabolic ... This paranoia allowed us to use the titan in its true form, as a weapon of terror and pyschological warfare ... yeah. esp. when shrike grilled like 20 BoB/FIX... you can't imagine the terror we felt, i mean he even got 2 (two) of us... next time i'll log off in my ibis to make things a bit more convenient for you. im in ur safespots pwning ur canz
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Dianabolic How far can you crawl, guys? Nice post until this bit. You idiots just cant help it, can you? Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Nobues Can we get some one to type up what really happen? Please.. Ask your alliance to write their side of the story here? I think the op wrote a good battle report. Yes, he writes that he likes the enemy being down and all. Of course, everything else would be strange! But it is smackfree, explains a bit what happened and all. And 6 dreads killed is worth some mentioning also. Would be good to have more reports written like that. But who will win the next round? "The next Titan will be a real kill", Sir Molle
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:29:00 - [25] Originally by: George Petsch Originally by: Dianabolic ... This paranoia allowed us to use the titan in its true form, as a weapon of terror and pyschological warfare ... yeah. esp. when shrike grilled like 20 BoB/FIX... you can't imagine the terror we felt, i mean he even got 2 (two) of us... Does this clown really have no clue that we don't really care about his titan? Terror? More like "hey the titan's here, let's make him waste a DD shot and then try to kill it!" The titan has been used to minimal effect. Your propaganda machine really is garbage. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Wizie Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:29:00 - [26] With the advantage of the titan and a large cap fleet on BOB/allies side along with the higher experience levels they have, I think they will be able to hold off much of the attacks against their space during these weekends. However, it will be interesting how the fight plays out during the other 5 days of the week, where the number advantage of the coalition comes to bear. IMO, LV space will be the first to go unless something drastic is done. BOB with its massive cap fleet along with the MC cap fleet should be able to hold its own however against the enemies. When/if the Goon/curse coalition with RA are free to engage them. Things might be different. I think the most important thing to watch for right now is... the fighting in LV space. ----------------- Sig removed by some noob
Why'dyou HitMe Minmatar The Reckoning	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Dianabolic How far can you crawl, guys? was a good report, till the Nice smack, then like everything you touch it turned to crap Arn't you banned yet, oh thats right... CCP... nevermind
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:32:00 - [28] Post amended to include Doomsday results. Originally by: AngryCanuk You guys do know that a titan if split into ISK, and sold on ebay for 14 bucks per 150mill, could buy a a brand new toyota corolla? A BRAND NEW CAR IS WHAT THIS IS WORTH
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:38:00 - [29] Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Catstraw	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:38:00 - [30] Nice, bob allowed to post now? Good report even though biased... //Cat
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Dianabolic We're still posting mails. I guess that will include your losses from e.g. yesterday? Nicely written... -- Might As well Train Another Race
NOObbody Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:41:00 - [32] Originally by: Catstraw Nice, bob allowed to post now? Good report even though biased... //Cat So lets all start cheating, since it obviously has no consequences.
D2O HeavyWater Amarr Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:42:00 - [33] It has indeed been a good weekend for ship builders. In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.
George Petsch Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:45:00 - [34] Originally by: Dianabolic Post amended to include Doomsday results. sorry to bust your bubble, but the numbers are wrong, either you can't count or your grunts are lying to you. or both. when we just warped back to the station, scooping the remains of your fleet, we saw how many of you guys died to shrike, sad tbh. im in ur safespots pwning ur canz
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:46:00 - [35] Edited by: Fred0 on 18/02/2007 16:43:48 Originally by: Dianabolic How far can you crawl, guys? Just one more region to go. I don't mind if we crawl the last bit. Oh and lmao at your figures, lying to your troops now to keep up morale? The longer you babysit your allies against the weakest piece against you. The better it looks. Tick tock.
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:46:00 - [36] If the DD only killed 3 BoB/FIX, who were all the red pods at the station after the DD was fired?
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:46:00 - [37] From my viewpoint of the siege, as a battleship pilot. We started warping our battleship fleet onto the POS in question for at least half an hour before the BoB Avatar turned up. Problem was that we experienced awful lag, each pilot taking 20-60 seconds to load once they had come out of warp at the POS. By that time the POS guns would cycle, away from the dreads and onto us. By the time the Avatar jumped in, the lag situation was only worsened. Shreike (sp?) did an excellent job of acting as a deterrent to our support. But again, we spent half an hour being gang warped into and out of the POS with no time at all to activate weapons or mods. As soon as I'd appear (after 30s or so) the Avatar would uncloak and we'd be ordered back into warp. So I salute you for taking down the dreads, but as I say, both the Avatars presence and lag prevented us from doing much. The bubbles on the station was a pretty similar story. We'd held it for most of the day and had to abandon them due to the fleet warping in on our unprepared support. By the time we managed to warp a battleship fleet to a decent spot away from the bubbles, BoB had maanged to get their Avatar in place (I suspect the FIX pilots were the ones caught in the bubble.) 30 seconds stuck in warp, I get the screaming order to get to a safe. Click warp just as the DD burst appears, enter warp and having my ship taken to 10% structure by the DD device. Come out of warp at friendly POS, happily chatting away for over a minute, then boom, my ship explodes at a friendly POS. Lag 4tw! What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Myadra Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:51:00 - [38] Sounds like some heavy fighting, but i think the fightings just getting started. so many fronts in this large scale war.. .
Golden Ass Science and Discovery Inc	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:52:00 - [39] Arnt you meant to be fighting the Goons????
geewiz InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:52:00 - [40] Originally by: CJ70 Great write up was just awsome and very little lag too LOL just lol, ships aligning to POS being sieged...this is how I saw it from the our side:- 1) FC does gang warp, 2) Whole gang watches FC warp on his own, on TS he says "Hey guys why you not warping with me?" 3) ....30 seconds later, every1 else warps due to lag 4) slide show attempting to align and screen to load, well the rest is history in the main as Diana typed it although he's spinned it a little more than it happened IMO, for example not mentioning the DD that wiped a pile of BoB friendlies out No need for the smack also in OP but guess this was to be expected from the OP being the spinmaster he is Oh and finally one smartass plays music at full volume on first warp-in to POS just as FC starts calling names out, classy real classy gee
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Dianabolic Edited by: Dianabolic on 18/02/2007 16:31:42 How far can you crawl, guys? all the way to bob space once were finished with fix
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.18 16:57:00 - [42] Decent write up I guess. But, these question remain: How long will you continue to bail out FIX? Will you turn your backs on them as you have LV? Do you think this will make any difference in the long run?
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:13:00 - [43] And the AntiBoB-Brigade are already foaming at the mouth ----------------------------------------------- http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4317/creditcard22es4.jpg Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Iva Soreass And the AntiBoB-Brigade are already foaming at the mouth And the fanbois are all cheering with 'good writeup'. Can we please stop this flaming crap now? Diana wrote a nice BOB point of view battlereport, and a few D2/IRON people replied with their view on the report.
Shizuko Caldari E X O D U S	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:21:00 - [45] Sirmolle: This paranoia will allow us to use the titan in its true form, as a weapon of terror and pyschological warfare. Sirmolle: FIRE! MAWAHAHA! Sirmolle: Awww **** i just fried half our fleet. Terrible write up, try not to contradict yourself to much. Dont think a titans "true form" is to kill its own allies.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:30:00 - [46] Quote: So I salute you for taking down the dreads, but as I say, both the Avatars presence and lag prevented us from doing much. 2 Avatars? Also D2 you shouldnt talk about cheating (glass houses and all) As the AAA guy said leave the smack coz at the moment that's all these forums are these days
F Apparition Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:31:00 - [47] "Unfortunately communications didn't enable all friendly forces to clear the area of effect and some friendly pilots ended up in pods." Best bit. Originally by: Lasus If EVE gave you oral sex every time you used it people would still complain.
Weatherman Gallente Xoth Inc	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:32:00 - [48] Quote: How long will you continue to bail out FIX? It's funny to me how when BOB comes to help FIX we're getting "bailed out", but when it takes 4-5 or however many alliances to siege ed-, what's that? Allies help allies out--if you're a pot don't call the kettle black.
Srbin Dominator 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:33:00 - [49] Edited by: Srbin Dominator on 18/02/2007 17:30:30 Edited by: Srbin Dominator on 18/02/2007 17:29:21 >>Battle Reports - Index - Last Update 18/02/2007 Some things seems to be forgotten in this repport : BOB/FIX : lost one Large Tower (including a lot of goodies that they didn't manager to move from their killed pos) + 3 towers went to re-inforcemode....next to this yes they lost good numbers of ships ...from our fire.....but also from their own DD.... number in that battle report (kills from DD are not correct, enemy loose far more from their own DD, but that is a side not only ofc Tick-Tock......Tik-Tok
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Quote: So I salute you for taking down the dreads, but as I say, both the Avatars presence and lag prevented us from doing much. 2 Avatars? Think that was both (avatar and lag) not (both avatars) and lag.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Traxio Nacho Quote: So I salute you for taking down the dreads, but as I say, both the Avatars presence and lag prevented us from doing much. 2 Avatars? Think that was both (avatar and lag) not (both avatars) and lag. Ah lol heehee
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:35:00 - [52] 1 Avatar + Lag. Amusing to see latest kill report shows more friendlies killed than hostiles What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:37:00 - [53] Spin it how you want Diana, ED- is lost, and you know it. You're just delaying the inevitable. Querious is lost, it's only a matter of days. What about Fountain? ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:37:00 - [54] So BOB and LV have both resorted to doomsdaying their own fleets now? Desperate times....
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Also D2 you shouldnt talk about cheating (glass houses and all) What are you talking about? --------------------------------
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:43:00 - [56] We only lost a few coughover half the total killscough ships to our own doomsday Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Nathin Ames Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:46:00 - [57] you know an Avatar looks this big [-------------------------------------------------------] from a rifter.... loved that fight.
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:49:00 - [58] Nice post. Keep the good news coming. Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Sorja Spin it how you want Diana, ED- is lost, and you know it. You're just delaying the inevitable. Querious is lost, it's only a matter of days. What about Fountain? Fountain is ours. We're on Delves doorstep. But there's nothing here. I envy you guys -omg-
Won Swunglow Dead By Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:02:00 - [60] Still dont no why you arent banned, but meh its only a game... Carry on.
Divine Misconception	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Why'dyou HitMe Originally by: Dianabolic How far can you crawl, guys? was a good report, till the Nice smack, then like everything you touch it turned to crap Arn't you banned yet, oh thats right... CCP... nevermind Only BoB smack. LOL. Link to 6000 diffrent CA smack posts. -------------------------------- Coke Habit.
Ziu Wraith Recondite	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:07:00 - [62] Entertaining in so many ways. -- [WREC] is recruiting.
Jake Noble Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:08:00 - [63] Edited by: Jake Noble on 18/02/2007 19:06:06 Edited by: Jake Noble on 18/02/2007 19:05:30 Emmm price of 6 dreads = 1.8b roughly each = 10.8b, loss from DD and the towers in ED- maybe 4-5b? I know the loss of the belts in Jita have hit you hard its about time you went back to mining for more battleships as you dont appear to be able to fly capital ships.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Divine Misconception Originally by: Why'dyou HitMe Originally by: Dianabolic How far can you crawl, guys? was a good report, till the Nice smack, then like everything you touch it turned to crap Arn't you banned yet, oh thats right... CCP... nevermind Only BoB smack. LOL. Link to 6000 diffrent CA smack posts. Post with your main or STFU Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
LeviUK hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Jake Noble Edited by: Jake Noble on 18/02/2007 19:06:06 Edited by: Jake Noble on 18/02/2007 19:05:30 Emmm price of 6 dreads = 1.8b roughly each = 10.8b, loss from DD and the towers in ED- maybe 4-5b? I know the loss of the belts in Jita have hit you hard its about time you went back to mining for more battleships as you dont appear to be able to fly capital ships. 1/10 even after the edits. -
Adril Alatar Minmatar Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Traxio Nacho Also D2 you shouldnt talk about cheating (glass houses and all) What are you talking about? eve-o.de forums, ip adresses, d2 forums should ring a bell here
Captain Hudson Caldari Rogue Arrow Galactic Empire O X I D E	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:16:00 - [67] we only going to get battle reports of when you win? Originally by: SPQRMocton We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
Muzzh	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:19:00 - [68] Edited by: Muzzh on 18/02/2007 19:15:31 Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Traxio Nacho Also D2 you shouldnt talk about cheating (glass houses and all) What are you talking about? eve-o.de forums, ip adresses, d2 forums should ring a bell here u compare cheating to collecting freely avaiable data to find a spy who was even on a D2 corp rl meeting? IP's can be found anywhere and are for sure nothing private. D2 just tried to catch spies to prevent such things like that with the Titan and now thats wrong? Lol... some ppl talk without having any clue.
Adril Alatar Minmatar Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:23:00 - [69] Originally by: Muzzh Edited by: Muzzh on 18/02/2007 19:15:31 Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Traxio Nacho Also D2 you shouldnt talk about cheating (glass houses and all) What are you talking about? eve-o.de forums, ip adresses, d2 forums should ring a bell here u compare cheating to collecting freely avaiable data to find a spy who was even on a D2 corp rl meeting? IP's can be found anywhere and are for sure nothing private. D2 just tried to catch spies to prevent such things like that with the Titan and now thats wrong? Lol... some ppl talk without having any clue. according to the german data security act ip-adresses are private informations. when the eve-o admin gave it to D2 he broke german law. So yes i call this cheating.
Tyleritus adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:27:00 - [70] GOGO BOB Adeptus Gattacus Are Recruiting
Muzzh	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:30:00 - [71] Edited by: Muzzh on 18/02/2007 19:28:00 Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Muzzh Edited by: Muzzh on 18/02/2007 19:15:31 Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Traxio Nacho Also D2 you shouldnt talk about cheating (glass houses and all) What are you talking about? eve-o.de forums, ip adresses, d2 forums should ring a bell here u compare cheating to collecting freely avaiable data to find a spy who was even on a D2 corp rl meeting? IP's can be found anywhere and are for sure nothing private. D2 just tried to catch spies to prevent such things like that with the Titan and now thats wrong? Lol... some ppl talk without having any clue. according to the german data security act ip-adresses are private informations. when the eve-o admin gave it to D2 he broke german law. So yes i call this cheating. thats simply not true. For one thing, most IP addresses arent even static and secondly u dont "own" a ip adress. Its like saying that your phone number is private while its written in every telephone book or that its forbidden to give someones phone adress to a 3rd person.
Hindgrinder Jr Minmatar Eve Game Card Co	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:30:00 - [72] Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Muzzh Edited by: Muzzh on 18/02/2007 19:15:31 Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Traxio Nacho Also D2 you shouldnt talk about cheating (glass houses and all) What are you talking about? eve-o.de forums, ip adresses, d2 forums should ring a bell here u compare cheating to collecting freely avaiable data to find a spy who was even on a D2 corp rl meeting? IP's can be found anywhere and are for sure nothing private. D2 just tried to catch spies to prevent such things like that with the Titan and now thats wrong? Lol... some ppl talk without having any clue. according to the german data security act ip-adresses are private informations. when the eve-o admin gave it to D2 he broke german law. So yes i call this cheating. Does the german gov have a giant proxy server for all german isp's? There is no such thing as a "private internet IP" - the closest you can get is the 192 past your router. CH
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:31:00 - [73] Originally by: Muzzh Edited by: Muzzh on 18/02/2007 19:15:31 Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Traxio Nacho Also D2 you shouldnt talk about cheating (glass houses and all) What are you talking about? eve-o.de forums, ip adresses, d2 forums should ring a bell here u compare cheating to collecting freely avaiable data to find a spy who was even on a D2 corp rl meeting? IP's can be found anywhere and are for sure nothing private. D2 just tried to catch spies to prevent such things like that with the Titan and now thats wrong? Lol... some ppl talk without having any clue. Post with your main, or don't post at all. But I believe you are correct in your assumptions. -
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Muzzh Edited by: Muzzh on 18/02/2007 19:15:31 Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Traxio Nacho Also D2 you shouldnt talk about cheating (glass houses and all) What are you talking about? eve-o.de forums, ip adresses, d2 forums should ring a bell here u compare cheating to collecting freely avaiable data to find a spy who was even on a D2 corp rl meeting? IP's can be found anywhere and are for sure nothing private. D2 just tried to catch spies to prevent such things like that with the Titan and now thats wrong? Lol... some ppl talk without having any clue. according to the german data security act ip-adresses are private informations. when the eve-o admin gave it to D2 he broke german law. So yes i call this cheating. Noone from eve-o gave away any IPs, get your facts straight first. -
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:32:00 - [75] Originally by: Adril Alatar according to the german data security act ip-adresses are private informations. when the eve-o admin gave it to D2 he broke german law. So yes i call this cheating. Unless eve-o admin is not in Germany or D2 is not in Germany. Not every country has the same law. And of course German law do not treat IPs as private information because it would be stupid. This information must be public to allow comunication between computers. What they protect is not IP address but connection between address and names of people. As far as I know (I get only some info from forums so I may be wrong) D2 did not get names of people. They just compared two sets of IP adresses. From law point of view there is nothing wrong with it. Of course it's some kind of metagaming but using forums by spies also is.
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:39:00 - [76] Originally by: Adril Alatar according to the german data security act ip-adresses are private informations. when the eve-o admin gave it to D2 he broke german law. So yes i call this cheating. At best this view od the german laws is what is best described with "consolidated smattering"..."fundiertes Halbwissen" in german and is much more dangerous than anything else...go figuring... -- Might As well Train Another Race
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:41:00 - [77] Originally by: Tyleritus GOGO BOB They have, they went to help FIX.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:47:00 - [78] I luve these battle reports. Keep em comming! Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Kalissa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:53:00 - [79] Well, that was a fairly accurate description of what happened upto a point I suppose, about as accurate as the poster I can manage. I was one of the dreads that managed to jump to safety. Lag at the POS for us wasn't very bad at all to be honest, probably because everything was already loaded, but the support fleet that tried to come in to help us was suffering excuciating lag on warp in. Although it was a bad result for coalition forces it wont change whats going to happen in ED- that system will fall, sooner or later it's almost constantly camped by coalition forces and all attacks by Fix are repelled with ease. Yes BoB can throw a spanner in the works but they have to bring along a titan to do it but thankfully with Shrike at the helm he toasts more of his own than of us How far can we crawl? We dont have to, we're already where we want to be
Electric Cucumber Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:59:00 - [80] How long will BOB be able to run from fountain to detorid going through querious each time without tripping up while the coalition crawls into delve?
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.18 20:19:00 - [81] Shhhhhh youre not supposed to be telling anybody this!! You were sworn to absolute secrecy!!!!!
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 20:49:00 - [82] Originally by: Weatherman Quote: How long will you continue to bail out FIX? It's funny to me how when BOB comes to help FIX we're getting "bailed out", but when it takes 4-5 or however many alliances to siege ed-, what's that? Allies help allies out--if you're a pot don't call the kettle black. Holy crap. Dont ever pretend that bob see you as equals. You are slaves and they will ditch you soon enough. I got back into high sec to go to bed just as i heard our cap ships were in trouble, i jumped in a ECM cruiser and rushed back to ED- just to get lagged out continually... there was no lag regarding the BoB cap spam yesterday, all 4 motherships, titan and 8 carriers +100 or so support loaded just fine, but today it was just lag wars, im suprised anyone survived the DD at station, the only people that died are the ones who's wing commanders didnt load in time to warp them the hell out. I avoided the DD but died to bob support later on, was a good fight other than the epic lag... Im sure this will all be a great morale boost to fix, enjoy it, but remember, if your clone costs more than your ship... you're doing it wrong.
Aluresta Gallente Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 20:57:00 - [83] Originally by: Wizie With the advantage of the titan and a large cap fleet on BOB/allies side along with the higher experience levels they have..... ........................ BOB with its massive cap fleet along with the MC cap fleet should be able to hold its own however against the enemies. Given the recent (rather disappointing) revelations () concerning some "help from inside" to a certain BoB corp, I am starting to wonder how this "Massive Cap" Fleet was funded and supported... Because to be honest, I could understand a Big Cap Fleet for an alliance as big and old as BoB...but a MASSIVE cap fleet???? (and the MC cap fleet isnt counted towards this Massiveness ....) And for those questioning the legality of showing your IP, try this: Show Me Your IP Anyway, I only wish that this conflict will end well for our side and that every one will have fun and play fair so that EVERY ONE will have fun... [center] http://www.geocities.com/eveaccnt/cargo_scanner_T3.jpg
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:00:00 - [84] Originally by: Aluresta And for those questioning the legality of showing your IP, try this: Show Me Your IP Dont worry about them, theyre just not very brainly and dont know how the intermaweb works
Findail Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:04:00 - [85] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Aluresta And for those questioning the legality of showing your IP, try this: Show Me Your IP Dont worry about them, theyre just not very brainly and dont know how the intermaweb works So who releases server logs without a search warrant? Noone that doesn't want to run afoul of existing privacy laws....
Aluresta Gallente Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:05:00 - [86]
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Weatherman Quote: How long will you continue to bail out FIX? It's funny to me how when BOB comes to help FIX we're getting "bailed out", but when it takes 4-5 or however many alliances to siege ed-, what's that? Allies help allies out--if you're a pot don't call the kettle black. Why not? Pots are silver. The Allying is a beautiful thing, its like a marriage, a coming together of 2 souls to unit into the one... Whereas the fix situation is kinda like... A Rabid dog that needs to be put down, but some 2yo finds it cute, so daddy saves said rabid dog from the dogcatcher. Eventually however, the dog does die.
Inflexible Shokei	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:20:00 - [88] Originally by: Aluresta And for those questioning the legality of showing your IP, try this: Show Me Your IP Link between IP and some identity is not easily obtainable informatin and is protected by law. If it is easily obtainable, can you please tell me my IP?
Weatherman Gallente Xoth Inc	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:21:00 - [89] Quote: Why not? Pots are silver. The Allying is a beautiful thing, its like a marriage, a coming together of 2 souls to unit into the one... Whereas the fix situation is kinda like... A Rabid dog that needs to be put down, but some 2yo finds it cute, so daddy saves said rabid dog from the dogcatcher. Eventually however, the dog does die. If that metaphor helps you come to terms with the fact that you needed so many alliances to invade Q, then by all means embrace it. But even tho your words may be insulting, your actions are in fact a complement. So....thanks.
Aluresta Gallente Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:37:00 - [90] Originally by: Weatherman If that metaphor helps you come to terms with the fact that you needed so many alliances to invade Q, then by all means embrace it. But even tho your words may be insulting, your actions are in fact a complement. So....thanks. Then, answer me this: How come some many alliance need to Gang up to invade Q and still DONT have the MASSIVE CAP Fleet firepower to face BoB alone?? Maybe BoB obtained some info (and not only info.... ) in a not so "legitimate" fashion??? I think this is the main question lots of players have been asking those 3 years I am playing this game...how come BoB always is one step ahead of ALL the others??? OK they play from early ALPHA...so what? I am p(l)aying for 3 years and the least I ask is fair play and fair treatment to ALL players...
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:52:00 - [91] Originally by: Aluresta I think this is the main question lots of players have been asking those 3 years I am playing this game...how come BoB always is one step ahead of ALL the others??? OK they play from early ALPHA...so what? I am p(l)aying for 3 years and the least I ask is fair play and fair treatment to ALL players... I would tell you, but unfortunately I have been sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP.
Ivo D Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:52:00 - [92] Edited by: Ivo D on 18/02/2007 21:50:07 nvm ;) evil thug changed his sig and i dont like it anymore :\|
trk4 Amarr Freeform Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:53:00 - [93] Originally by: Aluresta Then, answer me this: How come some many alliance need to Gang up to invade Q and still DONT have the MASSIVE CAP Fleet firepower to face BoB alone?? Maybe BoB obtained some info (and not only info.... ) in a not so "legitimate" fashion??? I think this is the main question lots of players have been asking those 3 years I am playing this game...how come BoB always is one step ahead of ALL the others??? OK they play from early ALPHA...so what? I am p(l)aying for 3 years and the least I ask is fair play and fair treatment to ALL players... Superior strategy comes to mind. Spys, alts and longterm intel gathering has been a key factor. The fact that BOB have an alt etc in every alliance (so far), is the Coalitions problem. Nice write up DB, looking forward to the next one. Btw to the Coalition, if you were playing the game and not waiting for something to flame here on the forums you might not be getting made a fool out of. Just an idea.
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:03:00 - [94] How did this topic go from being a battlefield report to absolute drivel? Diana posted his biased view of the fight, and D2/IRON posted their views, which was somewhat different, but gave people the option to make up their own minds. Can't we all just stop this constant flaming and accusing? It's getting a bit old, and doesn't really belong in the battlefield reports threads.
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:04:00 - [95] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Aluresta I think this is the main question lots of players have been asking those 3 years I am playing this game...how come BoB always is one step ahead of ALL the others??? OK they play from early ALPHA...so what? I am p(l)aying for 3 years and the least I ask is fair play and fair treatment to ALL players... I would tell you, but unfortunately I have been sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP. That quote is win. Signature removed as it fails to comply with the rules. Also, please think of the epileptics :) -Ivan K
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:04:00 - [96] Edited by: w0rmy on 18/02/2007 22:01:21 nvm frygok is right I had a different sig here, but it made fun of BoB and apparently thats against the rules!
trk4 Amarr Freeform Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:09:00 - [97] Originally by: Frygok How did this topic go from being a battlefield report to absolute drivel? Diana posted his biased view of the fight, and D2/IRON posted their views, which was somewhat different, but gave people the option to make up their own minds. Can't we all just stop this constant flaming and accusing? It's getting a bit old, and doesn't really belong in the battlefield reports threads. Signed, get over it people. w0rmy, what did you have for morning tea?
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:14:00 - [98] Originally by: trk4 w0rmy, what did you have for morning tea? I was gonna have a nice big 'Cup o BoB Credibility' but unfortunately that box is now empty I had a different sig here, but it made fun of BoB and apparently thats against the rules!
Entilzah Valen 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:15:00 - [99] Originally by: Aluresta Then, answer me this: How come some many alliance need to Gang up to invade Q and still DONT have the MASSIVE CAP Fleet firepower to face BoB alone?? Because your inadequate. That is the simplest way of explaining it. You should have taken the blue pill.
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:20:00 - [100] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Muzzh Edited by: Muzzh on 18/02/2007 19:15:31 Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Traxio Nacho Also D2 you shouldnt talk about cheating (glass houses and all) What are you talking about? eve-o.de forums, ip adresses, d2 forums should ring a bell here u compare cheating to collecting freely avaiable data to find a spy who was even on a D2 corp rl meeting? IP's can be found anywhere and are for sure nothing private. D2 just tried to catch spies to prevent such things like that with the Titan and now thats wrong? Lol... some ppl talk without having any clue. according to the german data security act ip-adresses are private informations. when the eve-o admin gave it to D2 he broke german law. So yes i call this cheating. Noone from eve-o gave away any IPs, get your facts straight first. Its all fun and games till your corp/alliance forum is comprimised and your account hacked. You want to use spies in a corp fair game. You start hacking people's IP's to get information... no longer a game and you crossed the RL line. Also not just Germany where hacking ip's is illegal, I believe it is most countries. Back on topic - Nice job BoB. I have seen these type of victories before. Any allied attack will only succede with proper cordination. You out blob your opponent at the right time you usually win. BoB will take allot more than 11 dreads if you hope to defeat them. If the war continues without planned ops from all opposing sides to BoB they will pick everyone off one at a time.
trk4 Amarr Freeform Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:20:00 - [101] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: trk4 w0rmy, what did you have for morning tea? I was gonna have a nice big 'Cup o BoB Credibility' but unfortunately that box is now empty Dont have a big cup, not good for the wasteline and its not a sunnyday to be outside walking it off.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:32:00 - [102] Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 18/02/2007 22:29:22 walking always makes me want to ****. But yeah, this shouldn't descend into every other argument, else CCP will just unsticky the sticky and then noone will have an idea of what's going on. People should just bear in mind that these battle reports are as much propoganda than anything else. Take the OP with a pinch of salt, let the other side respond. In this particular battle, noone denies that we lost 6 dreads due to insufficient support. The main pproblem on our side was due to lag. Props to BoB for the damage they caused us. Let's keep the long term analysis to those other threads. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:34:00 - [103] Originally by: Krystian You start hacking people's IP's to get information... no longer a game and you crossed the RL line. Also not just Germany where hacking ip's is illegal, I believe it is most countries. You people are suffering from nothing more than a severe case of packet paranoia. Packet Paranoia is when nubs suddenly turn into engineers and say "OMGWTF Your DNS servers are trying to hax0r me!!!! If youre going to pretend you know what yopure talking about, atleast try and get terminology correct. I had a different sig here, but it made fun of BoB and apparently thats against the rules!
Sae Marr Amarr 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:38:00 - [104] Thanks for the report, with your kb being a little broken it's difficult to see what's happening. -
Therem Harth DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:42:00 - [105] Mr. Dianabolic should take lessons from Seleene, whose battle reports might have a healthy dose of cheekiness in them sometimes, but nowhere the level of hairy chestbeating to be found in the OP. We already know you're BoB, it says so to the left of your post, ok? Next battle report, just stick with the descriptive part, we will all be so much happier, less drool to clean off to get to the actual interesting battle report meat. And as to the undying omgwtfcheats topic, let me add some variety in the paranoia by translating a funny question I found elsewhere - exactly how long will it take for the Delve plexes to start dropping crap loot usually found in the other regions? --
Therem Harth DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:42:00 - [106] Mr. Dianabolic should take lessons from Seleene, whose battle reports might have a healthy dose of cheekiness in them sometimes, but nowhere the level of hairy chestbeating to be found in the OP. We already know you're BoB, it says so to the left of your post, ok? Next battle report, just stick with the descriptive part, we will all be so much happier, less drool to clean off to get to the actual interesting battle report meat. And as to the undying omgwtfcheats topic, let me add some variety in the paranoia by translating a funny question I found elsewhere - exactly how long will it take for the Delve plexes to start dropping crap loot usually found in the other regions? --
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:45:00 - [107] I am not aware of German law, so I cannot comment on that specifically. However, a lot of sites record IP addresses and use them for other purposes. Look at sites which try and guess where you are in the world, based upon your IP for example. Just because a law says the site should do something, it's mostly irrelevant I am afraid. eg. Just because a site uses HTTPS, it doesn't mean that site isn't just recording your credit card details to make public elsewhere. Now, can we please get back to original topic? What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:45:00 - [108] I am not aware of German law, so I cannot comment on that specifically. However, a lot of sites record IP addresses and use them for other purposes. Look at sites which try and guess where you are in the world, based upon your IP for example. Just because a law says the site should do something, it's mostly irrelevant I am afraid. eg. Just because a site uses HTTPS, it doesn't mean that site isn't just recording your credit card details to make public elsewhere. Now, can we please get back to original topic? What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:46:00 - [109] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Krystian You start hacking people's IP's to get information... no longer a game and you crossed the RL line. Also not just Germany where hacking ip's is illegal, I believe it is most countries. You people are suffering from nothing more than a severe case of packet paranoia. Packet Paranoia is when nubs suddenly turn into engineers and say "OMGWTF Your DNS servers are trying to hax0r me!!!! If youre going to pretend you know what yopure talking about, atleast try and get terminology correct. Not even worth a real response. Down playing something you feel guilty of is all that I see. Sad and disturbing.
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:46:00 - [110] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Krystian You start hacking people's IP's to get information... no longer a game and you crossed the RL line. Also not just Germany where hacking ip's is illegal, I believe it is most countries. You people are suffering from nothing more than a severe case of packet paranoia. Packet Paranoia is when nubs suddenly turn into engineers and say "OMGWTF Your DNS servers are trying to hax0r me!!!! If youre going to pretend you know what yopure talking about, atleast try and get terminology correct. Not even worth a real response. Down playing something you feel guilty of is all that I see. Sad and disturbing.
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:47:00 - [111] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Krystian You start hacking people's IP's to get information... no longer a game and you crossed the RL line. Also not just Germany where hacking ip's is illegal, I believe it is most countries. You people are suffering from nothing more than a severe case of packet paranoia. Packet Paranoia is when nubs suddenly turn into engineers and say "OMGWTF Your DNS servers are trying to hax0r me!!!! If youre going to pretend you know what yopure talking about, atleast try and get terminology correct. I do think your missing some info, and the point of D2 cheating allegations.. Eve-online.de was (may still be) registered as an official Fan site, owned and operated by CCP. D2 somehow got lists of IP's from anyone who was in BoB and cross compared them to thier forums to find the spy. So in essence they used an Official CCP site (therefore having to abide by the official ccp Privacy policy, which does imply IP's were not to be given out) and an Official CCP contact and used Out of Game methods to find In-game spies. Abusing a CCP official website to benefit yourself is cheating as much as abusing ANY information BoB may have gotten from CCP, because its the SAME thing, its all Information given to people from Official CCP sources. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:47:00 - [112] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Krystian You start hacking people's IP's to get information... no longer a game and you crossed the RL line. Also not just Germany where hacking ip's is illegal, I believe it is most countries. You people are suffering from nothing more than a severe case of packet paranoia. Packet Paranoia is when nubs suddenly turn into engineers and say "OMGWTF Your DNS servers are trying to hax0r me!!!! If youre going to pretend you know what yopure talking about, atleast try and get terminology correct. I do think your missing some info, and the point of D2 cheating allegations.. Eve-online.de was (may still be) registered as an official Fan site, owned and operated by CCP. D2 somehow got lists of IP's from anyone who was in BoB and cross compared them to thier forums to find the spy. So in essence they used an Official CCP site (therefore having to abide by the official ccp Privacy policy, which does imply IP's were not to be given out) and an Official CCP contact and used Out of Game methods to find In-game spies. Abusing a CCP official website to benefit yourself is cheating as much as abusing ANY information BoB may have gotten from CCP, because its the SAME thing, its all Information given to people from Official CCP sources. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Bobbechk Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:52:00 - [113] Edited by: Bobbechk on 18/02/2007 22:49:52 Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Krystian You start hacking people's IP's to get information... no longer a game and you crossed the RL line. Also not just Germany where hacking ip's is illegal, I believe it is most countries. You people are suffering from nothing more than a severe case of packet paranoia. Packet Paranoia is when nubs suddenly turn into engineers and say "OMGWTF Your DNS servers are trying to hax0r me!!!! If youre going to pretend you know what yopure talking about, atleast try and get terminology correct. I do think your missing some info, and the point of D2 cheating allegations.. Eve-online.de was (may still be) registered as an official Fan site, owned and operated by CCP. D2 somehow got lists of IP's from anyone who was in BoB and cross compared them to thier forums to find the spy. So in essence they used an Official CCP site (therefore having to abide by the official ccp Privacy policy, which does imply IP's were not to be given out) and an Official CCP contact and used Out of Game methods to find In-game spies. Abusing a CCP official website to benefit yourself is cheating as much as abusing ANY information BoB may have gotten from CCP, because its the SAME thing, its all Information given to people from Official CCP sources. LOOL _not_ just read that urself 2 times and see the lack of logic... your saying getting various imfo from CCP is ok but smoking out spies isnt? OK
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:55:00 - [114] Originally by: Popsikle Abusing a CCP official website to benefit yourself is cheating as much as abusing ANY information BoB may have gotten from CCP, because its the SAME thing, its all Information given to people from Official CCP sources. eve-online.de has at no point in time been a CCP official EVE website, there are several Dev/ISD posts in this forum to confirm this, if you could be bothered to look.
Therem Harth DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:00:00 - [115] Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Krystian You start hacking people's IP's to get information... no longer a game and you crossed the RL line. Also not just Germany where hacking ip's is illegal, I believe it is most countries. You people are suffering from nothing more than a severe case of packet paranoia. Packet Paranoia is when nubs suddenly turn into engineers and say "OMGWTF Your DNS servers are trying to hax0r me!!!! If youre going to pretend you know what yopure talking about, atleast try and get terminology correct. I do think your missing some info, and the point of D2 cheating allegations.. Eve-online.de was (may still be) registered as an official Fan site, owned and operated by CCP. D2 somehow got lists of IP's from anyone who was in BoB and cross compared them to thier forums to find the spy. So in essence they used an Official CCP site (therefore having to abide by the official ccp Privacy policy, which does imply IP's were not to be given out) and an Official CCP contact and used Out of Game methods to find In-game spies. Abusing a CCP official website to benefit yourself is cheating as much as abusing ANY information BoB may have gotten from CCP, because its the SAME thing, its all Information given to people from Official CCP sources. I'm afraid you are confusing many things, in a case of what w0rmy rightfully calls the packet paranoia. Most importantly, you are confusing domain registration ownership with an imaginary "official fansite status". I do not know the exact story of why eve-online.de domain is registered to CCP. Most likely it was done (domain registration transferred) by the original fan site creators in a friendly gesture. Moreover, it's irrelevant. Rights to the domain name are in no way connected to the actual hosting of the domain or operating any of services on it. And forum admin can see all of the IPs of the posters (and it's a necessary feature to weed out all the spammers etc). Forum admin, not being a CCP employee, is not bound by anything unless he signed a specific written contract enumerating what he can and cannot do. Even if he would, as long as said admin didn't divulge any specific deanonymized information to 3rd parties but rather used it for a purely technical shakedown of unwelcome guests at HIS forums, he's within legal rights in any jurisdiction you would like to quote. As such, your allegations of getting some info from CCP (which do not even connect anywhere to the above scheme of things) and comparing it to forum data (when in fact those were forum data matched against teamspeak data, both operated by private individuals), appear, well, completely unrealistic. If you wish, I can enumerate for easy understanding: 1) no "official CCP website" 2) no abuse 3) nothing was "given out" Oh, and also this is completely offtopic in this thread. --
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:10:00 - [116] Originally by: Krystian Not even worth a real response. Down playing something you feel guilty of is all that I see. Sad and disturbing. I have no relationship with D2, no relationship with any of their hosting providers, so how I am suddenly guilty of doing something... Well yeah, I think you see where your logic is flawed. I just know a little bit about this intaweb thingamy, and yeah, when someone starts talking about 'Hacking IP's' well yeah, it becomes apparent they have no idea what they are talking about. I had a different sig here, but it made fun of BoB and apparently thats against the rules!
trk4 Amarr Freeform Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:18:00 - [117] Can we please keep this thread on track. The OP put a battle report. Its not about hacking, or cheating so move on.
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:21:00 - [118] Edited by: Popsikle on 18/02/2007 23:18:07 Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Popsikle Abusing a CCP official website to benefit yourself is cheating as much as abusing ANY information BoB may have gotten from CCP, because its the SAME thing, its all Information given to people from Official CCP sources. eve-online.de has at no point in time been a CCP official EVE website, there are several Dev/ISD posts in this forum to confirm this, if you could be bothered to look. It is registered to CCP and the privacy policy alone on the eve-online.de states Quote: "You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised." Regardless of the fact the site is registered to CCP the webmaster of eve-online.de DID violate privacy policies to sniff out the bob spies. Its cheating just as much as bob is cheating, and just as much as lv/goonies/ascn/ra cheated, its all cheating. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:24:00 - [119] Thnx for the report and for the replies of some enemies of OP who took part in the battle and were also informative. The anti Bobs that did not take part in the battle should ask themselves why their drivel contradicts what the razor guys are saying... but who cares idots are, after all, invincible. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:59:00 - [120] Originally by: Inflexible Link between IP and some identity is not easily obtainable informatin and is protected by law. If it is easily obtainable, can you please tell me my IP? Really not that hard to figure out. Your IP shows up in the server logs of every host where all these lovely signatures are hosted. With a little smarts, you could easily narrow down IPs to toons.
Nathin Ames Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 01:17:00 - [121] Fsome reason a battle report turned into another way for IRON and friends to make excuses.
tost Viper Squad Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.02.19 08:44:00 - [122] Die !
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.19 08:51:00 - [123] Originally by: Nathin Ames Fsome reason a battle report turned into another way for IRON and friends to make excuses. Quoted for future funnies. The majority of IRON pilots aren't saying that yesterday went perfectly. However, it would have gone much better in our favour if our support wasn't lagged to hell and back. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
rig0r Arcane Industries	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:39:00 - [124] Originally by: tost Die !

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