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Duff Man Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:12:00 - [1] I won't claim impartiality, I'm not! I have several friends in BoB and I hope to see them win this fight. Having stated that fact, this post is not about garnering propaganda for BoB. Rather, I'd like to ask a question, primarily to understand whether or not my perception of the progress of this war is even close to the reality. From reading the battle reports, it seems as though BoB is at this point, winning this war. Intentionally overlooking the BoB ally situations (LV etc), it would seem that every major engagement with actual BoB forces, has resulted in BoB holding the field and / or, inflicting significant Cap fleet losses on the coalition. From an outsiders view BoB is outclassing you and winning, despite being heavily outnumbered. So the question is this? Is this merely a shining success of propaganda (Which is a valid tactic in war), or is this in fact, the cold hard reality that it seems to be?
Duff Man Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:12:00 - [2] I won't claim impartiality, I'm not! I have several friends in BoB and I hope to see them win this fight. Having stated that fact, this post is not about garnering propaganda for BoB. Rather, I'd like to ask a question, primarily to understand whether or not my perception of the progress of this war is even close to the reality. From reading the battle reports, it seems as though BoB is at this point, winning this war. Intentionally overlooking the BoB ally situations (LV etc), it would seem that every major engagement with actual BoB forces, has resulted in BoB holding the field and / or, inflicting significant Cap fleet losses on the coalition. From an outsiders view BoB is outclassing you and winning, despite being heavily outnumbered. So the question is this? Is this merely a shining success of propaganda (Which is a valid tactic in war), or is this in fact, the cold hard reality that it seems to be?
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:16:00 - [3] Originally by: Duff Man I won't claim impartiality, I'm not! I have several friends in BoB and I hope to see them win this fight. Having stated that fact, this post is not about garnering propaganda for BoB. Rather, I'd like to ask a question, primarily to understand whether or not my perception of the progress of this war is even close to the reality. From reading the battle reports, it seems as though BoB is at this point, winning this war. Intentionally overlooking the BoB ally situations (LV etc), it would seem that every major engagement with actual BoB forces, has resulted in BoB holding the field and / or, inflicting significant Cap fleet losses on the coalition. From an outsiders view BoB is outclassing you and winning, despite being heavily outnumbered. So the question is this? Is this merely a shining success of propaganda (Which is a valid tactic in war), or is this in fact, the cold hard reality that it seems to be? Basically, you're a victim of brainwashing
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Duff Man I won't claim impartiality, I'm not! I have several friends in BoB and I hope to see them win this fight. Having stated that fact, this post is not about garnering propaganda for BoB. Rather, I'd like to ask a question, primarily to understand whether or not my perception of the progress of this war is even close to the reality. From reading the battle reports, it seems as though BoB is at this point, winning this war. Intentionally overlooking the BoB ally situations (LV etc), it would seem that every major engagement with actual BoB forces, has resulted in BoB holding the field and / or, inflicting significant Cap fleet losses on the coalition. From an outsiders view BoB is outclassing you and winning, despite being heavily outnumbered. So the question is this? Is this merely a shining success of propaganda (Which is a valid tactic in war), or is this in fact, the cold hard reality that it seems to be? Basically, you're a victim of brainwashing
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:18:00 - [5] Edited by: Cadiz on 19/02/2007 02:19:00 Band of Brothers isn't fighting the entire Coalition at any one time, though. They're usually either fighting with D2 in Fountain OR assorted northerners in Querious OR the Drunken Redswarm & Friends in conjunction with LV. We've yet to get to the point where there is actually mass concerted effort against BoB itself, so I'd say wait a while and see if you still believe such. And it seems that wherever BoB is not at any one point in time, their associates are either deadlocked or losing ground... ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:18:00 - [6] Edited by: Cadiz on 19/02/2007 02:19:00 Band of Brothers isn't fighting the entire Coalition at any one time, though. They're usually either fighting with D2 in Fountain OR assorted northerners in Querious OR the Drunken Redswarm & Friends in conjunction with LV. We've yet to get to the point where there is actually mass concerted effort against BoB itself, so I'd say wait a while and see if you still believe such. And it seems that wherever BoB is not at any one point in time, their associates are either deadlocked or losing ground... ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Tomic Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:20:00 - [7] I'm guessing getting owned by D2 up in the north is outclassing everyone?
Arithon Draedus NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Duff Man I won't claim impartiality, I'm not! I have several friends in BoB and I hope to see them win this fight. Having stated that fact, this post is not about garnering propaganda for BoB. Rather, I'd like to ask a question, primarily to understand whether or not my perception of the progress of this war is even close to the reality. From reading the battle reports, it seems as though BoB is at this point, winning this war. Intentionally overlooking the BoB ally situations (LV etc), it would seem that every major engagement with actual BoB forces, has resulted in BoB holding the field and / or, inflicting significant Cap fleet losses on the coalition. From an outsiders view BoB is outclassing you and winning, despite being heavily outnumbered. So the question is this? Is this merely a shining success of propaganda (Which is a valid tactic in war), or is this in fact, the cold hard reality that it seems to be? There is no way that you can claim impartiality. Statements have been made on this forum that Southern Cross Alliance is on BoB side. So, that being said..........I'm posting in a BoB thread!
Tomic Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:20:00 - [9] I'm guessing getting owned by D2 up in the north is outclassing everyone?
Arithon Draedus NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Duff Man I won't claim impartiality, I'm not! I have several friends in BoB and I hope to see them win this fight. Having stated that fact, this post is not about garnering propaganda for BoB. Rather, I'd like to ask a question, primarily to understand whether or not my perception of the progress of this war is even close to the reality. From reading the battle reports, it seems as though BoB is at this point, winning this war. Intentionally overlooking the BoB ally situations (LV etc), it would seem that every major engagement with actual BoB forces, has resulted in BoB holding the field and / or, inflicting significant Cap fleet losses on the coalition. From an outsiders view BoB is outclassing you and winning, despite being heavily outnumbered. So the question is this? Is this merely a shining success of propaganda (Which is a valid tactic in war), or is this in fact, the cold hard reality that it seems to be? There is no way that you can claim impartiality. Statements have been made on this forum that Southern Cross Alliance is on BoB side. So, that being said..........I'm posting in a BoB thread!
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:21:00 - [11] Propaganda is a beautiful thing. Or is it just the fact that you want to feel justified in paying them rent?
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Cadiz Edited by: Cadiz on 19/02/2007 02:15:52 Band of Brothers isn't fighting the entire Coalition at any one time, though. They're usually either fighting with D2 in Fountain OR assorted northern residents in Querious OR the Drunken Redswarm & Friends in conjunction with LV. We've yet to get to the point where there is actually mass concerted effort against BoB itself, so I'd say wait a while and see if you still believe such. And it seems that wherever BoB is not at any one point in time, their associates are losing ground...or at least certainly not recovering it. That's saying "wait till it's 5-1 odds" "Dont speak english... Ctrl Q Ctrl Q "
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:21:00 - [13] Propaganda is a beautiful thing. Or is it just the fact that you want to feel justified in paying them rent?
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Cadiz Edited by: Cadiz on 19/02/2007 02:15:52 Band of Brothers isn't fighting the entire Coalition at any one time, though. They're usually either fighting with D2 in Fountain OR assorted northern residents in Querious OR the Drunken Redswarm & Friends in conjunction with LV. We've yet to get to the point where there is actually mass concerted effort against BoB itself, so I'd say wait a while and see if you still believe such. And it seems that wherever BoB is not at any one point in time, their associates are losing ground...or at least certainly not recovering it. That's saying "wait till it's 5-1 odds" "Dont speak english... Ctrl Q Ctrl Q "
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:22:00 - [15] I think regardless of kill tally, BoB will eventually lose. There is too much anger, too much history with too many players, just plain old jealousy for all their complexes and belts, whatever. The point of no return has been crossed and I think "the allies" will just continue to hammer and hammer and hammer till its done. It's entirely possible that those allies will reform many times under new banners, merge with each other, more will join, etc. I can even see individual corps just up and moving into BoB space. What are they going to do, sidetrack the major war to stop 20 mini wars on their home turf? It might take awhile, but I think its inevitable. BoB's turn is over, it'll just take a little while to pry the dice from their hands. Despite what you may assume regarding my corp, I believe that to be objective. ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
IntegralHellsing Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:22:00 - [16] isn't it too early to decide? and please mods. i am joining corp in a matter of days so my heart will break if my posts are deleted right now SNIP Please do not discuss moderation in your signature - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:22:00 - [17] I think regardless of kill tally, BoB will eventually lose. There is too much anger, too much history with too many players, just plain old jealousy for all their complexes and belts, whatever. The point of no return has been crossed and I think "the allies" will just continue to hammer and hammer and hammer till its done. It's entirely possible that those allies will reform many times under new banners, merge with each other, more will join, etc. I can even see individual corps just up and moving into BoB space. What are they going to do, sidetrack the major war to stop 20 mini wars on their home turf? It might take awhile, but I think its inevitable. BoB's turn is over, it'll just take a little while to pry the dice from their hands. Despite what you may assume regarding my corp, I believe that to be objective. ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
IntegralHellsing Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:22:00 - [18] isn't it too early to decide? and please mods. i am joining corp in a matter of days so my heart will break if my posts are deleted right now SNIP Please do not discuss moderation in your signature - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Cptn Chaos Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:23:00 - [19] Edited by: Cptn Chaos on 19/02/2007 02:24:16 its a pity bob treats this forum section only as a place for propaganda. most of all i miss a gf in all of bobs battle reports, its all about gloryfing themself and rubbing it into the face of the enemy. also the amount of alts doing the smack in bobs name is above the average in every bob thread. so yea, not a good idea to get a accurate picture based on bobs reports.
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:23:00 - [20] Edited by: Cadiz on 19/02/2007 02:20:08 Originally by: The Jok3r That's saying "wait till it's 5-1 odds" Considering that's what BoB is up against in totality, yes, that's about right. Wait until BoB is actually dealing with the full scope of what they're up against before making claims about who's winning what. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Cptn Chaos Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:23:00 - [21] Edited by: Cptn Chaos on 19/02/2007 02:25:57 Edited by: Cptn Chaos on 19/02/2007 02:24:16 its a pity bob treats this forum section only as a place for propaganda. most of all i miss a gf in all of bobs battle reports, its all about gloryfing themself and rubbing it into the face of the enemy. also the amount of alts doing the smack in bobs name is above the average in every bob thread. so yea, not a good idea to get a accurate picture based on bobs reports. btw: poor choice for the thread title..
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:23:00 - [22] Edited by: Cadiz on 19/02/2007 02:20:08 Originally by: The Jok3r That's saying "wait till it's 5-1 odds" Considering that's what BoB is up against in totality, yes, that's about right. Wait until BoB is actually dealing with the full scope of what they're up against before making claims about who's winning what. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
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Broska Shadow Blades	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:25:00 - [25] I thought the coaltion was the name given to LV + Allies. And I wouldn't beleive anything posted on here tbh. Both sides post somthing in the region of "OMG WERE PWNING EVERYONE". Whilst the other side will post "THE LOSS'S WERE NOTHING!!!". Just got to take every post on here with the worlds biggest pinch of salt, It's pritty obvious after what 1/2 weeks? No side is really going to be "winning" or "loosing". Winning and Loosing comes 2-3 month's down the line when corps / pvp'ers start leaving the alliance because they think it's domed. Ignore the propaganda. ------------------------------ Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
Broska Shadow Blades	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:25:00 - [26] I thought the coaltion was the name given to LV + Allies. And I wouldn't beleive anything posted on here tbh. Both sides post somthing in the region of "OMG WERE PWNING EVERYONE". Whilst the other side will post "THE LOSS'S WERE NOTHING!!!". Just got to take every post on here with the worlds biggest pinch of salt, It's pritty obvious after what 1/2 weeks? No side is really going to be "winning" or "loosing". Winning and Loosing comes 2-3 month's down the line when corps / pvp'ers start leaving the alliance because they think it's domed. Ignore the propaganda. ------------------------------ Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:31:00 - [27] from what i've understood (not being a particlarly large fan of d2 or bob) is that fights have been about 50/50 win/loss with d2 unfortunately looses a titan to subterfuge distorting the fact that its a pretty even fight thusfar.
Ekon Bor ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Tomic I'm guessing getting owned by D2 up in the north is outclassing everyone? If loosing a titan and 1/3 of one's Dread fleet is your'e idea of uberness then u must pwn _________________________________________________________
Red Crown	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:32:00 - [29] You can't leave the BoB vassal states and allies out of this. Should FIX, Xelas, and whichever other BoB vassals be removed from the picture, BoB loses substantial income both in money and minerals. With them gone, once LV falls, I don't think BoB can sucessfully defend the former ASCN territories AND hold Fountain. If they try, they'll be hurt bad on both fronts. Right now, BoB isn't the main party in the conflict. Most fighting in the south has involved LV. BoB can't hold two fronts. BoB couldn't even hold off two major attacks on its home territory - demonstrated earlier today. GoonSwarm was able to fly, unopposed, strait into BoB "HQ" at NOL-M9 while BoB forces were tied up with D2.
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Red Crown Right now, BoB isn't the main party in the conflict. Most fighting in the south has involved LV. BoB can't hold two fronts. BoB couldn't even hold off two major attacks on its home territory - demonstrated earlier today. GoonSwarm was able to fly, unopposed, strait into BoB "HQ" at NOL-M9 while BoB forces were tied up with D2. With most of BoB being on the move in firefighting operations right now, being able to fly into NOL-M9 all lazily isn't saying a whole lot. I went through there last night and there were absolutely no BoB members in the system - one FIX and one Exuro Mortis, that's it. But I suppose that does highlight your point...it would appear that BoB needs to concentrate the majority of their capabilities on any one area to get favourable results right now, and at the current rate that won't seem to be enough in the long run. I suppose they're hoping that if they can brutalize component parts of the anti-BoB coalition sufficiently they can push them out of the war before it reaches the doors of Delve, which may or may not work. Only time will tell on that point. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."

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