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Husari Painen Independant News Agency	Posted - 2007.02.19 10:36:00 - [1] I have recieved a report from one of my sources in the southern regions conflict. On 18.02.2007 om 15:41 EVE time Shrike fired off his doomsday device close to the ED- station. There were about 15+ FIX and BOB pilots that died in the blast. Attackers lost about 3 ships, maybe even less. I have a question for Shrike: - Why firing a weapon when the grid is full of your allies? A large bubble was confirmed on station with many FIX tacklers stuck in it. And question for victims: - Why don't you post losses caused by friendly fire? FIX posted only 3 losses in grid full of ships. Are friendly fire losses ignored? We deliver the news, you live with them
Ackath Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.19 10:40:00 - [2] And this is news worthy why exactly? Plus I think you need to change your corp, you are not independent.
Zylatis AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.19 10:42:00 - [3] \o/
Imperil Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 10:44:00 - [4] As for what happend, people do mistakes and sometimes not everything happen as planned. But for not posting losses, well, most alliances does not post losses. Support POS Overhaul - Read it NOW!
Hermia HIVE	Posted - 2007.02.19 10:45:00 - [5] Its news worthy because BOB are perceived to have god like strategy, this mistake is interesting. Ofcourse assuming the report has some accuracy.
mr bighelmet	Posted - 2007.02.19 10:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Husari Painen I have recieved a report from one of my sources in the southern regions conflict. i too got leet sources http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=478250 but don't tell anyone about it cuse it's secret source and stuff.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 10:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Husari Painen I have recieved a report from one of my sources in the southern regions conflict. On 18.02.2007 om 15:41 EVE time Shrike fired off his doomsday device close to the ED- station. There were about 15+ FIX and BOB pilots that died in the blast. Attackers lost about 3 ships, maybe even less. I have a question for Shrike: - Why firing a weapon when the grid is full of your allies? A large bubble was confirmed on station with many FIX tacklers stuck in it. And question for victims: - Why don't you post losses caused by friendly fire? FIX posted only 3 losses in grid full of ships. Are friendly fire losses ignored? The question was for Shrike, but perhaps I can help correct your misinformation. Roughly about 15 friendlies were destroyed, for FIX that included two BS, the rest were support. I'm not sure exactly what ships BoB pilots lost. Your count of 3 hostiles destroyed in the DD is off by a fairly wide margin. Looking at the BoB killboard, and looking up Shrike and the kills he acquired at the time of the DD going off in ED-L9T, you'll find that 17 hostile BS were destroyed in the blast, a fair few support were also destroyed ofc. Blog
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:00:00 - [8] If you check BoB's killboard, they have never hidden from posting friendly fire incidents from their DD weapon before. They just aren't very quick at posting them. It's the same with any of their losses. It looks good on their front page if all you see on it is mainly todays kills. If they wait 24 hours before posting a loss then it misses the front page and a lot of people who follow wars and base their opinions on killboards and forums end up with a skewed opinion of what is going on. Always check back 48 hours. BoB probably have the most accurate killboard out there as long as you aren't trying to follow it in realtime.
hangnoose Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:04:00 - [9] Everything you post makes me think... wow what a waist of time. Seriously in less it's 10 dreads down or so and so are giving up, stop waisting ccp's bandwidth with these stupid threads. Friendly fire happens... no need to post about it.
Husari Painen Independant News Agency	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Avernus Your count of 3 hostiles destroyed in the DD is off by a fairly wide margin. Looking at the BoB killboard, and looking up Shrike and the kills he acquired at the time of the DD going off in ED-L9T, you'll find that 17 hostile BS were destroyed in the blast, a fair few support were also destroyed ofc. Actually 11 hostile ships were destroyed in the blast. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. But still it seems a high price to pay for killing few hostiles? We deliver the news, you live with them
Apolyon I Caldari Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:13:00 - [11] Edited by: Apolyon I on 19/02/2007 11:13:12 Originally by: Imperil But for not posting losses, well, most alliances does not post losses. FIX policy is alway post lost regardless what it is, so if some guys in FIX dont post their own lost, dont blame the whole alliance. I think lots of alliance having the policy to post lost as well but due to personal pride, some dont post it. About the DD friendly blast, we're already had had order to warp out well before it happen on TS and gang chat. The problem is some people still hanging out in the bubble dont know what is fun for or some lagging too much to do anything when hostile fleet warped in, ie., in my personal case, I was lagging like hell when my Rokh blow up and entering my pod, so I lost pod to the DD. If I have to start the game from the beginning... I wont pick a name start with an A. Having too much fun being primary target...
Reservoir Dog Free Space Tech	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:19:00 - [12] LV's titan also had friendly fire incident in JV1V some time ago. Part of LV BS fleet was doomsdayed. Unfortunately system was too hot at that moment so exact amount of losses is unknown. Titan pilot didn't post them at all
Sun Takkara GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:31:00 - [13] Edited by: Sun Takkara on 19/02/2007 11:28:30 Originally by: hangnoose stop waisting ccp's bandwidth with these stupid threads. So you are now the judge of whats stupid and not?? Let ppl post what they want ffks. Not like anyone forces you to read it all... "What we do in life echoes in eternity"
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Sun Takkara Edited by: Sun Takkara on 19/02/2007 11:28:30 Originally by: hangnoose stop waisting ccp's bandwidth with these stupid threads. So you are now the judge of whats stupid and not?? Let ppl post what they want ffks. Not like anyone forces you to read it all... But the way the question is worded in the OP, it does look pretty stupid. It's kinda like asking a football player that just missed the goal "Why didn't you shoot a bit further to the left? Then you would've scored." Obviously it's better to DD a ton of enemies than some friends and a few enemies. But no battleplan survives contact with the enemy, and a myriad of factors, including faulty communications, misunderstandings or just plain lag could have contributed to a mistake being made. It's the base assumption that Shrike deliberately nuked his allies in order to score a few killmails that is kind of absurd. -----
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:59:00 - [15] Two-fold really: I'm not sure if FIX and BoB share a TeamSpeak server, it might simply be that the lines of communication failed at that particular point. Of course, it would equally be a case of 'the lesser of two evils'; loosing 15 friendly ships whilst potentially destroying 30-45 enemy ships. Shrike had 3-4 opportunities to activate the DD device before, whilst we were siege-ing the FIX POS. This would have arguably caused less friendly losses, as pilots could have simply seeked refuge in the POS shield. I think the reason for minimal casualties on our side (15 or so, compared to a potential 30-45) was down to decent FC's. As soon as the Avatar uncloaked, we'd be pulled away from the potential detonation. Unfortunately in this case, a number of our ships were either too lagged, or too close together, to properly enter warp. I know my ship was mid-warp when I received the Avatar damage message, and didn't explode for another minute whilst I was sitting at a friendly POS. We certainly lost 4 IRON ships in the explosion, not sure about others. Anyway, killmail postings take time. Loosing your ship often causes pilots to logout in frustration, and everyone knows that DD killmails take upto 30 minutes to appear sometimes. Hopefully we'll know the true casualty rate in a few days. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
VekkTor Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:42:00 - [16] if u want a report ive been blown in that DD (choo choo) the thing all went how it was supposed to go, an hostile gang (not 3 ships) warped at range, BoBs were aligned and warped out, we've been told to do as well, but there was a large bubble on the station and some support was inside, and some BoB pilots didn't warp yet as well. Shrike did a ninja warp and i said myself "wooohooo DD screenies!" ^^ id post a screen but meh there's too much infos about us in it btw: 1. DD isn't the "i just own reds" weapon 2. imho u should check friendly AND enemy kms 3. being a Independant News Agent is a BIG responsability, bigger than firing a DD on 5+ friendly bses
Aceformat British Space Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:47:00 - [17] Question for Husari Painen why be called "Independant" when it is completely obvious you're another spin measure, attemping to propogate propoganda from "One of your soucres". Yet another obvious D2/-A-/CA/RA/GOON/IRON whoever else is on the bandwagon's, attempt at forums propoganda, weak at that!!
Husari Painen Independant News Agency	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:00:00 - [18] Originally by: VekkTor if u want a report ive been blown in that DD (choo choo) the thing all went how it was supposed to go, an hostile gang (not 3 ships) warped at range, BoBs were aligned and warped out, we've been told to do as well, but there was a large bubble on the station and some support was inside, and some BoB pilots didn't warp yet as well. Shrike did a ninja warp and i said myself "wooohooo DD screenies!" ^^ id post a screen but meh there's too much infos about us in it btw: 1. DD isn't the "i just own reds" weapon 2. imho u should check friendly AND enemy kms 3. being a Independant News Agent is a BIG responsability, bigger than firing a DD on 5+ friendly bses So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied? We deliver the news, you live with them
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Husari Painen Originally by: VekkTor if u want a report ive been blown in that DD (choo choo) the thing all went how it was supposed to go, an hostile gang (not 3 ships) warped at range, BoBs were aligned and warped out, we've been told to do as well, but there was a large bubble on the station and some support was inside, and some BoB pilots didn't warp yet as well. Shrike did a ninja warp and i said myself "wooohooo DD screenies!" ^^ id post a screen but meh there's too much infos about us in it btw: 1. DD isn't the "i just own reds" weapon 2. imho u should check friendly AND enemy kms 3. being a Independant News Agent is a BIG responsability, bigger than firing a DD on 5+ friendly bses So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied? Would you say that you're more of an idiot than a transparent troll? Right now it's pretty much 50/50. And is everything you write this lame, or are there a few things differently lame?
Breaka The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:12:00 - [20] Yes, Mr. Independentreporterbutt. Shrike wants FIX to die lotses and lotses. Of course BoB wants to kill off FIX...that's why they are there helping us. Retard
Sardukon	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Husari Painen Originally by: VekkTor if u want a report ive been blown in that DD (choo choo) the thing all went how it was supposed to go, an hostile gang (not 3 ships) warped at range, BoBs were aligned and warped out, we've been told to do as well, but there was a large bubble on the station and some support was inside, and some BoB pilots didn't warp yet as well. Shrike did a ninja warp and i said myself "wooohooo DD screenies!" ^^ id post a screen but meh there's too much infos about us in it btw: 1. DD isn't the "i just own reds" weapon 2. imho u should check friendly AND enemy kms 3. being a Independant News Agent is a BIG responsability, bigger than firing a DD on 5+ friendly bses So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied? Change your corp name to "Fox News" please.
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Hermia Its news worthy because BOB are perceived to have god like strategy, this mistake is interesting. I think it all depends on who was piloting Shrike that day, I understand the quality varies quite a bit from TZ to TZ.
DTee The Huns Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:20:00 - [23] Your an idiot.
hybridundertaker Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:22:00 - [24] play it again shrike
Fredbob 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Husari Painen So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied? While I find the idea of an independant "news" reporter in Eve an interesting idea, I feel posts like this shred all the respect and proffessionalism required for such a position. Please for your own sake, if you wish to play the role of a reporter, do it in the style of a TV correspondant not a Daily Sport column typist. loaded questions, slanted questions and throwing your own personal views do nothing for what you are trying to acheive. and on a forum, it's trolling/baiting a negative response ___________ ~Fredbob~
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:32:00 - [26] Edited by: Herculite on 19/02/2007 13:28:47 Originally by: Sardukon Change your corp name to "Fox News" please. Actually unidentified character, a UCLA study showed Fox News to be the most balanced news program in the US in terms of left-right bias. They had only one program that was rated slightly biased right. It was far more centrist than any other network. Your flame would have been more accurate if you said 'Change your corp name to 'CBS News please'. mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/MediaBias.doc We report, you decide
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:49:00 - [27] Would you ever have expected that Fix is willing to take losses from friendly fire to defend our home? Shocking isn't it. Unlike some gutless alliances out there, Fix will actually fight and take losses, even when outnumbered and outgunned, most will only fight when they have clear superiority in numbers and firepower... Weak, just like your claim to be independant. News agenies don't have opinions, they don't don't use leading questions and they don't stray away from the facts into speculation.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:54:00 - [28] ** happens. Hardly thread worthy. Originally by:** Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
Limlox Caldari Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:59:00 - [29] Possibly an unfortunate accident, or maybe a strategic sacrifice. All I can say is keep it up www.nobob.info
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 14:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Husari Painen I have recieved a report from one of my sources in the southern regions conflict. On 18.02.2007 om 15:41 EVE time Shrike fired off his doomsday device close to the ED- station. There were about 15+ FIX and BOB pilots that died in the blast. Attackers lost about 3 ships, maybe even less. I have a question for Shrike: - Why firing a weapon when the grid is full of your allies? A large bubble was confirmed on station with many FIX tacklers stuck in it. And question for victims: - Why don't you post losses caused by friendly fire? FIX posted only 3 losses in grid full of ships. Are friendly fire losses ignored? [b]Independant[/ib] News Agency?

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