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Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 14:32:00 - [31] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar *Independant* News Agency? Clearly this is much bigger news than D2/IRON/RAWR/RZR loosing 15 dreads the same day... hehe..
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 14:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Husari Painen I have recieved a report from one of my sources in the southern regions conflict. On 18.02.2007 om 15:41 EVE time Shrike fired off his doomsday device close to the ED- station. There were about 15+ FIX and BOB pilots that died in the blast. Attackers lost about 3 ships, maybe even less. I have a question for Shrike: - Why firing a weapon when the grid is full of your allies? A large bubble was confirmed on station with many FIX tacklers stuck in it. And question for victims: - Why don't you post losses caused by friendly fire? FIX posted only 3 losses in grid full of ships. Are friendly fire losses ignored? The question was for Shrike, but perhaps I can help correct your misinformation. Roughly about 15 friendlies were destroyed, for FIX that included two BS, the rest were support. I'm not sure exactly what ships BoB pilots lost. Your count of 3 hostiles destroyed in the DD is off by a fairly wide margin. Looking at the BoB killboard, and looking up Shrike and the kills he acquired at the time of the DD going off in ED-L9T, you'll find that 17 hostile BS were destroyed in the blast, a fair few support were also destroyed ofc. I believe we lost 5 BS and a few T1 support ships. The ratio was still over 3:1, so not bad IMO. EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Husari Painen Independant News Agency	Posted - 2007.02.19 14:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Dark Shikari The ratio was still over 3:1, so not bad IMO. You are calling 3:1 in favour of own losses a good ratio? Or are you saying that Shrike killed 3 times more hostile ships with his DD then FI and BOB ships? In that case I suggest looking at killboards again, becouse what you are saying is not the truth. We deliver the news, you live with them
Ordinaire Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.19 14:50:00 - [34] Originally by: Husari Painen Originally by: Dark Shikari The ratio was still over 3:1, so not bad IMO. You are calling 3:1 in favour of own losses a good ratio? Or are you saying that Shrike killed 3 times more hostile ships with his DD then FI and BOB ships? In that case I suggest looking at killboards again, becouse what you are saying is not the truth. http://www.killboard.net/player/Shrike/kills/ 15 bs killed. FIX lose 5. That is 3:1. Have you ever finished elementary school? ---------- Those I deem unworthy, shall fall down on their knees before me and call me king Ordinaire!
Limlox Caldari Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.19 14:51:00 - [35] I hate to repeat what others have said, but you do seem a little one sided. I prefer news statements to be down the middle. On the wagon www.nobob.info
Weatherman Gallente Xoth Inc	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:02:00 - [36] Quote: - Why firing a weapon when the grid is full of your allies? A large bubble was confirmed on station with many FIX tacklers stuck in it. OMG!!! We're like, totally not gonna even be friends anymore after this!!! Thanks independent propaganda guy you made FIX see the light. For those of you that are slow, I'm being sarcastic. An engagement where we lose 1 ship for every 3 of theirs is fine with me, I don't care how it happens. The whole point of war is to sacrifice some of your ships in order to kill more of theirs. This isn't news, it's propaganda.
Rivers Kelak Fatalix Inc. Schism.	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:07:00 - [37] Edited by: Rivers Kelak on 19/02/2007 15:03:44 Edited by: Rivers Kelak on 19/02/2007 15:03:23 I hate to say it... But you're one sided Mr. News Man, you're probably an alt, it's sad. Stop making crappy useless propaganda and type up battle reports instead. You might agree with what I agree with, I'm against BOB, but I don't want to hear my side try to do this and play it off as "neutral". Just stop dude. If you need anyone to talk to about your rage I'm available for sexes chat every night.
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:09:00 - [38] BoB like to blame the fact that their kill-losses are missing on a "brand new, but buggy" killboard... Oh, and then when someone points this out to them. People recieve lots of hatemail telling them to STFU. EVE Online - Pirates
Husari Painen Independant News Agency	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:15:00 - [39] Read the post above. BOB doesn't post all kills, it's a known fact. Number of FIX and BOB wrecks after DD was counted and 5 is not the number. You will have to use many more hands to count those losses. My guess is that BOB pets take it after the example and just don't post their losses to friendly fire all the time. Part of tactics not to look silly when you shoot 17 allied ships and kill far less hostiles. We deliver the news, you live with them
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Herculite Edited by: Herculite on 19/02/2007 13:28:47 Originally by: Sardukon Change your corp name to "Fox News" please. Actually unidentified character, a UCLA study showed Fox News to be the most balanced news program in the US in terms of left-right bias. They had only one program that was rated slightly biased right. It was far more centrist than any other network. Your flame would have been more accurate if you said 'Change your corp name to 'CBS News please'. mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/MediaBias.doc We report, you decide Fox news and balanced do not easily go into the same sentence. I'm quite surprised your keyboard didn't actually expload and inbed the enter key in your face. Anyway on the topic at hand. Didn't Cyvok have a friendly fire incident and get subjected to like a dozen pages of flames calling him noob/idiot/baby eater and such? ----------------- signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) Hi, can you get CCP to remove T20 from the dev team too? Thanks.
Husari Painen Independant News Agency	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:57:00 - [41] Originally by: Plim Anyway on the topic at hand. Didn't Cyvok have a friendly fire incident and get subjected to like a dozen pages of flames calling him noob/idiot/baby eater and such? Bingo! I guess BOB plans to kill their slaves and it was not an accident There are two sides of each coin, I guess BOB never flipped theirs. We deliver the news, you live with them
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:00:00 - [42] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar *Independant* News Agency? Clearly this is much bigger news than D2/IRON/RAWR/RZR loosing 15 dreads the same day... hehe.. just quoting him
Aypse Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:17:00 - [43] Originally by: Husari Painen Read the post above. BOB doesn't post all kills, it's a known fact. Number of FIX and BOB wrecks after DD was counted and 5 is not the number. You will have to use many more hands to count those losses. My guess is that BOB pets take it after the example and just don't post their losses to friendly fire all the time. Part of tactics not to look silly when you shoot 17 allied ships and kill far less hostiles. If you are going to run 'independent news' reports, try to seperate fact from opinion and speculation. Independent news reports post opinions..thats ok....but professional ones clearly seperate them AS opinions. Or Just stop pretending to be an 'independent' news source m8. Noone is fooled. We all see what you are, even the anti-Bob's. Why not just post with your main and take a stance already? Hate Bob? Then stand up tall and say so with your main. Until you stop hiding behind an alt, you really should just rename your corp to the "Anonymous Alt News and Propaganda Agency." At least then people might listen to you because you are, at the very least, representing yourself accurately. There realy isn't anything wrong with writing propganda, if thats what you want to do. Lots of people enjoy reading it, me included. So why bother with the 'independent' claim? Stand up tall and draw a line in the sand against the 'evil forces of Bob and their pets.' At least I can respect those that stand up for their beliefs, even if I think they are wrong. Then again, considering CAOD, you will more likely just flame me and continue to try and fool those that believe everything they read on the internet. If thats the case, then carry on my brother, carry on. Originally by: Oveur Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:18:00 - [44] Originally by: Aypse Originally by: Husari Painen Read the post above. BOB doesn't post all kills, it's a known fact. Number of FIX and BOB wrecks after DD was counted and 5 is not the number. You will have to use many more hands to count those losses. My guess is that BOB pets take it after the example and just don't post their losses to friendly fire all the time. Part of tactics not to look silly when you shoot 17 allied ships and kill far less hostiles. If you are going to run 'independent news' reports, try to seperate fact from opinion and speculation. Independent news reports post opinions..thats ok....but professional ones clearly seperate them AS opinions. Or Just stop pretending to be an 'independent' news source m8. Noone is fooled. We all see what you are, even the anti-Bob's. Why not just post with your main and take a stance already? Hate Bob? Then stand up tall and say so with your main. Until you stop hiding behind an alt, you really should just rename your corp to the "Anonymous Alt News and Propaganda Agency." At least then people might listen to you because you are, at the very least, representing yourself accurately. There realy isn't anything wrong with writing propganda, if thats what you want to do. Lots of people enjoy reading it, me included. So why bother with the 'independent' claim? Stand up tall and draw a line in the sand against the 'evil forces of Bob and their pets.' At least I can respect those that stand up for their beliefs, even if I think they are wrong. Then again, considering CAOD, you will more likely just flame me and continue to try and fool those that believe everything they read on the internet. If thats the case, then carry on my brother, carry on. pwned
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:22:00 - [45] Keep going keep going keep telling yourself that you can beat BOB! Really go go go!!!
Aariss Amarr Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:23:00 - [46] News Flash.. squirel found shot in central park.. police investigating but reports said the donut shop is out of donuts Police cheif had this to say "Hey **** happens!" That is all.. Look mom i made a press release So he missed.. give him credit.. it's like trying to shoot a fly with a nuke and not having any casulties! Hey atleast he got 3 flies Cya on the field LV Some people are like slinkies... good for nothing but fun to push down the stairs http://infinitus-odium.com/killboard/?a=home
Uggs386 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:31:00 - [47] please just stop beating around the bush, and change corp name to Northern Propaganda Agency. Removed, inappropriate signature image - zhuge
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Plim Fox news and balanced do not easily go into the same sentence. I'm quite surprised your keyboard didn't actually expload and inbed the enter key in your face. Try reading that link, you might learn something if you are intelligent. As for the OP, it happens, its war, Cyvok was flamed for his DD because it was the first DD ever used and it was used poorly. I think he got one good shot off before losing his titan.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Ackath And this is news worthy why exactly? Plus I think you need to change your corp, you are not independent. I don't know about news.. but I'd certainly call it Irony considering how much smack was tossed off by BOB members when Cyvok caught some friendlies in his first DD blast.
Opium	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:10:00 - [50] in a court of law in any univers if ur found to be a liar in any way then nothing u say after is credible... u have been convicted by the devs u are all liars from bob or any affiliated with them, nothing u dsay or do is cradible in this game ever nothing u do or achieve is to believed achieved in an honest or courageous way,,,, and i say just like enron u should be shut down all assets frozen all stations locked, concorde should be flying after any and all bob in all systems to make the game believed to be credible... untill them we the clients of eve will try to police the police
Zell Caldari The Black Raptors	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:12:00 - [51] This just in from the independant news agency.. "Maybe.." "I just heard" "unconfirmed reports" "I guess that" "Could it be that,.." "I have received a report that.." See a pattern developing here Scully? This just in , reports have it that we went to different schools together, more later.. "We deliver the BS, you read it...." Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve. A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:41:00 - [52] All you nublets still spouting off about this reporter who already outted himself.
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:59:00 - [53] Originally by: Herculite Try reading that link, you might learn something if you are intelligent. As for the OP, it happens, its war, Cyvok was flamed for his DD because it was the first DD ever used and it was used poorly. I think he got one good shot off before losing his titan. I just read the report you linked, and although I know this is off-topic to the OP's discussion, the OP is just trolling so I don't feel bad. Comparing media outlets to the statements of congressmen, although interesting, is not a good measure of bias. A better measure would be to compare the statements of the news agency to what was later established as truth afterwards. The more times a media outlet reports news for possible political purposes that they when pressed later would admit was not true, the more biased it is. Another problem with using congress as a measure is that it keeps changing. That report done in September 2003 would in fact have very different results in 2007 due to the change in the party balance in congress. Having your standard for bias change so drastically and rapidly does not lend itself to an accurate measure of what truth is in the news. Also, I know it would have been more difficult to include editorials and opinion pieces in the study, but those are probably the place where institutional bias becomes most clear in a media outlet, so their exclusion from the study leaves something to be desired. Comparing news reports to congressional views is a worthy topic to study, especially soon after an election to determine how in step the views of the media and the electoral views of the voting public are, but it is hardly a good measure of left-right bias. ----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:59:00 - [54] Originally by: Herculite Try reading that link, you might learn something if you are intelligent. As for the OP, it happens, its war, Cyvok was flamed for his DD because it was the first DD ever used and it was used poorly. I think he got one good shot off before losing his titan. I just read the report you linked, and although I know this is off-topic to the OP's discussion, the OP is just trolling so I don't feel bad. Comparing media outlets to the statements of congressmen, although interesting, is not a good measure of bias. A better measure would be to compare the statements of the news agency to what was later established as truth afterwards. The more times a media outlet reports news for possible political purposes that they when pressed later would admit was not true, the more biased it is. Another problem with using congress as a measure is that it keeps changing. That report done in September 2003 would in fact have very different results in 2007 due to the change in the party balance in congress. Having your standard for bias change so drastically and rapidly does not lend itself to an accurate measure of what truth is in the news. Also, I know it would have been more difficult to include editorials and opinion pieces in the study, but those are probably the place where institutional bias becomes most clear in a media outlet, so their exclusion from the study leaves something to be desired. Comparing news reports to congressional views is a worthy topic to study, especially soon after an election to determine how in step the views of the media and the electoral views of the voting public are, but it is hardly a good measure of left-right bias. ----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense
Blumpkin	Posted - 2007.02.19 18:38:00 - [55] [i]So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied? Sounds like your reporting news from the other side "Independant News reporter" It is a small price to pay to defend our home.
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.19 18:51:00 - [56] Edited by: Empyre on 19/02/2007 18:48:05 so what i've gathered so far.. the independent news agency is actually faux news & they lean in favor of the coalition ..so the coalition are republicans? it's all starting to make so much more sense now! (ps. relax, it's a joke) People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
OozoO Caldari Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.19 18:59:00 - [57] its funny how people get so upset when he starts posting
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:14:00 - [58] not a bid deal Chowdown has been doing this for a long time who would post a friendly kill anyways? Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Huge Ox UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:21:00 - [59] Tbh if you were independant i would expect to see unbiased reports for/against both sides so far all i have seen is thinly veiled smack against BoB and LV+ alies. but then what do you expect from what at best could be termed gutter news. How about instead of sources you come down and do some real reporting if this was rl journalists would be cutting each others throats for a chance to report from the front lines and i'm sure everyone would respect the nuetrality you have shown so far.
Don Yokushi Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:24:00 - [60] In my mind, your corporation compares to that of FOX News. "Fair and balanced". Right. I highly suggest you edit your first post in order to reflect the truth which has been posted by everyone else. Also, losing some of your own units to blow up your enemies is common. In EVE, Russian war tactics are used. Who cares if you lose some of your own men while taking out the enemy? You've got even more men sitting elsewhere ready to be sent to fight.

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