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Husari Painen
Independant News Agency
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Posted - 2007.02.19 10:36:00 -
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I have recieved a report from one of my sources in the southern regions conflict.
On 18.02.2007 om 15:41 EVE time Shrike fired off his doomsday device close to the ED- station. There were about 15+ FIX and BOB pilots that died in the blast. Attackers lost about 3 ships, maybe even less.
I have a question for Shrike:
- Why firing a weapon when the grid is full of your allies? A large bubble was confirmed on station with many FIX tacklers stuck in it.
And question for victims:
- Why don't you post losses caused by friendly fire? FIX posted only 3 losses in grid full of ships. Are friendly fire losses ignored?
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Ackath
Minmatar
Delta team
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.19 10:40:00 -
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And this is news worthy why exactly?
Plus I think you need to change your corp, you are not independent.
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Zylatis
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.19 10:42:00 -
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\o/
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 10:44:00 -
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As for what happend, people do mistakes and sometimes not everything happen as planned.
But for not posting losses, well, most alliances does not post losses.
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Hermia
HIVE
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Posted - 2007.02.19 10:45:00 -
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Its news worthy because BOB are perceived to have god like strategy, this mistake is interesting.
Ofcourse assuming the report has some accuracy.
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mr bighelmet
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Posted - 2007.02.19 10:55:00 -
[6]
 Originally by: Husari Painen
I have recieved a report from one of my sources in the southern regions conflict.
i too got leet sources http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=478250
but don't tell anyone about it cuse it's secret source and stuff.
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Husari Painen
I have recieved a report from one of my sources in the southern regions conflict.
On 18.02.2007 om 15:41 EVE time Shrike fired off his doomsday device close to the ED- station. There were about 15+ FIX and BOB pilots that died in the blast. Attackers lost about 3 ships, maybe even less.
I have a question for Shrike:
- Why firing a weapon when the grid is full of your allies? A large bubble was confirmed on station with many FIX tacklers stuck in it.
And question for victims:
- Why don't you post losses caused by friendly fire? FIX posted only 3 losses in grid full of ships. Are friendly fire losses ignored?
The question was for Shrike, but perhaps I can help correct your misinformation. Roughly about 15 friendlies were destroyed, for FIX that included two BS, the rest were support. I'm not sure exactly what ships BoB pilots lost.
Your count of 3 hostiles destroyed in the DD is off by a fairly wide margin. Looking at the BoB killboard, and looking up Shrike and the kills he acquired at the time of the DD going off in ED-L9T, you'll find that 17 hostile BS were destroyed in the blast, a fair few support were also destroyed ofc.
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Weebear
The Bowrey
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Posted - 2007.02.19 11:00:00 -
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If you check BoB's killboard, they have never hidden from posting friendly fire incidents from their DD weapon before. They just aren't very quick at posting them. It's the same with any of their losses.
It looks good on their front page if all you see on it is mainly todays kills. If they wait 24 hours before posting a loss then it misses the front page and a lot of people who follow wars and base their opinions on killboards and forums end up with a skewed opinion of what is going on.
Always check back 48 hours.
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hangnoose
Caldari
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 11:04:00 -
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Everything you post makes me think... wow what a waist of time.
Seriously in less it's 10 dreads down or so and so are giving up, stop waisting ccp's bandwidth with these stupid threads.
Friendly fire happens... no need to post about it.
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Husari Painen
Independant News Agency
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Posted - 2007.02.19 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus
Your count of 3 hostiles destroyed in the DD is off by a fairly wide margin. Looking at the BoB killboard, and looking up Shrike and the kills he acquired at the time of the DD going off in ED-L9T, you'll find that 17 hostile BS were destroyed in the blast, a fair few support were also destroyed ofc.
Actually 11 hostile ships were destroyed in the blast. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
But still it seems a high price to pay for killing few hostiles?
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Apolyon I
Caldari
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Apolyon I on 19/02/2007 11:13:12
Originally by: Imperil
But for not posting losses, well, most alliances does not post losses.
FIX policy is alway post lost regardless what it is, so if some guys in FIX dont post their own lost, dont blame the whole alliance. I think lots of alliance having the policy to post lost as well but due to personal pride, some dont post it.
About the DD friendly blast, we're already had had order to warp out well before it happen on TS and gang chat. The problem is some people still hanging out in the bubble dont know what is fun for or some lagging too much to do anything when hostile fleet warped in, ie., in my personal case, I was lagging like hell when my Rokh blow up and entering my pod, so I lost pod to the DD.
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Reservoir Dog
Free Space Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.19 11:19:00 -
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LV's titan also had friendly fire incident in JV1V some time ago. Part of LV BS fleet was doomsdayed. Unfortunately system was too hot at that moment so exact amount of losses is unknown. Titan pilot didn't post them at all
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Sun Takkara
GREY COUNCIL
Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.02.19 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sun Takkara on 19/02/2007 11:28:30
Originally by: hangnoose
stop waisting ccp's bandwidth with these stupid threads.
So you are now the judge of whats stupid and not?? Let ppl post what they want ffks. Not like anyone forces you to read it all...
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.19 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Takkara
Edited by: Sun Takkara on 19/02/2007 11:28:30
Originally by: hangnoose
stop waisting ccp's bandwidth with these stupid threads.
So you are now the judge of whats stupid and not?? Let ppl post what they want ffks. Not like anyone forces you to read it all...
But the way the question is worded in the OP, it does look pretty stupid.
It's kinda like asking a football player that just missed the goal "Why didn't you shoot a bit further to the left? Then you would've scored." Obviously it's better to DD a ton of enemies than some friends and a few enemies. But no battleplan survives contact with the enemy, and a myriad of factors, including faulty communications, misunderstandings or just plain lag could have contributed to a mistake being made. It's the base assumption that Shrike deliberately nuked his allies in order to score a few killmails that is kind of absurd.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.19 11:59:00 -
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Two-fold really:
I'm not sure if FIX and BoB share a TeamSpeak server, it might simply be that the lines of communication failed at that particular point. Of course, it would equally be a case of 'the lesser of two evils'; loosing 15 friendly ships whilst potentially destroying 30-45 enemy ships.
Shrike had 3-4 opportunities to activate the DD device before, whilst we were siege-ing the FIX POS. This would have arguably caused less friendly losses, as pilots could have simply seeked refuge in the POS shield.
I think the reason for minimal casualties on our side (15 or so, compared to a potential 30-45) was down to decent FC's. As soon as the Avatar uncloaked, we'd be pulled away from the potential detonation.
Unfortunately in this case, a number of our ships were either too lagged, or too close together, to properly enter warp. I know my ship was mid-warp when I received the Avatar damage message, and didn't explode for another minute whilst I was sitting at a friendly POS. We certainly lost 4 IRON ships in the explosion, not sure about others.
Anyway, killmail postings take time. Loosing your ship often causes pilots to logout in frustration, and everyone knows that DD killmails take upto 30 minutes to appear sometimes. Hopefully we'll know the true casualty rate in a few days.
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VekkTor
Legionari
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 12:42:00 -
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if u want a report
ive been blown in that DD (choo choo)
the thing all went how it was supposed to go, an hostile gang (not 3 ships) warped at range, BoBs were aligned and warped out, we've been told to do as well, but there was a large bubble on the station and some support was inside, and some BoB pilots didn't warp yet as well.
Shrike did a ninja warp and i said myself "wooohooo DD screenies!" ^^
id post a screen but meh there's too much infos about us in it 
btw:
1. DD isn't the "i just own reds" weapon
2. imho u should check friendly AND enemy kms
3. being a Independant News Agent is a BIG responsability, bigger than firing a DD on 5+ friendly bses
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Aceformat
British Space Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.19 12:47:00 -
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Question for Husari Painen why be called "Independant" when it is completely obvious you're another spin measure, attemping to propogate propoganda from "One of your soucres".
Yet another obvious D2/-A-/CA/RA/GOON/IRON whoever else is on the bandwagon's, attempt at forums propoganda, weak at that!!
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Husari Painen
Independant News Agency
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: VekkTor
if u want a report
ive been blown in that DD (choo choo)
the thing all went how it was supposed to go, an hostile gang (not 3 ships) warped at range, BoBs were aligned and warped out, we've been told to do as well, but there was a large bubble on the station and some support was inside, and some BoB pilots didn't warp yet as well.
Shrike did a ninja warp and i said myself "wooohooo DD screenies!" ^^
id post a screen but meh there's too much infos about us in it
btw:
1. DD isn't the "i just own reds" weapon
2. imho u should check friendly AND enemy kms
3. being a Independant News Agent is a BIG responsability, bigger than firing a DD on 5+ friendly bses
So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied?
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The Assyrian
Mound of Severed Heads
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Husari Painen
Originally by: VekkTor
if u want a report
ive been blown in that DD (choo choo)
the thing all went how it was supposed to go, an hostile gang (not 3 ships) warped at range, BoBs were aligned and warped out, we've been told to do as well, but there was a large bubble on the station and some support was inside, and some BoB pilots didn't warp yet as well.
Shrike did a ninja warp and i said myself "wooohooo DD screenies!" ^^
id post a screen but meh there's too much infos about us in it
btw:
1. DD isn't the "i just own reds" weapon
2. imho u should check friendly AND enemy kms
3. being a Independant News Agent is a BIG responsability, bigger than firing a DD on 5+ friendly bses
So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied?
Would you say that you're more of an idiot than a transparent troll? Right now it's pretty much 50/50. And is everything you write this lame, or are there a few things differently lame?
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Breaka
The Clearwater Society
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:12:00 -
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Yes, Mr. Independentreporterbutt. Shrike wants FIX to die lotses and lotses. Of course BoB wants to kill off FIX...that's why they are there helping us.
Retard
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Sardukon
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Husari Painen
Originally by: VekkTor
if u want a report
ive been blown in that DD (choo choo)
the thing all went how it was supposed to go, an hostile gang (not 3 ships) warped at range, BoBs were aligned and warped out, we've been told to do as well, but there was a large bubble on the station and some support was inside, and some BoB pilots didn't warp yet as well.
Shrike did a ninja warp and i said myself "wooohooo DD screenies!" ^^
id post a screen but meh there's too much infos about us in it
btw:
1. DD isn't the "i just own reds" weapon
2. imho u should check friendly AND enemy kms
3. being a Independant News Agent is a BIG responsability, bigger than firing a DD on 5+ friendly bses
So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied?
Change your corp name to "Fox News" please.
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Mariko San
Saints Surrounded
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hermia
Its news worthy because BOB are perceived to have god like strategy, this mistake is interesting.
I think it all depends on who was piloting Shrike that day, I understand the quality varies quite a bit from TZ to TZ. 
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DTee
The Huns
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:20:00 -
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Your an idiot.
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hybridundertaker
Amarr
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:22:00 -
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play it again shrike
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Fredbob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Husari Painen
So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied?
While I find the idea of an independant "news" reporter in Eve an interesting idea, I feel posts like this shred all the respect and proffessionalism required for such a position. Please for your own sake, if you wish to play the role of a reporter, do it in the style of a TV correspondant not a Daily Sport column typist. loaded questions, slanted questions and throwing your own personal views do nothing for what you are trying to acheive.
and on a forum, it's trolling/baiting a negative response
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Herculite on 19/02/2007 13:28:47
Originally by: Sardukon
Change your corp name to "Fox News" please.
Actually unidentified character, a UCLA study showed Fox News to be the most balanced news program in the US in terms of left-right bias. They had only one program that was rated slightly biased right. It was far more centrist than any other network. Your flame would have been more accurate if you said 'Change your corp name to 'CBS News please'.
mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/MediaBias.doc
We report, you decide
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Hani EQ
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:49:00 -
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Would you ever have expected that Fix is willing to take losses from friendly fire to defend our home? Shocking isn't it. Unlike some gutless alliances out there, Fix will actually fight and take losses, even when outnumbered and outgunned, most will only fight when they have clear superiority in numbers and firepower... Weak, just like your claim to be independant. News agenies don't have opinions, they don't don't use leading questions and they don't stray away from the facts into speculation.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:54:00 -
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**** happens. Hardly thread worthy.
Originally by: Ice Conch
In soviet russia, soap drops you!
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Limlox
Caldari
Anti-BoB Flash Mob
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Posted - 2007.02.19 13:59:00 -
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Possibly an unfortunate accident, or maybe a strategic sacrifice.
All I can say is keep it up
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Husari Painen
I have recieved a report from one of my sources in the southern regions conflict.
On 18.02.2007 om 15:41 EVE time Shrike fired off his doomsday device close to the ED- station. There were about 15+ FIX and BOB pilots that died in the blast. Attackers lost about 3 ships, maybe even less.
I have a question for Shrike:
- Why firing a weapon when the grid is full of your allies? A large bubble was confirmed on station with many FIX tacklers stuck in it.
And question for victims:
- Why don't you post losses caused by friendly fire? FIX posted only 3 losses in grid full of ships. Are friendly fire losses ignored?
[b]Independant[/ib] News Agency?
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
Independant News Agency?
Clearly this is much bigger news than D2/IRON/RAWR/RZR loosing 15 dreads the same day... hehe.. 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:35:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Husari Painen
I have recieved a report from one of my sources in the southern regions conflict.
On 18.02.2007 om 15:41 EVE time Shrike fired off his doomsday device close to the ED- station. There were about 15+ FIX and BOB pilots that died in the blast. Attackers lost about 3 ships, maybe even less.
I have a question for Shrike:
- Why firing a weapon when the grid is full of your allies? A large bubble was confirmed on station with many FIX tacklers stuck in it.
And question for victims:
- Why don't you post losses caused by friendly fire? FIX posted only 3 losses in grid full of ships. Are friendly fire losses ignored?
The question was for Shrike, but perhaps I can help correct your misinformation. Roughly about 15 friendlies were destroyed, for FIX that included two BS, the rest were support. I'm not sure exactly what ships BoB pilots lost.
Your count of 3 hostiles destroyed in the DD is off by a fairly wide margin. Looking at the BoB killboard, and looking up Shrike and the kills he acquired at the time of the DD going off in ED-L9T, you'll find that 17 hostile BS were destroyed in the blast, a fair few support were also destroyed ofc.
I believe we lost 5 BS and a few T1 support ships.
The ratio was still over 3:1, so not bad IMO.
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Husari Painen
Independant News Agency
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:44:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The ratio was still over 3:1, so not bad IMO.
You are calling 3:1 in favour of own losses a good ratio? Or are you saying that Shrike killed 3 times more hostile ships with his DD then FI and BOB ships? In that case I suggest looking at killboards again, becouse what you are saying is not the truth.
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Ordinaire
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Husari Painen
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The ratio was still over 3:1, so not bad IMO.
You are calling 3:1 in favour of own losses a good ratio? Or are you saying that Shrike killed 3 times more hostile ships with his DD then FI and BOB ships? In that case I suggest looking at killboards again, becouse what you are saying is not the truth.
http://www.killboard.net/player/Shrike/kills/
15 bs killed. FIX lose 5. That is 3:1.
Have you ever finished elementary school?
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Limlox
Caldari
Anti-BoB Flash Mob
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:51:00 -
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I hate to repeat what others have said, but you do seem a little one sided.
I prefer news statements to be down the middle.
On the wagon
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Weatherman
Gallente
Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.19 15:02:00 -
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Quote:
- Why firing a weapon when the grid is full of your allies? A large bubble was confirmed on station with many FIX tacklers stuck in it.
OMG!!! We're like, totally not gonna even be friends anymore after this!!! Thanks independent propaganda guy you made FIX see the light.
For those of you that are slow, I'm being sarcastic. An engagement where we lose 1 ship for every 3 of theirs is fine with me, I don't care how it happens. The whole point of war is to sacrifice some of your ships in order to kill more of theirs. This isn't news, it's propaganda.
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Rivers Kelak
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.19 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Rivers Kelak on 19/02/2007 15:03:44
Edited by: Rivers Kelak on 19/02/2007 15:03:23
I hate to say it...
But you're one sided Mr. News Man, you're probably an alt, it's sad. Stop making crappy useless propaganda and type up battle reports instead. You might agree with what I agree with, I'm against BOB, but I don't want to hear my side try to do this and play it off as "neutral". Just stop dude.
If you need anyone to talk to about your rage I'm available for sexes chat every night.
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Ander
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 15:09:00 -
[38]
BoB like to blame the fact that their kill-losses are missing on a "brand new, but buggy" killboard...
Oh, and then when someone points this out to them. People recieve lots of hatemail telling them to STFU.
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Husari Painen
Independant News Agency
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Posted - 2007.02.19 15:15:00 -
[39]
Read the post above.
BOB doesn't post all kills, it's a known fact. Number of FIX and BOB wrecks after DD was counted and 5 is not the number. You will have to use many more hands to count those losses. My guess is that BOB pets take it after the example and just don't post their losses to friendly fire all the time. Part of tactics not to look silly when you shoot 17 allied ships and kill far less hostiles.
We deliver the news, you live with them |
Plim
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.19 15:38:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Herculite
Edited by: Herculite on 19/02/2007 13:28:47
Originally by: Sardukon
Change your corp name to "Fox News" please.
Actually unidentified character, a UCLA study showed Fox News to be the most balanced news program in the US in terms of left-right bias. They had only one program that was rated slightly biased right. It was far more centrist than any other network. Your flame would have been more accurate if you said 'Change your corp name to 'CBS News please'.
mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/MediaBias.doc
We report, you decide
Fox news and balanced do not easily go into the same sentence. I'm quite surprised your keyboard didn't actually expload and inbed the enter key in your face.
Anyway on the topic at hand. Didn't Cyvok have a friendly fire incident and get subjected to like a dozen pages of flames calling him noob/idiot/baby eater and such?
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Husari Painen
Independant News Agency
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Posted - 2007.02.19 15:57:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Plim
Anyway on the topic at hand. Didn't Cyvok have a friendly fire incident and get subjected to like a dozen pages of flames calling him noob/idiot/baby eater and such?
Bingo! I guess BOB plans to kill their slaves and it was not an accident
There are two sides of each coin, I guess BOB never flipped theirs.
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ALPHA12125
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.19 16:00:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
Independant News Agency?
Clearly this is much bigger news than D2/IRON/RAWR/RZR loosing 15 dreads the same day... hehe..
just quoting him
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Aypse
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 16:17:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Husari Painen
Read the post above.
BOB doesn't post all kills, it's a known fact. Number of FIX and BOB wrecks after DD was counted and 5 is not the number. You will have to use many more hands to count those losses. My guess is that BOB pets take it after the example and just don't post their losses to friendly fire all the time. Part of tactics not to look silly when you shoot 17 allied ships and kill far less hostiles.
If you are going to run 'independent news' reports, try to seperate fact from opinion and speculation. Independent news reports post opinions..thats ok....but professional ones clearly seperate them AS opinions.
Or
Just stop pretending to be an 'independent' news source m8. Noone is fooled. We all see what you are, even the anti-Bob's. Why not just post with your main and take a stance already? Hate Bob? Then stand up tall and say so with your main. Until you stop hiding behind an alt, you really should just rename your corp to the "Anonymous Alt News and Propaganda Agency." At least then people might listen to you because you are, at the very least, representing yourself accurately.
There realy isn't anything wrong with writing propganda, if thats what you want to do. Lots of people enjoy reading it, me included. So why bother with the 'independent' claim? Stand up tall and draw a line in the sand against the 'evil forces of Bob and their pets.' At least I can respect those that stand up for their beliefs, even if I think they are wrong.
Then again, considering CAOD, you will more likely just flame me and continue to try and fool those that believe everything they read on the internet. If thats the case, then carry on my brother, carry on.
Originally by: Oveur
Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.19 16:18:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Aypse
Originally by: Husari Painen
Read the post above.
BOB doesn't post all kills, it's a known fact. Number of FIX and BOB wrecks after DD was counted and 5 is not the number. You will have to use many more hands to count those losses. My guess is that BOB pets take it after the example and just don't post their losses to friendly fire all the time. Part of tactics not to look silly when you shoot 17 allied ships and kill far less hostiles.
If you are going to run 'independent news' reports, try to seperate fact from opinion and speculation. Independent news reports post opinions..thats ok....but professional ones clearly seperate them AS opinions.
Or
Just stop pretending to be an 'independent' news source m8. Noone is fooled. We all see what you are, even the anti-Bob's. Why not just post with your main and take a stance already? Hate Bob? Then stand up tall and say so with your main. Until you stop hiding behind an alt, you really should just rename your corp to the "Anonymous Alt News and Propaganda Agency." At least then people might listen to you because you are, at the very least, representing yourself accurately.
There realy isn't anything wrong with writing propganda, if thats what you want to do. Lots of people enjoy reading it, me included. So why bother with the 'independent' claim? Stand up tall and draw a line in the sand against the 'evil forces of Bob and their pets.' At least I can respect those that stand up for their beliefs, even if I think they are wrong.
Then again, considering CAOD, you will more likely just flame me and continue to try and fool those that believe everything they read on the internet. If thats the case, then carry on my brother, carry on.
pwned
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Manfred Sideous
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 16:22:00 -
[45]
Keep going keep going keep telling yourself that you can beat BOB!
Really go go go!!!
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Aariss
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 16:23:00 -
[46]
News Flash.. squirel found shot in central park.. police investigating but reports said the donut shop is out of donuts
Police cheif had this to say
"Hey **** happens!"
That is all..
Look mom i made a press release
So he missed.. give him credit.. it's like trying to shoot a fly with a nuke and not having any casulties! Hey atleast he got 3 flies
Cya on the field LV
Some people are like slinkies... good for nothing but fun to push down the stairs
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Uggs386
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.19 16:31:00 -
[47]
please just stop beating around the bush, and change corp name to Northern Propaganda Agency.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 16:39:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Plim
Fox news and balanced do not easily go into the same sentence. I'm quite surprised your keyboard didn't actually expload and inbed the enter key in your face.
Try reading that link, you might learn something if you are intelligent.
As for the OP, it happens, its war, Cyvok was flamed for his DD because it was the first DD ever used and it was used poorly. I think he got one good shot off before losing his titan.
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2007.02.19 16:40:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Ackath
And this is news worthy why exactly?
Plus I think you need to change your corp, you are not independent.
I don't know about news.. but I'd certainly call it Irony considering how much smack was tossed off by BOB members when Cyvok caught some friendlies in his first DD blast. 
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Opium
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:10:00 -
[50]
in a court of law in any univers if ur found to be a liar in any way then nothing u say after is credible... u have been convicted by the devs u are all liars from bob or any affiliated with them, nothing u dsay or do is cradible in this game ever nothing u do or achieve is to believed achieved in an honest or courageous way,,,, and i say just like enron u should be shut down all assets frozen all stations locked, concorde should be flying after any and all bob in all systems to make the game believed to be credible... untill them we the clients of eve will try to police the police
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Zell
Caldari
The Black Raptors
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:12:00 -
[51]
This just in from the independant news agency..
"Maybe.."
"I just heard"
"unconfirmed reports"
"I guess that"
"Could it be that,.."
"I have received a report that.."
See a pattern developing here Scully?
This just in , reports have it that we went to different schools together, more later..
"We deliver the BS, you read it...."
Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:41:00 -
[52]
All you nublets still spouting off about this reporter who already outted himself. 
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:59:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Herculite
Try reading that link, you might learn something if you are intelligent.
As for the OP, it happens, its war, Cyvok was flamed for his DD because it was the first DD ever used and it was used poorly. I think he got one good shot off before losing his titan.
I just read the report you linked, and although I know this is off-topic to the OP's discussion, the OP is just trolling so I don't feel bad.
Comparing media outlets to the statements of congressmen, although interesting, is not a good measure of bias.
A better measure would be to compare the statements of the news agency to what was later established as truth afterwards. The more times a media outlet reports news for possible political purposes that they when pressed later would admit was not true, the more biased it is.
Another problem with using congress as a measure is that it keeps changing. That report done in September 2003 would in fact have very different results in 2007 due to the change in the party balance in congress. Having your standard for bias change so drastically and rapidly does not lend itself to an accurate measure of what truth is in the news.
Also, I know it would have been more difficult to include editorials and opinion pieces in the study, but those are probably the place where institutional bias becomes most clear in a media outlet, so their exclusion from the study leaves something to be desired.
Comparing news reports to congressional views is a worthy topic to study, especially soon after an election to determine how in step the views of the media and the electoral views of the voting public are, but it is hardly a good measure of left-right bias.
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:59:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Herculite
Try reading that link, you might learn something if you are intelligent.
As for the OP, it happens, its war, Cyvok was flamed for his DD because it was the first DD ever used and it was used poorly. I think he got one good shot off before losing his titan.
I just read the report you linked, and although I know this is off-topic to the OP's discussion, the OP is just trolling so I don't feel bad.
Comparing media outlets to the statements of congressmen, although interesting, is not a good measure of bias.
A better measure would be to compare the statements of the news agency to what was later established as truth afterwards. The more times a media outlet reports news for possible political purposes that they when pressed later would admit was not true, the more biased it is.
Another problem with using congress as a measure is that it keeps changing. That report done in September 2003 would in fact have very different results in 2007 due to the change in the party balance in congress. Having your standard for bias change so drastically and rapidly does not lend itself to an accurate measure of what truth is in the news.
Also, I know it would have been more difficult to include editorials and opinion pieces in the study, but those are probably the place where institutional bias becomes most clear in a media outlet, so their exclusion from the study leaves something to be desired.
Comparing news reports to congressional views is a worthy topic to study, especially soon after an election to determine how in step the views of the media and the electoral views of the voting public are, but it is hardly a good measure of left-right bias.
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Blumpkin
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Posted - 2007.02.19 18:38:00 -
[55]
[i]So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied?
Sounds like your reporting news from the other side "Independant News reporter" It is a small price to pay to defend our home.
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Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.19 18:51:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Empyre on 19/02/2007 18:48:05
so what i've gathered so far..
the independent news agency is actually faux news &
they lean in favor of the coalition
..so the coalition are republicans? it's all starting to make so much more sense now!
(ps. relax, it's a joke)
People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue. |
OozoO
Caldari
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.19 18:59:00 -
[57]
its funny how people get so upset when he starts posting 
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:14:00 -
[58]
not a bid deal Chowdown has been doing this for a long time
who would post a friendly kill anyways?
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Huge Ox
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:21:00 -
[59]
Tbh if you were independant i would expect to see unbiased reports for/against both sides so far all i have seen is thinly veiled smack against BoB and LV+ alies.
but then what do you expect from what at best could be termed gutter news.
How about instead of sources you come down and do some real reporting if this was rl journalists would be cutting each others throats for a chance to report from the front lines and i'm sure everyone would respect the nuetrality you have shown so far.
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Don Yokushi
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:24:00 -
[60]
In my mind, your corporation compares to that of FOX News. "Fair and balanced". Right.
I highly suggest you edit your first post in order to reflect the truth which has been posted by everyone else.
Also, losing some of your own units to blow up your enemies is common. In EVE, Russian war tactics are used. Who cares if you lose some of your own men while taking out the enemy? You've got even more men sitting elsewhere ready to be sent to fight.
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fallen merovigean
KDM Corp
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:32:00 -
[61]
the next huge war all of eve vs INA ? how will the news be reported then ? DD was fired in jita killing 2 friendlys and 1 news reporter, the collertal dam - 600 noobs, oh now were killing newbs along with hostiles and friendlys...............aHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH save the noobs. I report you decide.
[url=http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=60246]
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:37:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 19/02/2007 19:44:19
Originally by: Husari Painen
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The ratio was still over 3:1, so not bad IMO.
You are calling 3:1 in favour of own losses a good ratio? Or are you saying that Shrike killed 3 times more hostile ships with his DD then FI and BOB ships? In that case I suggest looking at killboards again, becouse what you are saying is not the truth.
Battleship kills, enemy: 17.
Battleship losses, friendly: 5.
17/5 is roughly 3.
The friendly losses were not even BoB's fault; they were a mistake by our command due to miscommunication. I mean, come on, this is ridiculous; Band of Brothers kills 15 dreadnoughts in a day and you whine about whether they accidentally killed half a dozen friendly, mostly T1-fitted ships?
So when Goonfleet loses an entire fleet of T1 battleships it "doesn't matter", but when FIX loses five, its a huge deal and should be argued about for pages and pages?
Besides, its five bloody battleships. We probably lose more than that each day due to people undocking without asking whether the station is camped.
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:37:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 19/02/2007 19:37:27
Originally by: Husari Painen
Originally by: VekkTor
if u want a report
ive been blown in that DD (choo choo)
the thing all went how it was supposed to go, an hostile gang (not 3 ships) warped at range, BoBs were aligned and warped out, we've been told to do as well, but there was a large bubble on the station and some support was inside, and some BoB pilots didn't warp yet as well.
Shrike did a ninja warp and i said myself "wooohooo DD screenies!" ^^
id post a screen but meh there's too much infos about us in it
btw:
1. DD isn't the "i just own reds" weapon
2. imho u should check friendly AND enemy kms
3. being a Independant News Agent is a BIG responsability, bigger than firing a DD on 5+ friendly bses
So Shrike fired disregarding allies after BOB warped off? And ended up killing more of FIX then hostiles? Would you say that Shrike didn't care or that you failed to listen to orders? And do you feel protected with titan in system or do you have to be scared every time he uncloaks even though you are allied?
Wow, you guys are starting to sound like FOX news (Hmm someone else feels the same)... I don't listen to their garbage, INA is in the same bin now. Change your name to TNA... T, for troll
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Weka Dart
Caldari
Banned of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:41:00 -
[64]
*snip* Do not troll. -Elmo Pug ([email protected])
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Manfred Sideous
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:45:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Weka Dart
We did not intend to kill FIX.
You can't really classify it as 'friendly fire' anyway.
'Meatshield Fire' wud be a better phrase.
We tank well!!!
While BOB our DPS throws more dots more dots more dots!!!
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Won Swunglow
Dead By Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.19 20:18:00 -
[66]
This Shrike person is my hero, she seems to be able to play eve 23/7... Man i wish i could do that 
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.19 20:22:00 -
[67]
People still arguing with the "reporter" should probably read here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=478763
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DaveyE
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.19 21:53:00 -
[68]
Well my Megathron got it in that Blast (curse you Shrike) :))
I made it back to the POS with 2% structure and wooped with joy and 2 secs later
BOOOOOOOOOM and Davey starts bubblin - I loved that ship, I really did
sigh
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.19 22:47:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Herculite
Edited by: Herculite on 19/02/2007 13:28:47
Originally by: Sardukon
Change your corp name to "Fox News" please.
Actually unidentified character, a UCLA study showed Fox News to be the most balanced news program in the US in terms of left-right bias. They had only one program that was rated slightly biased right. It was far more centrist than any other network. Your flame would have been more accurate if you said 'Change your corp name to 'CBS News please'.
mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/MediaBias.doc
We report, you decide
If it wouldn't get modded, I'd post why exactly Fox isn't the propaganda machine its opponents claim it to be...
Well I think I just summed it up.
Question for BoB, D2, aAa, and anyone else with a Titan:
How many manhours of mining go into getting the supplies for a single blast?
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Salda
Smoke Hurricane
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Posted - 2007.02.19 22:55:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Salda on 19/02/2007 22:53:33
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Herculite
Edited by: Herculite on 19/02/2007 13:28:47
Originally by: Sardukon
Change your corp name to "Fox News" please.
Actually unidentified character, a UCLA study showed Fox News to be the most balanced news program in the US in terms of left-right bias. They had only one program that was rated slightly biased right. It was far more centrist than any other network. Your flame would have been more accurate if you said 'Change your corp name to 'CBS News please'.
mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/MediaBias.doc
We report, you decide
If it wouldn't get modded, I'd post why exactly Fox isn't the propaganda machine its opponents claim it to be...
Well I think I just summed it up.
Question for BoB, D2, aAa, and anyone else with a Titan:
How many manhours of mining go into getting the supplies for a single blast?
Well, Based on in game information, a DD takes 75k racial isotopes. Judgement on the Avatar uses helium, you can buy 75k for about 17M isk in heimitar (229pu). Market history shows it recently averaged 160 for several million units, which would only be 12M per blast.
How long does it take to mine 17M isk, i dunno, 20 minutes?
Salda
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Blumpkin
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Posted - 2007.02.20 00:57:00 -
[71]
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.20 01:05:00 -
[72]
THIS JUST IN!
Husari Painen is a ****er who trys to stuff some horse s**T news story down everyone's throat meanwhile his main's alliance is getting waxed in every way!
News at 11: Husari Painen enjoys the pleasurable company of mutant livestock - tune in!
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Husari Painen
Independant News Agency
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Posted - 2007.02.20 01:16:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Wylker
THIS JUST IN!
Husari Painen is a ****er who trys to stuff some horse s**T news story down everyone's throat meanwhile his main's alliance is getting waxed in every way!
News at 11: Husari Painen enjoys the pleasurable company of mutant livestock - tune in!
Hi Seleene, too late now girl, your real face is exposed... and it ain't pretty... quite the opposite. I guess your bootlickers still can't face the thruth that you are as honorable as a european politician.
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Talen Reaper
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Posted - 2007.02.20 01:16:00 -
[74]
I was in the system when bob showed up it was quite an amazing sight and it created a huge lag spike I couldn't do anything to escape as my ship wouldn't respond I was popped & podded in seconds ...several others at the gate got away so the lag could just be associated to the network each player is on....
I know that when the fc`s started giving orders a lot of our pilots were complaining about the sudden spike in lag ( a 100 or so ships appearing suddenly can do that to a node) bob seemed to be able to group quickly and get to there assigned targets .
I haven't been in many fleet operations this big in a long time and it seems the lag is no were near as bad as it was in 2004/5 ..when I was last in actions like this .
bob could have deployed the dd sooner and had a much bigger impact on the battle as far as losses go why he diden`t I have no idea maby we will get a report on that later.
1 other thing that many haven't commented on is the fact the the coalition or anti bob or what ever tag the forces fighting bob (and this is about bob ) haven't had a long time of working together as time goes on the anti bob forces will get better ..we have all seen bob`s best there tactics wont grow from just getting a Level of trust that the antibob`s will get as time goes by.
another thing is just the sheer amount of anger/distrust that has grown in eve in general it seems to many that the playing field that we all pay for has been tilted to one side ..this may or not be true but thats the perception ....for some I am sure not all
I for 1 will have as much fun in this war as I can & hopefully will learn much ..
the bob allies are taking the brunt of the attacks & most of the losses Fix for all there posting here are taking a pounding but they haven't given up it seems that bob chooses there allies well..
this war EvE 1 as many have dubbed it will go on for a long time & there will be a reshaping of OO space & the powers that govern ..how that reshaping comes into being will be very interesting .
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Haren Saalsejuk
Impel Industrial
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Posted - 2007.02.20 01:36:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Husari Painen
Originally by: Wylker
THIS JUST IN!
Husari Painen is a ****er who trys to stuff some horse s**T news story down everyone's throat meanwhile his main's alliance is getting waxed in every way!
News at 11: Husari Painen enjoys the pleasurable company of mutant livestock - tune in!
Hi Seleene, too late now girl, your real face is exposed... and it ain't pretty... quite the opposite. I guess your bootlickers still can't face the thruth that you are as honorable as a european politician.
Independent, not -dant. Truth, not 'thruth'. Also, 'news' is a singular, not plural, so you should alter your snappy one-liner to "it" and not "them." Also, you should remove the word "we" and replace it with "I", and strike the word "news" and replace it with "random crap." Also, your broad casting of European politicians as particularly dishonorable ignores the fact that all politicians are at some point dishonorable, such as when they stoop to hiring pawns to sit in press conferences and ask questions that makes the whole room roll its eyes.
Oh, wait. Is your whole existence an ironic commentary on so-called impartial news agencies? You got the sanctimonious attitude, the poor grasp of language, and the obvious-but-frequently-denied slant down almost perfectly. Well done, Sir. Well done.
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VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.20 02:19:00 -
[76]
Please do not flame -Targoviste([email protected])
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.20 02:21:00 -
[77]
Please do not flame -Targoviste([email protected])
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VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.20 02:22:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Haren Saalsejuk
Please do not flame -Targoviste([email protected])
That seems kind of racist.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.20 02:24:00 -
[79]
Originally by: VinceNoir
Originally by: Haren Saalsejuk
Please do not flame -Targoviste([email protected])
That seems kind of racist.
Vince, get the heck out of my thread of victory, not only can I come out as being a Seleene alt, but I am trying to find out WHERE all the good livestock is being stored. I was hoping he would tell, but he wants it all for himself it seems. 
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Talen Reaper
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.20 05:23:00 -
[80]
now that I put my info back in settings ya want to return my post
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Trinity Faetal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.20 07:12:00 -
[81]
dont feed the independant new reporter
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Minigin
Caldari
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.20 07:20:00 -
[82]
i dont think this is a huge issue. stuff like this happens... and we dont need to hear about it... really the cost of a few bs's is nothing in the grand scheme of this war!
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Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:58:00 -
[83]
*snip* - keep it on topic please. -Ivan K
People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue |
Griefer Troll
Troll Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.21 22:15:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Griefer Troll on 21/02/2007 22:19:04
Originally by: Weebear
If you check BoB's killboard, they have never hidden from posting friendly fire incidents from their DD weapon before.
Ah that's where you're going wrong.
*snip* not needed - hutch
However to be balanced, that applies to most killboards anywhere.
Simply cross-check killboards against the eve-map kill stats to see how utterly bogus and padded they are.
During the ASCN war BoB were routinely posting more 'kills' on their board from one 'battle' than had occurred in 24 hours in total in that system.
I think having alot of killboard points keeps people from feeling lonely when they are home-alone shooting POS on christmas day. To each his own.
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Griefer Troll
Troll Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.21 22:31:00 -
[85]
If you suspect someone of cheating, please feel free to petition it and let the GMs investigate it. Please avoid discussing it on the forums however. I also point you to this topic. -Ivan K
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.21 23:35:00 -
[86]
Wow... has this thread ever spiralled downward... actually I don't really mean that, it didn't have much in the way of content to begin with.
/goes off to look for unbiased reporting (fat chance of finding it)
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Veras Mendacity
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 00:03:00 -
[87]
I had to log off and go to sleep at 4 a.m., just as this was developing. So I came to the forums tonight specifically to find out what happened. Thanks for the news item. The critics can go to Jita for all I care.
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titanstory
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Posted - 2007.02.22 02:43:00 -
[88]
Posting with an unidentified character in this forum is prohibited, if you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.22 09:02:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Apolyon I
Edited by: Apolyon I on 19/02/2007 11:13:12
Originally by: Imperil
But for not posting losses, well, most alliances does not post losses.
FIX policy is alway post lost regardless what it is, so if some guys in FIX dont post their own lost, dont blame the whole alliance. I think lots of alliance having the policy to post lost as well but due to personal pride, some dont post it.
About the DD friendly blast, we're already had had order to warp out well before it happen on TS and gang chat. The problem is some people still hanging out in the bubble dont know what is fun for or some lagging too much to do anything when hostile fleet warped in, ie., in my personal case, I was lagging like hell when my Rokh blow up and entering my pod, so I lost pod to the DD.
Although there were certain... discrepancy's between the iron and FIX killboards at the start of our first war... I will say that recently they have been pretty good about posting their losses, Shame theres no killmail from fighters...
And as far as your sig goes Apolyon, i know your pain, i hear your name called primary early.. right about the time that im also copping a face full of arty and railgun fire T_T We should lead a red vs blue revolt.. get all the guys with A in their name to fly 4 plates and a damage control... maybe then the z guys will hurt a bit?
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Aira Phlux
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:13:00 -
[90]
LOL you want to trying being an "Ai" thats fricken ouch ... "Ap" is a walk in the park :P
Lightning fast ships ftw
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