Max virus strength is too important to consider using these. ... These are an example of something that could be balanced by rarity. Mirror the T2 stats, but aim for a high price tag...

One thing I have to ask though: Why incorporate 3 of the 4 high-tech items and not all 4?

I don't see these new modules being used that much. They are too bad in performance to be an option.
If a new faction analyzer had the current Tech2 stats for both datas and relics, i would totally use it (even if it is expensive)

Why would you want to hack data sites? They only drop worthless cr*p anyway.

Hi all.

After releasing some information regarding this during Fanfest, I'd like to get your feedback on two new Storyline exploration modules.

I propose to release two new mid slot 'hacking' modules, that can open both Data and Relic containers.
This would free up a mid slot for all explorers who wish to use these modules, rather then having to fit both the Data and Relic Analyzers separately.
However as these modules would combine two separate 'functions' together, they will be less effective generally than their individual, specialised counterparts.

The BPC's for these modules would drop from all Data exploration sites.
The GÇÿLigatureGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer BPC would drop from the lower end Info Shard and Com Tower containers, while the GÇÿZeugmaGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer BPC would drop from the higher end Mainframe and Databank containers.


Now on to the stats.

GÇÿLigatureGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer

Volume5 m3
Activation Cost20 GJ
Optimal Range5000 m
Activation Time / Duration10 seconds
Virus Coherence30
Virus Strength15
Virus Utility Element Slots2
Tech Level1
CPU usage25


GÇÿZeugmaGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer

Volume5 m3
Activation Cost20 GJ
Optimal Range6000 m
Activation Time / Duration10 seconds
Virus Coherence 50
Virus Strength20
Virus Utility Element Slots2
Tech Level2
CPU usage30



To manufacture these modules, you will require the following:


GÇÿLigatureGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer

Relic Analyzer I x1
Data Analyzer I x1
High-Tech Data Chipx500
High-Tech Manufacturing Tools x500
High-Tech Scanner x500


GÇÿZeugmaGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer

Relic Analyzer II x1
Data Analyzer II x1
High-Tech Data Chipx1000
High-Tech Manufacturing Tools x1000
High-Tech Scanner x1000

You will also require both of the same Data and Relic skills that the Tech I and Tech II current analyzers use.

That's it for now, please share your thoughts, ideas and concerns.

Fly safe, (and thanks for an awesome Fanfest yet again)
CCP RedDawn

Tldr, reduce coherence, reduce slot for utility, but do not reduce virus strength unless you want to kill the module before birth.

* In regards to the overall combination of both data and relic sites, I'd much rather introduce a higher level of variance to both of the hacking variations overall than combine them together. The hacking game itself has so much more depth potential which I wish to revisit in the future

I think you need to improve hacking game first then introduce new modules.

* I get the concerns with the lower strength, but I don't want to make the GÇÿZeugmaGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer (the stronger one) the 'always go-to' option. They have to have some limitations with their dual benefit. (I already see that players are skilled enough in the hacking game that the loss of a utility element slot might not be so detrimental on its own)

I think a better way to achieve the goal of making a useful combined module would be to give it equal strength/coherence to the specialized modules, but much higher fitting costs than two of them - you need 50 cpu and 2 pg to run a t2 relic and data analyzer, so the combined module could maybe take 70 cpu and 5 pg, so you're trading midslots for fitting space.

GÇÿZeugmaGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer

- virus strength of a T1 analyzer
- coherence between T1 and T2
- only 2 instead of 3 utility slots
- 5 more CPU compared to a single T2, 25 less than both modules

Hmmm... most exploration ships -- including some Interceptors -- have no issue fitting both analyzers.

I can't help feeling that these modules try to fill a niche that in reality isn't there.

With the reduced coherence/strength compared to a T2 module this new module is pretty much out of question for Interceptors. Those exploration hulls who don't have enough midslots for both 'traditional' analyzers have enough cargo for a mobile depot.

Personally I don't see the little bit of convenience that the Zeugma adds being worth the downsides. Less CPU is nice but exploration ships generally aren't very tight on CPU to begin with unless fitted with Expanded Probe Launchers.

Edited for clarity:

How about
- single scriptable module
- coherence and strength on par with existing T2 modules
- 2 utility slots
- between 60 or 70 CPU requirement to not be OP
end edit


GÇÿLigatureGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer is so weak compared to a T1 I see no use whatsoever.

I get the concerns with the lower strength, but I don't want to make the GÇÿZeugmaGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer (the stronger one) the 'always go-to' option. They have to have some limitations with their dual benefit.

Small Arms just don't make enough contextual sense to be included in the building materials
In conjunction with these new modules, the Small Arms will be removed completely from the data site loot tables

Losing a little coherence is disappointing but bearable.
Losing virus strength is however a game breaker for these modules ...
Reducing the virus strength by 4,5,8, or 10 doesn't matter, it is a failed kill. So you haven't reduced the ligature by 5 at all, you have reduced it to/by an effective 10.

Interceptors with T2 analyser and no coherence rigs have more than 95% success rate on highest difficulty minigames

It's not just about the success rate for optimal play, but also about the speed with which one can hack and the attention one has to pay to the process. Or in other words, just how sub-optimal can play be and still result in a successful hack? If the combined module doesn't have as good stats as my Tech II separate ones, then I'm likely to stick with those.

I think nobody has noted yet the proposed loss of a virus utility slot? That makes matters somewhat worse still.

The one place where I could see a trade-off happening is in Optimal Range. So if there must be both, let the combined module have less range than the separated ones (because it needs to detect the type of site), but otherwise be equivalent.

Exactly : it's comfort (speed) vs a midslot. That's an interesting choice, especially because different ships may choose different solutions. If the combined module has the same stat as T2, it's a no brainer.

* Small Arms just don't make enough contextual sense to be included in the building materials
In conjunction with these new modules, the Small Arms will be removed completely from the data site loot tables

Please keep the feedback coming.

And if the combined module would cost 100 mil ISK? Or 200? Or 500? Would it still be a no-brainer??

Don't see a big demand for it. A new faction analyzer with the stats of both current tech2 analyzers on the other hand....

@Beta Maoye
The market is too volatile at the moment, because of this very anouncement, to take current prices for your math.
For example, you priced "High-Tech Manufacturing Tools" at 8,500 ISK. But there aren't even 1,000 units on market in Jita right now.
Calculations like these are pointless right now.

Exploration:

The drop rates of all High-Tech goods in exploration Data sites have been greatly reduced.

Exactly : it's comfort (speed) vs a midslot. That's an interesting choice, especially because different ships may choose different solutions. If the combined module has the same stat as T2, it's a no brainer.

I think you guys should just ask yourselves whether having separate modules for data and relic makes EVE a better or more interesting game. Personally, I don't see it.

Related - exploration is considered one of the beginner-friendly ways to play EVE. So there is some further argument for streamlining.

Thanks for all the thoughts so far. Couple of things:

* I get the concerns with the lower strength, but I don't want to make the GÇÿZeugmaGÇÖ Integrated Analyzer (the stronger one) the 'always go-to' option. They have to have some limitations with their dual benefit. (I already see that players are skilled enough in the hacking game that the loss of a utility element slot might not be so detrimental on its own)