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Omar Alharazaad
Nefarious Porpoise
3012
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Posted - 2016.08.01 23:57:21 -
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Mortlake wrote:I made the decision to unsub last week on all accounts. After a lot of thought it dawned on me that CCP doesn't like the color of my money. It was a sweeping, ill considered and unnecessary change to a long standing mechanic that ultimately massively negatively impacted not only my play style but that of others too.
No. You can't have my stuff. It's being buried with me.
Mort and Melvin signing off.
*shutdown jingle*
Pretty much in the same boat here.
Once the timers run down for my subs I'll retire to my crypt and take a very long nap amidst my treasure piles.
Then simply dream until the world changes for the better, or forever, whichever comes first.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
403
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Posted - 2016.08.02 14:35:09 -
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"As year of Inferno began, EVE's evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most "science fiction" of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as expansions went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species."
I had the "pleasure" to be around for the pre-crimewatch rut, the era of dec-shields and war-shedding.
It was a time when everyone just avoided conflict at any cost. (sound familiar?)
CCP did notice this and tried to fix this with crimewatch. But unfortunatly did not take into account that the flight response of eve players.
One example is the dec cost vs the cost of reforming a corp. (50m vs 5m) This made it a "win" to avoid wars and the capsuleers made use of this. The wardeccers answered by deccing more and more, just to have enough targets to support their gameplay. And it snowballed from there.
Then out of the blue, there was change/removal of a mechanic that was the last tool a wardeccing entity had to do focused wars. With no replacement. And here we are, the only viable wardeccing way is blanket dec everything and wait for the target to come to them. While corp and alliances fold with just a sniff of wars.
There was a hope Citadels would help, but from experience the target rather fold corp and sacrifice the Citadel then fight back or defend it.
My hope is that CCP will look at this once more.. like they did in 2012. Imho think the situation is worse now.
But while we wait, there a few things they could do...
1. Band-aid fix: tie old watchlist function with wardec's (not a fix for other issues)
- The main reason for the watchlist change was that it is free intel. With having to pay an ammount every week it would not be free intel anymore.
2. Change of locator mechanics to not run if offline (minimum requirement to be able to hunt with some sort of effeciency)
- Another reason for the watchlist change was privacy(?). Then... if your not online and playing, why should anyone be able to easily find out where you logged off?
3. Overall change of locator mechanic. (Could potentially fix several issues, depending on result.)
- There's several ideas on how this could work, the biggest job would be to figure out a new mechanic that covers all "issues" and conserns of everyone.
4. Observatory Stations - (major work? but in line with current "theme")
- Could work I guess.. imho would not like more structure grind and timers. Its also gonna favor the biggest blob.
5. Dont know if I dare say it.. revert the watchlist change. (I know they wont do it)
- And make sure all areas of eve is represented in CSM before just removing a mechanic without a replacement in place.
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
Archetype.
1632
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Posted - 2016.08.02 14:53:42 -
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If your citedal is up and your at war you can't disband Corp unless you want to forfeit all your stuff to Concord to be given to the aggressor as payment for he or she's initial payment for the war. This will deter Corp ship jumpers
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
403
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Posted - 2016.08.02 14:59:35 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:If your citedal is up and your at war you can't disband Corp unless you want to forfeit all your stuff to Concord to be given to the aggressor as payment for he or she's initial payment for the war. This will deter Corp ship jumpers
They cant disband corp with a Citadel in space, but they just leave an alt in said corp and move all stuff out of citadel with neutrals.And close corp as soon as Citadel is down. Have happen to us a couple of times now.. |
Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
Archetype.
1632
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Posted - 2016.08.02 16:00:36 -
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Lord Razpataz wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:If your citedal is up and your at war you can't disband Corp unless you want to forfeit all your stuff to Concord to be given to the aggressor as payment for he or she's initial payment for the war. This will deter Corp ship jumpers They cant disband corp with a Citadel in space, but they just leave an alt in said corp and move all stuff out of citadel with neutrals.And close corp as soon as Citadel is down. Have happen to us a couple of times now..
Hey it's just an idea, just trying to get the discussion started
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
405
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Posted - 2016.08.02 16:16:07 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Lord Razpataz wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:If your citedal is up and your at war you can't disband Corp unless you want to forfeit all your stuff to Concord to be given to the aggressor as payment for he or she's initial payment for the war. This will deter Corp ship jumpers They cant disband corp with a Citadel in space, but they just leave an alt in said corp and move all stuff out of citadel with neutrals.And close corp as soon as Citadel is down. Have happen to us a couple of times now.. Hey it's just an idea, just trying to get the discussion started
Hehe, I have nothing against ideas, but covering the dec cost when they sacrifice citadels(1b+) to get out of war is kinda feudal, isnt it?  |
Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
Archetype.
1633
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Posted - 2016.08.02 16:27:13 -
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Lord Razpataz wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:Lord Razpataz wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:If your citedal is up and your at war you can't disband Corp unless you want to forfeit all your stuff to Concord to be given to the aggressor as payment for he or she's initial payment for the war. This will deter Corp ship jumpers They cant disband corp with a Citadel in space, but they just leave an alt in said corp and move all stuff out of citadel with neutrals.And close corp as soon as Citadel is down. Have happen to us a couple of times now.. Hey it's just an idea, just trying to get the discussion started Hehe, I have nothing against ideas, but covering the dec cost when they sacrifice citadels(1b+) to get out of war is kinda feudal, isnt it?
Yea but the citedal in that case should be handed to the aggressor, as you fold Corp your giving up your right to own anything under said name and since citedals take forever to pull down, it should be placed in the hands of Concord hereby paying out the people your trying to avoid, hence a win for everyone. But Hopefully this deters Corp folding because of wars, and people just play in the sandbox.
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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Stoner Ed
Grain Fields Inc.
0
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Posted - 2016.08.04 09:08:46 -
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Lord Razpataz your analysis is spot on. With the watchlist changing to a buddy list its been made a lot harder to fight on multiple fronts for mercenary corporations forcing them to fish at the hubs and along the pipes. Actual hunting seems like a dying skill among those that practice the fishing. Actually it's been a dying skill well before the buddy list made its entry. I guess people more often then not choose the easy route as long as it gets them a kill. Mercs are no exception. Thus the fishing gained in popularity to the mess it is today.
From someone often on the receiving end of wardecs incl. those from merc corps like yours the buddy list has proven to be both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand you can't see if WT are online anymore but on the other hand neither can they see you. I didnt have a lot of trouble with it since I always asume my WT know where I am all the time, but some of my friends did since they relied to heavily on the info the watchlist provided. And I think thats where the problem lies.
Mercs and players in general relied way to much on the watchlist and now that its gone they have a hard time adapting and are bummed things have gotten harder. But I like things have gotten more difficult. Means effort, skill and a sense of accomplishment are on the increase for those that succesfully adapt.
Ofcourse I also have a PvP toon so I have a good idea what I'm talking about. With wars I always did it the old fashioned way and spent some time getting to know my targets. The whole 'Know your enemy" idea and all. And as a result I could always quickly locate a target and estimate the conditions at the target quite accuratly without using the watchlist, locators or neutral scouts. I'd like to see more people learn these things again. Back when you could see npc standings of characters you could often get a good estimate where they were living. Specially if they was missioners, right down to the individual station.
I'm sure you wont quit the pewpew and all but maybe see it as a challenge to get on top of this change and make it work for you guys. There are plenty of options. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Carpe Noctem.
Pandemic Legion
2674
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Posted - 2016.08.05 05:20:17 -
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As someone who tracked for years proof of CCP's secret pogrom of nerfs to hisec aggression mechanics (a mistaken attempt to increase subs by simply making EvE safer and easier for new players), I have zero faith they will reverse this new direct attack on hisec mercenary & wardec mechanics.
All of this has happened before, none of it is new, and it will all happen again.
The carebears have won.
F
Would you like to know more?
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Sol epoch
Addicted To Chaos
Archetype.
317
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Posted - 2016.08.05 18:33:22 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:As someone who tracked for years proof of CCP's secret pogrom of nerfs to hisec aggression mechanics (a mistaken attempt to increase subs by simply making EvE safer and easier for new players), I have zero faith they will reverse this new direct attack on hisec mercenary & wardec mechanics. All of this has happened before, none of it is new, and it will all happen again. The carebears have won. F
I feel your pain brother.
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Kaely Tanniss
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
631
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Posted - 2016.08.09 02:37:38 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:As someone who tracked for years proof of CCP's secret pogrom of nerfs to hisec aggression mechanics (a mistaken attempt to increase subs by simply making EvE safer and easier for new players), I have zero faith they will reverse this new direct attack on hisec mercenary & wardec mechanics. All of this has happened before, none of it is new, and it will all happen again. The carebears have won. F
Sadly Feyd, I fear you're right. 
..and how've you been stranger.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Larry Lighter
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:04:18 -
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You merc's never leave the trade hubs or trade routes, so it doesn't really matter, just use local. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
710
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:08:49 -
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Larry Lighter wrote:You merc's never leave the trade hubs or trade routes, so it doesn't really matter, just use local.
The entire point of this thread was that *some* of them used to go out and *hunt* their targets away from trade hubs and trade routes. They didn't camp and hope for targets to come to them - they went to their targets. And they feel this is *now* no longer possible, due to changes such as watch list removal.
Though if you haven't managed to figure that out by this point...I suppose it is wishful thinking that you'll read/understand this post either...Oh well - I'll post it anyway.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
710
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:10:24 -
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PS: Why are you hiding in an NPC corp, if none of the war-deccing corps ever leaves the trade hub?
Surely they are harmless to you if you just avoid the couple of systems they limit themselves to? So why penalize yourself with npc corp taxes/etc for no reason?
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17912
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:55:24 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:PS: Why are you hiding in an NPC corp, if none of the war-deccing corps ever leaves the trade hub? Surely they are harmless to you if you just avoid the couple of systems they limit themselves to? So why penalize yourself with npc corp taxes/etc for no reason?
Largely because of who the op is I imagine,
Ignoring the outrageous irony of the question of course
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
713
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:56:32 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:PS: Why are you hiding in an NPC corp, if none of the war-deccing corps ever leaves the trade hub? Surely they are harmless to you if you just avoid the couple of systems they limit themselves to? So why penalize yourself with npc corp taxes/etc for no reason? Largely because of who the op is I imagine, Ignoring the outrageous irony of the question of course
Pffft, I'm not in an npc corp >_>
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17912
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:59:03 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:PS: Why are you hiding in an NPC corp, if none of the war-deccing corps ever leaves the trade hub? Surely they are harmless to you if you just avoid the couple of systems they limit themselves to? So why penalize yourself with npc corp taxes/etc for no reason? Largely because of who the op is I imagine, Ignoring the outrageous irony of the question of course Pffft, I'm not in an npc corp >_>
Touche anonymous forum alt, touche.
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sam shagnasty
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.09.07 18:48:36 -
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A new add on to the war system could be . If you war Dec a corp/allaince you pay concord standard fee but you have an option to pay concord say 25% more . The added 25% fee is a concord alert system where if a war target logs on or jumps into concord secured space (ie high sec) and you have him added to the bubbly list he will go green. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1165
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Posted - 2016.09.07 19:18:31 -
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^ Since exactly zero corps would ever pay just the standard fee without the 25% green button premium, all this would accomplish would be to raise the wardec fee to current standard + 25%. |
Faylee Freir
The Phoenix Rising
Vendetta Mercenary Group
302
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Posted - 2016.09.09 19:02:33 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:^ Since exactly zero corps would ever pay just the standard fee without the 25% green button premium, all this would accomplish would be to raise the wardec fee to current standard + 25%.
I wouldn't pay that on the big block alliances, but yeah I'd pay the extra fee on top of a 50m - 100m wardec in order to hunt someone I spotted.
HTFU
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17989
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Posted - 2016.09.10 02:46:34 -
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martin Adoulin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.09.11 07:35:57 -
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Merc work isent dead, its just you. your limiting yourself to highsec. Honestly wtf ?! thats content for a 5man group of 2 year olds not a 500man alliance. you were the mercenary version of 8 year old pve player still running lvl4s in highsec for caldari navy.
Ask yourselves, was there ever any real risk in what you were doing? No ? well then everyone can do. |
Omar Alharazaad
Nefarious Porpoise
3079
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Posted - 2016.09.11 10:38:47 -
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So much scorn over an area of operations.
Did you get your mission battleship badtocuhed by them or something?
Devil's choose to operate in high sec. What's wrong with that?
Is this one of those low/null/wh snobbery things again?
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1168
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Posted - 2016.09.11 16:55:27 -
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martin Adoulin wrote:Merc work isent dead, its just you. your limiting yourself to highsec. Honestly wtf ?! thats content for a 5man group of 2 year olds not a 500man alliance. you were the mercenary version of 8 year old pve player still running lvl4s in highsec for caldari navy.
Ask yourselves, was there ever any real risk in what you were doing? No ? well then everyone can do.
The anonymous forum alt hath spoken. Phear him! |
Valkin Mordirc
2496
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Posted - 2016.09.11 18:09:41 -
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martin Adoulin wrote:Merc work isent dead, its just you. your limiting yourself to highsec. Honestly wtf ?! thats content for a 5man group of 2 year olds not a 500man alliance. you were the mercenary version of 8 year old pve player still running lvl4s in highsec for caldari navy.
Ask yourselves, was there ever any real risk in what you were doing? No ? well then everyone can do.
Pray tell what 500 man alliance is in Highsec and run mercenary contracts?
Because I've somehow seemed to have glossed over such are a large target.
Also with two Mercenary Factions currently in conflict with one another I would say they are okay with elevating risk.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Barkley TYPE-R
Mad Dogs and Englishmen II
Archetype.
0
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Posted - 2016.09.19 20:49:39 -
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Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18169
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Posted - 2016.09.19 22:01:46 -
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Barkley TYPE-R wrote:Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it
mate,
ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole.
never mind finding or killing them.
you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers.
please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets
Click me
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Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
340
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Posted - 2016.09.19 22:12:34 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Barkley TYPE-R wrote:Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it mate, ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole. never mind finding or killing them. you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers. please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets
I am probably one of the better informed to answer that question Ralph and to be honest the answer is not much is done to find targets, A few chars do send their alts out looking but not many do. It was something Myself and others tried to get people to do but as with everything in eve people are lazy not just Archetype.
As it stands at the moment I believe they are more interested in chasing Citadel contracts and structure bashing than pure merc work.
Don't forget I am only speaking of my time when I was there. |
Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
Archetype.
1744
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Posted - 2016.09.19 22:40:15 -
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Sol epoch wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Barkley TYPE-R wrote:Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it mate, ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole. never mind finding or killing them. you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers. please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets I am probably one of the better informed to answer that question Ralph and to be honest the answer is not much is done to find targets, A few chars do send their alts out looking but not many do. It was something Myself and others tried to get people to do but as with everything in eve people are lazy not just Archetype. As it stands at the moment I believe they are more interested in chasing Citadel contracts and structure bashing than pure merc work. Don't forget I am only speaking of my time when I was there.
You tried really hard sitting in your absolution on Dixie undock daily.
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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Barkley TYPE-R
Mad Dogs and Englishmen II
Archetype.
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Posted - 2016.09.20 05:56:01 -
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Sorry mate
Wasn't doubting your pro ness , just ment just because you can't check you buddy list for a green light you shouldn't get to disheartened
As green light on buddy list then a locater telling you what system the tgt is in doesn't really add up to hunting ,
What alliance has the saying Adapt or Die
From your post your clearly unable to adapt.
But well done for playing for longer than me |
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