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KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:39:00 - [151] Wait so LV only had one large up? And we put up a large and now sov is neutral... and it's a bug?
Riggwelter Caldari Drinkers Appreciation Soiciety	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:40:00 - [152] Originally by: Le Cardinal Bugs is a known feature in this game and we all suffer from them. Its a shame for all parts that this happens, as it ruins the fun of victory. If it is a bug as LV claims, then you should petition it and wait for GM's response. They will most likely fix it. As they have done for other alliances in the past. It happened during the TCF vs MM conflict. And it has happened in countless of other conflicts. And GM's pretty much fixed all of them (with some exceptions as always). This is a long and sore conflict. And i understand the frustration. But jumping on eachothers throats on forum will not solve it. Fight the battles ingame and be polite here. And let the gm's look into the bugs. Was a slighlty different bug that time MM had recaptrued the H-W station after gaining soverienty, the node crashed and when it came back up the station still belonged to MM but had the all the settings from the TCF ownership. Hence the owners couldnt dock at the station and all the hostiles could. We had to wait until DT for the situaiton to wright itself.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:42:00 - [153] Edited by: Malachon Draco on 21/02/2007 12:38:56 Originally by: KIATolon Wait so LV only had one large up? And we put up a large and now sov is neutral... and it's a bug? Well, yes it would be a bug. Not because of the large vs large nullifying each other (that's intended), but because of the bug that caused a GM to reset the small POSes by offlining them and thus losing their sov claim. If the small POS hadn't been bugged and thus needed GM attention, LV would have retained Sov. At least, if my reading of the situation is correct. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:43:00 - [154] Wrong. Smalls have no claim on sov if a large is in system. If lv had 20,000 smalls and 1 large, and GS had 1 large then sov SHOULD be neutral.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:46:00 - [155] Originally by: KIATolon I have logs, it wont prove anything to you but it proves it to me This makes you just as profound as every other troll about the subject Tolon. And i don't think it helps to offer something you cannot give. If you have evidence, bring it forth, submit it to CCP and let people look at it. If it's real evidence it will not matter who is looking at it afterall. If you don't bring anything forward, stop wasting peoples time. -- .sig apathy ftw
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:48:00 - [156] out of game logs have no weight with CCP and therefore there's no point. I am just pointing out that "I" have a reason to believe it. I can just as easily falsify logs as dig them up and so I dont expect you to believe me.
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:50:00 - [157] Originally by: Riggwelter Edited by: Riggwelter on 21/02/2007 12:37:07 Originally by: Le Cardinal Bugs is a known feature in this game and we all suffer from them. Its a shame for all parts that this happens, as it ruins the fun of victory. If it is a bug as LV claims, then you should petition it and wait for GM's response. They will most likely fix it. As they have done for other alliances in the past. It happened during the TCF vs MM conflict. And it has happened in countless of other conflicts. And GM's pretty much fixed all of them (with some exceptions as always). This is a long and sore conflict. And i understand the frustration. But jumping on eachothers throats on forum will not solve it. Fight the battles ingame and be polite here. And let the gm's look into the bugs. Was a slighlty different bug that time MM had recaptrued the H-W station after gaining soverienty, the node crashed and when it came back up the station still belonged to MM but had the all the settings from the TCF ownership. Hence the owners couldnt dock at the station and all the hostiles could. We had to wait until DT for the situaiton to wright itself. Yes you are absolutely right iirc. But nevertheless a couple of gm's came and stopped the fighting until it was investigated and demanded a cease fire. So they kinda sorted it anyways
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:30:00 - [158] Originally by: Valkazm Agree, Its a simple fact that Goons and co are using numbers that Eve cannot handle, im not sure they even care about LV space to be honest. what would goons do with Omist? Goonswarm alliance: 3025 members LV alliance : 2749 members Any other questions about "never ever seen" swarm of goons? =============================================== LV are like little crying babies... Full story
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:43:00 - [159] JV1V is in RedSwarm hands. BoB has given some LV corps a kind offer to become pets. The cascade continues.
Kam SingDu'k Singularity.	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:49:00 - [160] Originally by: The Mittani JV1V is in RedSwarm hands. BoB has given some LV corps a kind offer to become pets. The cascade continues. :D i like.... hi five!!! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames)
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:53:00 - [161] We are not allowed to post GM correspondence here, but there are other wonderful forums where these things get leaked. Enjoy Btw, the scrapheap is the best community forum by far. Excellent moderation, you either behave or be an ass and shown the way out, which means a good signal to noise ratio. I am mainly getting war updates from there, as people on opposing sides can actually maintain some common decency to eachother. Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:55:00 - [162] Originally by: Crellion Did you all die or did you have "emergency warps"? No, this is what happened from my point of view. We were heavily out gunned on the gate, and their caps were engaging one of our POS. I decided to take the fight to our POS to have those guns on our side. We jumped into local in waves and held cloak. I trash talked them for a few seconds then gave the order to put some remote reps on me. I de-cloaked, the entire fleet pounded on me, I held out for a while, I died, most of the rest of the fleet were out of the bubble by that time, I gang warped us to the POS, we killed 2 of their dreads, and then bubbled their fleet whilst letting the pos guns even things up accounting for their fighters. I sensed chow was about to come on so we get bubbles on their major bs groups and I called an align, which people did - I saw a lone ship come in, we gang warped out, chow killed a lot of his ships, we warped back in and finished them off.
Royaldo Old Farts	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:04:00 - [163] want to rent space!
Diana Marc Fourteen Points	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:25:00 - [164] Originally by: Valkazm There overwhelming beacuse they have dedicated players i mean wasent ASCN the biggest alliance once and did they have the same activity as the goons have .. what your bassicly saying they shouldnt win beacuse they have huge numbers and it creates lag on the contrary i think you will notice that eve is heading in the right way pushing some of theese aside to open up a new political arena aswell as new oportunities for say new players .. remember Goons dont discriminate like most alliances .. /signed The older alliances think you're worthless unless you have lots of assets and battleships and 20m skill points. RaGoon members fly T1 frigates and cruisers and know how to use them. All this whining boils down to "waaah waaah my T2 battleship got blown up by a pack of frigates and cruisers with less SP than me CCP please give me back my stuff." It's evolution -- if LV can't adapt to the new environment, they deserve to die.
Jake Noble Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:28:00 - [165] Quote: The older alliances think you're worthless unless you have lots of assets and battleships and 20m skill points. RaGoon members fly T1 frigates and cruisers and know how to use them. Correction, Goons fly t1 frigs and cruisers and do not know how to use them... RA do not stoop to that level.
Myrddin Emiris Prizm Ventures Ltd.	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:29:00 - [166] Originally by: Diana Marc Originally by: Valkazm There overwhelming beacuse they have dedicated players i mean wasent ASCN the biggest alliance once and did they have the same activity as the goons have .. what your bassicly saying they shouldnt win beacuse they have huge numbers and it creates lag on the contrary i think you will notice that eve is heading in the right way pushing some of theese aside to open up a new political arena aswell as new oportunities for say new players .. remember Goons dont discriminate like most alliances .. /signed The older alliances think you're worthless unless you have lots of assets and battleships and 20m skill points. RaGoon members fly T1 frigates and cruisers and know how to use them. All this whining boils down to "waaah waaah my T2 battleship got blown up by a pack of frigates and cruisers with less SP than me CCP please give me back my stuff." It's evolution -- if LV can't adapt to the new environment, they deserve to die. And die they will....
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:34:00 - [167] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Crellion Did you all die or did you have "emergency warps"? No, this is what happened from my point of view. We were heavily out gunned on the gate, and their caps were engaging one of our POS. I decided to take the fight to our POS to have those guns on our side. We jumped into local in waves and held cloak. I trash talked them for a few seconds then gave the order to put some remote reps on me. I de-cloaked, the entire fleet pounded on me, I held out for a while, I died, most of the rest of the fleet were out of the bubble by that time, I gang warped us to the POS, we killed 2 of their dreads, and then bubbled their fleet whilst letting the pos guns even things up accounting for their fighters. I sensed chow was about to come on so we get bubbles on their major bs groups and I called an align, which people did - I saw a lone ship come in, we gang warped out, chow killed a lot of his ships, we warped back in and finished them off. Sounds like good strategy to be fair. But clarify please 3 more points. 1) How did the majority of the fleet get out of the bubbles (of 40 kms or so I was told) in the time it took 1 BS to go down to 150 + fighters? 2) How come you gangwarped people to POS while dying to 150 guns? I have had tht happen to me and usually you lag out from half shields to wake up in station. 3) What happened to the LV fleet of 150+ support? Did they not also warp to the POS right behind you? Or were you 150 vs 150 at the POS and you still killed them and their capitals? I am asking becaue i have heard reports that the first "Coallition" wave died because the node held. Then the second wave crashed the node. Then no one in the system could move but the 3rd and 4th waves managed to jump through and go to the POS. Still cool use of numbers I guess (though perhaps against the much debated game mechanics? dont know) but a whole different story from your initial post. I dont know these things its just what I heard. Please clarify for me. Ty. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:40:00 - [168] Originally by: Crellion Sounds like good strategy to be fair. But clarify please 3 more points. 1) How did the majority of the fleet get out of the bubbles (of 40 kms or so I was told) in the time it took 1 BS to go down to 150 + fighters? 2) How come you gangwarped people to POS while dying to 150 guns? I have had tht happen to me and usually you lag out from half shields to wake up in station. 3) What happened to the LV fleet of 150+ support? Did they not also warp to the POS right behind you? Or were you 150 vs 150 at the POS and you still killed them and their capitals? I am asking becaue i have heard reports that the first "Coallition" wave died because the node held. Then the second wave crashed the node. Then no one in the system could move but the 3rd and 4th waves managed to jump through and go to the POS. Still cool use of numbers I guess (though perhaps against the much debated game mechanics? dont know) but a whole different story from your initial post. I dont know these things its just what I heard. Please clarify for me. Ty. If i may try and anwser these things for Kiatolon. 1. More ships were lost than just 1 bs when jumping in, also it is called an mwd. 2. Once in a pod he wasn't targeted from what i can tell. 3. I saw ranged snipers plus some assorted smaller ships warp in to help the dreads, but the pos was pretty ruthless and i guess not all wanted to brave the pos guns. But yes they did follow and yes we did still kill their capitals. I hope that clears some of that up. ---- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:42:00 - [169] Wasn't it just a short time ago that LV outnumbered GoonSwarm on the alliance population list? I keep seeing LV crying about goons and their overwhelming numbers, but LV is a huge alliance and were larger than everyone. Both alliances number near 3000 members and it isn't the goon's fault if 75% of your members would rather rat and mine than defend their territory. Every time an LV member makes a post about the numbers, cheating and other general useless smack it only makes them look worse. The way you people whine and moan I'd be surprised if any of the BoB friendly alliances would welcome you.
Azrael Bierce Cult of Lemen	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:57:00 - [170] Originally by: Heldane Wasn't it just a short time ago that LV outnumbered GoonSwarm on the alliance population list? I keep seeing LV crying about goons and their overwhelming numbers, but LV is a huge alliance and were larger than everyone. Both alliances number near 3000 members and it isn't the goon's fault if 75% of your members would rather rat and mine than defend their territory. If LV is anything like ASCN, a ton of those people are alts. Survey on the ASCN forum had a large number of people with 4+ accounts.
Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.22 19:01:00 - [171] Originally by: Crellion Sounds like good strategy to be fair. But clarify please 3 more points. 1) How did the majority of the fleet get out of the bubbles (of 40 kms or so I was told) in the time it took 1 BS to go down to 150 + fighters? 2) How come you gangwarped people to POS while dying to 150 guns? I have had tht happen to me and usually you lag out from half shields to wake up in station. 3) What happened to the LV fleet of 150+ support? Did they not also warp to the POS right behind you? Or were you 150 vs 150 at the POS and you still killed them and their capitals? I am asking becaue i have heard reports that the first "Coallition" wave died because the node held. Then the second wave crashed the node. Then no one in the system could move but the 3rd and 4th waves managed to jump through and go to the POS. Still cool use of numbers I guess (though perhaps against the much debated game mechanics? dont know) but a whole different story from your initial post. I dont know these things its just what I heard. Please clarify for me. Ty. I'll probably get fined for this, but I thought I should mention that you are talking about a different battle. When we killed the Capship array, we had no pos in system. The battle Tolon is talking about was when LV were testing our reaction time and attacking the pos we set up in place of the Titan builder.
Bodark Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.02.22 22:50:00 - [172] Originally by: Valkazm Agree, Its a simple fact that Goons and co are using numbers that Eve cannot handle, im not sure they even care about LV space to be honest. what would goons do with Omist? If the Goons were not in this war the numbers would be fairly even, it would make the war more interesting, less lag, use of tactics for both sides. But now it seems you can win simply by overwhelming numbers, This imo is bad for eve. There overwhelming beacuse they have dedicated players i mean wasent ASCN the biggest alliance once and did they have the same activity as the goons have .. 3 weeks old "dedicated" players ftw
Silas Linch Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.23 00:35:00 - [173] Originally by: Bodark Originally by: Valkazm Agree, Its a simple fact that Goons and co are using numbers that Eve cannot handle, im not sure they even care about LV space to be honest. what would goons do with Omist? If the Goons were not in this war the numbers would be fairly even, it would make the war more interesting, less lag, use of tactics for both sides. But now it seems you can win simply by overwhelming numbers, This imo is bad for eve. There overwhelming beacuse they have dedicated players i mean wasent ASCN the biggest alliance once and did they have the same activity as the goons have .. 3 weeks old "dedicated" players ftw keep in mind that most of us knew each other from SA long before we joined the swarm. whatev.
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.23 00:51:00 - [174] Edited by: Heldane on 23/02/2007 00:48:49 I can't believe that some of you still fall for this goons are all newbies and fly T1 frigates garbage. I've been reading about various goon wars on these forums for a year now. It might be possible that a few of them decided to train their skills during that time and they probably have a fair amount of combat experience considering they have been fighting pretty much non stop since last fall. I would even hazard a guess that the average goon player has more combat experience than 90% of the people they are fighting. Add to this the fact that killboards mean nothing to them and its no wonder LV is getting massacred.
Ackaroth Gallente Plundering Penguins	Posted - 2007.02.23 00:55:00 - [175] Agreed with above. Has no one noticed they have a capfleet? May not be the biggest, but not a t1 frig by any means. Either stand up to them or stop whining about the tactics they used when they were a brand new group. Originally by: Hamatitio "Oregon Trail ALliance [Wagon]" Description: You Caught Malaria and died. Plundering Penguins is recruiting. Convo/Evemail, or join channel PING1 in game.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:32:00 - [176] its ignorant to discount any enemy as worthless at best, at worst its suicidal. add to that fact goons have a hell of alot of numbers and a growing capital fleet to use those numbers in, with some potent comrades they are a serious force and ignoring that or treating it as anything less then it is, is just plain stupid but go on ahead discounting em to ease your subconscious fears a bit more.... personally I would rather take every moment I have to learn how to beat em then sit there and pass em off as no threat Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Diana Marc Fourteen Points	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:49:00 - [177] Originally by: Ackaroth Agreed with above. Has no one noticed they have a capfleet? May not be the biggest, but not a t1 frig by any means. Either stand up to them or stop whining about the tactics they used when they were a brand new group. Apparently the goonies have stooped so low as to crash nodes by deploying their hopelessly obsolete T1 capital fleet! That would explain why the goonies haven't seen LV capital ships in days -- they're a "tech two alliance", so I guess the goonies will be seeing their mighty tech two capital hulls any day now! Or maybe LV is just doomed.
Duke Grail Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.23 02:22:00 - [178] Originally by: Jags IMO the one thing GOONs have proven is that you do not need SPs to inflict damage on your enemy. Which is a good thing. The bad thing they have brought is that numbers matter more than tactics now. In the past you would have fairly equal gangs (most of the time) and whoever called the tactics the best would win. Now if you bring say 150 , you can get blobbed by 300+ meaning any tactics are pretty much out the window. Is that GOONs fault ? Not directly but its a serious flaw in game mechanics IMO. Still , I wish whoever ends up in JV good luck , the game moves on. LV were the "big dogs" for nearly 18 months , can you keep a hold on it that long ? Just be aware that we will do everything we can to make your life down there a ****in misery We WILL be back to take back what is ours. This Post was like a breath of fresh air in these forums. Good Luck and good fights to all involved!!!
Aliea Konovalev F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.28 02:22:00 - [179] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic I've never seen a thread full of so much whining in my life, and that's something. LIES!!! I know for a fact you've seen more whining in a thread than this.
Allen Deckard Gallente WTB Supplies	Posted - 2007.02.28 03:12:00 - [180] just currious but when was it that everyone realized that supperior numbers won eve? I mean 3 years ago a gate camp in .0 was supperior numbers. Attacking someone was superior numbers. You cant add up the total sp of group a then add the sp's of group b and say that is going to determine anything. A group is 99% of the time focused fire. Meaning 1 target at a time no matter the size of the goup. so 1 target gets fired on no matter his sp's he may die .0000001 sec faster if hit by t2 but hate to say 99% of the time it's near insta pop no matter what ship your in or your fittings. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free

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