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HellsGeneral Viraxis
Koybayashi Salvageworks
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Posted - 2016.05.01 16:08:44 -
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This new jump clone charge is ridiculous for new players. 900,000k every time I want to jump to my training clone is absolutely absurd. Why would you put a tax on jump clones that really only punishes new players? This amount is trivial to everyone except for new players, and you are just creating more barriers to entry for your game.
I cannot create threads in the new feature feedback area, and there is no thread for me to reply to on this issue. |
Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
985
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Posted - 2016.05.01 16:10:07 -
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What is this training clone?
The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
434
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Posted - 2016.05.01 16:12:22 -
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training clone?! o.O
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Nalia White
Tencus
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Posted - 2016.05.01 16:14:57 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:training clone?! o.O
a clone with good implants i presume. but is this fee not only applicable when outside of your jump clone timer? if it indeed is so, then i see no problem there. gotta pay for convinience :) |
Kiandoshia
Gambrini
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Posted - 2016.05.01 16:15:20 -
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Anyone remember back when dying used to cost money?
Also thanks OP. Never thought I'd see someone whine about 900k ISK. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
Black Marker
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Posted - 2016.05.01 16:18:31 -
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Nalia White wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:training clone?! o.O a clone with good implants i presume. but is this fee not only applicable when outside of your jump clone timer? if it indeed is so, then i see no problem there. gotta pay for convinience :)
Can't jump with timer.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
985
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Posted - 2016.05.01 16:21:11 -
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If you have cybernetics 5 and are jumping to a clone worth half a billion isk then you will probably have to drop the "poor newbie" label at this point.
Meanwhile I never heard of any actual newbies complaining about this. Maybe they just don't jump around that much?
The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
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Nalia White
Tencus
172
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Posted - 2016.05.01 16:23:30 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Anyone remember back when dying used to cost money?
Also thanks OP. Never thought I'd see someone whine about 900k ISK.
oh i was missinformed then sorry. nevertheless another isk sink is a good thing. |
Spacefaring Bastard
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.01 16:33:45 -
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I don't even have a jump clone.
Then again, I also have no idea what a noob is in EVE, because holy ass, this game requires so damn much research to get into. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2016.05.01 17:09:36 -
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If you have a specific training clone, you are no longer a newbie and you are perfectly able to cover the increased clone cost.
If somehow you aren't, then you should feel bad and no amount of fixes from CCP will help you. |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
44675
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Posted - 2016.05.01 17:29:57 -
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So new players that can afford a training clone are going to not be able to afford the jump tax on an NPC station?
That doesn't quite seem logical.
If that's the case, then it should just be temporary until Citadel owners set prices cheaper as competition.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33857
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Posted - 2016.05.01 17:34:07 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Anyone remember back when dying used to cost money?
Also thanks OP. Never thought I'd see someone whine about 900k ISK.
That scale was disproportionate, and also punished players for losing a pod.
The complaint was bound to happen, and if it wasn't sooner it would happen after the clone limit per station/citadel is lifted along with the clone jump cooldown within a station.
This charge was to allow citadel owners the opportunity to make ISK for providing a cloning service, which costs ISK to operate.
ALL of these complaints can be avoided if clone storage is based on a rental fee over time, where you rent a clone bay weekly or monthly.
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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W33b3l
Conquest and Kittens
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Posted - 2016.05.01 19:17:47 -
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I didn't even realize a JC was a thing until over 2 years into the game. I've been playing forever now and I only have a clone for running missions and a clone for PVP. Couldn't even tell you wich one I'm in for sure at the moment because I forget they exist lol. I really need to work on that.
If new players are anything like I was. As in deciding to worry about jump clones and remaps after they get a handle on how the wholly crap do these crazy ships work and why do I suck side of the game, it doesn't surprise me that we don't hear about this much.
Assuming the complaint is valid of course. |
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre StarBurst Pirateers
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Posted - 2016.05.01 20:28:07 -
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WHY of all things when I have to use a JC to another station have to BUY a clone from the station I am leaving from??? WHY did I lose a JC in what is to be my corparate headquarters in NPC Nulsec??? 900k everytime is just way too much to have to waste for a service that used to be even better than this trash?
NOT a rant btw, good honest to goodness questions, unless these changes were made and nothing was said about losing JCs at a station that is your home base is not good at all.
This ultimately means I aint spending no more isk for a service I can no longer rely on for those times when I need to go either direction, and buy a JC in a foreign station to boot.
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.01 20:46:53 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:WHY of all things when I have to use a JC to another station have to BUY a clone from the station I am leaving from??? WHY did I lose a JC in what is to be my corparate headquarters in NPC Nulsec??? 900k everytime is just way too much to have to waste for a service that used to be even better than this trash?
NOT a rant btw, good honest to goodness questions, unless these changes were made and nothing was said about losing JCs at a station that is your home base is not good at all.
This ultimately means I aint spending no more isk for a service I can no longer rely on for those times when I need to go either direction, and buy a JC in a foreign station to boot.
Because as you jump to that clone, which thus gets removed, you leave behind a new clone in the station you just left and clone creation requires 900k isk. It's really not difficult to understand. |
Shayla Etherodyne
United Nations Industrial Holdings
35
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Posted - 2016.05.01 20:55:49 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Anyone remember back when dying used to cost money?
Also thanks OP. Never thought I'd see someone whine about 900k ISK. That scale was disproportionate, and also punished players for losing a pod. The complaint was bound to happen, and if it wasn't sooner it would happen after the clone limit per station/citadel is lifted along with the clone jump cooldown within a station. This charge was to allow citadel owners the opportunity to make ISK for providing a cloning service, which costs ISK to operate. ALL of these complaints can be avoided if clone storage is based on a rental fee over time, where you rent a clone bay weekly or monthly.
Interesting idea, but it would generate problems for people leaving the game for an extended period. I have recently returned after staying away for 4 years.
Returning to a depleted wallet and no jumpclones would be annoying. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Violence of Action.
1156
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Posted - 2016.05.01 21:01:43 -
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Its only if you're installing a clone.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Claude deTedric
TSL Holdings
The Star League
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Posted - 2016.05.01 21:58:53 -
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Aiwha wrote:Its only if you're installing a clone.
If you Jump Clone to another, previously setup, JC in another station somewhere - then you are leaving behind/installing a clone where you jump from.
It now costs 900k in an NPC station. I assure you - it does
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
309
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Posted - 2016.05.01 22:07:44 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:If you have cybernetics 5 and are jumping to a clone worth half a billion isk then you will probably have to drop the "poor newbie" label at this point.
Meanwhile I never heard of any actual newbies complaining about this. Maybe they just don't jump around that much?
But just think of the poor noobs to skill queue online who HAVE to pay extortionate amounts of money just to train jump into a different clone to train faster. Everyone knows noobs have clones with hugely expensive implants that they jump back and forth from hundreds of times a day.
You people chasing more and more convenience really make me lose hope in humanity
(Not directed at you Angelique)
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1142
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Posted - 2016.05.02 03:17:26 -
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Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
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Posted - 2016.05.02 04:14:04 -
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This is more of a problem for my alts, they have no income(or next to no income) of their own and thus I will have to keep sending them ISK just to be able to jump around and do what I built them for. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.05.02 05:33:49 -
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Caldari 5 wrote:This is more of a problem for my alts, they have no income(or next to no income) of their own and thus I will have to keep sending them ISK just to be able to jump around and do what I built them for.
my main (this character) is **** poor while my alts have all my assets, this character can't even go to hisec safely...
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Galaxxis
Unicorn Rampage
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Posted - 2016.05.02 05:39:43 -
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This seems like a strange change to me. It does nothing but slightly annoy any older players with billions of isk laying around, and it punishes new players who don't have a lot of money yet, but who also probably aren't using jump clones much either. What's the point? |
HellsGeneral Viraxis
Koybayashi Salvageworks
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Posted - 2016.05.02 05:41:12 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:If you have cybernetics 5 and are jumping to a clone worth half a billion isk then you will probably have to drop the "poor newbie" label at this point.
Meanwhile I never heard of any actual newbies complaining about this. Maybe they just don't jump around that much?
I am an actual newb, that actally likes to do research instead of being spoon fed. My training clone is worth around 40mil and consists of all +3 implants. Which to me is a ton of money. I have done my research to know what I need, but being a newb is based on skill points and actual experience. Not the ability to read a couple guides to learn about jump clones.
Everyone needs to stop pretending they know what it's like to be a newb again, and remember that when I am in space I'm the damn plankton in the ocean. People suicide gank a venture or even an ibis in high sec bc they can. For this reason I can't be carry around implants everywhere I go.
Now I am not complaining about being ganked or working my way up. What I am complaining about is CCP taking away my simple, and what use to be cheap, jump to a clone body full of +3 implants that I can do once every 20 hours. I am a casual player who gets to play a couple days a week, and I don't want an additional tax of jumping to my safe place where I log off for a week at a time. I shouldn't have to pay to reinstall a jump clone at korama every time I jump from it to jita. Once I install a bay, it should stay. |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.05.02 05:54:00 -
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HellsGeneral Viraxis wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:If you have cybernetics 5 and are jumping to a clone worth half a billion isk then you will probably have to drop the "poor newbie" label at this point.
Meanwhile I never heard of any actual newbies complaining about this. Maybe they just don't jump around that much? I am an actual newb, that actally likes to do research instead of being spoon fed. My training clone is worth around 40mil and consists of all +3 implants. Which to me is a ton of money. I have done my research to know what I need, but being a newb is based on skill points and actual experience. Not the ability to read a couple guides to learn about jump clones. Everyone needs to stop pretending they know what it's like to be a newb again, and remember that when I am in space I'm the damn plankton in the ocean. People suicide gank a venture or even an ibis in high sec bc they can. For this reason I can't be carry around implants everywhere I go. Now I am not complaining about being ganked or working my way up. What I am complaining about is CCP taking away my simple, and what use to be cheap, jump to a clone body full of +3 implants that I can do once every 20 hours. I am a casual player who gets to play a couple days a week, and I don't want an additional tax of jumping to my safe place where I log off for a week at a time. I shouldn't have to pay to reinstall a jump clone at korama every time I jump from it to jita. Once I install a bay, it should stay.
Subscribed! 1M Isk is nothing to old players and quite a lot for newbie. Most old players are in a player Corp anyway so they don't need public clone bays while it's the other way round for noobs. Hopefully the clone bay service will be revived
Btw: what happens to your possessions including clones when you are excluded from a citadel? |
Sybella Stareine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.02 07:05:19 -
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It punishes newbies who jumpclone between, say, hisec for ISK-making and lowsec or NPC null for frig fights. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
913
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Posted - 2016.05.02 07:35:52 -
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Galaxxis wrote:This seems like a strange change to me. It does nothing but slightly annoy any older players with billions of isk laying around, and it punishes new players who don't have a lot of money yet, but who also probably aren't using jump clones much either. What's the point?
It's an ISK sink, for one.
Granted, it's more than I figured they'd make it, but then again, considering how much it use to cost to upgrade medical clones each time you hit an SP milestone or got podded, it's not really a harmful number either. While this isn't the same thing, I strongly doubt this is as "punishing" to newer players as many have expressed. It's more of a nuisance to older players who are use to a system where clone jumping is not tied to a fee -- now it is. I don't see newer players complaining much if at all. In fact, considering all of the changes to clone mechanics that make it easier to use them more freely (can have 5 more JCs now, med clone removal, can cut as much as five hours out of cool-down via skill), this is hardly bothersome. It feels more like people are gripping over something that is no longer going the way they want it to than legitimate concern.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
44675
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Posted - 2016.05.02 07:40:08 -
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Sybella Stareine wrote:It punishes newbies who jumpclone between, say, hisec for ISK-making and lowsec or NPC null for frig fights.
So new players are jumping to clones to go lose ships, but the small jump cost is going to bust their wallet?
The 'think of the children" argument in this thread doesn't seem to make sense.
The reasons the charges were increased however make perfect sense and 900K is less than 1 rat in nullsec, so if new players are jumping to go pvp, then maybe they can just incorporate their soon-to-be daily rat kill into their activities. They'll end up in front both in ISK and skillpoints.
The alternative once Citadels remain in space more than a couple of days before dying, will be to find a cheaper service in a Citadel. Problem for new players solved.
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Specia1 K
State War Academy
Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2016.05.02 07:55:29 -
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Nobody has mentioned that you had to grind up your NPC standings to be able to install a jumpclone in an NPC station.
If this ISK charge had (and should have been) implemented when they dropped the requirements, nobody would be squawking now. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1142
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Posted - 2016.05.02 08:06:45 -
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Remember the time that getting repeatedly podded back to an alpha clone was bad? I don't since I update my clone per poddings or when I outgrow my current clone.
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