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Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:08:00 - [181] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper No they don't. If devs try to force me into lower sec just to get more challenging I end subscription, I dont go where they think I should. So, No. They dont say what I do or don't do. Or to put it another way. When I cant find any more PvE fun / challenges or I feel that there are more challenges, but they are out of reach I will end subscription. Your logic is so screwy its hilarious. So you're saying if the devs offered MORE content(like they're going to) but only put it in lowsec you'll quit? Can I have your stuff? Quote: And so will a lot others. I doubt it, there will always be a glut of people running L4s in highsec, that wont change when the devs move a few missions into the new L5 category and add a bunch new L4 missions. Quote: So ask your self. You want a game with only hardcore PvP'ers and or a loot of PvEers that also help you pay for the develoopment of the game? Yawn, you realize there are carebears even in 0.0? You realize most of eve will probably still sit in highsec and mine/mission/trade? The only thing this new change will do is encourge more to form groups/corps/alliances in lowsec mission locations for mutual defense, like how quite a few are already doing in lowsec. Quote: And for ISK? I don't go missions for ISK. If I want ISK I mine. Thats where I can pull out the large amount of ISK, even in Empire. I got no problem pulling out 40m - 50m ISK on a evening with mining (After work, before bed) and thats enought for me. LOL, such bull**** its amusing. L4 missioning makes far more ISK/hour than mining in highsec, its something like 3-5 times more, even with the recent inflation of low end mineral prices(which helps high sec mining).
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:49:00 - [182] Originally by: Hasak Rain It is hard for me to feel any sympathy towards a group of people known for flying around in 2 billion isk T2 fitted ships who face next to zero risk of ever losing it through their easymode play style of repetitive mission running. The funny thing is that they really have nothing to whine about. The changes I read in the blog seem to effect these lvl 4 Empire mission *****s in a very minor way. Seriously, just shut up. From what I heard, there are people known for flying around in tens of billions isk titans in 0.0. That proves that the risk vs. reward is completely out of whack in 0.0 - it needs to be nerfed. On a more seriuos note: if something does not concern you, heed your own advice and "just shut up".
Rachen Mysuna Brotherhood of Polar Equation	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:49:00 - [183] Edited by: Rachen Mysuna on 27/02/2007 08:46:57 saila and motsu are LAGFESTS way too often if CCP would do something to remove macroer's from both systems the load would go like half from current just ban everyone from china or something like that, i dont care of course i would change the system to less occupied, but i have over 200k LP on agent so i really cant
yarrmarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:57:00 - [184] Edited by: yarrmarr on 27/02/2007 08:55:20 Originally by: Hasak Rain The more of this drivel I read, the more I hope you follow through with your threats of leaving the game. I dislike the ganker, smack talking 12 yr old mentality of {some} pirates or "pirate wannabees" as much as you guys do. However, I am starting to agree with them when they say this game would be better off without the whiny carebear mission runners who do nothing but cry just because CCP is not going to spoon feed you isk quite as easily anymore. I think a game where you can be an Elf or a Fairy would suit you better. So long, no one is going to miss you. Hasek, I still haven't read a single valid point coming from you to why the game would be better of without 'whiny carebears'. Apparently you confuse the eve-o forums with the actual game as I haven't seen a single whine in-game. (yes, maybe 'we' should ban carebears from posting on the forums and only allow the hardcore PvP'ers and griefers to discuss the 'true eve experience' ). Apart from getting you all emotional () about forum posts, would it hurt you in ANY WAY if people could run the toughest lvl4's in high sec? hmm? Nope. I guess there's a few percent of the mission runners who effectively can '***** missions' in factionfitted ships and if the money they rack up upsets you; fine. But don't try and make the rest of the missionrunners look bad because of that. lvl5's and up going to low sec; fine! would be fun and there's a good reason for it (using cap ships), but nerfing lvl4 as it currently is feels like an 'overdone' attempt to move more people to low sec. and finally; I'm playing a game, are you?
Clueless Noobness	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:13:00 - [185] I'm 100% pure carebear. My only pvp strategy is running away (and damn good at it too ) . For what it's worth, I like the changes being talked about. Running missions in low sec is another step up the challenge rungs and there should be extra options/rewards for it. I imagine for the first few weeks after the changes there will a flood of grief oriented players in low sec but then it will fade back to the peaceful place it is now. Where I am is 12 jumps to nearest high sec system and in the last eight or nine weeks I've seen one half hearted gatecamp and not a single instance of a pirate entering a mission I'm in.
Icarus Starkiller Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:21:00 - [186] CCP has been desperately trying to drive high-sec players into low-sec for as long as the game has been active... and nothing has truly worked yet (though admittedly 50% of empire is now populated by macro runners, and there are identified macro squads in 0.0 too). A mission nerf that limits players to lowsec mission space only will not motivate them to move out there any more than now... they'll just stop running missions, or accept the loss of income and simply quit once the profit/time equation equals zero. - Life is pain...anyone who says differently is selling something.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:47:00 - [187] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Hasak Rain It is hard for me to feel any sympathy towards a group of people known for flying around in 2 billion isk T2 fitted ships who face next to zero risk of ever losing it through their easymode play style of repetitive mission running. The funny thing is that they really have nothing to whine about. The changes I read in the blog seem to effect these lvl 4 Empire mission ***s in a very minor way. Seriously, just shut up. From what I heard, there are people known for flying around in tens of billions isk titans in 0.0 who face next to zero risk of ever losing it**. That proves that the risk vs. reward is completely out of whack in 0.0 - it needs to be nerfed. On a more seriuos note: if something does not concern you, heed your own advice and "just shut up". I filled in the part of the sentence you chose to ignore. (Note that it makes your post nonsensical, or at least makes the nonsense more obvious) That's the second post on this page alone where I've seen someone use such a blatant straw man. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:25:00 - [188] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Ogul From what I heard, there are people known for flying around in tens of billions isk titans in 0.0 who face next to zero risk of ever losing it. That proves that the risk vs. reward is completely out of whack in 0.0 - it needs to be nerfed. On a more seriuos note: if something does not concern you, heed your own advice and "just shut up". I filled in the part of the sentence you chose to ignore. (Note that it makes your post nonsensical, or at least makes the nonsense more obvious) That's the second post on this page alone where I've seen someone use such a blatant straw man. This is completely beside the point. Are you seriously complaining about something I did not say in a post that was intended to be ironical? But to address your concern, the chance to lose a titan might just be comparable to the chance to lose a 2b ship in high sec, so the statement would still stand. And I won't go into detail explaning why it just doesn't make any sense to take a 2b isk battleship somewhere it is in any danger of being attacked. (The 1000% risk increase compared to a 20% efficiency increase might play a role there.) The real issue here is the nerf-what-other-people-do-attitude. If missions are so great, run them. I have yet to hear about a single well-known corporation/alliance that funds their operations the "easy way" running missions, but perhaps all the big alliances are just to shortsighted to see this potential.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:34:00 - [189] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Ogul From what I heard, there are people known for flying around in tens of billions isk titans in 0.0 who face next to zero risk of ever losing it. That proves that the risk vs. reward is completely out of whack in 0.0 - it needs to be nerfed. On a more seriuos note: if something does not concern you, heed your own advice and "just shut up". I filled in the part of the sentence you chose to ignore. (Note that it makes your post nonsensical, or at least makes the nonsense more obvious) That's the second post on this page alone where I've seen someone use such a blatant straw man. This is completely beside the point. Are you seriously complaining about something I did not say in a post that was intended to be ironical? I just noticed that out of the small number of posts I read, two of them had people utterly twisting what the quoted person said, making their post pointless. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:40:00 - [190] Originally by: Crumplecorn I just noticed that out of the small number of posts I read, two of them had people utterly twisting what the quoted person said, making their post pointless. Congratulations, then you made the third.

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:45:00 - [191] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Crumplecorn I just noticed that out of the small number of posts I read, two of them had people utterly twisting what the quoted person said, making their post pointless. Congratulations, then you made the third. Yep. And? -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:47:00 - [192] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper No they don't. If devs try to force me into lower sec just to get more challenging I end subscription, I dont go where they think I should. So, No. They dont say what I do or don't do. Or to put it another way. When I cant find any more PvE fun / challenges or I feel that there are more challenges, but they are out of reach I will end subscription. Your logic is so screwy its hilarious. So you're saying if the devs offered MORE content(like they're going to) but only put it in lowsec you'll quit? Can I have your stuff? Quote: And so will a lot others. I doubt it, there will always be a glut of people running L4s in highsec, that wont change when the devs move a few missions into the new L5 category and add a bunch new L4 missions. Quote: So ask your self. You want a game with only hardcore PvP'ers and or a loot of PvEers that also help you pay for the develoopment of the game? Yawn, you realize there are carebears even in 0.0? You realize most of eve will probably still sit in highsec and mine/mission/trade? The only thing this new change will do is encourge more to form groups/corps/alliances in lowsec mission locations for mutual defense, like how quite a few are already doing in lowsec. Quote: And for ISK? I don't go missions for ISK. If I want ISK I mine. Thats where I can pull out the large amount of ISK, even in Empire. I got no problem pulling out 40m - 50m ISK on a evening with mining (After work, before bed) and thats enought for me. LOL, such bull**** its amusing. L4 missioning makes far more ISK/hour than mining in highsec, its something like 3-5 times more, even with the recent inflation of low end mineral prices(which helps high sec mining). dont worry high sec will get a boost but low sec neews further boosting and so does 0.0
Gealbhan Caldari The Big Sky Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:13:00 - [193] Harder mission? Low sec? Falling mineral prices? No real isk making ability from selling minerals? Huh? What? scratches head Umm...How do I make a living? How can I ever hope to move onto to low sec missioning and eventual PvP if I'm crippled now? Seems the honest (none alt macro scripting etc etc) short term (newb) player just got shafted. This will encourage people apart from already established vets to keep playing...how? I'm confused...
Mr Gimlet	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:16:00 - [194] OK Its been said many times through this post - so I thought I should add my 2p. I completely agree that moving all the best (bigger) missions to low sec will be the real sticking point on this subject. There has to be some acceptance that many players just do not want to take part in the PvP aspect of the game and no ammount of arm twisting is going to get them to change their minds. They will just end up leaving and joining some other game where things are more open. OK flame the carebear all you want but I speak the truth. If everyone wanted PvP then there would really be no need for missions at all.
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:33:00 - [195] Ok. Here is the idea: Make a PvE server. One that makes you do something to be PvP flagged... Like attacking a POS, stealing or something. If not your not flagged for attack. There 0.0 would have a LOT of PvE players.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:35:00 - [196] Edited by: James Duar on 27/02/2007 11:32:02 Exactly. CCP, put away the nerfbat - you've tried the stick, time to use the carrot. EDIT: Not in response to the PVE server idea. That's stupid.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:36:00 - [197] Originally by: Mr Gimlet OK Its been said many times through this post - so I thought I should add my 2p. I completely agree that moving all the best (bigger) missions to low sec will be the real sticking point on this subject. There has to be some acceptance that many players just do not want to take part in the PvP aspect of the game and no ammount of arm twisting is going to get them to change their minds. They will just end up leaving and joining some other game where things are more open. OK flame the carebear all you want but I speak the truth. If everyone wanted PvP then there would really be no need for missions at all. You did see the bit where Lv1-3 and slightly nerfed Lv4 will be in highsec, right? The real issue here isn't that Mission Runners want pure PvE content; they have that now, and they will continue to have it. The issue is they want all the content they have decided they want to take part in to be pure PvE. That decision isn't theirs. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:48:00 - [198] Originally by: Crumplecorn The issue is they want all the content they have decided they want to take part in to be pure PvE. That decision isn't theirs. Is always so funny to read people that think they knows better. No, I cant decide that I would like to have stuff in the PVE area, but you can neither decide that it cant. The decision is for CCP to make and I (among a lot others) are trying to influence them in the same way you are. So sentences like "That decision isn't theirs." is so pathetic.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:49:00 - [199] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 27/02/2007 11:51:50 Edited by: Hasak Rain on 27/02/2007 11:51:28 Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Hasak Rain It is hard for me to feel any sympathy towards a group of people known for flying around in 2 billion isk T2 fitted ships who face next to zero risk of ever losing it through their easymode play style of repetitive mission running. The funny thing is that they really have nothing to whine about. The changes I read in the blog seem to effect these lvl 4 Empire mission *****s in a very minor way. Seriously, just shut up. From what I heard, there are people known for flying around in tens of billions isk titans in 0.0. That proves that the risk vs. reward is completely out of whack in 0.0 - it needs to be nerfed. On a more seriuos note: if something does not concern you, heed your own advice and "just shut up". You had to pull a Titan out to try to prove a point? Here is food for thought: You could do the same thing. Move to 0.0 sec and fly Titans. However, we both know that will never happen since you are too frightened to even go to a 0.4 system to do a lvl 5 mission let alone move to no sec right? Instead you want to cry on the forum about how CCP "screwed you" On a more serious note: Go crawl back under the rock you came from idiot.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:53:00 - [200] Originally by: yarrmarr Edited by: yarrmarr on 27/02/2007 08:55:20 Originally by: Hasak Rain The more of this drivel I read, the more I hope you follow through with your threats of leaving the game. I dislike the ganker, smack talking 12 yr old mentality of {some} pirates or "pirate wannabees" as much as you guys do. However, I am starting to agree with them when they say this game would be better off without the whiny carebear mission runners who do nothing but cry just because CCP is not going to spoon feed you isk quite as easily anymore. I think a game where you can be an Elf or a Fairy would suit you better. So long, no one is going to miss you. Hasek, I still haven't read a single valid point coming from you to why the game would be better of without 'whiny carebears'. Apparently you confuse the eve-o forums with the actual game as I haven't seen a single whine in-game. (yes, maybe 'we' should ban carebears from posting on the forums and only allow the hardcore PvP'ers and griefers to discuss the 'true eve experience' ). Apart from getting you all emotional () about forum posts, would it hurt you in ANY WAY if people could run the toughest lvl4's in high sec? hmm? Nope. I guess there's a few percent of the mission runners who effectively can '***** missions' in factionfitted ships and if the money they rack up upsets you; fine. But don't try and make the rest of the missionrunners look bad because of that. lvl5's and up going to low sec; fine! would be fun and there's a good reason for it (using cap ships), but nerfing lvl4 as it currently is feels like an 'overdone' attempt to move more people to low sec. and finally; I'm playing a game, are you? I am not getting emotional. i just think people like you are idiots. In fact, the people crying over such a minor change are the ones getting emotional. However, If laughing at you people is what you consider "getting emotional," I suppose you are correct.

Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:06:00 - [201] Quote: is mission runners just hated by ccp? i remembered a time where you could actually make a great deal of isk by running lvl 3 and 4 missions, but it seems be have gone down hill very fast... it's almost before its not worth even running the missions any more. Mission runners whine, ***** and moan more than any other group in EvE imo. Everyone whines a bit but CCP change the smallest thing in missioning and the forums immediately fill up with mission runners giving it "rabble rabble rabble." Now i dont hate mission runners at all but ffs mate, you got it pretty easy: High sec ISKies, minerals from drone missions, LPs to trade for CNRs to sell for 1bn... Tbh you have it far too easy I have no sympathy at all for you or your post. To put it another way: miners have lost out due to mineral price crash, low-sec is totally boring and fairly empty monday to thursday. Hi sec mission runners? Not affected.
Plasticine Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:06:00 - [202] Oh for god's sake people, have you forgotten this is CCP? What's been outlined in that dev blog will be delivered at least 2 years late and diluted so much it bears little resemblance to the original promises. Moan about it in 2009 when it's actually in place, not now when it's just another CCP-pipe dream.
San Surak	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:08:00 - [203] Originally by: Hasak Rain ...self-serving crap deleted... The core of this is that CCP seems to want to push high sec players out into low sec space. Why, exactly? What is innately superior about the pirate or alliance style of play? Why should a player want to be a worker bee in some giant alliance, being told where to sit in a blob hour after hour or whatever, then finally getting blown up by combination of lag and a titan's doomsday weapon? Because fleet combat is broken, and people get enough of being told what to do in their real lives. Why should a player want to roam about as a ****ant pirate, spending most of his time sitting at a gate or jumping between systems and trying to scan out a mining operation or mission runner, then whining when they get away because they've equipped stabilisers? It's pure tedium. Make PvP actually fun, and more people will want to do it.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:15:00 - [204] Guys.. I spent thousands of dollars in therapy to learn to "take risks" and learn to enjoy life oportunities by "not being fearful of taking on any risk". CCP is offering you free theraphy work! you should be thanking it! EVE was the best therapy tool I ever had! MMO players are mostly classical examples of people with psycological issues around risk ( and that is why they like games, where they are safer than in RL). Eve gives you a chance to grow up above that. Learn to take risks on eve, it will make you a great help on personality and real life dealing. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:17:00 - [205] Originally by: San Surak Originally by: Hasak Rain ...self-serving crap deleted... The core of this is that CCP seems to want to push high sec players out into low sec space. Why, exactly? What is innately superior about the pirate or alliance style of play? Why should a player want to be a worker bee in some giant alliance, being told where to sit in a blob hour after hour or whatever, then finally getting blown up by combination of lag and a titan's doomsday weapon? Because fleet combat is broken, and people get enough of being told what to do in their real lives. Why should a player want to roam about as a ****ant pirate, spending most of his time sitting at a gate or jumping between systems and trying to scan out a mining operation or mission runner, then whining when they get away because they've equipped stabilisers? It's pure tedium. Make PvP actually fun, and more people will want to do it. lol Mr. Clueless. If my posts are so self serving, how about you tell the entire forum what exactly my profession is in this game? What is that? you can't because you don't know? Or are you just assuming I am a Pirate or a PvPer since you have it conditioned into your tiny little mind that anyone who speaks out against Mission Runners MUST be a Pirate? Maybe I just don't agree with you and think you whine too much? For the 900th time: No one is forcing you to be a "worker bee" in a large corp or forcing you to PvP or blah blah blah..... The only thing CCP is doing is moving some of the lvl 4 missions to low sec, renaming them lvl 5's and replacing the ones they took with new missions. You are getting new content on top of it. Get a clue
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:18:00 - [206] Well i like missions, and the only way for ccp to stop me from doing them is removing them completely, what i don't like is beeing forced in low sec against my will, people should have a choice, but ccp knows damn well that if they make the step between L2 to L4 easier then make a harder L4 version, call it L5 and stick it in low sec only they are forcing people to do 1 of 3 things, 1 content with the nerfed L4's and stay in hi sec, force the veteran L4 runner to go to low sec or forcing them to.. well... Quit... Now the last part is really REALLY bad, unless ccp doesn't like making money. For me personally i might just go check out the new L5's as i'm used to the eve old credo of 'adapt or die'. But we'll see what happens... Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
Plasticine Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:23:00 - [207] Originally by: Hasak Rain lol Mr. Clueless. If my posts are so self serving, how about you tell the entire forum what exactly my profession is in this game? What is that? you can't because you don't know? Or are you just assuming I am a Pirate or a PvPer since you have it conditioned into your tiny little mind that anyone who speaks out against Mission Runners MUST be a Pirate? Maybe I just don't agree with you and think you whine too much? For the 900th time: No one is forcing you to be a "worker bee" in a large corp or forcing you to PvP or blah blah blah..... The only thing CCP is doing is moving some of the lvl 4 missions to low sec, renaming them lvl 5's and replacing the ones they took with new missions. You are getting new content on top of it. Get a clue Could you explain why it is exactly that your posts are so hostile, angry, insulting and generally rude? I don't understand it, this should be a simple discussion, not this moronic slanging that sounds like something out of a primary school playground. Attacking someone who has a conflicting view to yours is known as an ad hominem argument and it's completely useless - it contributes nothing to a dialogue, it simply attempts to drag discussion away from areas that you cannot answer or don't wish to discuss. It's what the gutter/tabloid press do to discredit people, and frankly it's pathetic. If you don't like mission runners then grief them. It's the CCP way. If you like running missions then run them, but be prepared for CCP to make it awkward, difficult and tedious at every opportunity they can because, well, it's CCP. But please, stop attacking the poster - try focussing on the post instead, it leads to much more mature discussions.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:26:00 - [208] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Well i like missions, and the only way for ccp to stop me from doing them is removing them completely, what i don't like is beeing forced in low sec against my will, people should have a choice, but ccp knows damn well that if they make the step between L2 to L4 easier then make a harder L4 version, call it L5 and stick it in low sec only they are forcing people to do 1 of 3 things, 1 content with the nerfed L4's and stay in hi sec, force the veteran L4 runner to go to low sec or forcing them to.. well... Quit... Now the last part is really REALLY bad, unless ccp doesn't like making money. For me personally i might just go check out the new L5's as i'm used to the eve old credo of 'adapt or die'. But we'll see what happens... In the blog, the Dev stated that the lvl 4's in which they are taking out and converting to lvl 5's never should have been Empire missions to begin with. Therefore, they aren't nerfing anything. They are just correcting an error they made.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:26:00 - [209] The CCP will loose moeny statement is reaallly overestimated! Why? Cause 90% of CCP cost is to mantain servers to the overcrowded empire. So if they for example move 30% of the runners to low sec, but Loose 10% of teh carebears. CCP will still PROFIT! Why? Because the bottleneck on the server is empire.. and with that movmewnt they reduce their cost by 40% of empire ..... (these are only guesswork numbers) So threatening CCP by saying.. "I WILL LEAVE!" Won't work If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Shorin	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:32:00 - [210] Originally by: Hasak Rain In fact, the people crying over such a minor change are the ones getting emotional. It is only a minor change to you. To some of us, it is a major playstyle change. When I was doing level 1 missions, as a non-PvP carebear, I could look forward to doing more challenging level 2 missions. When I was doing level 2 missions, as a non-PvP carebear, I could look forward to doing more challenging level 3 missions. When I was doing level 3 missions, as a non-PvP carebear, I could look forward to doing more challenging level 4 missions. When I was doing level 4 missions, as a non-PvP carebear, I could look forward to doing more challenging level 5 missions. Yes, level 5 missions. I could see the level 5 agents distributed throughout high security space. Only recently were they removed. Now we know why. I'm not asking for more reward and less risk. Nerf the payout on the missions to balance it if needed. I'm fine with that. But that's not what is happening. For 4 years I have been allowed to do all the missions AND avoid PvP combat. PvP combat is not something I enjoy doing, nor will I ever. I respect the desire for other people to do it though. I also respect those PvPers who respect my desire to play as I wish (and many do understand). Now I am being told I can do all the missions OR avoid PvP combat. That is a major shift. I'm not allowed to do both any longer. I have NOTHING else to look forward to when it comes to missions and I have NOTHING to lose by speaking up. I have hit a peak, a wall so to speak. Unless I am willing to participate in PvP combat, which I am not, then my style of gameplay will soon become extinct. You may argue that it is for the better. You could be right. It is not for me to say. All I can say is that when there are no further challenges for me in a MMORPG, I tend to quit the game. This wouldn't be the first time. In fact, it is my love of Eve up until this point that makes me fire a warning shot across its bow. You could make the claim that I should just learn to enjoy PvP. That's what the devs are asking me to do. It isn't going to happen. I don't know how many other ways I can put this. I do not enjoy participating in PvP combat. I will not pay to participate in PvP combat. I will find another game. It is just that simple. Clearly I am not alone. Further, if "laughing at you people" is the type of community you wish to develop within the game of Eve, perhaps you will get your wish. Perhaps many will quit. It cuts both ways though. I've got better ways to spend my time than have "you people" tell me how I should enjoy playing a game.



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