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Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:35:00 - [211] Originally by: Hasak Rain Edited by: Hasak Rain on 27/02/2007 11:51:50 Edited by: Hasak Rain on 27/02/2007 11:51:28 Originally by: Ogul From what I heard, there are people known for flying around in tens of billions isk titans in 0.0. That proves that the risk vs. reward is completely out of whack in 0.0 - it needs to be nerfed. On a more seriuos note: if something does not concern you, heed your own advice and "just shut up". You had to pull a Titan out to try to prove a point? Here is food for thought: You could do the same thing. Move to 0.0 sec and fly Titans. However, we both know that will never happen since you are too frightened to even go to a 0.4 system to do a lvl 5 mission let alone move to no sec right? Instead you want to cry on the forum about how CCP "screwed you" On a more serious note: Go crawl back under the rock you came from idiot. I apologize, an ad hominem argument is so much better suited to prove a point. Forgive me for using irony to illustrate the flawed logic in your post. Since I will not even consider to resort to name-calling like you did, I will just say that you assume too much and know too little, especially about me or "the average mission runner".
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:40:00 - [212] Originally by: Plasticine Perfection Originally by: Hasak Rain lol Mr. Clueless. If my posts are so self serving, how about you tell the entire forum what exactly my profession is in this game? What is that? you can't because you don't know? Or are you just assuming I am a Pirate or a PvPer since you have it conditioned into your tiny little mind that anyone who speaks out against Mission Runners MUST be a Pirate? Maybe I just don't agree with you and think you whine too much? For the 900th time: No one is forcing you to be a "worker bee" in a large corp or forcing you to PvP or blah blah blah..... The only thing CCP is doing is moving some of the lvl 4 missions to low sec, renaming them lvl 5's and replacing the ones they took with new missions. You are getting new content on top of it. Get a clue Could you explain why it is exactly that your posts are so hostile, angry, insulting and generally rude? I don't understand it, this should be a simple discussion, not this moronic slanging that sounds like something out of a primary school playground. Attacking someone who has a conflicting view to yours is known as an ad hominem argument and it's completely useless - it contributes nothing to a dialogue, it simply attempts to drag discussion away from areas that you cannot answer or don't wish to discuss. It's what the gutter/tabloid press do to discredit people, and frankly it's pathetic. If you don't like mission runners then grief them. It's the CCP way. If you like running missions then run them, but be prepared for CCP to make it awkward, difficult and tedious at every opportunity they can because, well, it's CCP. But please, stop attacking the poster - try focussing on the post instead, it leads to much more mature discussions. I disagree. my posts are filled with facts along with the insults. In fact, I do not insult anyone unless they insult me first or post something VERY ignorant. I think I answered all the points made in my posts and never tried to "drag the disussion away from areas I could not answer." In fact, I felt I answered most of the whines quite clearly. Yes I do have an angry and aggressive writing style at times. I won't apologize for that because after all, I am an American and we are ALL angry. Seriously though, stop worrying about the tone and concentrate on the message instead. My message is basically, "stop whining about it because it is a minor change."
San Surak	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:42:00 - [213] Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: San Surak Originally by: Hasak Rain ...self-serving crap deleted... The core of this is that CCP seems to want to push high sec players out into low sec space. Why, exactly? What is innately superior about the pirate or alliance style of play? Why should a player want to be a worker bee in some giant alliance, being told where to sit in a blob hour after hour or whatever, then finally getting blown up by combination of lag and a titan's doomsday weapon? Because fleet combat is broken, and people get enough of being told what to do in their real lives. Why should a player want to roam about as a ****ant pirate, spending most of his time sitting at a gate or jumping between systems and trying to scan out a mining operation or mission runner, then whining when they get away because they've equipped stabilisers? It's pure tedium. Make PvP actually fun, and more people will want to do it. lol Mr. Clueless. If my posts are so self serving, how about you tell the entire forum what exactly my profession is in this game? What is that? you can't because you don't know? Or are you just assuming I am a Pirate or a PvPer since you have it conditioned into your tiny little mind that anyone who speaks out against Mission Runners MUST be a Pirate? Maybe I just don't agree with you and think you whine too much? For the 900th time: No one is forcing you to be a "worker bee" in a large corp or forcing you to PvP or blah blah blah..... The only thing CCP is doing is moving some of the lvl 4 missions to low sec, renaming them lvl 5's and replacing the ones they took with new missions. You are getting new content on top of it. Get a clue Thanks, already have one. Here is one for you: the focus of this discussion was about CCP trying to apply pressure ("encourage") players to move out into low sec space. But then, you have no answers, just invective. I've been reading your posts and they all amount to a steaming pile, the gist of which is that anyone that doesn't like this is a whiner.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:45:00 - [214] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Hasak Rain Edited by: Hasak Rain on 27/02/2007 11:51:50 Edited by: Hasak Rain on 27/02/2007 11:51:28 Originally by: Ogul From what I heard, there are people known for flying around in tens of billions isk titans in 0.0. That proves that the risk vs. reward is completely out of whack in 0.0 - it needs to be nerfed. On a more seriuos note: if something does not concern you, heed your own advice and "just shut up". You had to pull a Titan out to try to prove a point? Here is food for thought: You could do the same thing. Move to 0.0 sec and fly Titans. However, we both know that will never happen since you are too frightened to even go to a 0.4 system to do a lvl 5 mission let alone move to no sec right? Instead you want to cry on the forum about how CCP "screwed you" On a more serious note: Go crawl back under the rock you came from idiot. I apologize, an ad hominem argument is so much better suited to prove a point. Forgive me for using irony to illustrate the flawed logic in your post. Since I will not even consider to resort to name-calling like you did, I will just say that you assume too much and know too little, especially about me or "the average mission runner". I haven't read anything for you that proved a point. Which point have you proven? I am glad you are above namecalling and just tell people to "shut up" instead. Hypocrite.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:55:00 - [215] Originally by: San Surak Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: San Surak Originally by: Hasak Rain ...self-serving crap deleted... The core of this is that CCP seems to want to push high sec players out into low sec space. Why, exactly? What is innately superior about the pirate or alliance style of play? Why should a player want to be a worker bee in some giant alliance, being told where to sit in a blob hour after hour or whatever, then finally getting blown up by combination of lag and a titan's doomsday weapon? Because fleet combat is broken, and people get enough of being told what to do in their real lives. Why should a player want to roam about as a ****ant pirate, spending most of his time sitting at a gate or jumping between systems and trying to scan out a mining operation or mission runner, then whining when they get away because they've equipped stabilisers? It's pure tedium. Make PvP actually fun, and more people will want to do it. lol Mr. Clueless. If my posts are so self serving, how about you tell the entire forum what exactly my profession is in this game? What is that? you can't because you don't know? Or are you just assuming I am a Pirate or a PvPer since you have it conditioned into your tiny little mind that anyone who speaks out against Mission Runners MUST be a Pirate? Maybe I just don't agree with you and think you whine too much? For the 900th time: No one is forcing you to be a "worker bee" in a large corp or forcing you to PvP or blah blah blah..... The only thing CCP is doing is moving some of the lvl 4 missions to low sec, renaming them lvl 5's and replacing the ones they took with new missions. You are getting new content on top of it. Get a clue Thanks, already have one. Here is one for you: the focus of this discussion was about CCP trying to apply pressure ("encourage") players to move out into low sec space. But then, you have no answers, just invective. I've been reading your posts and they all amount to a steaming pile, the gist of which is that anyone that doesn't like this is a whiner. Nope, this thread is titled " Mission Runners hated by CCP?" which told me just from that this was going to be a bunch of carebears crying about a minor change to their precious missions. Even the blog stated that they aren't trying to move you out to low sec or the Devs "hate mission runners." Here is my answer since you claim I don't have one. 1) First get a grip on yourself. You seem upset. 2) Continue to run your lvl 4's in Empire and don't go to low sec BECAUSE NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO. 3) Stop exaggerating the "problem" on these forums in the form of whining. The Dev stated those lvl 4's they are taking out never should have been allowed in Empire but none of you seem to want to discuss that point eh? 4) If you don't like 1-3, then quit.
yarrmarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:59:00 - [216] Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: yarrmarr Edited by: yarrmarr on 27/02/2007 08:55:20 Originally by: Hasak Rain The more of this drivel I read, the more I hope you follow through with your threats of leaving the game. I dislike the ganker, smack talking 12 yr old mentality of {some} pirates or "pirate wannabees" as much as you guys do. However, I am starting to agree with them when they say this game would be better off without the whiny carebear mission runners who do nothing but cry just because CCP is not going to spoon feed you isk quite as easily anymore. I think a game where you can be an Elf or a Fairy would suit you better. So long, no one is going to miss you. Hasek, I still haven't read a single valid point coming from you to why the game would be better of without 'whiny carebears'. Apparently you confuse the eve-o forums with the actual game as I haven't seen a single whine in-game. (yes, maybe 'we' should ban carebears from posting on the forums and only allow the hardcore PvP'ers and griefers to discuss the 'true eve experience' ). Apart from getting you all emotional () about forum posts, would it hurt you in ANY WAY if people could run the toughest lvl4's in high sec? hmm? Nope. I guess there's a few percent of the mission runners who effectively can '***** missions' in factionfitted ships and if the money they rack up upsets you; fine. But don't try and make the rest of the missionrunners look bad because of that. lvl5's and up going to low sec; fine! would be fun and there's a good reason for it (using cap ships), but nerfing lvl4 as it currently is feels like an 'overdone' attempt to move more people to low sec. and finally; I'm playing a game, are you? I am not getting emotional. i just think people like you are idiots. In fact, the people crying over such a minor change are the ones getting emotional. However, If laughing at you people is what you consider "getting emotional," I suppose you are correct. calling me an idiot? for what, asking you to clarify your insults? shows your frustrations. I ask you once again; I'm playing a game, are you?
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:04:00 - [217] Originally by: Hasak Rain I haven't read anything for you that proved a point. Which point have you proven? I am glad you are above namecalling and just tell people to "shut up" instead. Hypocrite. Don't like your own words directed back at you? Just don't speak them in the first place.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:08:00 - [218] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Hasak Rain I haven't read anything for you that proved a point. Which point have you proven? I am glad you are above namecalling and just tell people to "shut up" instead. Hypocrite. Don't like your own words directed back at you? Just don't speak them in the first place. Oh I don't care what you say to me. Why would I? You are just "Mission runner whiner # 3,079" to me. You will be forgotten the moment I get up to get my next cup of coffee. For the record, i never told YOU to shut up but you did tell me that. Do i really need to explain the difference to you though?
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:10:00 - [219] Then I want to be "Mission runner whiner # 3,080"
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:14:00 - [220] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper Then I want to be "Mission runner whiner # 3,080" lol granted. I here by dub you 3,080.

d026 Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:17:00 - [221] lvl 5's and and 4's will be fine. looking forward to the changes:)
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:22:00 - [222] Originally by: d026 lvl 5's and and 4's will be fine. looking forward to the changes:) I too am looking forward to it. It is new content for God sakes. I never got passed lvl 2's myself on any of my characters but if they are revamping them and adding new levels, I may start doing them again.
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:26:00 - [223] lol remember when wtz came in and all the pirates were going wtf!? and all you guys said was "ADAPT OR DIE hur hur hur" The shoe is on the other foot now Ah the lulz are strong with this thread
DarkFenix Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:19:00 - [224] My common sense is screaming at me not to post any more in this thread, but some of the complaints really are getting on my nerves. Mission runners and not getting some kind of uber nerf bat. Your highsec mission running still exists albeit at a slightly lower income. You are getting more optional content if you want to step up the risk vs reward ladder. That's right, risk vs reward, everyone else is subject to it (well, at least everyone should be), and now so will you. Let's use the example of miners, one of the most prevalent professions on Eve. They are subject to risk vs reward. If they want to mine high end ores they have to move into 0.0. This requires them to run the risk of pvpers coming and popping them, and requires considerable logistical organisation to maximise profits. So what's the problem? Form groups, alliances even. Move to lowsec, defend your space (or perhaps hire mercs to do so with your increased profits?). If you have a problem with that and want to play solo, then I'm sorry but Eve just isn't the game for you. I know you've heard this a million times, but Eve is an MMO. No, that doesn't mean you have to play as a group, what it means is to reap the greatest rewards from the game you need to play as a group. The MMO genre as a whole is not designed for the casual gamer, in all such games you either need to grind for extended amounts of time, or need to cooperate with other players. A bunch of threats to quit from the vocal minority on forums is not going to make CCP change their minds at all. CCP will change the game as they see fit, into what their vision of it is. If you really want to make yourself heard, how about voicing some useful, constructive and realistic suggestions about exactly what could be done as an alternative? All I see in this thread is condemnation of CCP's changes on the matter, without any real clear motive other than wanting to preserve an easy income source ingame.
18 Rabbit	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:16:00 - [225] When you sit in a blob in 0.0 churning through complexes, generating billions upon billions of isk from thin air, exactly what risks are you running? If you say "ship destruction", then we both know you lose. All complexes and all rat bounties in 0.0 should be removed. Mine for your ships, build them, and destroy them. No more risk free isk generation. The trillions of isk coming out of thin air in 0.0 from complexes and bounties has to be stopped before it ruins the game.
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:23:00 - [226] Originally by: FromBeyond TheGrave lol remember when wtz came in and all the pirates were going wtf!? and all you guys said was "ADAPT OR DIE hur hur hur" The shoe is on the other foot now Ah the lulz are strong with this thread Haha, so true.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:25:00 - [227] Originally by: DarkFenix That's right, risk vs reward, everyone else is subject to it (well, at least everyone should be), and now so will you. When it comes to grinding (yes, that includes both missions and mining), risk vs. reward is not the final word, because it all boils down to the isk/hour ratio (let's call it grind efficiency). To get a decent grind efficiency out of low sec (compared to high sec missions) we would need either an drastic decrease in risk (small to medium chance of getting ganked in an expensive ship still equals high risk) or an equally drastic increase in rewards. Originally by: DarkFenix Mission runners and not getting some kind of uber nerf bat. Your highsec mission running still exists albeit at a slightly lower income. You are getting more optional content if you want to step up the risk vs reward ladder. Additional missions are a completely different issue, though I am not sure if we need grind content for large groups.
Shorin	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:33:00 - [228] Edited by: Shorin on 27/02/2007 15:34:07 Originally by: DarkFenix ...one of the things that makes Eve so great is that we're not herded into a single method of play by the devs... That is something you said recently. I absolutely agree with it. This is what is coming... Quote: Slowly involves the "PvE" player in more "PvP" EVE activity. At least for me, this has nothing to do with risk vs. reward. For the record, those who play in 0.0 deserve much better rewards than those who hang out in 0.5+. My problem is that I do not wish to be slowly herded from PvE to PvP. I've been playing the game for nearly 4 years. To the best of my recollection, this is the first time I have complained about an upcoming change. They asked for feedback and I do appreciate that. Perhaps I'm offering too much feedback. So be it. My complaint about the proposed change is that the career path of the PvE non-PvP mission runner such as myself is coming to an end. Unlike you, I do not enjoy PvP. Should I continue to avoid it, I have officially hit a brick wall when it comes to future challenging mission content. If that had happened the first year it would be one thing. This is the 4th year though. I was looking forward to doing level 5 missions (regardless of the reward) without having to engage in PvP. It was not an unreasonable thing. I could SEE the agents seeded in high sec space. They were only recently removed. As for the mining analogy, the gameplay of the hulk is very similar between high sec space and low sec space. It is only the reward that changes and what crystals are equiped in your strip miners. Further, I do like to mine. It never felt like my gameplay was even remotely nerfed by having higher end asteroids in 0.0 space. The risk/reward seemed just fine to me. Why can't the same thing apply to missions? Nerf the reward to kingdom come for all I care, but please don't nerf the actual gameplay. If given the option of doing trivially easy level 4 missions long-term or engaging in PvP combat so I can do more challenging missions I will choose to do neither. I understand where you are coming from. I really do. I can understand why this topic upsets you and to be honest I agree with some of your points. Unlike some, I do not think CCP hates mission runners. I think CCP is doing what they think is best for the game. I have no sympathy for people who demand the same reward with less risk. However, since I won't PvP this may put an end to future challenges when it comes to missions (unless the "optional" level 4 misison content is MUCH more difficult). I find level 4 missions trivial as they are. Would you enjoy playing a game that became trivial? Long-term, I won't. I'll find something better to do. I hope this makes sense and you can see where I am coming from. So you asked for something constructive. Yet another good point. Here goes. Allow level 5 missions in high sec space but nerf the rewards to the point it is fair. You should need at least 2 ships, working together, to finish a level 6 mission (not found in high sec space). They should not be able to be completed by a ship acting alone. This wouldn't be an optimal solution, but would at least allow the many carebear mission runners, such as myself, a place to grow. What would be the harm? It wouldn't be like we'd be getting rewarded unfairly. By definition, rewards would be nerfed to the point that they are fair. Of course, that is just my opinion. It would work for me. I can't say it would work for everyone. However, if implemented, what would be the harm? Is this something you could endorse?
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:48:00 - [229] How can someone not enjoy PVP? Its human instinct to KILL! Just after food and sex bothing is more deeply rooted in human brain thatn that. Competition by use of a gression (economical PVP is also inside that). If you don't enjoy PVP you need a theraphist, you are a woman (no offense intended to woman, just stating that they are naturally much less agressive,) or have never tried. You can pretty much prefer PvE, but I can't even start to imagien why someoen would want to be perfeclty safe with no chalange and not wanting any bit of adrenaline 100% of time. And by God's sake.. its so easy to be safe out of empire (in fact i am MUCH MUCH safer out of empire) that as long as you don't get AFK, you will only be forced to engage if you cross VERY specific dangerous gates. Again.. CCP is really makinga favor for you. Giving an oportunity to face the fear of taking risk! That is an oportunity of achievement and self improvment. People that do not need this, might even not prefer PVP, but wouldn't be scared of trying at least to make some missions in low sec. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:55:00 - [230] BTW, a hint. To any of the missions runners that have a bit more courage than a napkin.. makea brand new jump clone.. no implants. Buy a brand new BC (very cheap for any mission runner). Fit 2 core stabs. Go to molden heat, a low sec region with great anti pirate groups. As soon as you get in, go to a station, remove your stabs and put real modules. Try aquiring a bit info about the anti pirate channels, just ask in local. Now try to do some lelve 2 misions there in low sec.. just for sake of experimenting. And really tell me that you are in a huge OMFG risk, and that running a lower grande mission in a cheaper ship was not more fun for the simple fact that you have a small chance, of having to think, of reacting to something unexpected and pay attention to local. If you do that , and even so consider that this is a terror, you really need professional help, sorry, At least be sure that your childreen have proper therapist to avoid them having a miserable life by adquiring this trait. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!

Shorin	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:21:00 - [231] Originally by: Kagura Nikon How can someone not enjoy PVP? Maybe I should fine tune my criteria. I do not enjoy PvP within a MMORPG. I need a therapist? Many people need therapists, perhaps myself included. Believe it or not I'm a burned out lead software gaming programmer who survived MANY rounds of layoffs only to eventually quit (like a rat leaving a sinking ship). I am a woman? No! But oddly, I have an alt that's one. "Corpse Trader", all bark and no bite. I have never tried? No, I've tried. Just don't enjoy it in MMORPGs. I had a lot of fun playing Unreal Tournament for instance. So I guess you got me on the first one. I need a therapist. It isn't a safety thing. It really isn't. I play to relax. I once joked to that Eve is a great game to play while you are doing other things. For example, sometimes playing Eve while watching the new Battlestar Galactica works for me. Go figure. So what is it I actually enjoy doing? * I enjoy collecting skills and skill points. Is that not a form of competition? * I enjoy improving my ships and getting new gear. He with the most toys wins? I don't have the most toys, but after 4 years I'm doing okay. * I enjoy watching my security status climb. Don't ask me why. Maybe it is the therapist thing! We each have different things we want out of the game. I'm not looking for "no challenges" long-term though or I wouldn't be complaining. I'd simply continue to pound away on trivially easy level 4 missions until the end of time. I've been patiently waiting for the next round of challenges just like I was when I was doing level 3 missions awaiting level 4 missions. My patience isn't infinite though.
Felio	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:26:00 - [232] Well.. 8 pages of this so I'm sure everything that could be said already has been. The reduction in prices of mission offers is due by the market being over saturated with them which is also due by the huge influx of people running level missions for a living. It's the only way to make a decent amount of ISK without having to venture into risk or set up a multi account macro mining operation.
Leandro Salazar Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:28:00 - [233] Originally by: Kagura Nikon How can someone not enjoy PVP? Its human instinct to KILL! Just after food and sex bothing is more deeply rooted in human brain thatn that. Competition by use of a gression (economical PVP is also inside that). If you don't enjoy PVP you need a theraphist. Wish I could think this is a joke, but I am afraid this person is serious... What do you think we are doing in missions? Right, we kill things. In fact we kill things without hurting another real person. And that is enjoyable. If you only get enjoyment out of visiting pain upon real persons, I think it is YOU who needs a therapist... --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel
Sammiel Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:29:00 - [234] Originally by: 18 Rabbit When you sit in a blob in 0.0 churning through complexes, generating billions upon billions of isk from thin air, exactly what risks are you running? If you say "ship destruction", then we both know you lose. All complexes and all rat bounties in 0.0 should be removed. Mine for your ships, build them, and destroy them. No more risk free isk generation. The trillions of isk coming out of thin air in 0.0 from complexes and bounties has to be stopped before it ruins the game. 0.0 has a sink in the form of POSes. The vast majority of 0.0 is conquerable, and they require a lot of upkeep, much of it in the form of sinks. Plus much of the trillions of ISK coming from complexes is from faction loot, which isn't ISK generation. Not to mention running complexes isn't risk free. They can be fought over. The same cannot be said for missions in high sec. So your analogy is inept. DEATHLEY > why dont u remain silent like prominent alliances like our band of brothers do
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:34:00 - [235] How long with this thread actualy be active? its full of whining NPCers that are too lazy to work for thier money. Click maybe ? Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
d026 Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:52:00 - [236] complexes are arround the same isk injectors as lvl 4's.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:02:00 - [237] Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 27/02/2007 16:59:00 Like others have said: Why not let CCP make a carebear cluster with a carebear version of EvE? I mean, it's not like EVE is the only MMO from CCP... /me points at CCP+WhiteWolf merger (hint: fangs)
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:02:00 - [238] Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 27/02/2007 16:59:00 Like others have said: Why not let CCP make a carebear cluster with a carebear version of EvE? I mean, it's not like EVE is the only MMO from CCP... /me points at CCP+WhiteWolf merger (hint: fangs)
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:04:00 - [239] Originally by: Sinder Ohm How long with this thread actualy be active? its full of whining NPCers that are too lazy to work for thier money. Click maybe ? The mods and devs are mission runners its a conspiracy!
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:04:00 - [240] Originally by: Sinder Ohm How long with this thread actualy be active? its full of whining NPCers that are too lazy to work for thier money. Click maybe ? The mods and devs are mission runners its a conspiracy!



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