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Lord Dynastron
Mystical Knights
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:46:00 -
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 Originally by: agel blonde
I know CCP is allowing supply and demand to control the markets, but surely than can include some script such that if a particular item reached a certain price then some become seeded on the market at a lower price to increase competition and force the market down.
This would have the same effect as releasing more bpos and allow CCP to somewhat stop things on the market from getting out of control
you know what? That is actually a really good idea! Hulks will soon reach 600 million each,, and that is a little silly. TBH,, I think they are reseeding some Hulks,, well,, some of everything no?
However, these things continue to sell (<--very key issue) as fast as they can be built, so the problem may be lots of people have too much money. Eve needs more isk sinks. Money that does not go from player to player but out of the game comletely. Custom ship colors come to mind.
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Father Weebles
North Face Force
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:14:00 -
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gg's ccp
way to make sure your customers are happy
pathetic on ccp's part, truly sad they have left this issue to stagnate for so long and only fix it when one of their own gives free t2 bpos to alliance.
/me gives CCP the finger
"Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:24:00 -
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If I were a Hulk BPO owner I would sell Hulk's for 200 million on purpose.
Because very few people are willing or able to pay 600 million ISK for an Exhumer.
You would make WAAAY more ISK in volume to more people buying them at 200 mil then 600 mil.
The BPO owners do not know how to run a business.
So in response, Cloora should be given a copy of all T2 BPO's as she would use it to better the community of EVE. 
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I don't want to be forced to Jet Can mine or buy a hauler alt to mine effectivly. BIGGER CARGO HOLDS IN BARGES NOW! |
Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:38:00 -
[34]
You dont seem to understand.
I make about 1 hulk per day, and it sells within 1 hour at 500m. At 600m it sells within a day.
You CANT make up for it with volume. Since there is a game-enforced limit to the number that can be produced (About 28 per day right now).
Its impossible to produce more of them. Your claim that BPO owners know nothing about running a business is countered by you knowing nothing about how T2 works in EVE.
Originally by: Cloora
If I were a Hulk BPO owner I would sell Hulk's for 200 million on purpose.
Because very few people are willing or able to pay 600 million ISK for an Exhumer.
You would make WAAAY more ISK in volume to more people buying them at 200 mil then 600 mil.
The BPO owners do not know how to run a business.
So in response, Cloora should be given a copy of all T2 BPO's as she would use it to better the community of EVE.
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Fabrica
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:00:00 -
[35]
Can someone sell me a Bugatti Veyron for ú100 because i think the ú850,000 price tag on them is a bit steep.
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Xander XacXorien
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:28:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Fabrica
Can someone sell me a Bugatti Veyron for ú100 because i think the ú850,000 price tag on them is a bit steep.
If the demand was there people would produce the car for less money.
In fact if you notice the base performance of cars is going up everyday.
In the years to come no doubt the car will be seen as less and less of an upgrade. It is the nature of progress.
However, if Bugatti never sold a car due to the price they would go out of business. Hence the price has to be reasonable to those that can afford to pay the money, the cost to produce and the demand.
No account is made of demand because no one can invent a BPO.
No account is made of costs, because it is impossible for a T2 BPO to go out of business, they can only leave the game.
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Kur'Dekaija
Atomic Heroes
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:38:00 -
[37]
well I might get flamed for this but I only see bunch of whiners in this thread on all other "t2 is to expensive" threads.
Its good imo that t2 prices are like this, the one who can afford it gets a sense of eliteness over the other  And their are ways to get cheaper t2 items/ships, just gotta work on what EVE is about, interaction between players.
If you are wondering then NO I don't have a t2 BPO, if I had one then everyone in my corp would be flying carriers by now
I blame the mission runners for the high prices.. if there weren't so much isk in game(they injected it with whoring missions) prices wouldn't be so high.. its way to easy to get isk nowadays.
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:49:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Xander XacXorien
Originally by: Fabrica
Can someone sell me a Bugatti Veyron for ú100 because i think the ú850,000 price tag on them is a bit steep.
If the demand was there people would produce the car for less money.
In fact if you notice the base performance of cars is going up everyday.
In the years to come no doubt the car will be seen as less and less of an upgrade. It is the nature of progress.
However, if Bugatti never sold a car due to the price they would go out of business. Hence the price has to be reasonable to those that can afford to pay the money, the cost to produce and the demand.
No account is made of demand because no one can invent a BPO.
No account is made of costs, because it is impossible for a T2 BPO to go out of business, they can only leave the game.
Except there's only a finite number of Veyrons ever produced. Then again, their buildcost is way more than 850k, so it's a wrong analogy on many levels.
On topic. Think a hulk is too expensive? Don't buy it. If enough people follow your example, prices will drop. It really is that simple.
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:51:00 -
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well tbh buying a hulk is like buying these designer label clothes or that super-expensive car:
its for your ego and some minor comforts.
A hulk can maybe tank 0.0 spawn, but a battleship/bc can so with ease and without the risk to loose 700mil+ (ships + gistii), so tbh I see not many people tanking in their hulks.
What they can is:
add another 21% mining yield over the covetor (15% by exhumer 5 and 5% by a 2nd mining upgrade)
have enough capacitor to fire 3 strip IIs at once (a covetor has to cycle those which was going on my nerves realy fast)
have twice the cargo capacity, so you are cool with emptying your cargo every 6 mins (with rigs).
have enough resists and mids for resists to be able to survive a 0.0 spawn long enough for a friendly ratter to kill it or you to dock.
if you calculate it ISK wise the hulk isnt worth its 500mil since you can pay for a 2nd covetor with the 80% more mining 2 covetors would mean over 1 hulk, for the gtc for the 2nd acc.
and finally they have style :).
yeah I would like to see their prices at 100-200mil too (and by god in heaven I'd instantly sell my bpo for 100bil if I'd win one and dont stick to it), but as long as invention isnt boosted & allowed to invent hulks, it wont happen.
and even if we can ivnent hulks it will take many motnhs for the prices to fall as the first 100-200 hulks invented will shurely be sold as expensive as the bpo ones. If not, resellers will do the trick.
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illusionary beauty
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:02:00 -
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I once talked to someone who owned a Hulk BPO. They said they would give me a discounted one for 450 mil. He said he loses 75 mil selling them to alliance members but he was willing to take the isk loss to help out. I shouldve told him to go **** himself since he still makes tons of money off selling them to alliance members for what a 75 mil discount. pft. Sad thing is if i dont buy it from him for the discount, my only other option is to buy it in empire for max cost and all the ones at max cost are his anyways. So i said screw mining and went back to ratting.
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Xaildaine
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: illusionary beauty
So i said screw mining and went back to ratting.
And so the mining industry suffers.
Invention of barges is a must... after they make invention woth the time effort and risk.
Along with invention id also like to see another NPC corp other than ORE get into the buisness of makeing some mining barges and ships....
The lack of options in mining is realy sad
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kember
Gallente
Orion Faction
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:10:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Auron Shadowbane
have enough capacitor to fire 3 strip IIs at once (a covetor has to cycle those which was going on my nerves realy fast)
Eh? I must have some weird uber skills, as my covey keeps all 3 blazing away with no problems.
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ghosttr
Amarr
The Silent Rage
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:20:00 -
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Hopefully ccp will at least fix the invention so t2 hulk bps can be invented, that should drop down the prices from wtf, to just omg
Looking to join an allaince with 0.0 access where i am allowed to build poses. EVE-Mail me if you have any opportunities. |
Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:26:00 -
[44]
Originally by: kember
Originally by: Auron Shadowbane
have enough capacitor to fire 3 strip IIs at once (a covetor has to cycle those which was going on my nerves realy fast)
Eh? I must have some weird uber skills, as my covey keeps all 3 blazing away with no problems.
maybe you just use noob crystalls or dont udnerstand me:
a strip mienr II with bistot/ark/crokit t2 crystall takes 175 cap to fire and a covetor has ~300+skills.
shure it can run them, if you leave time, but he cant fire them simultaneous.
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:26:00 -
[45]
Originally by: kember
Originally by: Auron Shadowbane
have enough capacitor to fire 3 strip IIs at once (a covetor has to cycle those which was going on my nerves realy fast)
Eh? I must have some weird uber skills, as my covey keeps all 3 blazing away with no problems.
maybe you just use noob crystalls or dont udnerstand me:
a strip mienr II with bistot/ark/crokit t2 crystall takes 175 cap to fire and a covetor has ~300+skills.
shure it can run them, if you leave time, but he cant fire them simultaneous.
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:26:00 -
[46]
Originally by: kember
Originally by: Auron Shadowbane
have enough capacitor to fire 3 strip IIs at once (a covetor has to cycle those which was going on my nerves realy fast)
Eh? I must have some weird uber skills, as my covey keeps all 3 blazing away with no problems.
maybe you just use noob crystalls or dont udnerstand me:
a strip mienr II with bistot/ark/crokit t2 crystall takes 175 cap to fire and a covetor has ~300+skills.
shure it can run them, if you leave time, but he cant fire them simultaneous.
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Allen Deckard
Gallente
WTB Supplies
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:39:00 -
[47]
duno personally I believe you have left out 1 very important thing the hulk offers the covetor cant.
It can solo tank any .0 spawn forever without worry.
means if you dont have a second account and nobody is around you can still mine.
Means if you do have a second account you can use it to haul while your mining.
Means if someone or couple others come to mine with you they can be using covetors or whatever to mine without worrying about tanking.
Anyway just a note.
OH and one other thing.
IF you saw 20 hulks on the market tommarrow for 100mil each AND had the isk. Would you leave them on the market? Or would you scarf them up knowing for a fact that you could sell them in the next week for 550mil.
Just currious. Personally I aint stupid and would scarf them up.
I think the price of trit is overpriced atm. so why dont all you put ur trit on the market at 1.5 like it used to be ur makin 2x the profit I did when I mined alot it gouging I say.
One last note.
A good portion of t2 bpo owners didnt win their bpo's they bought them. They paid a price that typically takes near 2 years for the bpo to pay for itself. To just take the bpo's away from them aint all that fair. No more than if ccp decided that nobody should have more than 1 ship and just took everyones.
Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free |
Allen Deckard
Gallente
WTB Supplies
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:39:00 -
[48]
duno personally I believe you have left out 1 very important thing the hulk offers the covetor cant.
It can solo tank any .0 spawn forever without worry.
means if you dont have a second account and nobody is around you can still mine.
Means if you do have a second account you can use it to haul while your mining.
Means if someone or couple others come to mine with you they can be using covetors or whatever to mine without worrying about tanking.
Anyway just a note.
OH and one other thing.
IF you saw 20 hulks on the market tommarrow for 100mil each AND had the isk. Would you leave them on the market? Or would you scarf them up knowing for a fact that you could sell them in the next week for 550mil.
Just currious. Personally I aint stupid and would scarf them up.
I think the price of trit is overpriced atm. so why dont all you put ur trit on the market at 1.5 like it used to be ur makin 2x the profit I did when I mined alot it gouging I say.
One last note.
A good portion of t2 bpo owners didnt win their bpo's they bought them. They paid a price that typically takes near 2 years for the bpo to pay for itself. To just take the bpo's away from them aint all that fair. No more than if ccp decided that nobody should have more than 1 ship and just took everyones.
Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free |
Allen Deckard
Gallente
WTB Supplies
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:39:00 -
[49]
duno personally I believe you have left out 1 very important thing the hulk offers the covetor cant.
It can solo tank any .0 spawn forever without worry.
means if you dont have a second account and nobody is around you can still mine.
Means if you do have a second account you can use it to haul while your mining.
Means if someone or couple others come to mine with you they can be using covetors or whatever to mine without worrying about tanking.
Anyway just a note.
OH and one other thing.
IF you saw 20 hulks on the market tommarrow for 100mil each AND had the isk. Would you leave them on the market? Or would you scarf them up knowing for a fact that you could sell them in the next week for 550mil.
Just currious. Personally I aint stupid and would scarf them up.
I think the price of trit is overpriced atm. so why dont all you put ur trit on the market at 1.5 like it used to be ur makin 2x the profit I did when I mined alot it gouging I say.
One last note.
A good portion of t2 bpo owners didnt win their bpo's they bought them. They paid a price that typically takes near 2 years for the bpo to pay for itself. To just take the bpo's away from them aint all that fair. No more than if ccp decided that nobody should have more than 1 ship and just took everyones.
Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free |
Caligulus
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:45:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Cloora
If I were a Hulk BPO owner I would sell Hulk's for 200 million on purpose.
Because very few people are willing or able to pay 600 million ISK for an Exhumer.
You would make WAAAY more ISK in volume to more people buying them at 200 mil then 600 mil.
The BPO owners do not know how to run a business.
So in response, Cloora should be given a copy of all T2 BPO's as she would use it to better the community of EVE.
Volume is indeed the punch line. You can't produce any more than 1/22 hours. End of story. Your volume is a flat rate. Therefor you can't sell it at 200mill and make up the difference in volume. ...and why the frack would you when people will buy the same ship at 500+ mill??
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Caligulus
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:45:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Cloora
If I were a Hulk BPO owner I would sell Hulk's for 200 million on purpose.
Because very few people are willing or able to pay 600 million ISK for an Exhumer.
You would make WAAAY more ISK in volume to more people buying them at 200 mil then 600 mil.
The BPO owners do not know how to run a business.
So in response, Cloora should be given a copy of all T2 BPO's as she would use it to better the community of EVE.
Volume is indeed the punch line. You can't produce any more than 1/22 hours. End of story. Your volume is a flat rate. Therefor you can't sell it at 200mill and make up the difference in volume. ...and why the frack would you when people will buy the same ship at 500+ mill??
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Sergio Ling
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 14:11:00 -
[52]
Originally by: XGP Darkside
To be perfectly honest i think i could run customer relations for CCP better than they do currently and im a 17 year old school drop-out.
In which case I recommend you set up your own company and amaze us with your well-rounded business ideas. OR of course, GTFO
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Your sig is pwn - Eris
*snip* This is a english speeking forum, for moderation perposes - hutch |
Kolwrath
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:52:00 -
[53]
Back on topic:
So I take it you can't invent hulks at the moment? anyone care to explain why not? (I dont know much about invention at all but I thought that all t2 was inventable)
from reading the thread, my guess is the reason hulks are so expensive is the high demand and slow slow manf time. Coulden't CCP just halve the manf time or something? (thus doubling the amount available in game in one fell swoop?)
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:12:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Allen Deckard
duno personally I believe you have left out 1 very important thing the hulk offers the covetor cant.
It can solo tank any .0 spawn forever without worry.
try sanhsa/blood raider and then come back and tell us how you tanked tripple 1.8mil spawns :P.
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Nymos
Fimbulvintr
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:19:00 -
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if rich ppl buy them... and the hulk is every new miner's wet dream so they sell at such a price.
are they that much better than a covetor? i mean really worth 600m more? so if you have a tank in that belt the covetor can mine just fine. at a fraction of the costs.
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.23 23:09:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Montaire
You dont seem to understand.
I make about 1 hulk per day, and it sells within 1 hour at 500m. At 600m it sells within a day.
You CANT make up for it with volume. Since there is a game-enforced limit to the number that can be produced (About 28 per day right now).
Its impossible to produce more of them. Your claim that BPO owners know nothing about running a business is countered by you knowing nothing about how T2 works in EVE.
Originally by: Cloora
If I were a Hulk BPO owner I would sell Hulk's for 200 million on purpose.
Because very few people are willing or able to pay 600 million ISK for an Exhumer.
You would make WAAAY more ISK in volume to more people buying them at 200 mil then 600 mil.
The BPO owners do not know how to run a business.
So in response, Cloora should be given a copy of all T2 BPO's as she would use it to better the community of EVE.
I'm sorry I thought the smiley would show I was joking. Looks like I have to put the j/k there instead. 
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I don't want to be forced to Jet Can mine or buy a hauler alt to mine effectivly. BIGGER CARGO HOLDS IN BARGES NOW! |
Ky Vatta
Caldari
Empire Mining and Industrial Taskforce
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:35:00 -
[57]
Originally by: kember
Originally by: Auron Shadowbane
have enough capacitor to fire 3 strip IIs at once (a covetor has to cycle those which was going on my nerves realy fast)
Eh? I must have some weird uber skills, as my covey keeps all 3 blazing away with no problems.
Using tech 2 crystals, I don`t have problems running 3 Strip-miner IIs either...methinks he has less skills trained up... (capacitor skills, lol)
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Ce Domina
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:46:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Ce Domina on 24/02/2007 00:42:56
The reason people sell Hulks for 600 mil is because they'll sell at that price. It's just the market at work.
CCP said they're going to revamp T2 production, so you may as well just wait and see what happens, starting 'Complaining about T2 BPOs Thread #109583' isn't going to make it happen any faster, and its not going to lower the price of Hulks. |
Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:48:00 -
[59]
It's called supply and demand, folks. If nobody was willing to pay the market price for the ship, then the price would drop. The CovOps cloak suffers from the same thing- incredibly high demand, and so the prices they are sold at have skyrocketed.
Learn how to use things like this to your advantage to make money. Do market control in a smaller market with plenty of T2 items to sell- buy at a good price, sell for a few M higher, turn a profit.
If people were less willing to blow 600m on a mining barge, then the prices would be lower...
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Frieswithyourmilkshake
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:59:00 -
[60]
Meh you brought this all on yourselves. You all whined about a broken t2 system. CPP responded and introduced invention. Now you continue to whine and ask CCP to remove all T2 bpos.
Whats my reponse as a T2 bpo owner?
I'm going to use these last weeks to grief as much ******* isk as i possibly can from you ***** whiny bears 
I'm gonna be laughing my **** off when the T2 market self destructs, and hulk/hac prices are higher in 6 months time than they are now.
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