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Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.02.24 01:10:00 - [61] I agree with Ce Domina. In EVE, prices are extremely arbitrary, a kind of shared hallucination. As long as there are enough people who accept that a Hulk is worth 500,000,000 isk, prices will inflate to match the limits of their expectations. There are plenty of people who will venture their capital to cause this hallucination to persist, and at the moment the risk to them is tiny because the production of these ships is so limited and there is a market of determined buyers. There is nothing surprising about what has happened. ------ Top speed calculation spreadsheet - feedback welcome :)
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.24 01:27:00 - [62] Frieswithyourmilkshake - Post with your main....troll. Hulks cannot be invented, hence the BPO Owners have seen their wildest dreams come true, and you are all paying for it. CCP need to fix this as Elite barges are one of the very few (if not the only) T2 ships that cannot be invented, can we only assume a CCP/Alliance handholding conspiracy on this? Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2007.02.24 01:46:00 - [63] Prices will be insane if there are no T2 BPOs and only BPCs. There won't be any more ME/PE research, and so forth. It would be fairly tragic. I guess I'm gonna buy all my T2 gear now while I can get it for cheap... ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2007.02.24 01:46:00 - [64] Prices will be insane if there are no T2 BPOs and only BPCs. There won't be any more ME/PE research, and so forth. It would be fairly tragic. I guess I'm gonna buy all my T2 gear now while I can get it for cheap... ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
Xaildaine	Posted - 2007.02.24 03:50:00 - [65] Edited by: Xaildaine on 24/02/2007 03:49:59 Originally by: Frieswithyourmilkshake Meh you brought this all on yourselves. You all whined about a broken t2 system. CPP responded and introduced invention. Now you continue to whine and ask CCP to remove all T2 bpos. If invention was working then there would be no need for T2 bpos and the massive profit hording potential that some of them have. Plus the idea to remove the existing BPOs is in responce to CCP wanting to kill the lotto thus removing the chance of any new bpos coming into the picture. With no new BPOs comming in .. how long do you think it would be till all T2 bpo were in the hands of the Massive Alliance leaders... not long Originally by: Frieswithyourmilkshake Whats my reponse as a T2 bpo owner? I'm going to use these last weeks to grief as much ***** isk as i possibly can from you * whiny bears This is somthing new? I figured most high income bpo owners were already bending us "Bears" over a barrel. And hang on one seccond... If your a Hulk BPO owner ... isnt siting in Jita squirting out Hulks 24/7 basicly being a station jocky? Whats more "bearish" than that... all reward no risk... Originally by:** Frieswithyourmilkshake I'm gonna be laughing my **** off when the T2 market self destructs, and hulk/hac prices are higher in 6 months time than they are now. Cant see it.. lets say 20 ppl can build Hulks atm .. they have set their price.. thats is as far as a the "Market forces" they experiance. thus we have 600 mill Hulks now if 200 ppl could build Hulks .. as with invention ... then Suply and demand comes into the picture. Guess how many Hulks your gona sell for 600 mill if the other 199 are will sell for 500 mill. I guess you all missed what happend with the CPR II market after invention (pre CCP panic nerf) started working.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.24 04:45:00 - [66] Originally by: Montaire You dont seem to understand. I make about 1 hulk per day, and it sells within 1 hour at 500m. At 600m it sells within a day. You CANT make up for it with volume. Since there is a game-enforced limit to the number that can be produced (About 28 per day right now). Its impossible to produce more of them. Your claim that BPO owners know nothing about running a business is countered by you knowing nothing about how T2 works in EVE. There is a way. How many people are using T2 ship assembly arrays to build them with? If all the Hulk BPOs are made out of assembly arrays, that's 33% more(roughly another 9) that can be made & sold per day. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Revolution Rising Minmatar Paxton Industries	Posted - 2007.02.24 05:03:00 - [67] Ishtar = same problem. RR. -- Paxton Industries. "I'm mostly a miner, but in your case I'll make an exception."
Father Weebles North Face Force Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.24 05:20:00 - [68] Originally by: Frieswithyourmilkshake Meh you brought this all on yourselves. You all whined about a broken t2 system. CPP responded and introduced invention. Now you continue to whine and ask CCP to remove all T2 bpos. People continue to whine because ccp **** up invention and **** up t2 idiot. "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Xaildaine	Posted - 2007.02.24 10:43:00 - [69] Originally by: XGP Darkside i know a hulk BPO owner myself and i know that he has personal goals.. such as obtaining 100billion isk by summer. 100 BILLION ... in empire.. on an alt with probly less then 3 months training... Never having to leave a station... Broken beyond broken Originally by: XGP Darkside Hulk prices rise for owners personal benifit. Hulk prices rise too high and people stop buying them. Seller relises this is an issue. Seller reduces prices and stock sells like hot-cakes. No The price goes up past what the bulk of miners are willing to spend and stays there. Id say any Hulk BPO owner can and will weather any storm with the amount of isk he has already built up already. So he sells a few less ships for a few weeks till some other Uber rich Plex farmer comes and buys the lot. Nearing 100 billion isk the market nolonger applys to ppl like this. They have no idea what an isk is realy worth... out of touch.. much like the plex farmer To much wealth in one place Originally by: XGP Darkside but this doesnt happen in eve.. as we can see with the price of the Cerberus class heavy assault ship, this ship is currently sold for anything between 200mil and 250mil.. this ship is most certainly one of the most wanted in eve but because the BPOs are so few and the owners become greedy they just arnt worth the isk. Yes this is true.. but the profits are so large and the stockpiles of it already so massive that any dip in sales will go un-noticed so no price drop. The only answer to T2 production is Invention or seeding the BPOs on the market. I would rather have invention. Put the Power of T2 in the hands of the moon miners .. not fat station jockys who wana make 100 billion with out ever leaveing Jita
Lara Hellfire	Posted - 2007.02.24 11:40:00 - [70] I laugh every time i see a thread like this. Laugh. Out loid and till I puke. Why? What is the point? You want to have some control of Hulk BPO'and guilt the owners or CCP into saying "Wow what have we been doing? How stupid are we, lets make the Hulk and the Cerberus worth 40 million so everyone can have one and be happy". Is that the aim, it seems to sound like it from some of the posts I have read in here. If I had a T2 BPO, particularly a Hulk BPO, I would go on a bender that would make my liver eject through my stomach. I would make as much profit as I could, for as long as I could. Why? Because I COULD T2 BPO owners have been fortunate enough to gain THE most sought after items in the game through a flawed system. Good on em, I wasn;t lucky enough, and I will battle on with missions and mining and PvP until I reach the endstate of the game. But to those lads and lasses who have had the luck and good fortune to get a sought after T2 BPO. Go Nuts and make what you can, cos I would. To those that dont have one, the ONLY option you have to try and make a difference, is to NOT buy any T2 ships or components. Vote with your wallet and dont buy anything. You can solo Lvl 4 missions in a T1 BS, and you can PVP in the same. If it bothers you so much, personally veto it. Me? I will continue to buy T2 stuff cos it rocks. It's a game, and If I have to spend 100 game hours doing whatever to own a Hulk (because I really want one) then thats what I will do. Let me caveat that by saying that neither myself or any of my altsm corps or closest friends in game own a T2 BPO, or BPC. Yes it is a license to print ISK. Good luck to the lucky bastards that have them. Peace

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