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Denrace Amarr JEM Industries	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:12:00 - [31] Damn, sounds like I'm missing out on some class action in the South. Hope everyone on all sides has a great time! Den ________________________________________ Forum Signatures for just 10Million ISK Just EVEMail me a request ☺
Sigos ORIGIN SYSTEMS Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:19:00 - [32] Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: Sigos Originally by: VBboy grats you win due to game machanics snip* Do not try and derail this thread - thanks - hutch interesting to see someone out of my former corp where i was a founder of being misslead that much. LV were not involved in any DEVploit related stuff as well as 95% of BoB didn't know about it. But propaganda machinery works well within the "coalition" I see. I was not implying that LV were in involved in this; I was simply making the point that most battles are won by game mechanics.
Khayman33 Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:19:00 - [33] Edited by: Khayman33 on 22/02/2007 16:15:46 Originally by: c0rn1 stuff I understand your point of view , but exept the node crash ( and this thing happen all time one years ago against LV ,V , KOS , CHIMP , ... ) they have the oppurtunity to defend theirs systems and they didn't do it. For the node crash , LV+allies and RAGOON's coalition can't do anything during something like 3hours maybe more ( i was there and see 5 node crash before i need to sleep ) , and if LV haven't a fleet to protect theirs pos it s because they don't have much players in this time zone , it's my point . Lot of things happen recently can make lot of players to loose their will to play . Take too much ennemies in your face is one of this , and i know what is it :)
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:30:00 - [34] Originally by: VBboy Thank ccp not us, they gave you JV1 and 77s..grats you win due to game machanics, bet your proud of that fight! VB Petition logs from your leaders say otherwise. - WeComeInPeace Video
Tassi Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:32:00 - [35] According to LV, LV is unbeatable.
Garek COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:37:00 - [36] Originally by: Tassi According to LV, LV is unbeatable. Wait and see... :)
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:46:00 - [37] I'd like to dedicate the fall of JV1V to my friend Just Smith, who thought it'd be a fun idea to invite his buddies in LV to 'gank helpless t1 n00bs' in S-U. We nurse our grudges in the Swarm. Those in LV who use this opportunity to evacuate to empire or otherwise get out of the great war will be ignored and forgotten. Those who become BoB slaves will be remembered and punished. This is your only warning.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Khayman33 Edited by: Khayman33 on 22/02/2007 16:15:46 Originally by: c0rn1 stuff I understand your point of view , but exept the node crash ( and this thing happen all time one years ago against LV ,V , KOS , CHIMP , ... ) they have the oppurtunity to defend theirs systems and they didn't do it. For the node crash , LV+allies and RAGOON's coalition can't do anything during something like 3hours maybe more ( i was there and see 5 node crash before i need to sleep ) , and if LV haven't a fleet to protect theirs pos it s because they don't have much players in this time zone , it's my point . Lot of things happen recently can make lot of players to loose their will to play . Take too much ennemies in your face is one of this , and i know what is it :) Eve is a game where with the number of enemies the fun increases proportional. The problem just is that you actually have to have the pavement for being able to fight them. If it just ends in node crashes and node crashes and you waste 1h,2h,4h,8h in front of your login screen and not are able to FIGHT and then in the end you lose it without a fight, it demoralizes. The company (yes, i know CCP is doing whatever they can to fix it) which runs the game should then either consider a frozen gamestate until the problems are fixed or make a temporare solution with limiting numbers in a system, seperate a system on different servers or lock a system down as soon as a fight appears or whatever Einstein-like solution there is available. This inability under the cover of "we don't want to interfere in ingame actions" made us accepting a node-crash as actual strategy? I mean, C'mon, I didn't read that in the features tab when I once joined the eve-o game. This helpless state where you fall into at such point is what demoralizes you the most. Not any opposing force. Regards x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:55:00 - [39] Edited by: NightmareX on 22/02/2007 17:06:17 Yaaaarrrr, now i can finally dock in JV1V again, it will be sweet to see the station again where i was living in before i left LV looooong time ago Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Flying DogbearRatcat Cornerstone Unlimited The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:57:00 - [40] how come these systems are so critical, they have other stations to operate from dont they in other systems?

Jake Noble Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:59:00 - [41] JV1 was a there main manufacturing area I believe.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:00:00 - [42] Originally by: Flying DogbearRatcat how come these systems are so critical, they have other stations to operate from dont they in other systems? The impostance of capital systems has a big impact on wars. The thinking is: if we can't defend Rome, what hope does Gaul have? Thus the outlying systems tend to be overun quickly with minimal resistance.
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:04:00 - [43] Originally by: Flying DogbearRatcat how come these systems are so critical, they have other stations to operate from dont they in other systems? JV had LV's capital shipyards.
Kaylana Syi The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:07:00 - [44] LV told people to suck it up when node crashes happened in their favor. Nice to see bullies cry when it happens to them. We all live with the same game mechanics. Team Minmatar
Etho Demerzel Gallente Mercenaries of Andosia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:09:00 - [45] Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: Sigos Originally by: VBboy grats you win due to game machanics snip* Do not try and derail this thread - thanks - hutch interesting to see someone out of my former corp where i was a founder of being misslead that much. LV were not involved in any DEVploit related stuff as well as 95% of BoB didn't know about it. But propaganda machinery works well within the "coalition" I see. You can't possibly have any degree of certainty about what you stated there. Nobody can, and as we are "forbidden" of even talking about it here, no one will never know. In the end it doesn't matter though. Whatever happened, happened. But your whining is ridiculous. LV only cares about LV, BoB only cares about BoB and you from S.E.R.A. only care about S.E.R.A, even when you where in -V- with us. That is what is making you fall, elitism, and excess of self interest, not node crashes, lag or whatever. I agree that these problems make gameplay unpleasant and should be dealt with, but you would be certainly falling a lot quicker if they didn't exist. Lag and node crashing favors the denfense the most. RA is a good example of this. When they were corned they were saved by the lag, because only the POSes defences could act properly.
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:11:00 - [46] GJ on the new digs coalition! o/ Sigos! Side note: WTB t h e k e y Wherever you go... There you are...
Evelyn Lavi Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:15:00 - [47] Yep yep. If you win, it's "tactics." If you lose, its "lag" or "crashes." Way to show your sportsmanship, LV.
VBboy The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:23:00 - [48] Edited by: VBboy on 22/02/2007 17:19:51 Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Yep yep. If you win, it's "tactics." If you lose, its "lag" or "crashes." Way to show your sportsmanship, LV. lol...i love wars, been in alot of them, just like them to be fair, giving everyone a fair go is imperative. I don't want to win a fight to lag whats the point when you lock someone and shoot but they cannot shoot back or even move. If the coalition actually won due to fair means i would be happy to say we got owned, but that was not the case. Grats on taking the stations, it must have been hard fighting through our fleets to get to us. Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time reading your posts here. VB
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:29:00 - [49] Originally by: Kaylana Syi LV told people to suck it up when node crashes happened in their favor. Nice to see bullies cry when it happens to them. We all live with the same game mechanics. I think the irony is lost on them. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer Proud member of the Customer Service Coalition.
Atreus Minmatarius Fatalix Inc. Schism.	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:33:00 - [50] Originally by: VBboy Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time ... same way teh titan pilot lost it's Toyota Corola... too bad, at least now you know how it feels situations like that would hopefully help in placing blame where it belongs and rediculous statements like "oh well those are game mechanincs LIVE with them" would turn into "FIX THE DAMN GAME"

Doomed Predator The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:37:00 - [51] Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:42:00 - [52] NOL next please. ---- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:42:00 - [53] Originally by: VBboy ...i love wars, been in alot of them, just like them to be fair, giving everyone a fair go is imperative. I don't want to win a fight to lag whats the point when you lock someone and shoot but they cannot shoot back or even move. Lag works both ways I think. But in the whole years while RA was pushing you back, throwing out -V- and countless other battles leading now to JV1 being lost it was always and always lag, node crashes and GM's giving RA unfair advantage? Only the bad circumstances are to blame that the capital is lost now? What I would really like to see is a quick draft of the most important events in this long year which lead to the fall of LV's capital. A video with a map at the beginning and how the territory was divided between the powers. Then short sequences of main battles with some explanation why that was an important battle, the changed situation afterwards etc. I think that would be a great thing. Something similar to "Chronicals of War - The Last G Campaign". Ah, and look LV. The better your enemy, the less bad looks a defeat against him. Loosing against a very good opponent is not a shame, but loosing against a weak and silly opponent is. I think RA is very good, wouldn't you agree?
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:44:00 - [54] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Flying DogbearRatcat how come these systems are so critical, they have other stations to operate from dont they in other systems? The impostance of capital systems has a big impact on wars. The thinking is: if we can't defend Rome, what hope does Gaul have? Thus the outlying systems tend to be overun quickly with minimal resistance. I am not too sure about this. Bloody c-j was one ^$^ú&ú&&%& of an outlying system... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.*
Pika Chu Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.22 18:02:00 - [55] Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: VBboy Thank ccp not us, they gave you JV1 and 77s..grats you win due to game machanics, bet your proud of that fight! VB Petition logs from your leaders say otherwise. So you can see thier petition logs? Or you know someone who can and you used that someone to see them? Or did they publicly state the petition logs (not on these forums, per the forum rules)? So how again do you know what thier petitions state?
Tassi Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.22 18:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Doomed Predator Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne. Your leaders still pretended on these very forums that you are NOT going to lose anything. In fact they said they will crush the enemies. Are you accepting that your leaders lied?
Serret Nevets Puppets on Steroids Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 18:07:00 - [57] Sweeeeet... nice job Goons! Choochoo! Spanking or being spanked... it's up to you.
Shiwan Khan Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 18:10:00 - [58] Originally by: c0rn1 Would you play it if these changes would strengthen your opponent(s) only? I have been fighting bob or some of it's member corps for pretty much as long as i have been ingame and im still playing.... ____________________________________________ AEKDB
Destrukter Caldari Magnetar Ltd Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.02.22 18:11:00 - [59] Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: Khayman33 Edited by: Khayman33 on 22/02/2007 16:15:46 Originally by: c0rn1 stuff I understand your point of view , but exept the node crash ( and this thing happen all time one years ago against LV ,V , KOS , CHIMP , ... ) they have the oppurtunity to defend theirs systems and they didn't do it. For the node crash , LV+allies and RAGOON's coalition can't do anything during something like 3hours maybe more ( i was there and see 5 node crash before i need to sleep ) , and if LV haven't a fleet to protect theirs pos it s because they don't have much players in this time zone , it's my point . Lot of things happen recently can make lot of players to loose their will to play . Take too much ennemies in your face is one of this , and i know what is it :) Eve is a game where with the number of enemies the fun increases proportional. The problem just is that you actually have to have the pavement for being able to fight them. If it just ends in node crashes and node crashes and you waste 1h,2h,4h,8h in front of your login screen and not are able to FIGHT and then in the end you lose it without a fight, it demoralizes. The company (yes, i know CCP is doing whatever they can to fix it) which runs the game should then either consider a frozen gamestate until the problems are fixed or make a temporare solution with limiting numbers in a system, seperate a system on different servers or lock a system down as soon as a fight appears or whatever Einstein-like solution there is available. This inability under the cover of "we don't want to interfere in ingame actions" made us accepting a node-crash as actual strategy? I mean, C'mon, I didn't read that in the features tab when I once joined the eve-o game. This helpless state where you fall into at such point is what demoralizes you the most. Not any opposing force. Regards I absolutely agree that everyone wanted a fight and that the server lagged out and you lost. I hear alot of LV complaining that The Coalition intentionally casued the node crash to due this. I have some quick questions and points of view that I would like to make and ask both sides to rebutt. 1. LV had an intensive gate camp with 20 large bubbles and a complete fleet of 400 on the gate waiting to roast anyone who jumped in. 2. The Coalition knowing what they faced in JV1V amassed a Fleet of 1000+ Pilots to break that camp. 3. LV are complaining that The Coalition intentionaly crashed the node to avoid the fight as they would have died. Will everyone agree these are the facts? Now on to my points of view. 1. LV assembled such a massive camp that any pilots jumping in in any numbers but overwhelming numbers where going to crash the node. 2. I have heard it stated that a smaller fleet did try and jump in and you roasted them so at what point did you think they WOULDN'T jump in an overwhelming force to break your camp? 3. The whole situation seems to be each side escalating to insure they would have the upper hand. Regardless of the outcome you made it a REQUIREMENT that they had to jump in a large enough fleet to fight which caused the crash. Now I am not saying right or wrong here its just that in order to defeat your camp they had to do what they did which was try and get enough firepower on that gate to slug it out with you so they could travel the 100-200km away from the gate to assemble. At what point did you think the node would hold even if they brought even numbers. Sorry I am just tired of all the crying of foul on the LV's part for this specific case (I will agree with you on the 77S case as far as the facts I have seen). Just my thoughts and I would really like to hear a non flaming response (from both sides) although I may be asking to much in CAOD.
Steve Nash	Posted - 2007.02.22 18:26:00 - [60] Edited by: Steve Nash on 22/02/2007 18:24:29 snip Posting with an unidentified character and / or characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Elmo Pug ([email protected]) Accidental alt post, below poster is me.



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