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merc999
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:49:00 -
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just been told that over 100 Goons are now docked in the old LV station in JV1
Good job to all involved
*snip* This signiture is not appropriate for eve-o fourms, please email [email protected] with a link to the signiture to find out why - thanks hutch |
c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:53:00 -
[2]
GJ crashing the node over and over again!
Grats to CCP as well! Excellent work (at least once in the past year!)
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Life's a waste of time ... |
Flying DogbearRatcat
Cornerstone Unlimited
The Foundation.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:55:00 -
[3]
Good work coalition!
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:55:00 -
[4]
Woot :)
(Sorry rand :D)
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Yakia TovilToba
Caldari
CaIdari Navy
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:55:00 -
[5]
Congratulations ! But err didn't this happen a few days ago already ?
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Omeega
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:55:00 -
[6]
ouch.
wts impass.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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RichThugster
Gallente
0riginal Pirate Material
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:57:00 -
[7]
 Originally by: c0rn1
GJ crashing the node over and over again!
Grats to CCP as well! Excellent work (at least once in the past year!)
ive got cheese for your whine
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merc999
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:58:00 -
[8]
Edited by: merc999 on 22/02/2007 14:56:18
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Congratulations ! But err didn't this happen a few days ago already ?
No.. I think you are getting confused with the 77SE station.
BTW this report has yet to be confirmed officially. 
the messsage I got was that Goons were docking there, but dont rely on me, I am sure someone on a higher pay grade will make a announcement soon
*snip* This signiture is not appropriate for eve-o fourms, please email [email protected] with a link to the signiture to find out why - thanks hutch |
Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:59:00 -
[9]
------------ WHINE LINE BEGINS HERE -------------
Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Proud member of the Customer Service Coalition. |
Hyllekjeks
The SMITE Brotherhood
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:00:00 -
[10]
yay more places to dock. Me likes.
If any lv wanna sell a cheap moros up there contact me :P
I mean there is a fun in beeing hated, it puts a fire in your ass and it gets ******* boring to be loved by everyone |
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Raoul Endymion
Gallente
x13
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:02:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Omeega
wts impass.
how much ?
x13 Website ~ x13 Killboard ~ x13 Recruitment |
Montero
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:03:00 -
[12]
bam, *snip* - not a appropriate term for eve-o forums - hutch out of nowhere.
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Scrapheap Challenge
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:04:00 -
[13]
This is true.
[ 2007.02.22 14:27:45 ] (notify) The station JV1V GANYMEDE has been captured by GoonFleet corporation!
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Jake Noble
Amarr
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:05:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Jake Noble on 22/02/2007 15:02:42
sad to say... gg
The JV1V 2LV 3BOB Response Time Testing lets gank syndicate Abortion Clinic Grand Central Station
edit: may I suggest a shorter funnier name?
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:07:00 -
[15]
Congrats. . . Never thought I'd see the day.
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=473471 |
Silistria
Black Omega Security
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:10:00 -
[16]
Edited by: Silistria on 22/02/2007 15:07:18
Quote:
The JV1V 2LV 3BOB Response Time Testing lets gank syndicate Abortion Clinic Grand Central Station
It reads like poetry.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:10:00 -
[17]
I think things will get much more interesting now lets see if this coalition has what it takes. I will remain a neutral observer (not that any one care)
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Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:29:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Fedaykinn on 22/02/2007 15:27:27
Good to hear all the fighting killing and dying i have done in jv1v has finally paid off. The train continues onwards...
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Vando
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:34:00 -
[19]
*snip* That was inappropriate. -Elmo Pug ([email protected])
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:39:00 -
[20]
With the number of LV carriers that are seen jumping out to empire, we'll be done here very soon.
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Myrddin Emiris
Prizm Ventures Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:41:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Kyguard
With the number of LV carriers that are seen jumping out to empire, we'll be done here very soon.
Choo Choo! The mantrain, steam rolling through a region near you, SOON!
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Jake Noble
Amarr
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:45:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Myrddin Emiris
Originally by: Kyguard
With the number of LV carriers that are seen jumping out to empire, we'll be done here very soon.
Choo Choo! The mantrain, steam rolling through a region near you, SOON!
I am sure that comment made you feel REALLY involved in the whole conflict... Good job!
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VBboy
The Phoenix Rising
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:46:00 -
[23]
Thank ccp not us, they gave you JV1 and 77s..grats you win due to game machanics, bet your proud of that fight!
VB
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Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:51:00 -
[24]
now now dont be bitter. Sure your being decimated but theres no need to flame the coalitoon for doing a good job.
The Train continues onwards...
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Sigos
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:51:00 -
[25]
Edited by: Sigos on 22/02/2007 16:12:59
Originally by: VBboy
grats you win due to game machanics
As opposed to what exactly? Aren't most wins due to the game mechanics of fitting and activating modules, shooting charges out of guns, and using POS? It is nice to see you not trying to blame this on out-of-game methods which should not be discussed here.
Apologies, hutch, I didn't mean to derail the thread, just couldn't think of anything else that fit...
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:55:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Sigos
Originally by: VBboy
grats you win due to game machanics
snip* Do not try and derail this thread - thanks - hutch
interesting to see someone out of my former corp where i was a founder of being misslead that much. LV were not involved in any DEVploit related stuff as well as 95% of BoB didn't know about it.
But propaganda machinery works well within the "coalition" I see.
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
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Khayman33
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:56:00 -
[27]
Edited by: Khayman33 on 22/02/2007 15:54:49
Originally by: VBboy
Thank ccp not us, they gave you JV1 and 77s..grats you win due to game machanics, bet your proud of that fight!
VB
ok , there is some node crash few day ago in JV1 , for 77s don t know what s happen it s strange ...
But in last 3 day , we encounter 0 resistance ( exept few DD blast ... ) in both JV1 and other systems , so stop to whine like this and take all your capital ships and BS and go fight !
To C0rn1, i see you always like to speak when you know aproximatively nothing of the current situation , gratz for you baby :)
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:58:00 -
[28]
Please do not derail this thread with comments about dev misconduct, its doesnt belong here, and it only damages what could be a good thread. Any posting about it will be removed and the poster warned.
My only warning on this.
- Thanks Hutch.
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:02:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Khayman33
Originally by: VBboy
Thank ccp not us, they gave you JV1 and 77s..grats you win due to game machanics, bet your proud of that fight!
VB
ok , there is some node crash few day ago in JV1 , for 77s don t know what s happen it s strange ...
But in last 3 day , we encounter 0 resistance ( exept few DD blast ... ) in both JV1 and other systems , so stop to whine like this and take all your capital ships and BS and go fight !
Problem is that people need a reason to fight. in this case holding a station. But if this is actually screwed up and you lose a station you were meant to defend because of incapabilities of the corp running the game, why should you work vs the opponents who had the "luck" to be on the positively receiving end of the screw up?
There's no such things as playing a game with certain rules and while you play it the referee changes rules at goodwill. Would you play it if these changes would strengthen your opponent(s) only?
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Please do not derail this thread with comments about dev misconduct, its doesnt belong here, and it only damages what could be a good thread. Any posting about it will be removed and the poster warned.
My only warning on this.
That should include those that argue both sides of the issue should it not? Been a bit one sided so far.
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Denrace
Amarr
JEM Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:12:00 -
[31]
Damn, sounds like I'm missing out on some class action in the South. Hope everyone on all sides has a great time!
Den
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Sigos
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:19:00 -
[32]
Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: Sigos
Originally by: VBboy
grats you win due to game machanics
snip* Do not try and derail this thread - thanks - hutch
interesting to see someone out of my former corp where i was a founder of being misslead that much. LV were not involved in any DEVploit related stuff as well as 95% of BoB didn't know about it.
But propaganda machinery works well within the "coalition" I see.
I was not implying that LV were in involved in this; I was simply making the point that most battles are won by game mechanics.
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Khayman33
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Khayman33 on 22/02/2007 16:15:46
Originally by: c0rn1
stuff
I understand your point of view , but exept the node crash ( and this thing happen all time one years ago against LV ,V , KOS , CHIMP , ... ) they have the oppurtunity to defend theirs systems and they didn't do it.
For the node crash , LV+allies and RAGOON's coalition can't do anything during something like 3hours maybe more ( i was there and see 5 node crash before i need to sleep ) , and if LV haven't a fleet to protect theirs pos it s because they don't have much players in this time zone , it's my point .
Lot of things happen recently can make lot of players to loose their will to play . Take too much ennemies in your face is one of this , and i know what is it :)
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:30:00 -
[34]
Originally by: VBboy
Thank ccp not us, they gave you JV1 and 77s..grats you win due to game machanics, bet your proud of that fight!
VB
Petition logs from your leaders say otherwise.
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Tassi
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:32:00 -
[35]
According to LV, LV is unbeatable.
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Garek
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:37:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Tassi
According to LV, LV is unbeatable.
Wait and see... :)
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The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:46:00 -
[37]
I'd like to dedicate the fall of JV1V to my friend Just Smith, who thought it'd be a fun idea to invite his buddies in LV to 'gank helpless t1 n00bs' in S-U. We nurse our grudges in the Swarm.
Those in LV who use this opportunity to evacuate to empire or otherwise get out of the great war will be ignored and forgotten. Those who become BoB slaves will be remembered and punished. This is your only warning.
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:47:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Khayman33
Edited by: Khayman33 on 22/02/2007 16:15:46
Originally by: c0rn1
stuff
I understand your point of view , but exept the node crash ( and this thing happen all time one years ago against LV ,V , KOS , CHIMP , ... ) they have the oppurtunity to defend theirs systems and they didn't do it.
For the node crash , LV+allies and RAGOON's coalition can't do anything during something like 3hours maybe more ( i was there and see 5 node crash before i need to sleep ) , and if LV haven't a fleet to protect theirs pos it s because they don't have much players in this time zone , it's my point .
Lot of things happen recently can make lot of players to loose their will to play . Take too much ennemies in your face is one of this , and i know what is it :)
Eve is a game where with the number of enemies the fun increases proportional. The problem just is that you actually have to have the pavement for being able to fight them. If it just ends in node crashes and node crashes and you waste 1h,2h,4h,8h in front of your login screen and not are able to FIGHT and then in the end you lose it without a fight, it demoralizes.
The company (yes, i know CCP is doing whatever they can to fix it) which runs the game should then either consider a frozen gamestate until the problems are fixed or make a temporare solution with limiting numbers in a system, seperate a system on different servers or lock a system down as soon as a fight appears or whatever Einstein-like solution there is available.
This inability under the cover of "we don't want to interfere in ingame actions" made us accepting a node-crash as actual strategy? I mean, C'mon, I didn't read that in the features tab when I once joined the eve-o game.
This helpless state where you fall into at such point is what demoralizes you the most. Not any opposing force.
Regards
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NightmareX
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:55:00 -
[39]
Edited by: NightmareX on 22/02/2007 17:06:17
Yaaaarrrr, now i can finally dock in JV1V again, it will be sweet to see the station again where i was living in before i left LV looooong time ago
Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred |
Flying DogbearRatcat
Cornerstone Unlimited
The Foundation.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:57:00 -
[40]
how come these systems are so critical, they have other stations to operate from dont they in other systems?
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Jake Noble
Amarr
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:59:00 -
[41]
JV1 was a there main manufacturing area I believe.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:00:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Flying DogbearRatcat
how come these systems are so critical, they have other stations to operate from dont they in other systems?
The impostance of capital systems has a big impact on wars.
The thinking is: if we can't defend Rome, what hope does Gaul have? Thus the outlying systems tend to be overun quickly with minimal resistance.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:04:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Flying DogbearRatcat
how come these systems are so critical, they have other stations to operate from dont they in other systems?
JV had LV's capital shipyards.
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Kaylana Syi
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:07:00 -
[44]
LV told people to suck it up when node crashes happened in their favor. Nice to see bullies cry when it happens to them. We all live with the same game mechanics.
Team Minmatar
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Mercenaries of Andosia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:09:00 -
[45]
Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: Sigos
Originally by: VBboy
grats you win due to game machanics
snip* Do not try and derail this thread - thanks - hutch
interesting to see someone out of my former corp where i was a founder of being misslead that much. LV were not involved in any DEVploit related stuff as well as 95% of BoB didn't know about it.
But propaganda machinery works well within the "coalition" I see.
You can't possibly have any degree of certainty about what you stated there. Nobody can, and as we are "forbidden" of even talking about it here, no one will never know. In the end it doesn't matter though. Whatever happened, happened. But your whining is ridiculous.
LV only cares about LV, BoB only cares about BoB and you from S.E.R.A. only care about S.E.R.A, even when you where in -V- with us. That is what is making you fall, elitism, and excess of self interest, not node crashes, lag or whatever. I agree that these problems make gameplay unpleasant and should be dealt with, but you would be certainly falling a lot quicker if they didn't exist. Lag and node crashing favors the denfense the most. RA is a good example of this. When they were corned they were saved by the lag, because only the POSes defences could act properly.
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TroNaaR
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:11:00 -
[46]
GJ on the new digs coalition!
o/ Sigos!
Side note: WTB t h e k e y 
Wherever you go...
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Evelyn Lavi
Independent Fleet
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:15:00 -
[47]
Yep yep. If you win, it's "tactics." If you lose, its "lag" or "crashes."
Way to show your sportsmanship, LV.
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VBboy
The Phoenix Rising
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:23:00 -
[48]
Edited by: VBboy on 22/02/2007 17:19:51
Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
Yep yep. If you win, it's "tactics." If you lose, its "lag" or "crashes."
Way to show your sportsmanship, LV.
lol...i love wars, been in alot of them, just like them to be fair, giving everyone a fair go is imperative. I don't want to win a fight to lag whats the point when you lock someone and shoot but they cannot shoot back or even move.
If the coalition actually won due to fair means i would be happy to say we got owned, but that was not the case.
Grats on taking the stations, it must have been hard fighting through our fleets to get to us. Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time reading your posts here.
VB
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:29:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
LV told people to suck it up when node crashes happened in their favor. Nice to see bullies cry when it happens to them. We all live with the same game mechanics.
I think the irony is lost on them.
Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
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Atreus Minmatarius
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:33:00 -
[50]
Originally by: VBboy
Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time ...
same way teh titan pilot lost it's Toyota Corola... too bad, at least now you know how it feels
situations like that would hopefully help in placing blame where it belongs and rediculous statements like "oh well those are game mechanincs LIVE with them" would turn into "FIX THE DAMN GAME" 
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Doomed Predator
The Phoenix Rising
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:37:00 -
[51]
Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:42:00 -
[52]
NOL next please.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:42:00 -
[53]
Originally by: VBboy
...i love wars, been in alot of them, just like them to be fair, giving everyone a fair go is imperative. I don't want to win a fight to lag whats the point when you lock someone and shoot but they cannot shoot back or even move.
Lag works both ways I think.
But in the whole years while RA was pushing you back, throwing out -V- and countless other battles leading now to JV1 being lost it was always and always lag, node crashes and GM's giving RA unfair advantage? Only the bad circumstances are to blame that the capital is lost now?
What I would really like to see is a quick draft of the most important events in this long year which lead to the fall of LV's capital.
A video with a map at the beginning and how the territory was divided between the powers. Then short sequences of main battles with some explanation why that was an important battle, the changed situation afterwards etc. I think that would be a great thing. Something similar to "Chronicals of War - The Last G Campaign".
Ah, and look LV. The better your enemy, the less bad looks a defeat against him. Loosing against a very good opponent is not a shame, but loosing against a weak and silly opponent is. I think RA is very good, wouldn't you agree?
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Crellion
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:44:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Flying DogbearRatcat
how come these systems are so critical, they have other stations to operate from dont they in other systems?
The impostance of capital systems has a big impact on wars.
The thinking is: if we can't defend Rome, what hope does Gaul have? Thus the outlying systems tend to be overun quickly with minimal resistance.
I am not too sure about this. Bloody c-j was one ^*$^ś&ś&&%& of an outlying system...
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Pika Chu
Caldari
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:02:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kyguard
Originally by: VBboy
Thank ccp not us, they gave you JV1 and 77s..grats you win due to game machanics, bet your proud of that fight!
VB
Petition logs from your leaders say otherwise.
So you can see thier petition logs? Or you know someone who can and you used that someone to see them? Or did they publicly state the petition logs (not on these forums, per the forum rules)?
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Tassi
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:04:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Doomed Predator
Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
Your leaders still pretended on these very forums that you are NOT going to lose anything. In fact they said they will crush the enemies.
Are you accepting that your leaders lied?
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Serret Nevets
Puppets on Steroids
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:07:00 -
[57]
Sweeeeet... nice job Goons!
Choochoo!
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Shiwan Khan
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:10:00 -
[58]
Originally by: c0rn1
Would you play it if these changes would strengthen your opponent(s) only?
I have been fighting bob or some of it's member corps for pretty much as long as i have been ingame and im still playing....
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Destrukter
Caldari
Magnetar Ltd
Dark Synergy
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:11:00 -
[59]
Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: Khayman33
Edited by: Khayman33 on 22/02/2007 16:15:46
Originally by: c0rn1
stuff
I understand your point of view , but exept the node crash ( and this thing happen all time one years ago against LV ,V , KOS , CHIMP , ... ) they have the oppurtunity to defend theirs systems and they didn't do it.
For the node crash , LV+allies and RAGOON's coalition can't do anything during something like 3hours maybe more ( i was there and see 5 node crash before i need to sleep ) , and if LV haven't a fleet to protect theirs pos it s because they don't have much players in this time zone , it's my point .
Lot of things happen recently can make lot of players to loose their will to play . Take too much ennemies in your face is one of this , and i know what is it :)
Eve is a game where with the number of enemies the fun increases proportional. The problem just is that you actually have to have the pavement for being able to fight them. If it just ends in node crashes and node crashes and you waste 1h,2h,4h,8h in front of your login screen and not are able to FIGHT and then in the end you lose it without a fight, it demoralizes.
The company (yes, i know CCP is doing whatever they can to fix it) which runs the game should then either consider a frozen gamestate until the problems are fixed or make a temporare solution with limiting numbers in a system, seperate a system on different servers or lock a system down as soon as a fight appears or whatever Einstein-like solution there is available.
This inability under the cover of "we don't want to interfere in ingame actions" made us accepting a node-crash as actual strategy? I mean, C'mon, I didn't read that in the features tab when I once joined the eve-o game.
This helpless state where you fall into at such point is what demoralizes you the most. Not any opposing force.
Regards
I absolutely agree that everyone wanted a fight and that the server lagged out and you lost. I hear alot of LV complaining that The Coalition intentionally casued the node crash to due this. I have some quick questions and points of view that I would like to make and ask both sides to rebutt.
1. LV had an intensive gate camp with 20 large bubbles and a complete fleet of 400 on the gate waiting to roast anyone who jumped in.
2. The Coalition knowing what they faced in JV1V amassed a Fleet of 1000+ Pilots to break that camp.
3. LV are complaining that The Coalition intentionaly crashed the node to avoid the fight as they would have died.
Will everyone agree these are the facts?
Now on to my points of view.
1. LV assembled such a massive camp that any pilots jumping in in any numbers but overwhelming numbers where going to crash the node.
2. I have heard it stated that a smaller fleet did try and jump in and you roasted them so at what point did you think they WOULDN'T jump in an overwhelming force to break your camp?
3. The whole situation seems to be each side escalating to insure they would have the upper hand. Regardless of the outcome you made it a REQUIREMENT that they had to jump in a large enough fleet to fight which caused the crash.
Now I am not saying right or wrong here its just that in order to defeat your camp they had to do what they did which was try and get enough firepower on that gate to slug it out with you so they could travel the 100-200km away from the gate to assemble.
At what point did you think the node would hold even if they brought even numbers.
Sorry I am just tired of all the crying of foul on the LV's part for this specific case (I will agree with you on the 77S case as far as the facts I have seen).
Just my thoughts and I would really like to hear a non flaming response (from both sides) although I may be asking to much in CAOD.
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Edited by: Cooter Lik on 22/02/2007 18:23:26
Originally by: Steve Nash
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I dont believe this, from about one year, every big loose that LV suffers, one of them show up on forums and say, CCP did it, it was lag, **** lag that...I think it time for you to go back to empire...
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Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Doomed Predator
Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
Wow this maybe the only LV response I have seen for either of these systems in which LV isnĘt acting like poor losers and crying cheaters to goons.
Grats on the station guys. Maybe someday soon you might be able to fight someone like FIX who likes a good fight. When they loose they donĘt run around crying and when they win they donĘt through it in your face. Just enjoy a good fight.
Good hunting
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M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:54:00 -
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**** happens , we lasted a good 18 months in there lets see if you can keep it that long.
Have fun but keep watching around you , we will be back
(no evil drunk smilie so that one will do)
****e name btw , starts off good a is very witty , tails away to the usual propaganda pish which is disappointing.
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Amarr
Keepers of the Holy Bagel
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:56:00 -
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My dedication goes out to the LV Dread Pilot that would rather self destruct his Dread then have it be destroyed.. That's a class act if ever I've seen it, brings a tear to my eye... 
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tassi
Originally by: Doomed Predator
Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
Your leaders still pretended on these very forums that you are NOT going to lose anything. In fact they said they will crush the enemies.
Are you accepting that your leaders lied?
You're confusing over confidence with lieing. He posted in acceptance so give him a break perhaps?
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Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.22 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Doomed Predator
Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
As I said before this is an excellent post and it's fun to play internet spaceship games with people like this poster.
This is my main. As I said above, I was an accidental post from my alt.
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Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.22 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: VBboy
Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time ...
same way teh titan pilot lost it's Toyota Corola... too bad, at least now you know how it feels
situations like that would hopefully help in placing blame where it belongs and rediculous statements like "oh well those are game mechanincs LIVE with them" would turn into "FIX THE DAMN GAME"
Titan pilot had the option to log back in and save his ship.
LV pilots didnt.
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Caldari
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: VBboy
Thank ccp not us, they gave you JV1 and 77s..grats you win due to game machanics, bet your proud of that fight!
VB
I remember when Chimp took detorid, they used bubles spam and drones to dramaticaly increase lag at gates just after kali's patch. It was impossible to jump even with 500 players and u exploited that, we didn't cry as u do.
Your alliance has exactly what it deserves, we began this war against a large coalition 1.5 y ago and you are the last little remain.
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Gallente
Vale Heavy Industries
SMASH Alliance
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GJ :)
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Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:15:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Bodark
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: VBboy
Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time ...
same way teh titan pilot lost it's Toyota Corola... too bad, at least now you know how it feels
situations like that would hopefully help in placing blame where it belongs and rediculous statements like "oh well those are game mechanincs LIVE with them" would turn into "FIX THE DAMN GAME"
Titan pilot had the option to log back in and save his ship.
LV pilots didnt.
oh well maybe they should have tried harder titan died offline... station changes hands offline... you call it what you want i call it poetic justice/irony (whichever one you prefer)
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Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:22:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: Bodark
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: VBboy
Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time ...
same way teh titan pilot lost it's Toyota Corola... too bad, at least now you know how it feels
situations like that would hopefully help in placing blame where it belongs and rediculous statements like "oh well those are game mechanincs LIVE with them" would turn into "FIX THE DAMN GAME"
Titan pilot had the option to log back in and save his ship.
LV pilots didnt.
oh well maybe they should have tried harder titan died offline... station changes hands offline... you call it what you want i call it poetic justice/irony (whichever one you prefer)
I call it a broken game. But, who needs POSs and stations? With the current game status best thing LV is just to go out there and kill them again and again and again ......
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Atreus Minmatarius
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bodark
I call it a broken game.
see, we agree on that. that was my whole point.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:30:00 -
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BURN EDEN
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: JimBob Moving
When LV+Allies had 400 ships and bubbles on the gate there were 2 options.
1. Jump in a massive fllet and crash the node.
2. Jump in waves of 200 cruisers and crash the node repeatedly. It took a couple waves of throwaway ships but goons managed to do that several times and thanks to the node only covering that system and not the adjacent ones the rest of the coalition jumped in afterwards while the defenders were trying to log in.
Why would you jump in waves of cruisers when you had enough ships to take the defenders as you proclaim you did?
Jump queues
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Gallente
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Destrukter
Now I am not saying right or wrong here its just that in order to defeat your camp they had to do what they did which was try and get enough firepower on that gate to slug it out with you so they could travel the 100-200km away from the gate to assemble.
At what point did you think the node would hold even if they brought even numbers.
Sorry I am just tired of all the crying of foul on the LV's part for this specific case (I will agree with you on the 77S case as far as the facts I have seen).
Just my thoughts and I would really like to hear a non flaming response (from both sides) although I may be asking to much in CAOD.
This arguement, which I've seen so many times, is simply wrong headed thinking. The node crash was purposeful. Not preplanned, perhaps, but most definitely folks jumped to JV knowing full well that the node stood a rats chance in hell of staying up, and simply tossing the entire battle into a*****ed hat.
What other choice did the coalition have? How about taking the cap ships you had assembled and attacking multiple station systems while the ENTIRE effective LV fleet was trapped in JV? A completely clear opportunity missed because of poor planning and focus. LV had little choice but to defend the system as heavily as possible. The coalition did have a choice on what to do about it.
From the point of game mechanics, their leadership chose wrong, imo. But hey, maybe folks had fun staring at the login screen.
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Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris
How about taking the cap ships you had assembled and attacking multiple station systems while the ENTIRE effective LV fleet was trapped in JV?
That doesn't get titans dead, though.
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Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
My dedication goes out to the LV Dread Pilot that would rather self destruct his Dread then have it be destroyed.. That's a class act if ever I've seen it, brings a tear to my eye...
Good words.
However, again continued gl to coaliton.
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:19:00 -
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You didnt kill a titan, you aborted one, and I bet there was time left on its cook timer.
I dont think there was a compelling reason for the attack to happen then, other then 'we want to', which given the consequences to so many people on both sides, doesn't seem really justified.
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Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris
This arguement, which I've seen so many times, is simply wrong headed thinking. The node crash was purposeful. Not preplanned, perhaps, but most definitely folks jumped to JV knowing full well that the node stood a rats chance in hell of staying up, and simply tossing the entire battle into a*****ed hat.
What other choice did the coalition have? How about taking the cap ships you had assembled and attacking multiple station systems while the ENTIRE effective LV fleet was trapped in JV? A completely clear opportunity missed because of poor planning and focus. LV had little choice but to defend the system as heavily as possible. The coalition did have a choice on what to do about it.
From the point of game mechanics, their leadership chose wrong, imo. But hey, maybe folks had fun staring at the login screen.
I doubt LV would have messed up the stront timeing on that POS again. That was the coalitions best chance to destroy the titan that was building. From all acounts both sides were unable to log in for the most part but since they had so many more people attempting to get in than you did it was inevitable that they would get more pilots through the log in queues.
Also, they clearly figured correctly that LV would fold if they lost the titan and that system and the other systems would follow in short order anyway. Quit your whining and crying LV. You stunk up these forums for weeks with your chestbeating and false bravado, now they are making you eat those hollow words. Have fun mining in empire or sucking up to BoB.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris
You didnt kill a titan, you aborted one, and I bet there was time left on its cook timer.
I dont think there was a compelling reason for the attack to happen then, other then 'we want to', which given the consequences to so many people on both sides, doesn't seem really justified.
Eh? This line of reasoning is so devoid of logic it is almost impossible to follow. By this argument, the attacker is required to wait until the defender feels like not showing up to mount an attack?
Given the mechanics of POS warfare which create "scheduled" conflicts in essence, this would mean by your lights all LV has to do to prevent the POS from ever being killed is just show up in large numbers every time it comes out of reinforced, thus ensuring that anyone jumping in will crash the node, and the other side would be required to go "good show, old chap, we'll come back next week and see if you're still here".
I'd like to come up with a less inflammatory way of describing your argument, but "complete retardation" is the only term that fits.
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Gallente
Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: bulabuba on 22/02/2007 21:55:02
Edited by: bulabuba on 22/02/2007 21:48:04
It's just numbers guys. I've been in these fights against RAGOON/TCF/IAC and yes, there is nothing that you can do much of the time between node crashes and lag. I don't think anyone who has been in those fights would describe them as anything other than completely unplayable tactically.
That said, and given the current state of the servers, it's the side that can and will bring massive numbers in a sustained attack around the clock that is going to win. It's just plain old "human wave" warfare. Not pretty, but time tested and proven effective when confronting an enemy with superior technology and training if you have the bodies to throw at it and keep throwing at it.
Defending or attacking, lag and crashes do favor these kind of tactics, and, I would dare to say, make them all but unbeatable because they render the skills and technology that could be used in a zero lag environment to slaughter the "human wave" attackers or defenders en masse more or less useless.
There is nothing that LV or BoB are going to be able to do against this short of some CCP intervention that changes the mechanics of the game or the playability of large fleet battles Real Soon Now(tm). When LV and BoB fall, it will be their own doing. They put themselves out there on an island and didn't see it coming. BoB especially isolated themselves with their in-your-face arrogance. In the history of eve they will probably be known as the last two super-alliances that tried to go it alone. The age of axis level warfare has arrived, and will probably prevail until some problems with the game are addressed.
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Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:52:00 -
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congrats
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris
You didnt kill a titan, you aborted one, and I bet there was time left on its cook timer.
I dont think there was a compelling reason for the attack to happen then, other then 'we want to', which given the consequences to so many people on both sides, doesn't seem really justified.
So if you had a very good opportunity to kill a titan you would not because they have 400 people in local and your gang is 600? LetĘs call it off boys the node is going to crash.
You would rather take your 600 man fleet and put 5-10 POS into reinforce mode that really does nothing for you? Come on dude you sound retarded.
Lets see a titan is billion of isk a titan BPO is billions of isk and that kind of a loss hurts ones motivation to keep fighting. It also gave us the chance to setup a friendly POS to base our operations out of giving us a safe place.
On a side not if LV had 2 titans they would use 2 DDĘs at the same time making it very difficult for us to get anything doneą Letting them finish the 2nd titan would have been just dumb of us. The LV titan was coming out of the oven in 1 week. This was in the LV high command forums.
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Gallente
NALOH
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Posted - 2007.02.22 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cupdeez
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
You didnt kill a titan, you aborted one, and I bet there was time left on its cook timer.
I dont think there was a compelling reason for the attack to happen then, other then 'we want to', which given the consequences to so many people on both sides, doesn't seem really justified.
So if you had a very good opportunity to kill a titan you would not because they have 400 people in local and your gang is 600? LetĘs call it off boys the node is going to crash.
You would rather take your 600 man fleet and put 5-10 POS into reinforce mode that really does nothing for you? Come on dude you sound retarded.
Lets see a titan is billion of isk a titan BPO is billions of isk and that kind of a loss hurts ones motivation to keep fighting. It also gave us the chance to setup a friendly POS to base our operations out of giving us a safe place.
On a side not if LV had 2 titans they would use 2 DDĘs at the same time making it very difficult for us to get anything doneą Letting them finish the 2nd titan would have been just dumb of us. The LV titan was coming out of the oven in 1 week. This was in the LV high command forums.
Why did you guys not jump in your whole fleet at once then if you were there to counter the numbers...
Why did you guys systematically jump in just enough people every time to crash the node, and leave the rest of your fleet somewhere else?
Why are there teamspeak recordings floating around of your FC's telling people how to crash the nodes?
You guys are so anti-bob for meta gaming and being all*****y but I havent seen a single mature decent post from anyone on your side in a long time. On top of that with the constant bragging about spying do you really think anyone outside of your bandwagon respects you any more then BoB? No. |
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ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: incist
Why did you guys not jump in your whole fleet at once then if you were there to counter the numbers...
Jump Queues.
Originally by: incist
Why did you guys systematically jump in just enough people every time to crash the node, and leave the rest of your fleet somewhere else?
This is a leading question. This was not done on purpose. It was, once again, due to the jump queues.
Originally by: incist
Why are there teamspeak recordings floating around of your FC's telling people how to crash the nodes?
I do not recall this, but it is possible that they were talking about this without encouraging the forces to do this. I know for a fact that the Curse Alliance administration is vehemently opposed to purposely exploiting game mechanics. We hate dealing with node crashes just as much as most do.
Originally by: incist
You guys are so anti-bob for meta gaming and being all*****y but I havent seen a single mature decent post from anyone on your side in a long time. On top of that with the constant bragging about spying do you really think anyone outside of your bandwagon respects you any more then BoB? No.
There is a large amount of crap spewing out of the mouths of people from every alliance that posts regularly. This is sad but true. Additionally, just as in a real war, spying and subterfuge is a major part of warfare. It is an accepted fact that every major player most likely has spies in every other major player. Knowledge is power.
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Gallente
Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.22 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: incist
Why did you guys not jump in your whole fleet at once then if you were there to counter the numbers...
Why did you guys systematically jump in just enough people every time to crash the node, and leave the rest of your fleet somewhere else?
Why are there teamspeak recordings floating around of your FC's telling people how to crash the nodes?
You guys are so anti-bob for meta gaming and being all*****y but I havent seen a single mature decent post from anyone on your side in a long time. On top of that with the constant bragging about spying do you really think anyone outside of your bandwagon respects you any more then BoB? No.
Oh, just stop. War is not a boxing match. In war, you aren't there to have a fair fight, you are there to win. In fact, as a commander you are tasked with trying to make the fight as unfair (in your favor) as you possibly can. What it takes to crash a node is no secret, and node crashes in this game are not a possiblity, they are an eventuality whenever opponents of any size at all meet. The only thing that you can do as a commander is try to manage them to be as favorable to your side as you can.
One of the first things that you learn as a military man is that battles are not always fought on sunny days at times and places of your choosing. Sometimes, in fact most times, you have to fight when conditions are less favorable than you'd like. If we all wanted to be really sportsman like, we'd all agree that if I wanted to take your system I'd challenge you for it and then we'd have a lag free 30 v 30 battle to decide the outcome in honorable combat. Don't hold your breath.
Until that magical day arrives, commanders are going to do what they need to do to win, and play the game as they find it, including bringing a large enough force to do the job, lag and crashes be damned. If you want a different outcome, you'll have to play a different game, I'm afraid.
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BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.02.22 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: incist
Originally by: Cupdeez
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
You didnt kill a titan, you aborted one, and I bet there was time left on its cook timer.
I dont think there was a compelling reason for the attack to happen then, other then 'we want to', which given the consequences to so many people on both sides, doesn't seem really justified.
So if you had a very good opportunity to kill a titan you would not because they have 400 people in local and your gang is 600? LetĘs call it off boys the node is going to crash.
You would rather take your 600 man fleet and put 5-10 POS into reinforce mode that really does nothing for you? Come on dude you sound retarded.
Lets see a titan is billion of isk a titan BPO is billions of isk and that kind of a loss hurts ones motivation to keep fighting. It also gave us the chance to setup a friendly POS to base our operations out of giving us a safe place.
On a side not if LV had 2 titans they would use 2 DDĘs at the same time making it very difficult for us to get anything doneą Letting them finish the 2nd titan would have been just dumb of us. The LV titan was coming out of the oven in 1 week. This was in the LV high command forums.
Why did you guys not jump in your whole fleet at once then if you were there to counter the numbers...
Why did you guys systematically jump in just enough people every time to crash the node, and leave the rest of your fleet somewhere else?
Why are there teamspeak recordings floating around of your FC's telling people how to crash the nodes?
You guys are so anti-bob for meta gaming and being all*****y but I havent seen a single mature decent post from anyone on your side in a long time. On top of that with the constant bragging about spying do you really think anyone outside of your bandwagon respects you any more then BoB? No.
The answer is jump queues. You can't jump in 1000 people all at once.
There was a constant stream of people coming down. If we had said: ok you 1000 people all jump in, do you think the node would have held? There was no order given that suggested to me any intent to crash a node. We wanted to get in there, and we did. We expected it would lag to hell and there was a real possibility of a node crash. We did not want this and did not facilitate it.
Ignoring eve, it is a natural human reactor to seek outside blame or denial during a loss. Football is a great example: The ref was *****. Same in EVE, but with the added bonus of the security blanket that is the internet to hide our emotions behind.
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Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.23 00:18:00 -
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Amarr
JEM Industries
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Those D2 Asterix sigs really are amusing.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: VBboy
Edited by: VBboy on 22/02/2007 17:19:51
Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
Yep yep. If you win, it's "tactics." If you lose, its "lag" or "crashes."
Way to show your sportsmanship, LV.
lol...i love wars, been in alot of them, just like them to be fair, giving everyone a fair go is imperative. I don't want to win a fight to lag whats the point when you lock someone and shoot but they cannot shoot back or even move.
If the coalition actually won due to fair means i would be happy to say we got owned, but that was not the case.
Lag works both ways. For every player on your side that couldn't fire, there's one on the other that can't either. Only complete morons don't understand that. There's no magic "lag the other side" button (No, not even on BoB's side)
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
This arguement, which I've seen so many times, is simply wrong headed thinking. The node crash was purposeful. Not preplanned, perhaps, but most definitely folks jumped to JV knowing full well that the node stood a rats chance in hell of staying up, and simply tossing the entire battle into a*****ed hat.
What other choice did the coalition have? How about taking the cap ships you had assembled and attacking multiple station systems while the ENTIRE effective LV fleet was trapped in JV? A completely clear opportunity missed because of poor planning and focus. LV had little choice but to defend the system as heavily as possible. The coalition did have a choice on what to do about it.
From the point of game mechanics, their leadership chose wrong, imo. But hey, maybe folks had fun staring at the login screen.
So in other words, you think that all you have to do to win a battle is field enough pilots so that any opposing force would crash the node? So then it's automatically the other side's fault?
Gee, that makes sense. The simple fact is that LV screwed up in trying to get back in by constantly having people quit and start over, so they never got in.
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Caldari
The Knights of the New Republic
Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2007.02.23 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Denrace
Those D2 Asterix sigs really are amusing.
Agreed!
A winning strategy!
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Gallente
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 02:40:00 -
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To the guy that seems to be accusing me of being a member of LV, I'd suggest looking at my alliance tag first. This isn't a whine, as I lost nothing of any kind. Its a rebuttal of all the various comments that have been made that claim:
1. Its just as much LV's fault
2. What else could the coalition do?
Now, I said before and I'll say it again, I'm not saying that what happened was a preplanned crashing of the node. But as Shin Ra himself pointed out in his post, the leadership of the coalition was well aware that, given the situation, jumping in had a very good chance of crashing the node.
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Eh? This line of reasoning is so devoid of logic it is almost impossible to follow. By this argument, the attacker is required to wait until the defender feels like not showing up to mount an attack?
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So if you had a very good opportunity to kill a titan you would not because they have 400 people in local and your gang is 600? LetĘs call it off boys the node is going to crash.
You would rather take your 600 man fleet and put 5-10 POS into reinforce mode that really does nothing for you? Come on dude you sound retarded.
Lets see a titan is billion of isk a titan BPO is billions of isk and that kind of a loss hurts ones motivation to keep fighting. It also gave us the chance to setup a friendly POS to base our operations out of giving us a safe place.
No. The attacker need to work to stretch the enemy thin, overextend him, and use greater numbers (if he has them) to spread the enemy out, before attacking. By locking up the LV guys in JV and attacking MULTIPLE station systems, coalition would have had their pick of towers and stations to kill the next day, with little LV could do. And if LV ran all over their space trying to cover it up, JV would be uncovered for an attack. Think rope-a-dope.
And, noone would have to crash anything.
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So in other words, you think that all you have to do to win a battle is field enough pilots so that any opposing force would crash the node? So then it's automatically the other side's fault?
erm....isnt this exactly what the coalition did? geez, and folks are trying to call ME illogical...
btw, I find it amusing to be called 'retarded' when I suggest trying a better, more comprehensive strategy then cramming as many people as possible through the gate and crossing your fingers that the node holds.
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Veronique deEstelle
Gallente
Diplomatic Disruption
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Posted - 2007.02.23 05:01:00 -
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Ageis, you neglect that this seems to be some kind of oportunity due to some POS refill timing and that they thought the titan would be complete during a week.
So I think they weren't that free in choosing their field of battle. I doubt even the Coalition can get 1000++ pilots together every day.
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Darken Two
Gallente
Hybonashi Industries
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.02.23 05:49:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
To the guy that seems to be accusing me of being a member of LV, I'd suggest looking at my alliance tag first. This isn't a whine, as I lost nothing of any kind. Its a rebuttal of all the various comments that have been made that claim:
1. Its just as much LV's fault
2. What else could the coalition do?
Now, I said before and I'll say it again, I'm not saying that what happened was a preplanned crashing of the node. But as Shin Ra himself pointed out in his post, the leadership of the coalition was well aware that, given the situation, jumping in had a very good chance of crashing the node.
Quote:
Eh? This line of reasoning is so devoid of logic it is almost impossible to follow. By this argument, the attacker is required to wait until the defender feels like not showing up to mount an attack?
and
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So if you had a very good opportunity to kill a titan you would not because they have 400 people in local and your gang is 600? LetĘs call it off boys the node is going to crash.
You would rather take your 600 man fleet and put 5-10 POS into reinforce mode that really does nothing for you? Come on dude you sound retarded.
Lets see a titan is billion of isk a titan BPO is billions of isk and that kind of a loss hurts ones motivation to keep fighting. It also gave us the chance to setup a friendly POS to base our operations out of giving us a safe place.
No. The attacker need to work to stretch the enemy thin, overextend him, and use greater numbers (if he has them) to spread the enemy out, before attacking. By locking up the LV guys in JV and attacking MULTIPLE station systems, coalition would have had their pick of towers and stations to kill the next day, with little LV could do. And if LV ran all over their space trying to cover it up, JV would be uncovered for an attack. Think rope-a-dope.
And, noone would have to crash anything.
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So in other words, you think that all you have to do to win a battle is field enough pilots so that any opposing force would crash the node? So then it's automatically the other side's fault?
erm....isnt this exactly what the coalition did? geez, and folks are trying to call ME illogical...
btw, I find it amusing to be called 'retarded' when I suggest trying a better, more comprehensive strategy then cramming as many people as possible through the gate and crossing your fingers that the node holds.
I love these modern day Sun Tzus.
Your logic would have worked great.....if LV were NPC's.
Unfortunately, they are actually human and therefore would probably not fall for something as stupid as that embarrassing strategy you just mentioned.
Your simplistic analysis of the situation is amusing and stupid at the same time.
You can stop it now.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.23 05:51:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Bodark
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: VBboy
Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time ...
same way teh titan pilot lost it's Toyota Corola... too bad, at least now you know how it feels
situations like that would hopefully help in placing blame where it belongs and rediculous statements like "oh well those are game mechanincs LIVE with them" would turn into "FIX THE DAMN GAME"
Titan pilot had the option to log back in and save his ship.
LV pilots didnt.
Yes. Cos he could tell he was getting attacked... while he was offline...
Wipe your mouth you still have a tiny bit of bull**** around your lips.
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.23 06:01:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 23/02/2007 06:02:46
Originally by: Akinai
Lag works both ways. For every player on your side that couldn't fire, there's one on the other that can't either. Only complete morons don't understand that. There's no magic "lag the other side" button (No, not even on BoB's side)
*some more stupidity*
Only complete morons or those in corps with ferocious names like trade organization dont realise that 1 side lags a HELL of a lot more, the side that warps in (assuming like most that they dont use an on grid warp in point to load the grid, nice trick bob taught me...) will lag like crazy as they try and load the grid. This also happens if you jump into something.
The defender might get crazy lag but will generally only get a little as they load all the incoming ships. It might hurt their tacklers but their fleet can normally still target and fire just fine. The attackers however, get screwed over.
The defender was partially at fault in this case, but if a few thousand enemys were coming for my home system i'd want as many people there as i could too. LV cant ***** at goon for crashing the node and goon cant ***** at LV for setting it up...
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Swift Wind
6rasshopper Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 06:48:00 -
[98]
WOOT! Good work gents, Yet another added to the books....
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Cadiz
Caldari
No Quarter.
C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.23 07:12:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Cadiz on 23/02/2007 07:12:10
Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 23/02/2007 06:02:46
Originally by: Akinai
Lag works both ways. For every player on your side that couldn't fire, there's one on the other that can't either. Only complete morons don't understand that. There's no magic "lag the other side" button (No, not even on BoB's side)
*some more stupidity*
Only complete morons or those in corps with ferocious names like trade organization dont realise that 1 side lags a HELL of a lot more, the side that warps in (assuming like most that they dont use an on grid warp in point to load the grid, nice trick bob taught me...) will lag like crazy as they try and load the grid. This also happens if you jump into something.
The defender might get crazy lag but will generally only get a little as they load all the incoming ships. It might hurt their tacklers but their fleet can normally still target and fire just fine. The attackers however, get screwed over.
The defender was partially at fault in this case, but if a few thousand enemys were coming for my home system i'd want as many people there as i could too. LV cant ***** at goon for crashing the node and goon cant ***** at LV for setting it up...
Actually, due to the way loading priority works these days, those who are jumping into a camped system have a considerable advantage if there is a risk that the node may crash in the process. Why do you think BoB make such a mantra of always being the ones to jump in? It's not just because they're ballsy, I assure you.
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ECP Rogues
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.23 07:25:00 -
[100]
Congrats to the winners and keep up the good fight.
Also showing off my new sig
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Akinai
Gallente External Trade Organization
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Posted - 2007.02.23 08:02:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
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So in other words, you think that all you have to do to win a battle is field enough pilots so that any opposing force would crash the node? So then it's automatically the other side's fault?
erm....isnt this exactly what the coalition did? geez, and folks are trying to call ME illogical...
erm.. no. Lacking a bit in the way of logic skills, are we?
You are saying that the coalition should've ignored JV1V simply because they had enough pilots that LV + Coalition would = node crash.
By that faulty logic, if one alliance fields enough ships to the battle, the other should just give it up and go somewhere else, thereby giving the victory to the defenders by default.
That's just asinine logic, and completely unworkable.
Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 23/02/2007 06:02:46
1 side lags a HELL of a lot more, the side that warps in (assuming like most that they dont use an on grid warp in point to load the grid, nice trick bob taught me...) will lag like crazy as they try and load the grid. This also happens if you jump into something.
Once the initial load is past though, the lag will be nearly identical. And in situations like JV1V where it isn't a massive warpin to one point, that part isn't even a major issue.
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Treebeard dk
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.23 10:44:00 -
[102]
Good job on the JV station, right now you have the upper hand and the numbers to control the nodes, if the nodes had not crashed who knows how long we could have kept the POS's running but that does not matter now, enjoy the station as we have in the past 18 months, 18 months in the same are is a long time, for most of EVE population, so I guess its time to regroup somewhere else.
What I really look forward to see is how fast the coalition turn on eachother if you succeed in removing LV from Tenerifis, I'd bet you'll find a new "bad guy" within the coalition real fast and blame them of just being there which seems to be the idea you have given everyone jumping on the bandwagon with you.
Good luck with the rest of the campaign.
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.23 10:47:00 -
[103]
two things:
1) You're assuming this coalition WANTS to stay blue to one another once you and bob are dead.
2) You sound like a man defeated my friend :(
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Treebeard dk
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.23 11:44:00 -
[104]
Yes, I assume that, if not then you'll just have this type of warfare in the same area as we have now, doubt you will be able to keep that up.
Defeated, not yet but I know you'd like to be the first to speak down to people when you get the chance so I'll refrain to comment further on it and simply say, if we get defeated, you had nothing to do with it.
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prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.23 11:54:00 -
[105]
Originally by: KIATolon
two things:
1) You're assuming this coalition WANTS to stay blue to one another once you and bob are dead.
I'm pretty sure your forum "coalition" will start infighting long before they reach nol. In fact, it has already begun. Let's see how long you keep it together with a foundation in quicksand.
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Kojirochan
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:05:00 -
[106]
First off good job on taking the station, i can finally get my hairbands back i left in the station from my time in LV space while i was a member in KOS.
2nd, with the posts bringing nobodies who are not involved in the war posting comments and accusing people of various things. If the Coalition bring 2000 pilots to a system to fight, why are we to blame if the node crashes? Im sure if LV/BoB/Fix brought 2000 people the node would crash. Its a problem CCP have to deal with otherwise this will just happen
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Duke Grail
Darkblade Technologies
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:09:00 -
[107]
Originally by: prsr
Originally by: KIATolon
two things:
1) You're assuming this coalition WANTS to stay blue to one another once you and bob are dead.
I'm pretty sure your forum "coalition" will start infighting long before they reach nol. In fact, it has already begun. Let's see how long you keep it together with a foundation in quicksand.
Quit spewing garbage.
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Tom Gunn
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.23 14:10:00 -
[108]
Good going guys,
Not sure what the reason is in eve that players will do everything to blame the game/others for their failings, LV command must of known this would happen - are these just posts of denial?
We all know CCP have a game that can't support fleet combat on the scale we're talking, moaning about it won't help, so learn to deal with it.
Its just another example of how offense works better than defense in Eve.
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Treebeard dk
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.23 14:30:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Tom Gunn
Good going guys,
Not sure what the reason is in eve that players will do everything to blame the game/others for their failings, LV command must of known this would happen - are these just posts of denial?
We all know CCP have a game that can't support fleet combat on the scale we're talking, moaning about it won't help, so learn to deal with it.
Its just another example of how offense works better than defense in Eve.
Neither offense or defense works, bugs and node crashes broke morale rather than the enemies, so blame it on who you like.
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Tom Gunn
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.23 14:51:00 -
[110]
More denial.
Excuses aside, offense clearly works, you lost the station.
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Electric Cucumber
Amarr
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.23 15:23:00 -
[111]
1.Bookmark 97
2.Bookmark 80
are LV trying to make lag themselves or are they hauling their bookmarks to AZN??
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Saul Reaver
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Posted - 2007.02.23 15:53:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Hyllekjeks
yay more places to dock. Me likes.
If any lv wanna sell a cheap moros up there contact me :P
Why do you want to buy a Moros? Did we kill your old one? Nuff said?
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Seana Elria
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.23 16:02:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Cadiz
Why do you think BoB make such a mantra of always being the ones to jump in? It's not just because they're ballsy, I assure you.
BoB jumping in... Have yet to see it.
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.23 16:08:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Bodark
Titan pilot had the option to log back in and save his ship.
LV pilots didnt.
I like to see you login with ~100ppl in the same grid + 200 fighters all shooting at you, if you accomplish that in less than the time it needs for your ship, even if it's a titan, to explode: congratulations
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Thoric Frosthammer
The Syndicate Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 16:13:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
To the guy that seems to be accusing me of being a member of LV, I'd suggest looking at my alliance tag first. This isn't a whine, as I lost nothing of any kind. Its a rebuttal of all the various comments that have been made that claim:
1. Its just as much LV's fault
2. What else could the coalition do?
Now, I said before and I'll say it again, I'm not saying that what happened was a preplanned crashing of the node. But as Shin Ra himself pointed out in his post, the leadership of the coalition was well aware that, given the situation, jumping in had a very good chance of crashing the node.
Quote:
Eh? This line of reasoning is so devoid of logic it is almost impossible to follow. By this argument, the attacker is required to wait until the defender feels like not showing up to mount an attack?
and
Quote:
So if you had a very good opportunity to kill a titan you would not because they have 400 people in local and your gang is 600? LetĘs call it off boys the node is going to crash.
You would rather take your 600 man fleet and put 5-10 POS into reinforce mode that really does nothing for you? Come on dude you sound retarded.
Lets see a titan is billion of isk a titan BPO is billions of isk and that kind of a loss hurts ones motivation to keep fighting. It also gave us the chance to setup a friendly POS to base our operations out of giving us a safe place.
No. The attacker need to work to stretch the enemy thin, overextend him, and use greater numbers (if he has them) to spread the enemy out, before attacking. By locking up the LV guys in JV and attacking MULTIPLE station systems, coalition would have had their pick of towers and stations to kill the next day, with little LV could do. And if LV ran all over their space trying to cover it up, JV would be uncovered for an attack. Think rope-a-dope.
And, noone would have to crash anything.
Quote:
So in other words, you think that all you have to do to win a battle is field enough pilots so that any opposing force would crash the node? So then it's automatically the other side's fault?
erm....isnt this exactly what the coalition did? geez, and folks are trying to call ME illogical...
btw, I find it amusing to be called 'retarded' when I suggest trying a better, more comprehensive strategy then cramming as many people as possible through the gate and crossing your fingers that the node holds.
The same total lack of logic pervades this argument as the prior one.
A) These are people, not retarded AI. They know what you are trying to do. They didn't care about their other stations that night, they cared about bringing their capital POS back up. They weren't going anywhere. Their response to an attack somewhere else would have been "Thank god we can get the Titan brewing again while those goobers attack somewhere else".
B) As previously pointed out, POS warfare is appointment warfare. Worst that could happen to them by defending Titan was that a few poses would be tossed into reinforced elsewhere while they waited. Which they would then get to defend after the capital pos was safe and they came out of reinforced. The appointment that night was at JV. LV kept it, and so did the Goons. The game design forces these battles. Everyone but you seems to understand that.
C) CCP is to blame both for the game mechanics and the lack of solid programming and server power that turn huge fleet battles into clusterf***s.
D) Repeat three times after me: "I am not Sun Tzu, and I should be quiet now and sit in the timeout corner"
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.02.23 17:30:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 23/02/2007 17:27:44
Originally by: Destrukter
1. LV had an intensive gate camp with 20 large bubbles and a complete fleet of 400 on the gate waiting to roast anyone who jumped in.
2. The Coalition knowing what they faced in JV1V amassed a Fleet of 1000+ Pilots to break that camp.
Sure its not the other way around?
And man I find it funny LV is at fault for using their rather large investment in carriers in fleet combat. SHAME ON YOU, your time investment and money has no place here, t1 frigs ftw!
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Stede Bonnet
Minmatar
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:06:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Stede Bonnet on 23/02/2007 18:08:06
... delete pls
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Da time be now,
Rise up me enslaved brethren.
Rise up and fight,
Ye darks time is numbered.
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Stede Bonnet
Minmatar
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:11:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Stede Bonnet on 23/02/2007 18:08:20
Originally by: Tom Gunn
More denial.
Excuses aside, offense clearly works, you lost the station.
uh, trouncing over a system because the defenders cant log in is not offense.. No matter what you want to call it, its not Offense...
Unless your offense was to crash the node, then get in (i mean why else were you dreads waiting in a system on a different node?) your offense didnt work, CCP made the offensive move, not you guys.
Originally by: Sexorella hotz
Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 23/02/2007 17:27:44
Originally by: Destrukter
1. LV had an intensive gate camp with 20 large bubbles and a complete fleet of 400 on the gate waiting to roast anyone who jumped in.
2. The Coalition knowing what they faced in JV1V amassed a Fleet of 1000+ Pilots to break that camp.
Sure its not the other way around?
And man I find it funny LV is at fault for using their rather large investment in carriers in fleet combat. SHAME ON YOU, your time investment and money has no place here, t1 frigs ftw!
That gate camp only had to hold for what, 10 minutes after the tower came out of reinforced mode? At which points the shields would have been fully recharged and the Bandwagoneers would have had to put the tower in reinforced mode. Thats why such a camp was setup, even if they managed to get in and get passed the camp the tower would have been fully recharged by the time the camp was broken.
Really the camp should have worked (with the bubbles and all) even if the node crashed but the tower kept reseting its reinforced timer or something (as far as I was told) stretching out the time they needed to repair the pos beyond the time taken at the gate.
LV knew the node would die, yes and they trued to prepare for it, but there is a difference between preparing for the worst (lv prepping for a node crash) and encouraging a crash on comms (coalition), IMO of course...
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Rise up me enslaved brethren.
Rise up and fight,
Ye darks time is numbered.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:19:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Boliknar on 23/02/2007 18:15:35
Originally by: Stede Bonnet
Edited by: Stede Bonnet on 23/02/2007 18:08:06
... delete pls
So your saying that because the coalition knew that the node might not hold up they should have politely asked LV exactly how many ships they had. Then they should have only brought that number of ships through the gate. Its like crying because the other football team has bigger stronger guys. Waa Waa you have too many pilots Waa Waa. Its typical of todays society really. Oh they are too big or too stong! Goodness knows we cant look at ourselves and lay any responsibility there... so something simpily must be done to make it "fair" for us.
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Stede Bonnet
Minmatar
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:21:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Boliknar
Edited by: Boliknar on 23/02/2007 18:15:35
Originally by: Stede Bonnet
Edited by: Stede Bonnet on 23/02/2007 18:08:06
... delete pls
So your saying that because the coalition knew that the node might not hold up they should have politely asked LV exactly how many ships they had. Then they should have only brought that number of ships through the gate. Its like crying because the other football team has bigger stronger guys. Waa Waa you have too many pilots Waa Waa. Its typical of todays society really. Oh they are too big or too stong! Goodness knows we cant look at ourselves and lay any responsibility there... so something simpily must be done to make it "fair" for us.
No what I said is it was not offense. The Coalition DID NOT WIN the system because they are good at fighting as the person I quoted implied. They only won it because of node crashes, NOT BECAUSE IT WAS AN OFFENSIVE ATTACK.
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Da time be now,
Rise up me enslaved brethren.
Rise up and fight,
Ye darks time is numbered.
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Lance Hawke
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:23:00 -
[121]
Originally by: VBboy
Thank ccp not us, they gave you JV1 and 77s..grats you win due to game machanics, bet your proud of that fight!
VB
Someone is a sore loser. *snip* Keep it civil. -Ivan K
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Mullacaust
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.23 19:28:00 -
[122]
yay we win
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Inmate 19225004
Absoluten Calfeutrail
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Posted - 2007.02.23 19:32:00 -
[123]
prepare for the surrender.
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Dregann
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 19:37:00 -
[124]
Grats Coaliton
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.02.23 19:43:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Inmate 19225004
prepare for the surrender.
Post it on scrapheap first!
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The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.23 19:44:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Inmate 19225004
prepare for the surrender.
LV assets will not be allowed to escape under any circumstances if they are simply going to go become BoB slaves. We will just twist the knife here and continue twisting until they disband or beg for mercy, and then twist more. Then we'll publish all their internal communications and utterly humiliate them before destroying anything that remains.
Of course, any LV corps which aren't keen on hopping in bed with Molle are welcome to contact me through the usual methods in a non-public fashion, and perhaps we can find a way for you to gracefully exit. This isn't personal with LV, they're just in our way.
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Hastrabull
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.23 19:57:00 -
[127]
Goons feel teh power :) it doesnt matter we just slapped you in the face in 0-w :) feel strong, be kicky, underestimate your opponent :) We will use this.
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.23 20:01:00 -
[128]
fear the surprise lovemaking locamotive
watch out goons, by killing LV, LV have just won. now they aren't tied down to poses and outposts and assets anymore!
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Hastrabull
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.23 20:14:00 -
[129]
Originally by: mazzilliu
fear the surprise lovemaking locamotive
watch out goons, by killing LV, LV have just won. now they aren't tied down to poses and outposts and assets anymore!
and here you are right sir
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Daald
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.23 20:20:00 -
[130]
Quote:
fear the surprise lovemaking locamotive
watch out goons, by killing LV, LV have just won. now they aren't tied down to poses and outposts and assets anymore!
Bahh...when will people get over this stupid saying. Of course you can't kill anything in this game. It is not real life but you sure can take their stuff. If you think that having less is more then let's smoke some pot together sometimes you hippy! :)
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You guys have been in hiding for the last 5 days and we were afraid that we wouldn't meet our quota for ships lost this week. Thanks for sorting this out 
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2007.02.23 20:28:00 -
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Sorry folks, not trying to derail the thread, seems there's 2 convsations going at once :)
To those talking about the node crash incident:
This, as I see it, is the gist of your arguement. The POS timer dictates when you fight. So, when the timer comes up, NO MATTER WHAT, you attack.
If that means you need to defend with 400, or 800, or 1000 people, so be it. If that means you need to jump in 400, or 800, or 1000 people to attack, then so be it.
Then, when you try to force the game to do what you KNOW it can't, you say 'blame CCP'.
Don't try to adapt to the game, don't try to work with what the game CAN do, ignore that completely! Simply try and force it to fit what you want, and then blame the game when it won't work that way.
Should CCP do what it takes to make the game work that way? Absolutely, if its possible, then it needs doing. Will continually trying to magically force it to happen make it work spontaneously?
Nope.
But I can see I'm arguing at those massively more knowledgeable then I am....I just go sit and stare at that login screen some more, until I see it being as fun as you do.
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Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Daald
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watch out goons, by killing LV, LV have just won. now they aren't tied down to poses and outposts and assets anymore!
Bahh...when will people get over this stupid saying. Of course you can't kill anything in this game. It is not real life but you sure can take their stuff. If you think that having less is more then let's smoke some pot together sometimes you hippy! :)
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Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:06:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
Sorry folks, not trying to derail the thread, seems there's 2 convsations going at once :)
To those talking about the node crash incident:
This, as I see it, is the gist of your arguement. The POS timer dictates when you fight. So, when the timer comes up, NO MATTER WHAT, you attack.
If that means you need to defend with 400, or 800, or 1000 people, so be it. If that means you need to jump in 400, or 800, or 1000 people to attack, then so be it.
Then, when you try to force the game to do what you KNOW it can't, you say 'blame CCP'.
Don't try to adapt to the game, don't try to work with what the game CAN do, ignore that completely! Simply try and force it to fit what you want, and then blame the game when it won't work that way.
Should CCP do what it takes to make the game work that way? Absolutely, if its possible, then it needs doing. Will continually trying to magically force it to happen make it work spontaneously?
Nope.
But I can see I'm arguing at those massively more knowledgeable then I am....I just go sit and stare at that login screen some more, until I see it being as fun as you do.
Hmm... You must be 12 or maybe a dumb 16 year old.
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cupdeez
Hmm... You must be 12 or maybe a dumb 16 year old.
LOL My kids get a laugh from that one. Thanks for the humor :D
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Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Taison on 23/02/2007 22:13:09
Cant we finally close that topics? We all play the same game and follow the same rules. and we got to admit it. It's not the first and the last time nodes crash and nothing can be done. U like eve? Adopt as we did - when beeing in same situation. U dont? - quit. and 778 POS were offlined by a spy before the reset - so after the sov turned neutral. Can me move along and keep fighting or what?
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Lunas Feelgood
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:19:00 -
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Lol I see LV spind is still going well..: Every stn we lose just makes us stronger, and when we got no stn left we got nothing to hold us back
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soulkiller3
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:36:00 -
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Well for a allince that is dead(RA) a allince that is a bunch of noob`s flying frigs(Goons) and a allince that is just a road bump(CA) i dont thing we have not done bad.
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Copine Callmeknau
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:40:00 -
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:46:00 -
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Is it true that the initial jump-in of goonswarm (that began the node crashes) was by 300-400 pilots all flying noob ships? I dont mean their typical T1 frigs and cruisers, I mean in actual velators, ibises, etc?
If thats the case... shame on the coalition. You can spin that however you want, but.. wow.
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker
Is it true that the initial jump-in of goonswarm (that began the node crashes) was by 300-400 pilots all flying noob ships? I dont mean their typical T1 frigs and cruisers, I mean in actual velators, ibises, etc?
If thats the case... shame on the coalition. You can spin that however you want, but.. wow.
No, that is patently false.
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Sinister Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.24 01:10:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Akinai
Originally by: Wylker
Is it true that the initial jump-in of goonswarm (that began the node crashes) was by 300-400 pilots all flying noob ships? I dont mean their typical T1 frigs and cruisers, I mean in actual velators, ibises, etc?
If thats the case... shame on the coalition. You can spin that however you want, but.. wow.
No, that is patently false.
haha patently false, where have I heard that before :)
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Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.24 01:34:00 -
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The way I read it GoonSwarm threw a suicide fleet of around 100 ships at you before the rest of the fleet arrived. This is something they are known to do all the time in order to test the defenses of the enemy in a cheap manner. Of course you used this to boast endlessly about your prowess and used it as the basis for your "we pwnd their first fleet they never could have defeated us" and also based your "they launched multiple fleets into the gate to intentionally crash the node" on this one act even though the timeline of the events clearly do not add up.
By LV's account they are completely unbeatable unless the enemy cheats or has GM/Dev help (a completely idiotic accusation considering the scandal with BoB was in full swing and no GM/Dev would be dumb enough to even attempt something like that at the time). Get a clue people.
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F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.24 02:54:00 -
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LV won a fight and they think their big and tough again?
You are the biggest bunch of whining crybabies I have ever seen in a game.
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adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.24 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Adrian Devoid on 24/02/2007 06:02:33
Edited by: Adrian Devoid on 24/02/2007 06:00:45
Originally by: crudhunch
Originally by: Doomed Predator
Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
Wow this maybe the only LV response I have seen for either of these systems in which LV isnĘt acting like poor losers and crying cheaters to goons.
Grats on the station guys. Maybe someday soon you might be able to fight someone like FIX who likes a good fight. When they loose they donĘt run around crying and when they win they donĘt through it in your face. Just enjoy a good fight.
Good hunting
You know why? because the decent ones of us are tired of the endless trolling and hardly post.
Yes i mean you, and you, and you, and you(yes, all of you be u goon, d2, ra, lv or bob)
The endless hate on these forums guarantees 2 things:
1. Decent pilots who like to play the game for the game stay out of CAOD
2. The trolls pile up on eachother, both claiming the otherside are bad people for endless trolling.
Adrian
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Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
LV won a fight and they think their big and tough again?
You are the biggest bunch of whining crybabies I have ever seen in a game.
Hmmm I dont get it.
When coalition wins an engagment, we have 5-6 pages threads with "we won", "you gona all die", "tick tock" etc.
When LV or BoB and allies win an engagment, even with 1 post somthing like ur response comes.
Just lol :-)
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:58:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Adrian Devoid
You know why? because the decent ones of us are tired of the endless trolling and hardly post.
Yes i mean you, and you, and you, and you(yes, all of you be u goon, d2, ra, lv or bob)
The endless hate on these forums guarantees 2 things:
1. Decent pilots who like to play the game for the game stay out of CAOD
2. The trolls pile up on eachother, both claiming the otherside are bad people for endless trolling.
Adrian
Wouldnt it be time to start kicking trolls out of the alliances then?
Makes alliance (and i dont mean LV here, im talking about everyone) look quite bad when someone is spamming offical forums with useless crap.
Get rid of trolls and make your alliance look better. Those trolls can join privateers or some other worthless alliance
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Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 24/02/2007 10:10:29
Originally by: Zeveron
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
LV won a fight and they think their big and tough again?
You are the biggest bunch of whining crybabies I have ever seen in a game.
Hmmm I dont get it.
When coalition wins an engagment, we have 5-6 pages threads with "we won", "you gona all die", "tick tock" etc.
When LV or BoB and allies win an engagment, even with 1 post somthing like ur response comes.
Just lol :-)
Bob and LV told people not to post for the reason not to be seen as punks and idiots here.
We didn't, the result is some people are against us JUST for this.
That is just simple metapropaganda...
The Coa is a wild beast. All dominos are set, V for Vendetta ftw :)
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Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Adrian Devoid
Edited by: Adrian Devoid on 24/02/2007 06:02:33
Edited by: Adrian Devoid on 24/02/2007 06:00:45
Originally by: crudhunch
Originally by: Doomed Predator
Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
Wow this maybe the only LV response I have seen for either of these systems in which LV isnĘt acting like poor losers and crying cheaters to goons.
Grats on the station guys. Maybe someday soon you might be able to fight someone like FIX who likes a good fight. When they loose they donĘt run around crying and when they win they donĘt through it in your face. Just enjoy a good fight.
Good hunting
You know why? because the decent ones of us are tired of the endless trolling and hardly post.
Yes i mean you, and you, and you, and you(yes, all of you be u goon, d2, ra, lv or bob)
The endless hate on these forums guarantees 2 things:
1. Decent pilots who like to play the game for the game stay out of CAOD
2. The trolls pile up on eachother, both claiming the otherside are bad people for endless trolling.
Adrian
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Love You Long Time
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mesuk Esuckee on 24/02/2007 10:33:45
Originally by: Wylker
Is it true that the initial jump-in of goonswarm (that began the node crashes) was by 300-400 pilots all flying noob ships? I dont mean their typical T1 frigs and cruisers, I mean in actual velators, ibises, etc?
If thats the case... shame on the coalition. You can spin that however you want, but.. wow.
Good god, how are people still this woefully ignorant? The tactics are plain as day here. Let me spell this out for you:
1. Goons put the POS into reinforced. They realize there's been an error in the stront timing, and those 200 goons log off in-system so that they are already behind the inevitable gate camp. Following me so far? Mmm-kay.
2. Now, the main force assembles at the gate. Meanwhile, any covops that were already in system (see #1 if you've forgotten already) start setting up warp-ins on the snipers at the camp.
3. The rest of the force already in system logs on (again, see #1) and prepares to jump the snipers. Several wings of cheap EWAR frig and cruiser support ships jump in to tie up and distract the main body of the gate camp, and hopefully get the snipers too busy to notice that a sizable fleet just landed on top of them thanks to those covops'(see #2).
4. Snipers either die or bug out, and the gatecamp has to waste time sorting out whether to protect the snipers or protect the gate. With the snipers so occupied, the main body of the attacking force can now make a rush to break through the bubbles with significantly less loss.
Unfortunately, the node crashed at the execution point of all of this, and left everyone staring at the login screen for hours on end. There's a ton of idiots on both sides trying to claim the other was intentionally trying to crash the node. It's a load of crap. Both sides had valid tactics for the upcoming battle, and both sides wanted to be a part of the biggest battle in Eve history. It's as simple as that. LV feels cheated (and rightly so!) that they had no chance to defend. On the other hand, the Coalition in large part feels it was a hollow victory, because it lacked the glory of victory in combat.
Editorial:
The problem is, there's nothing for it. Escalation is the way of warfare, and CCP continually add more powerful capital ships that require ever greater forces with which to overcome. They continue to develop a warfare infrastructure that the game was not designed to handle. Now, they've stated they are looking at optimizing and scaling things down, but development cycles are rarely short. This battle is a likely blueprint for the way that strategically important battles will continue to be fought, win or lose, for many months to come.
While this would appear to be in favor of the larger force, that is not necessarily the case. I'd like to point out to anyone still reading this tripe a simple game mechanic that should help insure that post-nodecrash forces are roughly more consistant: There is a log-in queue. Once you try to log in just let the game sit at the loading screen. Do not ctrl-q and try again. Doing so moves you to the back of the queue, meaning every single enemy that you would've logged in prior to will now get in ahead of you. I did try to re-log, and never got back in to the system because of it.
So, to people on both sides: STFU n00bs. This is a game of will and determination. The side that is more willing to push ahead despite both in-game defeat and crippling system issues is the side that will win.
To my enemies: I hope to someday be able to meet you on the field of battle at greater than 8 FPS.
edit: Well said, Adrian.
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Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
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Edited by: Zeveron on 24/02/2007 11:03:26
Originally by: Mesuk Esuckee
1. Goons put the POS into reinforced. They realize there's been an error in the stront timing, and those 200 goons log off in-system so that they are already behind the inevitable gate camp. Following me so far? Mmm-kay.
So GS abusing a bug for their own profit.
Exploit? No, bcs CCP cannot proove it.
Lame? Yes.
Originally by: Mesuk Esuckee
2. Now, the main force assembles at the gate. Meanwhile, any covops that were already in system (see #1 if you've forgotten already) start setting up warp-ins on the snipers at the camp.
See above.
Originally by: Mesuk Esuckee
3. The rest of the force already in system logs on (again, see #1) and prepares to jump the snipers. Several wings of cheap EWAR frig and cruiser support ships jump in to tie up and distract the main body of the gate camp, and hopefully get the snipers too busy to notice that a sizable fleet just landed on top of them thanks to those covops'(see #2).
See above x2
Now in my eyes GS abused a bug to gain profit.
You cannot call it exploit bcs no way ccp can proove it.
GS also used the lame login/logoff tactic.
What if the reinforced timer wasnt bugged?
What if the node didnt crashed several times?
I belive that LV would have boost the shield at the pos and now gona had 1 titan more.
So they have the right to blame CCP about their loss.
No GS, but CCP.
At the rest of ur points I have to aggree with you, well said :-)
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.24 11:40:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Zeveron
Edited by: Zeveron on 24/02/2007 11:03:26
Originally by: Mesuk Esuckee
1. Goons put the POS into reinforced. They realize there's been an error in the stront timing, and those 200 goons log off in-system so that they are already behind the inevitable gate camp. Following me so far? Mmm-kay.
So GS abusing a bug for their own profit.
Exploit? No, bcs CCP cannot proove it.
Lame? Yes.
Amusing. LV made a mistake in putting the wrong amount of strontium in their tower and you blame GS for using that blunder after they noticed it?
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Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.24 11:51:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Amusing. LV made a mistake in putting the wrong amount of strontium in their tower and you blame GS for using that blunder after they noticed it?
I thought there was a bug on the timer.
If it was a stront supply error nvm.
But never the less, loging off 200 ppl in a system is a lame tactic.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.24 12:05:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Heldane
The way I read it GoonSwarm threw a suicide fleet of around 100 ships at you before the rest of the fleet arrived. This is something they are known to do all the time in order to test the defenses of the enemy in a cheap manner. Of course you used this to boast endlessly about your prowess and used it as the basis for your "we pwnd their first fleet they never could have defeated us" and also based your "they launched multiple fleets into the gate to intentionally crash the node" on this one act even though the timeline of the events clearly do not add up.
By LV's account they are completely unbeatable unless the enemy cheats or has GM/Dev help (a completely idiotic accusation considering the scandal with BoB was in full swing and no GM/Dev would be dumb enough to even attempt something like that at the time). Get a clue people.
There was a suicide fleet, But it was not to test the defenses of the enemy. Its probably been mentioned what the purpose was in here before, but i wont be divulging that info.
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Caldari
Euro Traders
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Posted - 2007.02.24 12:05:00 -
[155]
Originally by: merc999
just been told that over 100 Goons are now docked in the old LV station in JV1
Good BLOB to all involved
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bulabuba
Gallente
Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.24 13:01:00 -
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Hmmm... well, I don't know of a polite way to say this, so I'll just say it. Don't be a-holes when you're winning.
For crissakes. Some of you in Goon sound just like DB Preacher. Is that what this war is about? You had it rubbed in your face, so now you want to be the ones rubbing it in people's faces?
In the process of beating BoB, try not to become BoB, or ultimately you'll meet the same fate as BoB at the hands of some of the vary people you're taunting and humilliating now. Respect from others starts with self-respect. Don't be what you hate.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.24 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: bulabuba
Hmmm... well, I don't know of a polite way to say this, so I'll just say it. Don't be a-holes when you're winning.
For crissakes. Some of you in Goon sound just like DB Preacher. Is that what this war is about? You had it rubbed in your face, so now you want to be the ones rubbing it in people's faces?
In the process of beating BoB, try not to become BoB, or ultimately you'll meet the same fate as BoB at the hands of some of the vary people you're taunting and humilliating now. Respect from others starts with self-respect. Don't be what you hate.
Thats the problem with hate.
When you hate something you become that which you hate. The coalition might not see it, but they have become the very thing they claim to hate so much about LV/BoB.
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Caldari
The Keep
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[158]
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: bulabuba
Hmmm... well, I don't know of a polite way to say this, so I'll just say it. Don't be a-holes when you're winning.
For crissakes. Some of you in Goon sound just like DB Preacher. Is that what this war is about? You had it rubbed in your face, so now you want to be the ones rubbing it in people's faces?
In the process of beating BoB, try not to become BoB, or ultimately you'll meet the same fate as BoB at the hands of some of the vary people you're taunting and humilliating now. Respect from others starts with self-respect. Don't be what you hate.
Thats the problem with hate.
When you hate something you become that which you hate. The coalition might not see it, but they have become the very thing they claim to hate so much about LV/BoB.
I don't have devs in my alliance giving me T2 BPO's.
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Love You Long Time
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Posted - 2007.02.24 18:50:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Zeveron
Originally by: Gnulpie
Amusing. LV made a mistake in putting the wrong amount of strontium in their tower and you blame GS for using that blunder after they noticed it?
I thought there was a bug on the timer.
If it was a stront supply error nvm.
But never the less, loging off 200 ppl in a system is a lame tactic.
Yes, this was LV's mistake, not a timer bug. And why is logging off in system a lame tactic? I can't think of a victorious military body who ever gave up a strategically advantageous geographical position to fight on the enemy's terms, especially because it might be 'lame.' It's pretty simple. Be where your opponent thinks you can't be, and surprise him when he least expects it.
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Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.24 19:26:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Mesuk Esuckee
Yes, this was LV's mistake, not a timer bug. And why is logging off in system a lame tactic? I can't think of a victorious military body who ever gave up a strategically advantageous geographical position to fight on the enemy's terms, especially because it might be 'lame.' It's pretty simple. Be where your opponent thinks you can't be, and surprise him when he least expects it.
Well logoff/login tactics considered lame, especialy when they are made in the same system.
As far as the tactic goes, well they knew exactly were u were but they couldnt engage you bcs u guys were not logged in :-)
Anyway, have fun while it lasts :-)
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Posted - 2007.02.24 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI on 24/02/2007 19:38:45
Originally by: Zeveron
Originally by: Mesuk Esuckee
Yes, this was LV's mistake, not a timer bug. And why is logging off in system a lame tactic? I can't think of a victorious military body who ever gave up a strategically advantageous geographical position to fight on the enemy's terms, especially because it might be 'lame.' It's pretty simple. Be where your opponent thinks you can't be, and surprise him when he least expects it.
Well logoff/login tactics considered lame, especialy when they are made in the same system.
As far as the tactic goes, well they knew exactly were u were but they couldnt engage you bcs u guys were not logged in :-)
Anyway, have fun while it lasts :-)
Thats about the most retarded thing I've ever heard, what if everybody logged off in the system stayed there with the exception of DT with a cloak on... It would have been the same deal, except people aren't wasting time sitting in a system waiting for something to happen.
Theoretically they could warp between safespots as well, hiding that way as well, although the defenders MIGHT have gotten lucky and picked off a few people if they weren't smart, but that would have produced an enormous amount of bookmarks in the system, which I'm sure would have helped lag, giving LV even more reason to *****.
Personally though playing hide and seek all day while waiting for Stront timers sounds boring as hell though, and if it were me I'd just as soon turn the damned computer off and do something else. If you'd rather do the "honorable" thing and waste your life staring at computer generated stars, you need professional help.
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Taison
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.24 20:11:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Zeveron
Originally by: Mesuk Esuckee
Yes, this was LV's mistake, not a timer bug. And why is logging off in system a lame tactic? I can't think of a victorious military body who ever gave up a strategically advantageous geographical position to fight on the enemy's terms, especially because it might be 'lame.' It's pretty simple. Be where your opponent thinks you can't be, and surprise him when he least expects it.
Well logoff/login tactics considered lame, especialy when they are made in the same system.
As far as the tactic goes, well they knew exactly were u were but they couldnt engage you bcs u guys were not logged in :-)
Anyway, have fun while it lasts :-)
Ehhh- u sir mess 2 things here... Logoff tactics is lame when u jump through a gate - find urself in a camp and simply logoff. But staying in the sieged system and log off rather than fly 30+ jumps back home and then back tho the besieged system is just nuts. And i guess all would agree that each well minded FC would order the people to logoff at a safespot in said system and to come back rather than spend hours on silly jumps when ur destination is that system anyway
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