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Herring Pimpology Pimpology in Mining Player	Posted - 2007.02.23 02:44:00 - [31] As a person who has not a single t2 bpo, I still think the people who have them should be able to keep them. This game isn't based on a communist principle. The people who worked hard and bought these bpo's off the market should not be punished because of the whines of the many. Not fair you say? Neither is ganking nubs. Or scamming isk by contracts, or remote use of DD's, or hundreds of other things in this game. It's not meant to be a fair game, it's meant to be a competative game. You want t2 bpo's? Work hard, save isk and buy them. Wishing for better mining ships in a system near you.
Herring Pimpology Pimpology in Mining Player	Posted - 2007.02.23 02:44:00 - [32] As a person who has not a single t2 bpo, I still think the people who have them should be able to keep them. This game isn't based on a communist principle. The people who worked hard and bought these bpo's off the market should not be punished because of the whines of the many. Not fair you say? Neither is ganking nubs. Or scamming isk by contracts, or remote use of DD's, or hundreds of other things in this game. It's not meant to be a fair game, it's meant to be a competative game. You want t2 bpo's? Work hard, save isk and buy them. Wishing for better mining ships in a system near you.
Illuminaty Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.23 03:48:00 - [33] Originally by: Herring it's meant to be a competative game. And therein lies the problem. Once you reach X billion isk, it STOPS being a competative game if you can find someone that does not want their BPO. Honestly. When someone decided to cheat in this game, he gave himself T2 BPOs. (no, I'm not discussing the cheating itself, only pointing out the form it took) If that fact alone does not indicate that T2 BPOs need a serious look, I don't know what else does. I mean, seriously, when someone sits down with the basic intention to play EVE like Duke Nukem with Godmode on, and all he does is give himself some T2 BPOs... There just might be something very wrong with T2 BPOs.
Illuminaty Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.23 03:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Herring it's meant to be a competative game. And therein lies the problem. Once you reach X billion isk, it STOPS being a competative game if you can find someone that does not want their BPO. Honestly. When someone decided to cheat in this game, he gave himself T2 BPOs. (no, I'm not discussing the cheating itself, only pointing out the form it took) If that fact alone does not indicate that T2 BPOs need a serious look, I don't know what else does. I mean, seriously, when someone sits down with the basic intention to play EVE like Duke Nukem with Godmode on, and all he does is give himself some T2 BPOs... There just might be something very wrong with T2 BPOs.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.23 03:53:00 - [35] uhhh.... you guys could head over here and post your feedback? just an idea ------------------------ From here on out i'm pretty sure CAOD forums = Jerry Springer
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.23 03:53:00 - [36] uhhh.... you guys could head over here and post your feedback? just an idea ------------------------ From here on out i'm pretty sure CAOD forums = Jerry Springer
Berious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.23 04:02:00 - [37] Edited by: Berious on 23/02/2007 03:59:48 Oh damn just remembered I wasn't supposed to do this
Berious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.23 04:02:00 - [38] Edited by: Berious on 23/02/2007 03:59:48 Oh damn just remembered I wasn't supposed to do this
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.02.23 04:07:00 - [39] An answer to the topic... "yes" I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either. a forum thread you need to read
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.02.23 04:07:00 - [40] An answer to the topic... "yes" I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either. a forum thread you need to read
Annatar The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.23 05:24:00 - [41] Dinfinatly a no go Since release i got a mutch of revamps and nerfs and we all came over them and got a really nice game. Even if the Community isnt that small, nice and overviewable. But thats Natural if a game is good. The t2 BPo conversion into BPC's is in NO WAY Compareable to any other Patch/revamp so far and would for me definatly the reason to stop playing/paying. The result would be only compareable with the Stike of SOE into SWG Community with this Combat revamp patch. But i bet we could Top thier Leaving Numbers if that goes to happen on Tranqulity. -------------------------------------------- Never argue with an Idoit, they will drag you down to their Level and beat you with experience.
Annatar The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.23 05:24:00 - [42] Dinfinatly a no go Since release i got a mutch of revamps and nerfs and we all came over them and got a really nice game. Even if the Community isnt that small, nice and overviewable. But thats Natural if a game is good. The t2 BPo conversion into BPC's is in NO WAY Compareable to any other Patch/revamp so far and would for me definatly the reason to stop playing/paying. The result would be only compareable with the Stike of SOE into SWG Community with this Combat revamp patch. But i bet we could Top thier Leaving Numbers if that goes to happen on Tranqulity. -------------------------------------------- Never argue with an Idoit, they will drag you down to their Level and beat you with experience.
Deepspace Wanderer	Posted - 2007.02.23 06:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Annatar Dinfinatly a no go Since release i got a mutch of revamps and nerfs and we all came over them and got a really nice game. Even if the Community isnt that small, nice and overviewable. But thats Natural if a game is good. The t2 BPo conversion into BPC's is in NO WAY Compareable to any other Patch/revamp so far and would for me definatly the reason to stop playing/paying. The result would be only compareable with the Stike of SOE into SWG Community with this Combat revamp patch. But i bet we could Top thier Leaving Numbers if that goes to happen on Tranqulity. Translation : I have my isk-printing "I-win" button, now STFU and let me watch my wallet grow. not a good thing for Eve
Deepspace Wanderer	Posted - 2007.02.23 06:48:00 - [44] Originally by: Annatar Dinfinatly a no go Since release i got a mutch of revamps and nerfs and we all came over them and got a really nice game. Even if the Community isnt that small, nice and overviewable. But thats Natural if a game is good. The t2 BPo conversion into BPC's is in NO WAY Compareable to any other Patch/revamp so far and would for me definatly the reason to stop playing/paying. The result would be only compareable with the Stike of SOE into SWG Community with this Combat revamp patch. But i bet we could Top thier Leaving Numbers if that goes to happen on Tranqulity. Translation : I have my isk-printing "I-win" button, now STFU and let me watch my wallet grow. not a good thing for Eve
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.23 06:59:00 - [45] Whatever they decide to do with the BPO's invention needs to be fixed first. The chance based system is pure crap and needs to be addressed before anything else is even considered.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.23 06:59:00 - [46] Whatever they decide to do with the BPO's invention needs to be fixed first. The chance based system is pure crap and needs to be addressed before anything else is even considered.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Xelios Whatever they decide to do with the BPO's invention needs to be fixed first. The chance based system is pure crap and needs to be addressed before anything else is even considered. yeah, thats the other alternative.. currently, is not worth doing... it might be worth it if a day's worth of RP can get you afew cores... but yeah... BPO owners: constant production BPC inventors: wait a week to TRY to invent something and might not get a BPC then have to wait another week to produce.. ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:07:00 - [48] Originally by: Xelios Whatever they decide to do with the BPO's invention needs to be fixed first. The chance based system is pure crap and needs to be addressed before anything else is even considered. yeah, thats the other alternative.. currently, is not worth doing... it might be worth it if a day's worth of RP can get you afew cores... but yeah... BPO owners: constant production BPC inventors: wait a week to TRY to invent something and might not get a BPC then have to wait another week to produce.. ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
DorXtar	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Annatar Dinfinatly a no go Since release i got a mutch of revamps and nerfs and we all came over them and got a really nice game. Even if the Community isnt that small, nice and overviewable. But thats Natural if a game is good. The t2 BPo conversion into BPC's is in NO WAY Compareable to any other Patch/revamp so far and would for me definatly the reason to stop playing/paying. The result would be only compareable with the Stike of SOE into SWG Community with this Combat revamp patch. But i bet we could Top thier Leaving Numbers if that goes to happen on Tranqulity. The only people that would leave would be the minority of the people with BPOs. That's not a lot of people. The majority of the people in EvE would benefit, and even new players would benefit entering into a leveled playing field.
DorXtar	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Annatar Dinfinatly a no go Since release i got a mutch of revamps and nerfs and we all came over them and got a really nice game. Even if the Community isnt that small, nice and overviewable. But thats Natural if a game is good. The t2 BPo conversion into BPC's is in NO WAY Compareable to any other Patch/revamp so far and would for me definatly the reason to stop playing/paying. The result would be only compareable with the Stike of SOE into SWG Community with this Combat revamp patch. But i bet we could Top thier Leaving Numbers if that goes to happen on Tranqulity. The only people that would leave would be the minority of the people with BPOs. That's not a lot of people. The majority of the people in EvE would benefit, and even new players would benefit entering into a leveled playing field.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Jennifer Meek Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 22/02/2007 22:58:15 Pretty much everyone that is saying to remove T2 bpos, don't own a t2 bpo, or didn't put a ton of effort to get a T2 bpo. I spent over a year to get my collection of BPO's, what prevented you from doing the same? I didn't get them from the magic lottery. I worked many moons to aquire the ISK to get my BPO's and paid a hefty sum for them. Nothing. It's just jealousy. Nice sig. Also, you're a fool. Lets see. You spent over a year to get your collection. What prevented many of us from doing the same? Do I have to add two and two together for you? Do I really? - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Jennifer Meek Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 22/02/2007 22:58:15 Pretty much everyone that is saying to remove T2 bpos, don't own a t2 bpo, or didn't put a ton of effort to get a T2 bpo. I spent over a year to get my collection of BPO's, what prevented you from doing the same? I didn't get them from the magic lottery. I worked many moons to aquire the ISK to get my BPO's and paid a hefty sum for them. Nothing. It's just jealousy. Nice sig. Also, you're a fool. Lets see. You spent over a year to get your collection. What prevented many of us from doing the same? Do I have to add two and two together for you? Do I really? - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
KHEN Gallente New Horizons	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:53:00 - [53] T2 BPOs should be simply removed from EVE with no compensation for the holders. Don't whine you made enough profits from these and EVE got wicked enough by that (hmm, faction ships with officer mods in pvp, renewed immediately if destroyed ). The license to print isks must stop now. that will be good to limit the inflation. I own 6 T2 ships bpos, 1 T2 heavy drone, 1 T2 mod and a few ammo bpos. I have no problem to see these removed from the game, because I have others sources of income and because Invention system is fun
KHEN Gallente New Horizons	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:53:00 - [54] T2 BPOs should be simply removed from EVE with no compensation for the holders. Don't whine you made enough profits from these and EVE got wicked enough by that (hmm, faction ships with officer mods in pvp, renewed immediately if destroyed ). The license to print isks must stop now. that will be good to limit the inflation. I own 6 T2 ships bpos, 1 T2 heavy drone, 1 T2 mod and a few ammo bpos. I have no problem to see these removed from the game, because I have others sources of income and because Invention system is fun
Bangoura Minmatar Sound of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.23 09:53:00 - [55] If there are to be no more T2 BPO's added to the game then there can be no alternative but to remove the previous ones that were issued. Many of them are absurdly high value items in game anyway, I always felt they never should have been introduced but should have been more frequently seeded as very high run BPC's. I understand that people have spent lots of money on BPO's, but people have spent lots of money on other in game items that were then nerfed or changed, precedents have been set, it wouldn't be the first or last time. There would be no fairness in leaving something in game with people (many of them so ahead of the rest of the playerbase they couldn't be caught anyway) that no one else could ever obtain, either through sheer luck or insanely hard work.
Bangoura Minmatar Sound of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.23 09:53:00 - [56] If there are to be no more T2 BPO's added to the game then there can be no alternative but to remove the previous ones that were issued. Many of them are absurdly high value items in game anyway, I always felt they never should have been introduced but should have been more frequently seeded as very high run BPC's. I understand that people have spent lots of money on BPO's, but people have spent lots of money on other in game items that were then nerfed or changed, precedents have been set, it wouldn't be the first or last time. There would be no fairness in leaving something in game with people (many of them so ahead of the rest of the playerbase they couldn't be caught anyway) that no one else could ever obtain, either through sheer luck or insanely hard work.
Fakespace	Posted - 2007.02.23 10:02:00 - [57] Originally by: Jennifer Meek Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 22/02/2007 22:58:15 Pretty much everyone that is saying to remove T2 bpos, don't own a t2 bpo, or didn't put a ton of effort to get a T2 bpo. I spent over a year to get my collection of BPO's, what prevented you from doing the same? I didn't get them from the magic lottery. I worked many moons to aquire the ISK to get my BPO's and paid a hefty sum for them. Nothing. It's just jealousy. Pretty much everyone that is saying to NOT remove T2 bpos, own a t2 bpo... I have pushed ALOT of time, isk AND skill points into invention, and must continue to do so as long as i want to stay in the game. This i accepted when i started (what i didnt accept was the utter lack of mathematical skill CCP showed when making the system:) Honestly, I dont CARE where you got the BPO's from, the fact is that you just want to keep making isk from work you did a year ago, and then you have the nerve to call people like me jealous? Also, what prevented me from "doing the same", that is - gather isk and buy T2 BPO's, is that the developers wans us to do invention instead of bying T2 BPO's. Also, if you havent taken any of all the hints that has come that this would happen... The ONLY person to blame are yourself
Fakespace	Posted - 2007.02.23 10:02:00 - [58] Originally by: Jennifer Meek Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 22/02/2007 22:58:15 Pretty much everyone that is saying to remove T2 bpos, don't own a t2 bpo, or didn't put a ton of effort to get a T2 bpo. I spent over a year to get my collection of BPO's, what prevented you from doing the same? I didn't get them from the magic lottery. I worked many moons to aquire the ISK to get my BPO's and paid a hefty sum for them. Nothing. It's just jealousy. Pretty much everyone that is saying to NOT remove T2 bpos, own a t2 bpo... I have pushed ALOT of time, isk AND skill points into invention, and must continue to do so as long as i want to stay in the game. This i accepted when i started (what i didnt accept was the utter lack of mathematical skill CCP showed when making the system:) Honestly, I dont CARE where you got the BPO's from, the fact is that you just want to keep making isk from work you did a year ago, and then you have the nerve to call people like me jealous? Also, what prevented me from "doing the same", that is - gather isk and buy T2 BPO's, is that the developers wans us to do invention instead of bying T2 BPO's. Also, if you havent taken any of all the hints that has come that this would happen... The ONLY person to blame are yourself
Neuromandis EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.23 14:17:00 - [59] Edited by: Neuromandis on 23/02/2007 14:15:34 I have read for most of the thread, but not all, so forgive me if someone has already said that. Consider this: George has a Carrier (insert T2 BPO). Devs decide Carriers (BPO's) are unbalanced, and removes them from the game. Tina enters game and plays. She sees George's Carrier and says "Oooh nice, I want one of these too, HOW can I get one?" You can't, they're not seeded in the game any more, not ever again. I am sorry, someone else has it, but you do not have the SLIGHTEST chance in the world of acquiring one unless someone decides to sell it to you. Unlike anything else in the game, you cannot earn it, invent it, develop the skills to make it, winn a tournament that will award it to you, NOTHING. Sorry, you're SOL. You should have started EVE earlier. Point being, I can see how transmuting BPO's to high-run BPC's would seem unfair, but that can be remedied. Leaving in the game something that someone can NEVER work towards obtaining is WRONG. Unfairness-factor would simply be remedied by giving enough timeframe to BPO owners to make back their isk + profit, i.e. a BPC that gives them 6 months worth of production runs at the same ME and PE they have researched (if you want to make the change NOW), OR, notify the playerbase with a CONCRETE date (6 months in the future), and then make them STANDARD bpc's at that date, exactly like they would have obtained through invention. Not a single isk to buy anything. Owning a BPO is an investment, not a right.
Kees Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.23 14:31:00 - [60] Originally by: KHEN T2 BPOs should be simply removed from EVE with no compensation for the holders. Don't whine you made enough profits from these and EVE got wicked enough by that (hmm, faction ships with officer mods in pvp, renewed immediately if destroyed ). The license to print isks must stop now. that will be good to limit the inflation. I own 6 T2 ships bpos, 1 T2 heavy drone, 1 T2 mod and a few ammo bpos. I have no problem to see these removed from the game, because I have others sources of income and because Invention system is fun Trash yours then and make the ultimate gesture. In fact if you trash your multiple 'license to print ISK' BPO's i'll trash my 2 most-definitely not 'License to print ISK' BPO's. I'd also be interested to know how much ISK they have made you before you trash them as the 1 BPO I have that 'could' make me some ISK I got 3 weeks ago, has just come out of research and takes 3 hours to make 1 mod on which I make 2 mill profit. That is 16 mill profit per day provided I have all the components and materials together and can sell in the system I manufacture (which I can't). I can run 2 or 3 lvl 4 missions and make that much ISK so please do not assume ALL BPO's are the cliched and horrendously overused 'License to print ISK' some people make them out to be. ------------------------------ 'The man who used the universe'

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