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DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.25 10:55:00 - [1] OK guys just wanted to see what the players think just so the GMs/Devs can see they have a problem with the way they handle this issue. I had my alts name nerfed today. Normally I would be absolutely (WTF you talking about, BEEP, EEP, BEEP). But in this case I actually had to wipe the tears out of my eyes. The reason for this is... About a year ago that specific ALT had her name nerfed by another GM and the name she was given was actually aproved by him. Now all of a sudden it is offensive to another GM?? The points I personally have noticed are these: 1. There is NO set template for offensive names. 2. Offensive is interpretable by the reader and not the creator. And it seems that the Creator has NO say in a Name Nerf situation. You just Log in one day and there you have it. You been hit by the nerf man!! No mail from that Gm advising WHY it was done. 3. Offensive is also decreed by ONE person only in these situations. If this and point 2 are the case then I believe that ANYONES name in Any game can be declared Offensive. ie. The name Richard Head. Offensive?? or actually a persons name in RL? Who decides? Only one person in this game? 4. If you kill someone and they decide to be petty and claim that your name is offensive to them, is that Right? 5. If one person complains about your name that's it you get nerffed. THIS is wrong!! You should have the right to defend yourself and your game identity as the name nerf WILL affect your gaming. All your firends know you! Your suppliers of intel, mins, whatever know you and could refuse to deal with you. You will have to build up confidences again. So why if a simple name nerfing can affect your game so much do we as Players/payers of the game have NO RIGHTS of defending ourselves. Yes I have Read the EULA guys but no where there does it account of interpretations of names, diffences in languages and context of posting. I now leave the table open for your views. Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!! http://eve-coldfusion.com
maCH'EttE Kentucky Fried Corpse	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:05:00 - [2] Your name is offensive to me... Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned [by maCH]! Sigeh?
Lori Carlyle LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:06:00 - [3] If they nurf your name as being offensive, you should be able to submit a new name to the GM if he approves you get that name. ------------------------------------------
ghosttr Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:09:00 - [4] If it got nerfed submit a petition, and if the name is truly inoffensive ask to have it handled by a senior gm. Looking to join an allaince with 0.0 access where i am allowed to build poses. EVE-Mail me if you have any opportunities.
Wotar	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:10:00 - [5] Why do you feel the need for such a juvenile name?
DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Lori Carlyle If they nurf your name as being offensive, you should be able to submit a new name to the GM if he approves you get that name. Lori that's one of my points. The name that was nerfed yesterday was actually given to me by a Gm in the past as this is the second time this particular Alt has been nerfed Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!! http://eve-coldfusion.com
Sha'Uri Dark Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:13:00 - [7] Well if your alt's name has anything in common with this one's name are you really surprised someone complained and it got nerfed? While I don't care for censorship practicing some couth makes life less stressful. -------------------------------- As a Freelancer...scratch that Originally by: Shar Tegral Stop projecting your out of game beliefs of what society should be upon the rest of us. said it best.
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:14:00 - [8] Originally by: maCH'EttE Your name is offensive to me... You need to get out more. Dunno where you're from, but in the UK the 'Dogs Nuts' is a term used for something that is the best! ie My Raven NI is the dogs nuts. What one person finds offensive, another might simply find rude, and another might find amusing. Eve is a multi-national game. I'm sure there are hundreds of names out there that busy bodies could find offensive if they put their minds to it.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:14:00 - [9] Here is a story that is complete fiction as I am not allowed to talk about real GM actions: There was once a player called kehmor 2. He got banned for having a bio that had been approved by a senior GM. He was banned by another GM who was a fgt. He couldn't play for a month . Good thing the GMs we have in eve are so organised they wouldn't let this happen.
Iva Tenincher	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:14:00 - [10] Some names are downright childish
DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Wotar Why do you feel the need for such a juvenile name? Wotar, I have had this name since I started gaming mate. I used to play Counter Strike 1.4 with an ID of 1301 so you can see how old it is. I was a juvinile when I started gaming :P As I stated your name is personal to you and it stays with you. Your mates know you by that name and so you keep it as the game changes. But to say the name FemaleDogzNutz is offensive is just a Joke. History: 1st name: *****zNutz (Ok I can agree on that one) 2nd name: FemaleDogzNutz (Given to me by GM after 1st nerf and tbh is related to my main) Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!! http://eve-coldfusion.com
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Iva Tenincher Some names are downright childish haha you have cheered up my downtime
DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: maCH'EttE Your name is offensive to me... You need to get out more. Dunno where you're from, but in the UK the 'Dogs Nuts' is a term used for something that is the best! ie My Raven NI is the dogs nuts. What one person finds offensive, another might simply find rude, and another might find amusing. Eve is a multi-national game. I'm sure there are hundreds of names out there that busy bodies could find offensive if they put their minds to it. I am from the UK Shaun. That's my point mate. The rediculous thing is that as ONE person complains about your name you get Fubared and have no say b4 the name is changed. They just nerf you and let the next man decide on apetition which ofc takes up your time and also CCP time when all they needed to do was mail you for a response B4 they fubar you. Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!! http://eve-coldfusion.com
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:22:00 - [14] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/02/2007 11:20:06 Originally by: DogzNutz I now leave the table open for your views. Im fine with the GM's deciding what names are offensive and not. Usually people that pick offensive names do it for the attention they get anyway. Doesnt really bother me if they have to seek attention in other ways. Edit: And its not enough that one person complains about it... the GM's have to agree that it can be found offensive as well. I doubt they would agree that Jim McGregor is a offensive name for example. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:24:00 - [15] Or CCP could give us templated names during character generation like in Second Life? We choose the first name and pick the second name from CCP's list. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Or CCP could give us templated names during character generation like in Second Life? We choose the first name and pick the second name from CCP's list. Or maybe people could use their own judgement. Sometimes I wonder if some people would survive ordinary life if they werent told what to do every day. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/02/2007 11:20:06 Originally by: DogzNutz I now leave the table open for your views. Im fine with the GM's deciding what names are offensive and not. Usually people that pick offensive names do it for the attention they get anyway. Doesnt really bother me if they have to seek attention in other ways. Edit: And its not enough that one person complains about it... the GM's have to agree that it can be found offensive as well. I doubt they would agree that Jim McGregor is a offensive name for example. What if someone from the clan McCloud finds it offensive as your great, great, great grandfather killed his great, great, great mothers sheep 500 years ago? :P No seriously.. Edit: And its not enough that one person complains about it... the GM's have to agree that it can be found offensive as well. I doubt they would agree that Jim McGregor is a offensive name for example. That is NOT the case. The 1st time i was nerfed i was told straight out only one person complained about my name. I had the name *****zNutz for like 8 months b4 it was touched. So the only reason it Even comes up is when a player complains. As for the GMs deciding? I don't think so as the name FemaleDogzNutz was given to me by a GM. Again interpretation and different people. Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!! http://eve-coldfusion.com
Megan Ryder VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Iva Tenincher Some names are downright childish Liar!
Wotar	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:32:00 - [19] Originally by: DogzNutz Originally by: Wotar Why do you feel the need for such a juvenile name? Wotar, I have had this name since I started gaming mate. I used to play Counter Strike 1.4 with an ID of 1301 so you can see how old it is. I was a juvinile when I started gaming :P Point taken, the name certainly doesnt offend me - it takes a lot more to do that. However, the name does refer to canine genitals whatever way you look at it, so you've gotta understand when choosing a name like that, some people without such thick skin are gonna get offended, or at least pretend to be offended just so they can kick up a fuss. I'm afraid you chose to take the risk of your name being nerfed when you selected it...
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:33:00 - [20] Originally by: DogzNutz As for the GMs deciding? I don't think so as the name FemaleDogzNutz was given to me by a GM. Again interpretation and different people. Yes, its probably up to the GM handling the case to decide if he agrees or disagrees that the name is offensive. And opinions here will vary of course. Im still fine with it. Pick a name that noone can find offensive and you'll be fine. And as for the clan McGregor... if there is such a thing, they should be flattered I picked a name that great, shouldnt they? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Jim McGregor Or maybe people could use their own judgement. Sometimes I wonder if some people would survive ordinary life if they werent told what to do every day. IMHO, everybody needs to be told what to do daily. If they don't, nothing will ever get done. The kind of ordinary life where you do not need to be told what to do everyday is to lie down on the bed doing nothing everyday. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Wotar Originally by: DogzNutz Originally by: Wotar Why do you feel the need for such a juvenile name? Wotar, I have had this name since I started gaming mate. I used to play Counter Strike 1.4 with an ID of 1301 so you can see how old it is. I was a juvinile when I started gaming :P Point taken, the name certainly doesnt offend me - it takes a lot more to do that. However, the name does refer to canine genitals whatever way you look at it, so you've gotta understand when choosing a name like that, some people without such thick skin are gonna get offended, or at least pretend to be offended just so they can kick up a fuss. I'm afraid you chose to take the risk of your name being nerfed when you selected it... Actually the reason for the name is cos I am Nutz about Dogz. I used to have 13 Dogz in my house as I love em. And no I didn't sell, give em away as they were like family. All my mates said I was mad to own so many dogs so the name DogzNutz was created. But yes I see your point that SOME person may interpret the word Nutz as genitalia. Or a Monkeys favorite food type. or a metal object used to place on a bolt (which can also lead to the thought that a Bolt is a ***** and a Nut is the vagina and so on and so on and so on. Everyone is different and a Game this large you cannot in a million years know what everyone else if thinking and how they will interpret your name. Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:40:00 - [23] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor Or maybe people could use their own judgement. Sometimes I wonder if some people would survive ordinary life if they werent told what to do every day. IMHO, everybody needs to be told what to do daily. If they don't, nothing will ever get done. The kind of ordinary life where you do not need to be told what to do everyday is to lie down on the bed doing nothing everyday. Not if you love what you do. There is plenty of people in the world who likes their lifes and what they work with, and they are usually highly motivated, skilled people that dont really enjoy someone else telling them what to do all the time. People are just different. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor Or maybe people could use their own judgement. Sometimes I wonder if some people would survive ordinary life if they werent told what to do every day. IMHO, everybody needs to be told what to do daily. If they don't, nothing will ever get done. The kind of ordinary life where you do not need to be told what to do everyday is to lie down on the bed doing nothing everyday. Not if you love what you do. There is plenty of people in the world who likes their lifes and what they work with, and they are usually highly motivated, skilled people that dont really enjoy someone else telling them what to do all the time. People are just different. :) Like I am!! I do not appreciated being told that my Alt name is offensive by a GM :P And I am motivated to argue this point to a GM when he has the time to contact me in game. I may even give him this link so he can see my argument :P Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:49:00 - [25] Originally by: DogzNutz I may even give him this link so he can see my argument :P If he nerfs my name, Im coming for you... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Jim McGregor Not if you love what you do. There is plenty of people in the world who likes their lifes and what they work with, and they are usually highly motivated, skilled people that dont really enjoy someone else telling them what to do all the time. People are just different. :) TBH, I think the worse are the highly motivated people. They tend to keep doing something again and again until they are acceptable to their own standards. Wasting their organisations' time and their own time. Sometimes, you really need to order them to have the task done and go to next. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor Not if you love what you do. There is plenty of people in the world who likes their lifes and what they work with, and they are usually highly motivated, skilled people that dont really enjoy someone else telling them what to do all the time. People are just different. :) TBH, I think the worse are the highly motivated people. They tend to keep doing something again and again until they are acceptable to their own standards. Wasting their organisations' time and their own time. Sometimes, you really need to order them to have the task done and go to next. You have a camera in my office or something? Guilty as charged. Sometimes. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Jim McGregor You have a camera in my office or something? Guilty as charged. Sometimes. :) Big sister is watching joOOOooo0000o! --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.25 12:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor You have a camera in my office or something? Guilty as charged. Sometimes. :) Big sister is watching joOOOooo0000o! Perve!! Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!!
DOGNOSH Minmatar Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.25 12:14:00 - [30] brother -------------------------
roqxi	Posted - 2007.02.25 12:51:00 - [31] Edited by: roqxi on 25/02/2007 12:48:05 Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: maCH'EttE Your name is offensive to me... You need to get out more. Dunno where you're from, but in the UK the 'Dogs Nuts' is a term used for something that is the best! ie My Raven NI is the dogs nuts. What one person finds offensive, another might simply find rude, and another might find amusing. Eve is a multi-national game. I'm sure there are hundreds of names out there that busy bodies could find offensive if they put their minds to it. actually the phrase is 'the dogs *******s' so your name is rather polite :) and yes, as a brit i got what your name meant and it's not offensive to me (and i dare say any other brit) at all.
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.02.25 19:24:00 - [32] Pick a name as if you are older than 12 and this won't be a problem.
DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:27:00 - [33] The Path to rightchiousness is long and arduos but in the end the reward is always sooooooo sweet. -------------- Hi, I apologize for the mistake. Your name is now "FemaleDogzNutz" yet again. Regards, GM Fire EVE Online Customer Support Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!!
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:48:00 - [34] Yay, you got your puerile name back. Now you need to remove the GM communication or snippysnippy go the nutz...
DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:59:00 - [35] If GM Fire takes offense to me posting his message confirming the mistake then that is a sad state of affairs if we have to go through our gaming lives making sure we don't offend people for passing on a message which they have given freely. There is nothing offensive in the post it's just to notify people that yes GMs are human and make mistakes (Not that it was Fire originally) and that Yes you can actually get a result from them when you bring it up. If anything the GMs should take that as a compliment that shows they are approachable by gamers and do correct things and try to help us. If it is an Extreme sin then I will let them Snip it out of the forum as tbh it wont offend me. If anything it will make the above statement i made a complete load of crap. Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!!
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:02:00 - [36] It doesn't have to be offensive. It's simply against the forum rules.
DogzNutz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:14:00 - [37] Edited by: DogzNutz on 26/02/2007 02:12:16 Knew there was more than one reason I hate forums. 1. Rules :P 2. Smacktards 3. Uselss info 4. No one ever reads what you type, in the manner you actually mean it as there is no emotion in typing. ie. U can talk in TS/vent and tell some1 to F off after they flame u and he will laugh at you. Do it here and it's a cardinal sin. 5. You post a GM message resolving the main issue of this post and it's a cardinal sin. You put a Container in Space with the same message and it sits there till end of time. I'm not saying this is right but I am saying that contexts should be considered in a game that is played worldwide. PS. Due to the my nature of Hating Forums and my point has been made here I refuse to continue posting here anymore. But please fell free to keep commenting on this issue as I have past the link to GM Fire so he can also review it and decide if their process of name nerfing can/should be refined to better incorporate players from all over the world's interpretations, customs and slang interpretations. Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!!
Hauler McTote	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:16:00 - [38] Sooooo, your saying the customer service sucks? That the EULA moderation seems completely random and unevenly applied? Perish the thought...

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