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Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.25 21:41:00 - [31] Congrats on making a brave descision. Whether it turns out to be for the best or not you announced it in more style than everything else in CAOD put together. - - - - - - - - - - Give this a read.
Wrayth Osu Caldari Intergalactic House of Pi Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.25 21:55:00 - [32] Originally by: munchy Originally by: Wrayth Osu Originally by: munchy Edited by: munchy on 25/02/2007 21:02:31 Originally by: Wrayth Osu Originally by: munchy erm, in what way are redswarm corrupt? any proof? or are these more random accusations? evidence before acusations 4tw English comprehension 4tw or in your case... lack of comprehension 4tl you called redswarm corrupt, and i ask why. if you cant answer the question then dont call them corrupt. EDIT - could you elaborate abit on the bpo thing please, this is something ive missed and i'd like to hear more. well Munchy, you seem to have problems comprehending what you are reading. You haven't indicated that English isn't your first language (if it isn't, just say so and well let it slide), but since you haven't, let me spell it out for you. the line says "... corruption which follows the Swarm...." the key word there is "follows". Thus, we are not accusing the Swarm themselves of being "corrupt", it's just our way of saying they are ruining the regions they are rampaging through. So off on your way to some other thread mr goonie apologist you are infact right and i apologise, english is my first language (i guess i should have payed abit more attention at school) i missenterpreted what you said, though i would like to know in what ways they are 'ruining the regions' that they control/invade. also, you should try being abit more civil, im not actually a massive fan of goonswarm myself, im more of a hater of people who throw around accusations without backing them up. now maybe you will stop the name calling and use these forums for their intended purpose, discussion. more civil? I only responded in kind. I am the OP. You responded with a post that is usually viewed in these parts as an attempt to derail a thread. And it was based on a mis-comprehension of my post. I then responded with a post that mocked you attempt to mock me (the whole 4tw bit). I was also trying to give you a chance to go back and re-read my post so that you could see your error. Instead you failed to do so and instead continued to press your mis-conception. (and make some refernce to something about a bpo which I have never mentioned) At this point I was forced to spell out your error and I chose to do so using a language convention called "sarcsim", which is commonly used for "humor" not "lack of civility". Yes, I stooped to name calling. sorry 'bout that.. couldn't resist at that point. Have a nice day. ____________________________________________________________________ Wrayth - "These are not the carebears you are looking for." Pirate - "These are not the carebears we are looking for."
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.25 21:56:00 - [33] Enjoyed both threads. Welcome to the Allied forces. Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Wrayth Osu Caldari Intergalactic House of Pi Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.25 21:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Zhaine Congrats on making a brave descision. Whether it turns out to be for the best or not you announced it in more style than everything else in CAOD put together. Thanks, I appreciate that. We had fun writing it. ____________________________________________________________________ Wrayth - "These are not the carebears you are looking for." Pirate - "These are not the carebears we are looking for."
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.25 21:59:00 - [35] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Djerin Originally by: The Assyrian Originally by: Djerin Originally by: Jeremy Night Originally by: munchy erm, in what way are redswarm corrupt? any proof? or are these more random accusations? evidence before acusations 4tw Crashing nodes to take systems ins't cheating / corruptness? Fielding huge fleets is not cheating. If you can prove anything beyond that feel free to do so ... with your main plz. Most people consider Eve client modifications cheating. Tbh this doesn't look like client modification. It rather looks like replacemant of pictures. I don't know if the client verifies pictures in cache. I highly doubt so since it would be horrible database load. This is not cheating exactly. Althoug i admit it could be used to gain sort of advantage in some situations. its classed as gaining an unfair advange and clinet modifycations = breach of eula = bannabel Except for the part where you know, the Devs said it was ok? Even if we pretend the devs didnt ok it, how exactly is having a different portrait gonna affect the game in anyway?
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:01:00 - [36] Edited by: Lilan Kahn on 25/02/2007 21:58:57 Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Djerin Originally by: The Assyrian Originally by: Djerin Originally by: Jeremy Night Originally by: munchy erm, in what way are redswarm corrupt? any proof? or are these more random accusations? evidence before acusations 4tw Crashing nodes to take systems ins't cheating / corruptness? Fielding huge fleets is not cheating. If you can prove anything beyond that feel free to do so ... with your main plz. Most people consider Eve client modifications cheating. Tbh this doesn't look like client modification. It rather looks like replacemant of pictures. I don't know if the client verifies pictures in cache. I highly doubt so since it would be horrible database load. This is not cheating exactly. Althoug i admit it could be used to gain sort of advantage in some situations. its classed as gaining an unfair advange and clinet modifycations = breach of eula = bannabel Except for the part where you know, the Devs said it was ok? Even if we pretend the devs didnt ok it, how exactly is having a different portrait gonna affect the game in anyway? Funny i know some who used a portrait cach like that one goons had and got a 14 day ban uhu" "edit" the last dev post i read on the subject said no no so please do go find me the one saying its okay Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
munchy Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Wrayth Osu Originally by: munchy Originally by: Wrayth Osu Originally by: munchy Edited by: munchy on 25/02/2007 21:02:31 Originally by: Wrayth Osu Originally by: munchy erm, in what way are redswarm corrupt? any proof? or are these more random accusations? evidence before acusations 4tw English comprehension 4tw or in your case... lack of comprehension 4tl you called redswarm corrupt, and i ask why. if you cant answer the question then dont call them corrupt. EDIT - could you elaborate abit on the bpo thing please, this is something ive missed and i'd like to hear more. well Munchy, you seem to have problems comprehending what you are reading. You haven't indicated that English isn't your first language (if it isn't, just say so and well let it slide), but since you haven't, let me spell it out for you. the line says "... corruption which follows the Swarm...." the key word there is "follows". Thus, we are not accusing the Swarm themselves of being "corrupt", it's just our way of saying they are ruining the regions they are rampaging through. So off on your way to some other thread mr goonie apologist you are infact right and i apologise, english is my first language (i guess i should have payed abit more attention at school) i missenterpreted what you said, though i would like to know in what ways they are 'ruining the regions' that they control/invade. also, you should try being abit more civil, im not actually a massive fan of goonswarm myself, im more of a hater of people who throw around accusations without backing them up. now maybe you will stop the name calling and use these forums for their intended purpose, discussion. more civil? I only responded in kind. I am the OP. You responded with a post that is usually viewed in these parts as an attempt to derail a thread. And it was based on a mis-comprehension of my post. I then responded with a post that mocked you attempt to mock me (the whole 4tw bit). I was also trying to give you a chance to go back and re-read my post so that you could see your error. Instead you failed to do so and instead continued to press your mis-conception. (and make some refernce to something about a bpo which I have never mentioned) At this point I was forced to spell out your error and I chose to do so using a language convention called "sarcsim", which is commonly used for "humor" not "lack of civility". Yes, I stooped to name calling. sorry 'bout that.. couldn't resist at that point. Have a nice day. you dont seem to be understanding anything that i have said, so i will explain it to you. i did not attempt to derail this thread or mock you, i simply asked for evidence of what i BELIEVED you accused redswarm of, i dont believe accusations should be made without evidence to back them up. later you corrected me and i APOLOGISED for misreading your post. the "bpo thing" was posted by another member, i simply thought that considering his post with right above mine that people would read that first, and understand i was reffering to that post. now, you say i FAILED to re-read and understand your post. im not sure why you are saying this as the second you pointed it out i apologised. i amditted you were right. sarcasm is almost impossible to determine in text which is why i personally never use it. im gonna ignore the patronising part of you post too, because we will simply never get anywhere if i dont. so, in what way are redswarm ruining the regions they're invading? ---
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:05:00 - [38] hope ur Distant Star supernovas real soon then
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:06:00 - [39] Originally by: Lilan Kahn "edit" the last dev post i read on the subject said no no so please do go find me the one saying its okay OHGOD freely admitted to using the portrait pack, their members were not banned for using portrait pack. The same utility as the pack (show standings) was implemented in the next major pack. Trying to decry them for something that happened like a year ago and they didn't get in trouble for when investigated is pretty dumb.
Inisi Ankonin	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:07:00 - [40] You guys are going to get thumped so hard your collective heads will be spinning all the way back to empire.
Kalroth The Initiative	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Djerin Originally by: The Assyrian Originally by: Djerin Originally by: Jeremy Night Originally by: munchy erm, in what way are redswarm corrupt? any proof? or are these more random accusations? evidence before acusations 4tw Crashing nodes to take systems ins't cheating / corruptness? Fielding huge fleets is not cheating. If you can prove anything beyond that feel free to do so ... with your main plz. Most people consider Eve client modifications cheating. Tbh this doesn't look like client modification. It rather looks like replacemant of pictures. I don't know if the client verifies pictures in cache. I highly doubt so since it would be horrible database load. This is not cheating exactly. Althoug i admit it could be used to gain sort of advantage in some situations. its classed as gaining an unfair advange and clinet modifycations = breach of eula = bannabel Except for the part where you know, the Devs said it was ok? Even if we pretend the devs didnt ok it, how exactly is having a different portrait gonna affect the game in anyway? As munchy said - please back that statement up with a link to a dev post saying it's okay to breach the EULA and do client-side modifications. Instead of banning goons (this was an alliance-wide modification) they added the small color dots in our chat - guess $ > ethics in Iceland. <sig> 0x4B656972657473752C20746865 0x0D0A 0x57616E7420746F206A6F696E20436F7265546563683F 0x4D657373616765204B616C726F7468206E6F7721 </sig>
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Kalroth As munchy said - please back that statement up with a link to a dev post saying it's okay to breach the EULA and do client-side modifications. Instead of banning goons (this was an alliance-wide modification) they added the small color dots in our chat - guess $ > ethics in Iceland. They aren't really gaining an advantage, just they don't have to click on everyone's name and waste time. It was obviously a necessary thing because it was added in just like you said. Sticking in an iron clad manner to the rules just because they're the rules isn't ethical it's dumb and lacks reasoning to back up punishments/whatever.
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Kalroth As munchy said - please back that statement up with a link to a dev post saying it's okay to breach the EULA and do client-side modifications. Instead of banning goons (this was an alliance-wide modification) they added the small color dots in our chat - guess $ > ethics in Iceland. They aren't really gaining an advantage, just they don't have to click on everyone's name and waste time. It was obviously a necessary thing because it was added in just like you said. Sticking in an iron clad manner to the rules just because they're the rules isn't ethical it's dumb and lacks reasoning to back up punishments/whatever.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:12:00 - [44] Goons never break the EULA, ever, nosiree! EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:12:00 - [45] Goons never break the EULA, ever, nosiree! EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:15:00 - [46] Nice hearsay evidence from a non-EVE website about an incident from 8 months ago DS, that was pretty helpful.
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:15:00 - [47] Nice hearsay evidence from a non-EVE website about an incident from 8 months ago DS, that was pretty helpful.
Laura Baretta Minmatar Caelestis Caedes	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:18:00 - [48] Edited by: Laura Baretta on 25/02/2007 22:14:57 Good job to the OP, and good luck. and to the haters: I can't stand people playing Massive multiplayer online roleplaying games saying that they don't like roleplaying. If someone chooses to stay in character on the forum everybody should just respect that, and suck down any retarded comments. Think first, then type... a lost art i guess. Same goes for all the hating going on. If thats not roleplaying then alot of people have some serious trouble irl if they need to take this game that serious. Basically, even if you dont like roleplaying, you are still roleplaying. You try to be some uber pvper, you want respect, you want to be feared? You're a roleplayer. You play Eve, you're a roleplayer because you try to find your role and place in EvE. Now please do us all a favor, stop posting on this forum and play the damn game.
Shmachura School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:18:00 - [49] Originally by: Dark Shikari Goons never break the EULA, ever, nosiree! You should ask Evolution a few things about their recruitment process in that case. If account sharing was a serious breach 25% of Eve's playerbase wouldn't be around.
Laura Baretta Minmatar Caelestis Caedes	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:18:00 - [50] Edited by: Laura Baretta on 25/02/2007 22:14:57 Good job to the OP, and good luck. and to the haters: I can't stand people playing Massive multiplayer online roleplaying games saying that they don't like roleplaying. If someone chooses to stay in character on the forum everybody should just respect that, and suck down any retarded comments. Think first, then type... a lost art i guess. Same goes for all the hating going on. If thats not roleplaying then alot of people have some serious trouble irl if they need to take this game that serious. Basically, even if you dont like roleplaying, you are still roleplaying. You try to be some uber pvper, you want respect, you want to be feared? You're a roleplayer. You play Eve, you're a roleplayer because you try to find your role and place in EvE. Now please do us all a favor, stop posting on this forum and play the damn game.
Shmachura School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Dark Shikari Goons never break the EULA, ever, nosiree! You should ask Evolution a few things about their recruitment process in that case. If account sharing was a serious breach 25% of Eve's playerbase wouldn't be around.
Nathaniel Hull Caldari Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:21:00 - [52] I gotta say you guys have brass ones...lets hope no one has a hammer and anvil big enough for em...... You guys seem to have more fight and courage any LV itself lol ...and especially more than Fix lol.
Djerin Obsidian Exploration Services	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:22:00 - [53] Originally by: Kalroth As munchy said - please back that statement up with a link to a dev post saying it's okay to breach the EULA and do client-side modifications. As is said this is NOT a client modification. The client does to not verify the portraits. The reason for this is: checking all portraits would mean extreme database load whenever anyone jumps. Or the other way around it would take like half an hour to log in. Noone wants that so content of cache folder is not verified. This means you can remove any portrait from your cache folder to reduce loading time in heavily crowded systems. But it also means you can replace them with whatever you want. You just gotta make sure the client can render them. And if the portraits where meant to be verified on jump, what if a hostile fleet decides to change their portraits before attacking you? This would cause your client to download like several hundreds of portraits in worst case. So what's worse? Lagging out for CCP earning bucks on this or just leave it the way it is? Originally by: Cipher7 Its like if the Imperial Star Destroyers flew past the X-Wing fighters and started flying circles around them, it would turn Star Wars into a slapstick comedy a-la Benny Hill instead

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:28:00 - [54] Please cease with the accusations about who and how people cheat, it's very off-topic and trolling. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:28:00 - [55] snip - off-topic discussion. -Ivan K Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Ace101 Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:43:00 - [56] i herd you asked us for free passage when we nailed your freighter? surely this goes against the OP ..... discuss
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:52:00 - [57] Was it you guys we ran into last night ? you = escorting the Providance ? we = the people you kinda bumped into ? I could be mistaken here, was a long day, if it was you guys you kinda had most of our sympathy's, but yea we couldnt pass it up Quote: Whats becoming so obvious these days, is, in this game it's not what you know, it's who you know, how sad
Trind2222 Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:56:00 - [58] good luck to dsa hope you kill many goons :D
Alurexar Freelance Assassins Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:58:00 - [59] Hail to the re-born Dark Star
BlackHorizon Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.25 23:04:00 - [60] Yay, more freighters to kill.

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