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hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:09:00 - [31] CCP wants to kill 0.0 PVP eventually they will be forced to act in the meantime enjoy the fun
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:29:00 - [32] You can whine with your main, dear memeber of sparta alliance. If you think there was exploit, petition it. Btw, capital ships can cyno out of bubbles. -------- .....
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:52:00 - [33] ABout time to get an overhaul of the capitals as well The cap issue should be no problem for BoB as they'd have dedicated cap transfer ships ready no doubt... That's one of the things you should be able to do while having those big donoughts flying around. For the other parts I think bugs, lag and lack of knowledge explains it... If you petition it, do you expect CCP to remove the Titan and send you a killmail "how-it-would-look"?
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:59:00 - [34] I disagree with the op, therefore I am a BoB alt or possibly a dev. Thank you!
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:09:00 - [35] riiiiiiight i would like to post something constructive about this whole bob thing but ill stick with a huge frown and wait till ccp fixes this game Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
diabolic clone Amarr Paxton Industries	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:11:00 - [36] What is the problem he got his cap back too fast? He might of fitted multiple cap boosters avatar does have 5 mid slots
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:18:00 - [37] Originally by: diabolic clone What is the problem he got his cap back too fast? he probably doesnt even know that BOB have 2 avatars :)
DunNa	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Kehmor I am a BoB alt or possibly a dev You mean theres a difference? I am stunned by this revelation.
JabJabVVV Total Mayhem.	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:32:00 - [39] Quote: WHAT none of the dictors can lauch bubbles, the lauchers won't fire. We try and try and we get one down. perfectly covering the titan. So these dictor bubbles that perfectly cover the titan appear by magic I'm assuming? (obviously as your dictors have been omgwtfhaxspoited and can't launch probes, obviously there was more than just lag involved). Quote: It drops cyno and leaves. WAIT a miniute how did it cyno out 1 minuate into being bubbled. This is not possible. But oh well, thats nothing unormal to eve. Are you sure it cynoed out? Seems much more likely to me that it just warped out and was entering warp before you bubbled it hence your bubble didn't catch it (a known bug). Quote: Well we thought thats it, 15 seconds latter exactly ( i timed it off fraps) the same titan cynoed bakc in. How the hell did a titan cyno out, recharge full cap and get back. How i ask you, not only that but its cyno disapeared after it arived. If it where a carrier i would say it docked to get full cap but titans cn't dock so how did he regen that much cap so fast? Being as he most probably warped out I'm guessing he simply warped back in, you don't need 70% cap for that and he quite probably didn't have it. Quote: Now for there finally, the grand Kaboom. Were camping a station, and a inty warps in. Cyno opens 2 seconds latter doomsday comes funeling through, even the inties didn;t have time to warp out. How is this possible, the titan pilot had to target the cyno (minmum time for this is about 15 seconds, then fire it to funnel it throught the cyno), Any capital pilot knows locking small stuff is hard, but his titan can lock a cyno instantly and insta Dooms day. Another totaly impossible feet in the game mechanics. While I can't claim to have ever used a titan I have got a cap ship and I'm guessing that the DD works just like normal cynoing (ie you right click the cyno generating char then click the appropriate option, in this case presumably the 'omgwtfpwnage' one). How the hell would the titan lock the cyno from x many AU away in any case? overall mark: 2/10 If you can provide evidence of cheating (eg fraps footage) then perhaps your post would be a little more worthwhile, as it is you just sound somewhat bitter and lacking in knowledge of game mechanics. ----------- When I was a n00b, I spake as a n00b, I understood as a n00b, I thought as a n00b: but when I became pr0, I put away n00bish things.
La Pounania Minmatar Majestic Knights	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:40:00 - [40] hey its bob, they cheat, nothing new here ______________________________________________________
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:42:00 - [41] Originally by: CrimsonSky Ugh. Don't speak of things you know nothing about. Damn, four postings ignored and I was beginning to hope people wouldn't feed any trolls and then you ruin it. Collect evidence, petition, but yeah I'd say a few of the effects you saw can be explained by support. After Energy Transfer there's also Sensor Linking, which may (or may not - don't have a Titan to test) allow a Titan faster locking time. Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in
Arte Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.02.26 13:24:00 - [42] Edited by: Arte on 26/02/2007 13:22:11 Just some questions, forgive my ignorance. It will be a loooong time before I fly a Titan and so as such I don't know how they work precisely...I sort of have ideas but wouldn't mind clarity. 1. Immunity to EW. What exactly does that apply to from the following? Jamming, dampning, scrambling (bubble), scrambling (scramblers/disruptors), webbing, cyno jumping. Reasons for this question is it sounds like the Titan cyno'd out and wouldn't matter if it was locked scrambled or tied down with leather bondage kit including a gimp gag, there was nothing to stop it leaving by cyno which is what you're saying happened. You didn't say that your gang destroyed the cyno ship after he first arrived as you all left quickly to avoid the impending DD, so maybe that was how it came back in after being remote recharged - using the same cyno. I'm assuming that the DD would destroy it's own cyno ship though but anything could have happened? Or maybe you did destroy it but after it came back and that's how it got used for the titan's return the second time and you didn't know. I would imagine there'd be alot of confusion, easy to miss the cyno ship the first time round, and only to realise it when the titan returned and someone says "oh ffs - we forgot..." and then did the deed. 2. Remote DD operation When using a cyno bubble to remote operate their DD, do they have to lock it on the star map there by needing to lock fast, or right click the pilot who set it and remote launch it through them? Would the cyno ship then be immune to the DD or would it get wiped out as well? Always assumed it was the latter in both regards which would make more sense, could someone clarify that. If it is the latter then you (sigela) seem to just not know the game mechanics despite insisting 4 actions carried out where without explanation and therefore cheating and impossible. Rather that Bob didn't win but don't assume that because you can't think of a way to do it, it must be a Devsploit by BOB and Co.
Turin Shroud Gallente Fermentation Process	Posted - 2007.02.26 13:38:00 - [43] im glad you know how titans work! 0 of your stuff is true for a start a titan doesnt have to lock a cyno it just has to click on its name and activate dd and with officer cap rechargers titans have extreme regen, but so would i if i spent 8bil per 36% cap recharger And judging by Bob killboard he had officer smartbombs so just blew up your bubble
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.26 14:54:00 - [44] As to why the cyno disappeared, is it possible the ship making it was vaporized when the DD lit him up?
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:06:00 - [45] I was there. At least for the insta DD occurrence. For the record: 1)There was ONLY ONE TITAN in system. No other capitals anywhere near the area. 2)No capitals of any sort jumped before or after the DD occurred. 3)Titan was safespotted. Thus he had to lock onto the cyno to deploy the DD. Since he was safe spotted, it should have taken him more than 3 sec for the DD to happen through the cyno. The events happened like this..... Someone started to say "cyno" on TS. Before he/she finished trying to say it, the DD went boom. All reports say the time between the cyno field appearing and the DD going off was less than 3 seconds. If it is an exploit or hack, time will be the judgement. If this is a bug, CCP PLEASE FIX THIS!!!!! This puts non-titan pilots at a serious disadvantage. Titans have been in-game for how long? And this "bug" still exists? Can a DEV or GM please enlighten us as to the cause of this happening? Or at least say that you are focusing on fixing it! -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:12:00 - [46] How many people were in the node at the time? It is seriously starting to sound like lag... almost sounds like the cyno guy popped it open, soon as he did the Titan started locking it- possibly someone had remote sensor boosters on the titan to help? The Titan finished the lock and bewm. In the mean time, the lag of having a couple dozen ships around made the cyno take time to load up on your screen. And once it did, poof. A possibility? shrugs I unno, never even SEEN a titan or a DD< much less used one.
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:12:00 - [47] One other question: Has anyone tested the time it takes for a titan to lock onto a cyno field? Either on the test server or Tranq. If so, please enlighten us as to the minimum time it takes. Thanks. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Turin Shroud Gallente Fermentation Process	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:13:00 - [48] The doomsday EFFECT goes off instantly however the damage isnt dealt till the end of the DD cycle, so it instantly appears at the cyno but you have to wait 15 seconds to recieve damage. You obviously don't understand how dd's work so i suggest you study up before screaming exploit! bug! deV!
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:14:00 - [49] Originally by: Kittamaru How many people were in the node at the time? It is seriously starting to sound like lag... almost sounds like the cyno guy popped it open, soon as he did the Titan started locking it- possibly someone had remote sensor boosters on the titan to help? The Titan finished the lock and bewm. In the mean time, the lag of having a couple dozen ships around made the cyno take time to load up on your screen. And once it did, poof. A possibility? shrugs I unno, never even SEEN a titan or a DD< much less used one. I believe there were only about 30 pilots in system when the DD went off. In the grid where the DD went off, there were about 7-10 ships. That's it. If that few of ships cause 15 sec of lag unexpectedly, we have a problem. Again, the titan WAS in system. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Turin Shroud Gallente Fermentation Process	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:15:00 - [50] YOU DONT NEED TO LOCK THE CYNO SHIP TO ACTIVATE THE DD. You right click the name in gang chat like you would a cyno to jump to and you click to activate the doomsday. The effect then goes off at the cyno and 15 seconds later the damage is dealt
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Turin Shroud The doomsday EFFECT goes off instantly however the damage isnt dealt till the end of the DD cycle, so it instantly appears at the cyno but you have to wait 15 seconds to recieve damage. You obviously don't understand how dd's work so i suggest you study up before screaming exploit! bug! deV! Please further enlighten us. Questions: 1)The DD effect goes off. Damage dealt then, or after 15 sec? 2)I have pics of the DD effect, but no damage dealt when the DD starts. 3)If I have another question, I will not hesitate to ask for answers. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Turin Shroud YOU DONT NEED TO LOCK THE CYNO SHIP TO ACTIVATE THE DD. You right click the name in gang chat like you would a cyno to jump to and you click to activate the doomsday. The effect then goes off at the cyno and 15 seconds later the damage is dealt Well, everyone who was at the DD site, said it was less than 3 sec from the time the cyno appeared to ships going BOOM. Thus, there is a problem. It wasn't 15 sec like it should be. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Turin Shroud Gallente Fermentation Process	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:21:00 - [53] Originally by: Isaac Orion Originally by: Turin Shroud YOU DONT NEED TO LOCK THE CYNO SHIP TO ACTIVATE THE DD. You right click the name in gang chat like you would a cyno to jump to and you click to activate the doomsday. The effect then goes off at the cyno and 15 seconds later the damage is dealt Well, everyone who was at the DD site, said it was less than 3 sec from the time the cyno appeared to ships going BOOM. Thus, there is a problem. It wasn't 15 sec like it should be. My guess would be they were too busy going "wtf is that" "whats that up there" for the first 12 seconds ITS A DOOMSDAY Guys warp out! and then 3 seconds later your all dead Go ask to test it on SiSi i am sure you will see nothing is bugged your guys were probably just not on the ball/paying attention
Sweet candy	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:26:00 - [54] Someone spawn me some bpo's...
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Turin Shroud My guess would be they were too busy going "wtf is that" "whats that up there" for the first 12 seconds ITS A DOOMSDAY Guys warp out! and then 3 seconds later your all dead Go ask to test it on SiSi i am sure you will see nothing is bugged your guys were probably just not on the ball/paying attention Nope. We aren't stupid. With a Titan in system, we knew the instant we saw a cyno, we had to warp out. Well, that instant came and went and less than 3 sec after on everyone's screen, ships went BOOM. Like I said, we aren't dumb. We knew what we were up against. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:35:00 - [56] As a side note, I believe the original thread post mentioned a previous DD activation earlier in the day. It happened in the same system, but the titan was on the grid when he activated the DD. Nothing out of ordinary there. We only lost 1 BS and 1 frig in that DD. The problem occurred with the DD through the cyno, where we lost multiple ships. Coincidence? -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
EMTsNightmare Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:37:00 - [57] doesn't a doomsday device have a cool down of an hour or so? Regardless of all other acts he talks about, if in fact it was the same titan (pilot could have swapped titans?) then it seems like the time line makes the DD's firing much quicker than an hour apart.
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:39:00 - [58] Edited by: Isaac Orion on 26/02/2007 15:39:57 Originally by: EMTsNightmare doesn't a doomsday device have a cool down of an hour or so? Regardless of all other acts he talks about, if in fact it was the same titan (pilot could have swapped titans?) then it seems like the time line makes the DD's firing much quicker than an hour apart. No, the second DD activation occurred over an hour later than the first. The DD had plenty of time to cool down. edit: If you look at the BoB killboard, the killmails show the same titan pilot, same titan ship, same system, over an hour apart between DD activations. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Greenwing SuX ltd. Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:45:00 - [59] Originally by: Isaac Orion Originally by: Turin Shroud YOU DONT NEED TO LOCK THE CYNO SHIP TO ACTIVATE THE DD. You right click the name in gang chat like you would a cyno to jump to and you click to activate the doomsday. The effect then goes off at the cyno and 15 seconds later the damage is dealt Well, everyone who was at the DD site, said it was less than 3 sec from the time the cyno appeared to ships going BOOM. Thus, there is a problem. It wasn't 15 sec like it should be. Maybe just a lag spike ? If the cyno activation command was send and received by the server but only 10secs later it was send to all players you would only have a few secs to warp out. But the only way to really know if something wrong happened is to petition it and ask the devs if they can find anything.
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Greenwing Maybe just a lag spike ? If the cyno activation command was send and received by the server but only 10secs later it was send to all players you would only have a few secs to warp out. But the only way to really know if something wrong happened is to petition it and ask the devs if they can find anything. Like I said, that could be the case, but that is a serious lag time for such few players in system and on the grid. We are in the process of petitioning it and will be awaiting to see what the DEVs/GMs conclude. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread

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