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Sigela Mantua	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:17:00 - [1] Okay, i have up till now never belived, all this rubbish but now i Do. Let me explain there i am camping a station and BOB drop a titan ontop of us. Fair play we see the activation warp out dodging the dooms day. We rush back, and try to bubble the titan with the dictors. WHAT none of the dictors can lauch bubbles, the lauchers won't fire. We try and try and we get one down. perfectly covering the titan. It drops cyno and leaves. WAIT a miniute how did it cyno out 1 minuate into being bubbled. This is not possible. But oh well, thats nothing unormal to eve. Well we thought thats it, 15 seconds latter exactly ( i timed it off fraps) the same titan cynoed bakc in. How the hell did a titan cyno out, recharge full cap and get back. How i ask you, not only that but its cyno disapeared after it arived. If it where a carrier i would say it docked to get full cap but titans cn't dock so how did he regen that much cap so fast? Now for there finally, the grand Kaboom. Were camping a station, and a inty warps in. Cyno opens 2 seconds latter doomsday comes funeling through, even the inties didn;t have time to warp out. How is this possible, the titan pilot had to target the cyno (minmum time for this is about 15 seconds, then fire it to funnel it throught the cyno), Any capital pilot knows locking small stuff is hard, but his titan can lock a cyno instantly and insta Dooms day. Another totaly impossible feet in the game mechanics. Unless of course your a BOB titan pilot
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:23:00 - [2] I suppose there was no lag or possible client desync? The titan leaving sounds very much like it had already warped/jumped buty didn't show as leaving until the bubble was down. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Nelcordran	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:23:00 - [3] i dont know much about titans but this sounds realy weird to me
Redglare's Demise Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:24:00 - [4] Spiral staircases in medieval castles are running clockwise. This is because all knights used to be right-handed. When the intruding army would climb the stairs they would not be able to use their right hand which was holding the sword because of the difficulties of climbing the stairs. Left-handed knights would have had no troubles, except left-handed people could never become knights because it was assumed that they were descendants of the devil.
Thrash Ergent Minmatar Tetranex Consolidated	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:24:00 - [5] There is only one course of action here. Petition. Gather all the evidence you can - screeners, killmails, chatlogs, combatlogs, evemails, etc. Host links to it on another website if you're feeling paranoid. Petition, but petition with evidence. Just because CCP CAN replay logs etc does not mean they will unless confronted with evidence that something has gone horribly wrong. Best of luck.
Toros Revoke STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:24:00 - [6] Edited by: Toros Revoke on 26/02/2007 04:21:08 Perhaps it was multiple titans operating in tandem, or perhaps not. You get used to it
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:33:00 - [7] posted with an alt, how bold of you!
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Redglare's Demise Spiral staircases in medieval castles are running clockwise. This is because all knights used to be right-handed. When the intruding army would climb the stairs they would not be able to use their right hand which was holding the sword because of the difficulties of climbing the stairs. Left-handed knights would have had no troubles, except left-handed people could never become knights because it was assumed that they were descendants of the devil. how are you not banned for spamming lol
Mister Locke Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Redglare's Demise Spiral staircases in medieval castles are running clockwise. This is because all knights used to be right-handed. When the intruding army would climb the stairs they would not be able to use their right hand which was holding the sword because of the difficulties of climbing the stairs. Left-handed knights would have had no troubles, except left-handed people could never become knights because it was assumed that they were descendants of the devil. wtf is this true? Devs, please comment on why you have excluded left handed ppl from being knights in Eve, I mean decendants of the devil, c'mon, I'm not even catholic. --- --Any sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses.--
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:40:00 - [10] Definitely BoB hax. ---
Altrex Stoppel SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Redglare's Demise Spiral staircases in medieval castles are running clockwise. This is because all knights used to be right-handed. When the intruding army would climb the stairs they would not be able to use their right hand which was holding the sword because of the difficulties of climbing the stairs. Left-handed knights would have had no troubles, except left-handed people could never become knights because it was assumed that they were descendants of the devil. You always humor me with these...can we have another?
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:02:00 - [12] noob titans are immune to EW and jamming which means u cant launch dictor bubbles within range of a titan. Now read up
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:08:00 - [13] Bubbles have no effect if they are deployed on a target that has allready started to warp, this is on the known issues page. How did it recharge to max cap and jump back in so quick? easy! Carriers. Capital Remote Energy Transfer Arrays x5 per carrier x10 carriers could mabey do it instantley, can't be bothered to do the maths but thats a hell of a lot of energy that could be transfered. Quick locking on the cyno for DD deployment... i'm not sure, does anyone know how fast a titan locks a cyno? i dident even know they could. Max sensor skills and a full rack of faction / T2 / Officer SB's mabey. More likeley however is the carriers or anouther support group of somekind had full racks of T2 REMOTE sensor boosters. Its all about the game mechanics dude, nothing is impossable, ya just gotta figure out how. Credit to BoB though for figureing it out. -
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:10:00 - [14] regardless of dev rumours bob have maoung the best PVPErs in the game they know their stuff
Waz Hawat Black Omega Security Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Alski Bubbles have no effect if they are deployed on a target that has allready started to warp, this is on the known issues page. How did it recharge to max cap and jump back in so quick? easy! Carriers. Capital Remote Energy Transfer Arrays x5 per carrier x10 carriers could mabey do it instantley, can't be bothered to do the maths but thats a hell of a lot of energy that could be transfered. Quick locking on the cyno for DD deployment... i'm not sure, does anyone know how fast a titan locks a cyno? i dident even know they could. Max sensor skills and a full rack of faction / T2 / Officer SB's mabey. More likeley however is the carriers or anouther support group of somekind had full racks of T2 REMOTE sensor boosters. Its all about the game mechanics dude, nothing is impossable, ya just gotta figure out how. Credit to BoB though for figureing it out. Wow, how come ou didn't jump right into the common haxploit belief, why did you haev to go and ruin a perfectly bad theatrical thread with potential common sence. Man that obvious fanboism is embarressing. :):) I am not on same side as BoB but I am unwilling to jump of the cliff of suspicion and I am glad you didn't either. Waz ----
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:20:00 - [16] --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:23:00 - [17] yeah its the we didnt read up on features of titans and we have no idea so it must be a hax club club
Uinein Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:28:00 - [18] I don't know anything about Titans or how fast his cap recharges but OMG he's a dev PANIC!!!!!
Adry Lemon	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Sigela Mantua Okay, i have up till now never belived, all this rubbish but now i Do. Let me explain there i am camping a station and BOB drop a titan ontop of us. Fair play we see the activation warp out dodging the dooms day. We rush back, and try to bubble the titan with the dictors. WHAT none of the dictors can lauch bubbles, the lauchers won't fire. We try and try and we get one down. perfectly covering the titan. It drops cyno and leaves. WAIT a miniute how did it cyno out 1 minuate into being bubbled. This is not possible. But oh well, thats nothing unormal to eve. Well we thought thats it, 15 seconds latter exactly ( i timed it off fraps) the same titan cynoed bakc in. How the hell did a titan cyno out, recharge full cap and get back. How i ask you, not only that but its cyno disapeared after it arived. If it where a carrier i would say it docked to get full cap but titans cn't dock so how did he regen that much cap so fast? Now for there finally, the grand Kaboom. Were camping a station, and a inty warps in. Cyno opens 2 seconds latter doomsday comes funeling through, even the inties didn;t have time to warp out. How is this possible, the titan pilot had to target the cyno (minmum time for this is about 15 seconds, then fire it to funnel it throught the cyno), Any capital pilot knows locking small stuff is hard, but his titan can lock a cyno instantly and insta Dooms day. Another totaly impossible feet in the game mechanics. Unless of course your a BOB titan pilot OMG look at what you wrote, 1) it was laggy 2) he droppped a cyno and left?? 3) he warped/cyno'd out then in then out 15 seconds apart?? 4) cyno disappeared after it arrived which was 15 seconds after he dropped it by your calculations?? 5) i dont know how he did it i am a noob. alright the answer is very simply, it was a huge client desync! titans dont have cyno's fitted, we warped in and out and in all in 15 seconds. The supposed cyno he dropped disappeared after 15 seonds, all of this is not possible, but is easily explained by a ..... client desync! happens all the time when DD go off. So instead of coming on eve-o waving your tin foil hat, why dont you use the grey matter beneath your tinfoil and analyse what happened. like seriously
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Waz Hawat Originally by: Alski Bubbles have no effect if they are deployed on a target that has allready started to warp, this is on the known issues page. How did it recharge to max cap and jump back in so quick? easy! Carriers. Capital Remote Energy Transfer Arrays x5 per carrier x10 carriers could mabey do it instantley, can't be bothered to do the maths but thats a hell of a lot of energy that could be transfered. Quick locking on the cyno for DD deployment... i'm not sure, does anyone know how fast a titan locks a cyno? i dident even know they could. Max sensor skills and a full rack of faction / T2 / Officer SB's mabey. More likeley however is the carriers or anouther support group of somekind had full racks of T2 REMOTE sensor boosters. Its all about the game mechanics dude, nothing is impossable, ya just gotta figure out how. Credit to BoB though for figureing it out. Wow, how come ou didn't jump right into the common haxploit belief, why did you haev to go and ruin a perfectly bad theatrical thread with potential common sence. Man that obvious fanboism is embarressing. :):) I am not on same side as BoB but I am unwilling to jump of the cliff of suspicion and I am glad you didn't either. Waz Meh I used to have a LOT of respect for BoB before the ASCN war, but then the massive forum scacktardedness flood started and now i wouldent be bothered if they get whiped off the map tbh. That said i do acknowledge the fact they still have great PvP abilitys, tactics and the organisation to do things that other people wouldent think of, so i consider it a challange and a learning experance to figure out how they do what they do, once cheating is ruled out of course. Who was it that said "you can only get better by playing a smarter opponent"? -
Jake Noble Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:30:00 - [21] OMG /me wraps himself in a giant tin foil ball and sobs
Celeste Coeval	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:31:00 - [22] easy multiple titans. the recharge is easy too just have some carriers on hand to transfer cap then send the beast back in. Nothing you mentioned is undoable (maybe it is if you can't think strategically). Come back with some actual exploit evidence..pffttt "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
UndergrounD Caldari Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Redglare's Demise Spiral staircases in medieval castles are running clockwise. This is because all knights used to be right-handed. When the intruding army would climb the stairs they would not be able to use their right hand which was holding the sword because of the difficulties of climbing the stairs. Left-handed knights would have had no troubles, except left-handed people could never become knights because it was assumed that they were descendants of the devil. sums it up quite nicely -----------------------------------------------
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:44:00 - [24] So if you launch a DD, then eject from the titan and a different pilot boards it, will the DD counter still work or could you launch another right away?
Last Mohicans	Posted - 2007.02.26 06:15:00 - [25] It happened again some retard with an alt posted some b*llsht on the forums after being OMGWTFBBQED and screaming DEVS DEVS DEVS!!!!!1111111
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.26 06:20:00 - [26] its getting lame leave youre aliance and join the winning side then
CrimsonSky Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 07:09:00 - [27] Originally by: hotgirl933 noob titans are immune to EW and jamming which means u cant launch dictor bubbles within range of a titan. Now read up Ugh. Don't speak of things you know nothing about. Interdictor bubbles and anchorable bubbles can both be deployed within range of a Titan or Mothership. The problem with this being, the way Smartbombs work means that Officer Smartbombs get stupidly high ranges on Motherships/Titans, meaning they can kill the bubbles easily. And as to the OP... Warp Disruption Bubbles have never stopped any type of jumping. Be that gate jumping, or jumpdrives, or jump portals. "But again, EVE is much less focused on combat and dangerous encounters than other online RPGs"-Gamespot.com
Serrano Balthar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:20:00 - [28] probably an hidden feature, not an hax. :p ----------- Igvar Thorn arn !
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:03:00 - [29] Originally by: Sigela Mantua Okay, i have up till now never belived, all this rubbish but now i Do. Let me explain there i am camping a station and BOB drop a titan ontop of us. Fair play we see the activation warp out dodging the dooms day. We rush back, and try to bubble the titan with the dictors. WHAT none of the dictors can lauch bubbles, the lauchers won't fire. We try and try and we get one down. perfectly covering the titan. It drops cyno and leaves. WAIT a miniute how did it cyno out 1 minuate into being bubbled. This is not possible. But oh well, thats nothing unormal to eve. Well we thought thats it, 15 seconds latter exactly ( i timed it off fraps) the same titan cynoed bakc in. How the hell did a titan cyno out, recharge full cap and get back. How i ask you, not only that but its cyno disapeared after it arived. If it where a carrier i would say it docked to get full cap but titans cn't dock so how did he regen that much cap so fast? Now for there finally, the grand Kaboom. Were camping a station, and a inty warps in. Cyno opens 2 seconds latter doomsday comes funeling through, even the inties didn;t have time to warp out. How is this possible, the titan pilot had to target the cyno (minmum time for this is about 15 seconds, then fire it to funnel it throught the cyno), Any capital pilot knows locking small stuff is hard, but his titan can lock a cyno instantly and insta Dooms day. Another totaly impossible feet in the game mechanics. Unless of course your a BOB titan pilot You do know that dictor bubble's don't affect the ability to jump out yeah? Tried and tested on dreadnought's btw, we bubbled some in the ascn war in gq and tackler's backed off and they cyno'd out of system, but must have been h4xx yeah. How about learn about the game before talking plop BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Sigela Mantua Stuff Regardless of haxploits and lag and stuff, it describe pretty well the sad state of 0.0 pvp, when Titans are in the system. Each side with a titan just try to bait it's enemies so they can doomsday them. CCP, remove Doomdays before they kill Eve ! ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:09:00 - [31] CCP wants to kill 0.0 PVP eventually they will be forced to act in the meantime enjoy the fun
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:29:00 - [32] You can whine with your main, dear memeber of sparta alliance. If you think there was exploit, petition it. Btw, capital ships can cyno out of bubbles. -------- .....
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:52:00 - [33] ABout time to get an overhaul of the capitals as well The cap issue should be no problem for BoB as they'd have dedicated cap transfer ships ready no doubt... That's one of the things you should be able to do while having those big donoughts flying around. For the other parts I think bugs, lag and lack of knowledge explains it... If you petition it, do you expect CCP to remove the Titan and send you a killmail "how-it-would-look"?
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:59:00 - [34] I disagree with the op, therefore I am a BoB alt or possibly a dev. Thank you!
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:09:00 - [35] riiiiiiight i would like to post something constructive about this whole bob thing but ill stick with a huge frown and wait till ccp fixes this game Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
diabolic clone Amarr Paxton Industries	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:11:00 - [36] What is the problem he got his cap back too fast? He might of fitted multiple cap boosters avatar does have 5 mid slots
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:18:00 - [37] Originally by: diabolic clone What is the problem he got his cap back too fast? he probably doesnt even know that BOB have 2 avatars :)
DunNa	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Kehmor I am a BoB alt or possibly a dev You mean theres a difference? I am stunned by this revelation.
JabJabVVV Total Mayhem.	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:32:00 - [39] Quote: WHAT none of the dictors can lauch bubbles, the lauchers won't fire. We try and try and we get one down. perfectly covering the titan. So these dictor bubbles that perfectly cover the titan appear by magic I'm assuming? (obviously as your dictors have been omgwtfhaxspoited and can't launch probes, obviously there was more than just lag involved). Quote: It drops cyno and leaves. WAIT a miniute how did it cyno out 1 minuate into being bubbled. This is not possible. But oh well, thats nothing unormal to eve. Are you sure it cynoed out? Seems much more likely to me that it just warped out and was entering warp before you bubbled it hence your bubble didn't catch it (a known bug). Quote: Well we thought thats it, 15 seconds latter exactly ( i timed it off fraps) the same titan cynoed bakc in. How the hell did a titan cyno out, recharge full cap and get back. How i ask you, not only that but its cyno disapeared after it arived. If it where a carrier i would say it docked to get full cap but titans cn't dock so how did he regen that much cap so fast? Being as he most probably warped out I'm guessing he simply warped back in, you don't need 70% cap for that and he quite probably didn't have it. Quote: Now for there finally, the grand Kaboom. Were camping a station, and a inty warps in. Cyno opens 2 seconds latter doomsday comes funeling through, even the inties didn;t have time to warp out. How is this possible, the titan pilot had to target the cyno (minmum time for this is about 15 seconds, then fire it to funnel it throught the cyno), Any capital pilot knows locking small stuff is hard, but his titan can lock a cyno instantly and insta Dooms day. Another totaly impossible feet in the game mechanics. While I can't claim to have ever used a titan I have got a cap ship and I'm guessing that the DD works just like normal cynoing (ie you right click the cyno generating char then click the appropriate option, in this case presumably the 'omgwtfpwnage' one). How the hell would the titan lock the cyno from x many AU away in any case? overall mark: 2/10 If you can provide evidence of cheating (eg fraps footage) then perhaps your post would be a little more worthwhile, as it is you just sound somewhat bitter and lacking in knowledge of game mechanics. ----------- When I was a n00b, I spake as a n00b, I understood as a n00b, I thought as a n00b: but when I became pr0, I put away n00bish things.
La Pounania Minmatar Majestic Knights	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:40:00 - [40] hey its bob, they cheat, nothing new here ______________________________________________________
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:42:00 - [41] Originally by: CrimsonSky Ugh. Don't speak of things you know nothing about. Damn, four postings ignored and I was beginning to hope people wouldn't feed any trolls and then you ruin it. Collect evidence, petition, but yeah I'd say a few of the effects you saw can be explained by support. After Energy Transfer there's also Sensor Linking, which may (or may not - don't have a Titan to test) allow a Titan faster locking time. Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in
Arte Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.02.26 13:24:00 - [42] Edited by: Arte on 26/02/2007 13:22:11 Just some questions, forgive my ignorance. It will be a loooong time before I fly a Titan and so as such I don't know how they work precisely...I sort of have ideas but wouldn't mind clarity. 1. Immunity to EW. What exactly does that apply to from the following? Jamming, dampning, scrambling (bubble), scrambling (scramblers/disruptors), webbing, cyno jumping. Reasons for this question is it sounds like the Titan cyno'd out and wouldn't matter if it was locked scrambled or tied down with leather bondage kit including a gimp gag, there was nothing to stop it leaving by cyno which is what you're saying happened. You didn't say that your gang destroyed the cyno ship after he first arrived as you all left quickly to avoid the impending DD, so maybe that was how it came back in after being remote recharged - using the same cyno. I'm assuming that the DD would destroy it's own cyno ship though but anything could have happened? Or maybe you did destroy it but after it came back and that's how it got used for the titan's return the second time and you didn't know. I would imagine there'd be alot of confusion, easy to miss the cyno ship the first time round, and only to realise it when the titan returned and someone says "oh ffs - we forgot..." and then did the deed. 2. Remote DD operation When using a cyno bubble to remote operate their DD, do they have to lock it on the star map there by needing to lock fast, or right click the pilot who set it and remote launch it through them? Would the cyno ship then be immune to the DD or would it get wiped out as well? Always assumed it was the latter in both regards which would make more sense, could someone clarify that. If it is the latter then you (sigela) seem to just not know the game mechanics despite insisting 4 actions carried out where without explanation and therefore cheating and impossible. Rather that Bob didn't win but don't assume that because you can't think of a way to do it, it must be a Devsploit by BOB and Co.
Turin Shroud Gallente Fermentation Process	Posted - 2007.02.26 13:38:00 - [43] im glad you know how titans work! 0 of your stuff is true for a start a titan doesnt have to lock a cyno it just has to click on its name and activate dd and with officer cap rechargers titans have extreme regen, but so would i if i spent 8bil per 36% cap recharger And judging by Bob killboard he had officer smartbombs so just blew up your bubble
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.26 14:54:00 - [44] As to why the cyno disappeared, is it possible the ship making it was vaporized when the DD lit him up?
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:06:00 - [45] I was there. At least for the insta DD occurrence. For the record: 1)There was ONLY ONE TITAN in system. No other capitals anywhere near the area. 2)No capitals of any sort jumped before or after the DD occurred. 3)Titan was safespotted. Thus he had to lock onto the cyno to deploy the DD. Since he was safe spotted, it should have taken him more than 3 sec for the DD to happen through the cyno. The events happened like this..... Someone started to say "cyno" on TS. Before he/she finished trying to say it, the DD went boom. All reports say the time between the cyno field appearing and the DD going off was less than 3 seconds. If it is an exploit or hack, time will be the judgement. If this is a bug, CCP PLEASE FIX THIS!!!!! This puts non-titan pilots at a serious disadvantage. Titans have been in-game for how long? And this "bug" still exists? Can a DEV or GM please enlighten us as to the cause of this happening? Or at least say that you are focusing on fixing it! -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:12:00 - [46] How many people were in the node at the time? It is seriously starting to sound like lag... almost sounds like the cyno guy popped it open, soon as he did the Titan started locking it- possibly someone had remote sensor boosters on the titan to help? The Titan finished the lock and bewm. In the mean time, the lag of having a couple dozen ships around made the cyno take time to load up on your screen. And once it did, poof. A possibility? shrugs I unno, never even SEEN a titan or a DD< much less used one.
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:12:00 - [47] One other question: Has anyone tested the time it takes for a titan to lock onto a cyno field? Either on the test server or Tranq. If so, please enlighten us as to the minimum time it takes. Thanks. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Turin Shroud Gallente Fermentation Process	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:13:00 - [48] The doomsday EFFECT goes off instantly however the damage isnt dealt till the end of the DD cycle, so it instantly appears at the cyno but you have to wait 15 seconds to recieve damage. You obviously don't understand how dd's work so i suggest you study up before screaming exploit! bug! deV!
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:14:00 - [49] Originally by: Kittamaru How many people were in the node at the time? It is seriously starting to sound like lag... almost sounds like the cyno guy popped it open, soon as he did the Titan started locking it- possibly someone had remote sensor boosters on the titan to help? The Titan finished the lock and bewm. In the mean time, the lag of having a couple dozen ships around made the cyno take time to load up on your screen. And once it did, poof. A possibility? shrugs I unno, never even SEEN a titan or a DD< much less used one. I believe there were only about 30 pilots in system when the DD went off. In the grid where the DD went off, there were about 7-10 ships. That's it. If that few of ships cause 15 sec of lag unexpectedly, we have a problem. Again, the titan WAS in system. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Turin Shroud Gallente Fermentation Process	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:15:00 - [50] YOU DONT NEED TO LOCK THE CYNO SHIP TO ACTIVATE THE DD. You right click the name in gang chat like you would a cyno to jump to and you click to activate the doomsday. The effect then goes off at the cyno and 15 seconds later the damage is dealt
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Turin Shroud The doomsday EFFECT goes off instantly however the damage isnt dealt till the end of the DD cycle, so it instantly appears at the cyno but you have to wait 15 seconds to recieve damage. You obviously don't understand how dd's work so i suggest you study up before screaming exploit! bug! deV! Please further enlighten us. Questions: 1)The DD effect goes off. Damage dealt then, or after 15 sec? 2)I have pics of the DD effect, but no damage dealt when the DD starts. 3)If I have another question, I will not hesitate to ask for answers. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Turin Shroud YOU DONT NEED TO LOCK THE CYNO SHIP TO ACTIVATE THE DD. You right click the name in gang chat like you would a cyno to jump to and you click to activate the doomsday. The effect then goes off at the cyno and 15 seconds later the damage is dealt Well, everyone who was at the DD site, said it was less than 3 sec from the time the cyno appeared to ships going BOOM. Thus, there is a problem. It wasn't 15 sec like it should be. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Turin Shroud Gallente Fermentation Process	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:21:00 - [53] Originally by: Isaac Orion Originally by: Turin Shroud YOU DONT NEED TO LOCK THE CYNO SHIP TO ACTIVATE THE DD. You right click the name in gang chat like you would a cyno to jump to and you click to activate the doomsday. The effect then goes off at the cyno and 15 seconds later the damage is dealt Well, everyone who was at the DD site, said it was less than 3 sec from the time the cyno appeared to ships going BOOM. Thus, there is a problem. It wasn't 15 sec like it should be. My guess would be they were too busy going "wtf is that" "whats that up there" for the first 12 seconds ITS A DOOMSDAY Guys warp out! and then 3 seconds later your all dead Go ask to test it on SiSi i am sure you will see nothing is bugged your guys were probably just not on the ball/paying attention
Sweet candy	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:26:00 - [54] Someone spawn me some bpo's...
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Turin Shroud My guess would be they were too busy going "wtf is that" "whats that up there" for the first 12 seconds ITS A DOOMSDAY Guys warp out! and then 3 seconds later your all dead Go ask to test it on SiSi i am sure you will see nothing is bugged your guys were probably just not on the ball/paying attention Nope. We aren't stupid. With a Titan in system, we knew the instant we saw a cyno, we had to warp out. Well, that instant came and went and less than 3 sec after on everyone's screen, ships went BOOM. Like I said, we aren't dumb. We knew what we were up against. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:35:00 - [56] As a side note, I believe the original thread post mentioned a previous DD activation earlier in the day. It happened in the same system, but the titan was on the grid when he activated the DD. Nothing out of ordinary there. We only lost 1 BS and 1 frig in that DD. The problem occurred with the DD through the cyno, where we lost multiple ships. Coincidence? -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
EMTsNightmare Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:37:00 - [57] doesn't a doomsday device have a cool down of an hour or so? Regardless of all other acts he talks about, if in fact it was the same titan (pilot could have swapped titans?) then it seems like the time line makes the DD's firing much quicker than an hour apart.
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:39:00 - [58] Edited by: Isaac Orion on 26/02/2007 15:39:57 Originally by: EMTsNightmare doesn't a doomsday device have a cool down of an hour or so? Regardless of all other acts he talks about, if in fact it was the same titan (pilot could have swapped titans?) then it seems like the time line makes the DD's firing much quicker than an hour apart. No, the second DD activation occurred over an hour later than the first. The DD had plenty of time to cool down. edit: If you look at the BoB killboard, the killmails show the same titan pilot, same titan ship, same system, over an hour apart between DD activations. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Greenwing SuX ltd. Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:45:00 - [59] Originally by: Isaac Orion Originally by: Turin Shroud YOU DONT NEED TO LOCK THE CYNO SHIP TO ACTIVATE THE DD. You right click the name in gang chat like you would a cyno to jump to and you click to activate the doomsday. The effect then goes off at the cyno and 15 seconds later the damage is dealt Well, everyone who was at the DD site, said it was less than 3 sec from the time the cyno appeared to ships going BOOM. Thus, there is a problem. It wasn't 15 sec like it should be. Maybe just a lag spike ? If the cyno activation command was send and received by the server but only 10secs later it was send to all players you would only have a few secs to warp out. But the only way to really know if something wrong happened is to petition it and ask the devs if they can find anything.
Isaac Orion Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Greenwing Maybe just a lag spike ? If the cyno activation command was send and received by the server but only 10secs later it was send to all players you would only have a few secs to warp out. But the only way to really know if something wrong happened is to petition it and ask the devs if they can find anything. Like I said, that could be the case, but that is a serious lag time for such few players in system and on the grid. We are in the process of petitioning it and will be awaiting to see what the DEVs/GMs conclude. -------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread
Karmic Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:01:00 - [61] Originally by: Alski Who was it that said "you can only get better by playing a smarter opponent"? Jake Green in Revolver - - - - - - - - -
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:23:00 - [62] Every time someone yells devsploit, and it isn't a devsploit, it weakens the devsploit case. Case in point: the boy who cried wolf.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:35:00 - [63] errr the op mentioned something about fraps....well linketh damit ! Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:08:00 - [64] Man, hutch needs to cool the ** down with editing posts that arent his. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:35:00 - [65] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Man, hutch needs to cool the **** down with editing posts that arent his. Agree. It tends to add an element of suspicion that something is being hidden. In this case it's probably just trash talk, but there are, unfortunately, reasons for being sensitive to this stuff. Except for the fanboi's and their alts, the Eve universe it getting a bit tired of certain groups of win-at-all-costs meta-gamers. My 0.02, Gorty Low-tech sig: "When in doubt, empty the magazine."
Arkanjuca Caldari The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.02.28 05:19:00 - [66] To who talked about he warping and not jumping, here is the ScreenShot of the titan JUMPING. Titan Jumping I was trying to do some nice SS, thats why it has no HUD, if you want, here is a SS before this: Before "It,s a good day do flight"
Kargon	Posted - 2007.02.28 06:00:00 - [67] Originally by: Isaac Orion Originally by: Turin Shroud My guess would be they were too busy going "wtf is that" "whats that up there" for the first 12 seconds ITS A DOOMSDAY Guys warp out! and then 3 seconds later your all dead Go ask to test it on SiSi i am sure you will see nothing is bugged your guys were probably just not on the ball/paying attention Nope. We aren't stupid. With a Titan in system, we knew the instant we saw a cyno, we had to warp out. Well, that instant came and went and less than 3 sec after on everyone's screen, ships went BOOM. Like I said, we aren't dumb. We knew what we were up against. Just speculation here... What if the Titan pilot himself is lagged? Is is possible for the Titan pilot to activate the DD while lagged, then the cyno is created a few seconds later, then the Titan pilot unlags? It would be easy enough to lag yourself. There are plenty of software that will simulate network lag, and you can use it to willingly lag/unlag yourself. Is there anything else that would prevent someone from activating a DD right away? Does another module interfere with it, or can some other ship exert an influence to prevent the DD from occurring? I'm trying to think of some way for another entity to block the DD mechanic (thus delaying it) while the Titan pilot willingly lags himself as he tells his client to activate the DD, thus confusing the server as to when it thinks the DD actually started. All this could be avoided if the game code doesn't rely on client information to tell the server when the DD was initiated -- i.e. hopefully, the server doesn't get a timestamp from the client to tell when the DD was activated by the player. But well... you never know. Maybe it can be as simple as playing with your processor's frequency, thus throwing off any software timer.
Kargon	Posted - 2007.02.28 06:06:00 - [68] As for cyno'ing in and out quickly... If officer mods can't get you to recharge fast enough... what if the pilot fiddles with his processor speed? Say you use up your cap, then jack up your processor frequency, thus fooling your client into thinking that time is passing by very quickly. Perhaps your client would be fooled enough to think that you've recharged a ton of cap, and allow you to cyno out. These are just simple mechanics that various speed hacks have used. I sure hope EVE is well-enough programmed to defend against them, but just in case the developers haven't thought about it... maybe this will get them to think more defensively.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:10:00 - [69] Edited by: Sokratesz on 28/02/2007 07:06:16 Originally by: Kargon As for cyno'ing in and out quickly... If officer mods can't get you to recharge fast enough... what if the pilot fiddles with his processor speed? Say you use up your cap, then jack up your processor frequency, thus fooling your client into thinking that time is passing by very quickly. I hope for ccp's sake cap recharge is done server side. If not, we're in for some major haxploitz. Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
Benglada Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:19:00 - [70] Cap recharge is server side cap viewing is client side.. (there used to be a bug where it would show you at half cap but it would say "not enough cap" therefore done server side) --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected]) Sig By Ortos
Toros Revoke STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:26:00 - [71] Lot of sniping going on... dons tinfoil armour

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