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Bleedingthrough
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Posted - 2016.06.04 20:21:11 -
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Made up?! A sitter chars for each Dread and FAX? This is so stupid, I doubt you though a second about it. Maybe suggest to share accounts next.
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Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2016.06.05 02:56:10 -
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In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach.
Come on. I ******* dare you. Put your logic where your mouth is, if you. An afford a cap you can afford a sitter.
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Nox52
Pterygopalatine
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Posted - 2016.06.05 03:32:54 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach.
Come on. I ******* dare you. Put your logic where your mouth is, if you. An afford a cap you can afford a sitter.
because that functionality was already present in the POS system and a large is a much higher cost of entry.
Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option. |
Jack Miton
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
4890
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Posted - 2016.06.05 04:46:38 -
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My review of this topic and thread:
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Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2016.06.05 06:10:26 -
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Nox52 wrote:[quote=Hatshepsut IV]
Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option.
You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ******* snowflake and don't want to adapt.
POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons'
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Nox52
Pterygopalatine
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Posted - 2016.06.05 07:12:35 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:Nox52 wrote:[quote=Hatshepsut IV]
Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option. You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ******* snowflake and don't want to adapt. POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons'
Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads.
Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ********? |
Wander Prian
Perkone Caldari State
238
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Posted - 2016.06.05 08:05:52 -
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Nox52 wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:Nox52 wrote:[quote=Hatshepsut IV]
Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option. You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ******* snowflake and don't want to adapt. POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons' Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads. Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ********?
Dropping 20 billion to protect the 10-15 billion you have in capitals is too much? Ookay....
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Nox52
Pterygopalatine
99
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Posted - 2016.06.05 08:44:14 -
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Wander Prian wrote:Nox52 wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:Nox52 wrote:[quote=Hatshepsut IV]
Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option. You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ******* snowflake and don't want to adapt. POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons' Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads. Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ********? Dropping 20 billion to protect the 10-15 billion you have in capitals is too much? Ookay....
And going from a fully fitted functioning auto attacking pos for 2 bil give or take to 20 bil unfitted citadel that is dumber than my old dead dog for similar functionality is something I should be enthusiastic about? |
Wander Prian
Perkone Caldari State
238
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Posted - 2016.06.05 10:00:27 -
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For those 20 billion, you get a station that is much more defendable than the POS ever was, that is invulnerable for 90Gäà of the time at your chosen times, has better asset security against theft, gives you a market and the ability to switch clones without a timer, unlimited storage space...
Eve has always been a game where you need to adapt to the changes and this is no different. Adapt or die |
Nox52
Pterygopalatine
99
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Posted - 2016.06.05 10:53:34 -
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Wander Prian wrote:For those 20 billion, you get a station that is much more defendable than the POS ever was, that is invulnerable for 90Gäà of the time at your chosen times, has better asset security against theft, gives you a market and the ability to switch clones without a timer, unlimited storage space...
Eve has always been a game where you need to adapt to the changes and this is no different. Adapt or die
I'm not sold on the more defendable than a pos part when it comes to subcaps from what I've been seeing, I'll give you most of the other points tho. Regardless of that I don't think it's unreasonable to want an option that does not make you choose between sitter alts, space coffins or 20 bil+ come **** with me targets in my wormhole.
What's wrong with caps docking in medium? Hell they are easier to push over than larges even. Put a limit on teh max number docked at once for all I care. |
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Wander Prian
Perkone Caldari State
238
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Posted - 2016.06.05 12:18:30 -
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Every time something new gets added to the game, people rush in to build and destroy them. Eventually citadels will be as common as POS are currently and nobody is going to go out of their way to kill yours unless you've pissed then off enough. CCP are willing to dedicate the time to get citadels right. They are fixing bugs, adding new features and fixing balance-issue all the time.
That doesn't mean that things will be the same though. I think CCP's idea is that if you are using capitals, you need to put something worthy in space to keep them safe. |
Terquil
Random Thinking Union Random Thinking
15
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:16:44 -
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Is there a fortizar kill? A fitted One? Haven't found any... so why people assume they are weak? |
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2016.06.05 19:08:04 -
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Nox52 wrote:..I don't think it's unreasonable to want an option that does not make you choose between sitter alts, space coffins or 20 bil+ come **** with me targets in my wormhole.
I'll be the judge of what's Un.reasonable here.
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Nox52
Pterygopalatine
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Posted - 2016.06.05 21:30:43 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:Nox52 wrote:..I don't think it's unreasonable to want an option that does not make you choose between sitter alts, space coffins or 20 bil+ come **** with me targets in my wormhole. I'll be the judge of what's Un.reasonable here.
That legitimately made me chuckle. |
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
517
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Posted - 2016.06.06 00:11:34 -
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Terquil wrote:Is there a fortizar kill? A fitted One? Haven't found any... so why people assume they are weak?
People/Groups go on the test server and you know.. test these things.
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Jack Miton
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
4890
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Posted - 2016.06.06 00:37:43 -
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omg ffs, you dont like citadels, WE GET IT! no one cares, move on with your life and let it go.
I dare you to name a SINGLE other major change that was rolled out as smoothly as citadels or that worked as well. I way THE most skeptical person you'll find anywhere when they announced introducing 'mooring' and docking while removing the force field but citadels work. they really do.
did you even stop and think about why there are only 3 available atm? and why they start at medium? i highly highly doubt that citadels are as fully released as they will be once POSs do eventually go away so calm down, untwist your lace panties and continue using your miserable POS until a citadel comes out that you can afford, or you finally get accepted into a not poor corp.
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Bleedingthrough
206
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Posted - 2016.06.06 05:51:51 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach.
Your assumptions are wrong. A sitter wonGÇÖt cut it for practical reasons.
Imagine the switching procedure during an escalating fight. I would not want to extract two accounts from a fight in a critical moment to do a tedious switch from a sitter to a character that can actually fly a cap. No, you need to use a fully trained character as sitter if you plan to use capitals for anything else but killing sleepers. That is a significant difference.
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Som Boty
Super Mother Fan Club
41
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Posted - 2016.06.06 06:28:45 -
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Wander Prian wrote:Nox52 wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:Nox52 wrote:[quote=Hatshepsut IV]
Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option. You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ******* snowflake and don't want to adapt. POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons' Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads. Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ********? Dropping 20 billion to protect the 10-15 billion you have in capitals is too much? Ookay....
Dropping 20b to protect 10-15b is by definition too much. |
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2016.06.06 06:37:37 -
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So you'd rather spend 2 bill then lose your capitals when people start popping your astrahaus because you decided to store diamonds in the space equivalent of an outhouse.
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Terquil
Random Thinking Union Random Thinking
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Posted - 2016.06.06 10:51:39 -
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helana Tsero wrote:Terquil wrote:Is there a fortizar kill? A fitted One? Haven't found any... so why people assume they are weak? People/Groups go on the test server.... and ...you know.. run tests like a fully fit fortizar against a subcap fleet. and also test the citadels force multiplier effects with defense fleet. Results have been disappointing for the cost of the citadel..
So you telling me that people kill fortizars on Sisi with little to no effort and like a bazillion times, but no one yet managed to kill one on tranq? You serious?
I did those tests too but I came to other conclusions (obviously) than most whiners....erm...players here.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1799
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Posted - 2016.06.06 11:15:19 -
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Terquil wrote:helana Tsero wrote:Terquil wrote:Is there a fortizar kill? A fitted One? Haven't found any... so why people assume they are weak? People/Groups go on the test server.... and ...you know.. run tests like a fully fit fortizar against a subcap fleet. and also test the citadels force multiplier effects with defense fleet. Results have been disappointing for the cost of the citadel.. So you telling me that people kill fortizars on Sisi with little to no effort and like a bazillion times, but no one yet managed to kill one on tranq? You serious? Couldn't it be that only big and strong organizations put Fortizars on Tranq so those citadels just get never attacked?
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Jack Miton
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
4890
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Posted - 2016.06.06 11:26:38 -
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Bleedingthrough wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach.
Your assumptions are wrong. A sitter wonGÇÖt cut it for practical reasons. Imagine the switching procedure during an escalating fight. I would not want to extract two accounts from a fight in a critical moment to do a tedious switch from a sitter to a character that can actually fly a cap. No, you need to use a fully trained character as sitter if you plan to use capitals for anything else but killing sleepers. That is a significant difference. How is that remotely different than if your cap is docked???
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Nox52
Pterygopalatine
101
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Posted - 2016.06.06 11:32:27 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:So you'd rather spend 2 bill then lose your capitals when people start popping your astrahaus because you decided to store diamonds in the space equivalent of an outhouse.
**** yes, punish me for being ******** enough to store my caps in the outhouse. Here I'll even bend over for you. Just don't make me ******* train sitter alts cause that stupid gameplay. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1508
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Posted - 2016.06.06 11:40:46 -
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March rabbit wrote:Terquil wrote:helana Tsero wrote:Terquil wrote:Is there a fortizar kill? A fitted One? Haven't found any... so why people assume they are weak? People/Groups go on the test server.... and ...you know.. run tests like a fully fit fortizar against a subcap fleet. and also test the citadels force multiplier effects with defense fleet. Results have been disappointing for the cost of the citadel.. So you telling me that people kill fortizars on Sisi with little to no effort and like a bazillion times, but no one yet managed to kill one on tranq? You serious? Couldn't it be that only big and strong organizations put Fortizars on Tranq so those citadels just get never attacked?
Exactly, it's a force multiplier.
You want to face a T3 fleet with cap support AND a big motherfucking citadel that can destroy any capital you field?
No ty |
Bleedingthrough
207
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Posted - 2016.06.06 15:33:15 -
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Jack Miton wrote: How is that remotely different than if your cap is docked???
Example You are dual boxing two guardians on your two accounts in a brutal battle on an incoming K162. Your opponent starts to log in more and more accounts and your FC requests that you bring a FAX so you donGÇÖt get overwhelmed.
In the simple case (docking) you warp the guardian (which is also the FAX toon) to your citadel, maybe wait for aggression timer, dock, grab one of these corp FAXes and warp back to battle. Done.
The same maneuver (get a cap on the field) looks like this if you use a sitter: Now you need to extract both of your guardians from the battle. In any small scale fight, this will get your fleet murdered. Your guardian pilot that can fly the FAX warps to a citadel, drops the guardian and gets to the log-in spot of the cap sitter. The second guardian (the sitter account) also needs to dock in a citadel and log off. You cannot simply log him off in space with timers. You log him off and log in the sitter. Once the sitter has landed on the log-in spot he ejects. The character that can actually fly the FAX takes the seat and onlines the T2 triage module and other stuff the sitter could not use and then warps back to the battle.
As I said before and explained again here a sitter is not a GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ and I donGÇÖt think we need to discuss this any further. Agree?
For a lot of the older people getting a fully trained cap pilot as a sitter is no problem but five years ago this would have been a huge problem for my corp. We are not discussing 1st world problems here, Jack. This is about entry barriers and I donGÇÖt think we need them. Caps never been more awesome and we would be hypocrites if we asked for an environment that made it any harder to field them.
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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
1659
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Posted - 2016.06.06 18:17:27 -
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sounds like you should invest in a cit that allows caps to dock then
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Jack Miton
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
4892
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Posted - 2016.06.06 23:07:16 -
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Bleedingthrough wrote:I donGÇÖt think we need to discuss this any further. Agree? well, that I can certainly agree with...
if you cant figure out how to correctly juggle a whole TWO accounts... then i guess I can't really help you. here's a pro tip though, try NOT dual boxing guardians.
realistically it's irrelevant in your scenario anyway since if you're warping 2 guardians out of a fight youre losing and need a fax to get you out of, your fleet will be dead before it gets there anyway because you didnt have it on standby correctly and your fleet now has no reps. good work.
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Bleedingthrough
207
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Posted - 2016.06.07 12:54:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote: realistically it's irrelevant in your scenario anyway since if you're warping 2 guardians out of a fight youre losing and need a fax to get you out of, your fleet will be dead before it gets there anyway because you didnt have it on standby correctly and your fleet now has no reps. good work.
Exactly! It is not possible to do so. This was the whole point of my example. I am so happy we finally understand each other, Jack.
And the correct way to have caps on standby isGǪ
O HTFU and donGÇÖt fly with these poor scrubs you call friends. O Build a 25 bil ISK garage! O Arrange fights and plan ahead! Never jump into a fight like a headless chicken. O Join the WH CFC. O Sit in your capital with your main and never log in again. Win EvE! O Join TISU and welp your caps and supers. No capital, no cry.
I donGÇÖt like any of these options. |
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
1660
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Posted - 2016.06.07 13:22:27 -
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Bleedingthrough wrote:Jack Miton wrote: realistically it's irrelevant in your scenario anyway since if you're warping 2 guardians out of a fight youre losing and need a fax to get you out of, your fleet will be dead before it gets there anyway because you didnt have it on standby correctly and your fleet now has no reps. good work.
Exactly! It is not possible to do so. This was the whole point of my example. I am so happy we finally understand each other, Jack. And the correct way to have caps on standby isGǪ O HTFU and donGÇÖt fly with these poor scrubs you call friends. O Build a 25 bil ISK garage! O Arrange fights and plan ahead! Never jump into a fight like a headless chicken. O Join the WH CFC. O Sit in your capital with your main and never log in again. Win EvE! O Join TISU and welp your caps and supers. No capital, no cry. I donGÇÖt like any of these options. you should probably unsub then
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Jack Miton
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
4893
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Posted - 2016.06.07 23:19:54 -
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Bleedingthrough wrote:Jack Miton wrote: realistically it's irrelevant in your scenario anyway since if you're warping 2 guardians out of a fight youre losing and need a fax to get you out of, your fleet will be dead before it gets there anyway because you didnt have it on standby correctly and your fleet now has no reps. good work.
Exactly! It is not possible to do so. This was the whole point of my example. I am so happy we finally understand each other, Jack. yes, because if the fax is docked instead, pulling your logi out of a losing fight will be much less of a problem. honestly man, how DO you manage to turn your computer on in the morning?
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