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Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard Wiking Were Wabbits 87	Posted - 2016.05.24 18:05:59 - [1] - Quote Look at it as balancing the asset loss / lack of sovereignty. A true replacement for the SMA.
Eva Ambrosa Bros Before Holes The Devils' Rejects 6	Posted - 2016.05.24 21:17:23 - [2] - Quote No... just use a large.
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1479	Posted - 2016.05.24 22:16:28 - [3] - Quote risk vs reward why should you pay 20x less for the privilege to dock your capitals
Mister Holder Faceless Men Separatists 40	Posted - 2016.05.24 22:36:17 - [4] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: risk vs reward why should you pay 20x less for the privilege to dock your capitals Because a POS is 20x less, and allows you to essentially dock it.
Gadher Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering 2	Posted - 2016.05.24 22:37:29 - [5] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: risk vs reward why should you pay 20x less for the privilege to dock your capitals Once they remove pos's I guess it come down to the question of not be able to do what they can today. With store a cap inside a pos sma and the cost difference is quite large between that ability now and invest into a large citadel.
Obil Que Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 400	Posted - 2016.05.25 13:21:28 - [6] - Quote Mister Holder wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: risk vs reward why should you pay 20x less for the privilege to dock your capitals Because a POS is 20x less, and allows you to essentially dock it. From CCPs perspective, the POS is imbalanced in regard to cost/benefit. Welcome to the new age
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1485	Posted - 2016.05.25 13:32:09 - [7] - Quote Mister Holder wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: risk vs reward why should you pay 20x less for the privilege to dock your capitals Because a POS is 20x less, and allows you to essentially dock it. There are so many disadvantages to putting a cap in a pos vs a citadel: 1. POS can be bubble wrapped 2. Requires one regular SMA per cap or an X-L which means fitting room reduction 3. POS does not rep your capitals 4. Can't swap clones to capital implants in a POS
Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard Wiking Were Wabbits 87	Posted - 2016.05.25 14:46:12 - [8] - Quote I get the impression that these ships were originally intended to "moor" alongside the medium but I guess between Spring & Eve-Vegas CCP decided it was too difficult and dropped the idea - but forgot that mooring was to replace this POS feature Anyway why not let them dock - its not like there is any asset safety in a wormhole so they are just as vulnerable as they were in a SMA
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings 2402	Posted - 2016.05.25 16:10:15 - [9] - Quote Iowa Banshee wrote: EDIT - Many small corps will struggle to defend a mediums vulnerability window how can they be expected to defend a large just to avoid a Rorqual becoming a space prison cell when at present it can be parked in a SMA waiting to be dusted off for the occasional mining op. There are so many things wrong with that statement...
Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard Wiking Were Wabbits 87	Posted - 2016.05.25 16:52:05 - [10] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Iowa Banshee wrote: EDIT - Many small corps will struggle to defend a mediums vulnerability window how can they be expected to defend a large just to avoid a Rorqual becoming a space prison cell when at present it can be parked in a SMA waiting to be dusted off for the occasional mining op. There are so many things wrong with that statement... ...from your point of view but thanks for your input - its always nice to see people who play the game their way pointing out how the way others play Eve is wrong.

Gosti Kahanid Raiders of the Space Brotherhood Of Silent Space 98	Posted - 2016.05.28 22:53:16 - [11] - Quote I think there should be an station-service for medium citadels which will give the citadel the ability to dock a limited amount of capitals, kinda like the XL-MA, maybe that you can even see on the outside. With this you have to pay fuel just to be able to store your capitals, and you can-¦t store an infinite amount of capitals like you can with the large citadel
NoobMan Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 256	Posted - 2016.05.30 12:11:47 - [12] - Quote I'll take a guess of why CCP will never do this. Art. Doesn't have a capital undocking bay. Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Paul Vashar Periphery Bound New Signature 82	Posted - 2016.05.30 19:14:00 - [13] - Quote NoobMan wrote: I'll take a guess of why CCP will never do this. Art. Doesn't have a capital undocking bay. I hear that somebody does however
Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard Wiking Were Wabbits 89	Posted - 2016.05.31 14:16:00 - [14] - Quote NoobMan wrote: I'll take a guess of why CCP will never do this. Art. Doesn't have a capital undocking bay. If it's about the art - no docking - but the Citadels still have the original mooring docks as show in the concept sketches Can have the ability to MOOR a couple of ships - because of Art ?
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 379	Posted - 2016.05.31 16:29:06 - [15] - Quote Adapt or die. Or unpoor and dock. Its not that hard really. If you cant afford to put up/fit/protect a fort then you certainty can't afford to do all those things properly for that c2 ratting thanny your so worried about. Public Channel \| Un.Welcome
Andrew Jester Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 1655	Posted - 2016.05.31 18:58:08 - [16] - Quote lol get nerfed shonen If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard Wiking Were Wabbits 89	Posted - 2016.05.31 20:56:32 - [17] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: Adapt or die. Or unpoor and dock. Its not that hard really. If you cant afford to put up/fit/protect a fort then you certainty can't afford to do all those things properly for that c2 ratting thanny your so worried about. You misunderstand: I was not talking about the large citadel designed to be used by "large corps" & "mulit-player alliances". I was talking the medium "Solo" "Small corp" version of the Citadels - You know - the one CCP were talking about during the citadel round table when they said "We have not forgotten about you solo players and small groups, EVERYTHING you can do in a POS you will be able to do in the new structures"
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 379	Posted - 2016.05.31 21:01:29 - [18] - Quote Iowa Banshee wrote: You misunderstand: No I didn't. Let me be EXPLICTLY clear. If you want to dock caps HTFU open the wallet and put a fortizar down. If you can not do this due to whatever made up reason, then you likely have no business A owning caps in that hole and B couldn't likely do anything to protect them. Also no ones stopping you from having them safe logged with sitter characters ect ect. I'm poor/small corp/new ect is not a valid reason to ask special allowances. Public Channel \| Un.Welcome
Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard Wiking Were Wabbits 89	Posted - 2016.05.31 21:39:39 - [19] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: Iowa Banshee wrote: You misunderstand: No I did not. Allow me to be EXPLICTLY clear. If you want to dock caps HTFU open the wallet and put a fortizar down. If you can not do this due to whatever made up reason, then you likely have no business A owning caps in that hole and B couldn't likely do anything to protect them. Also no ones stopping you from having them safe logged with sitter characters ect ect. I'm poor/small corp/new ect is not a valid reason to ask special allowances. "Explicitly" is spelt with an "i" and the text editor has a spell checker
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 379	Posted - 2016.05.31 22:49:29 - [20] - Quote Iowa Banshee wrote: "Explicitly" is spelt with an "i" and the text editor has a spell checker So you concede the point? Public Channel \| Un.Welcome

helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 512	Posted - 2016.05.31 23:48:07 - [21] - Quote At first I thought this was a nice nerf to the farmholes.. with the astrahus replacing all those true sansha POS... eg now the farmholes would need a character per cap + extra characters for rolling/scouting etc. (and maybe they might need to recruit and become an actual corp instead of a single guy with 4 alts) but then I realized all the astrahus restriction is going to do.. is encourage the farmer to join the big blocs. Because to keep the same minimal character setup they enjoy today.. the farmholes will need a fortizar.. and their best bet will be to join a large alliance and do their farming under a large alliance safety umbrella. Because attackers are not going to blowup a farmhole if they know a 50 man blob is going to show up to defend it... and then knock on their own door a few weeks later. Thumbs up CCP ! Your successfully turning wormhole space into SOV. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where eve is placed... not in cave..." \| zoonr-Korsairs \| QFT !
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 379	Posted - 2016.06.01 01:35:34 - [22] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: ...but then I realized all the astrahus restriction is going to do.. is encourage the farmer to join the big blocs....Thumbs up CCP ! Your successfully turning wormhole space into SOV.... HOLY ***, like wtf 11ty pwn with a doomsday are you full of it. Have you like ever interacted with a SINGLE* actual wormhole corp? Lets be real here, just to clarify. Putting capitals into a medium citadel will not keep them safe. Its trivial to RF and bother a medium citadel. Knowing there can be potential capital loot pi+¦atas inside them will just entice scary worm people to poke the nest. Second. Those bear holes your so worried about, gonna let you in on a secret. THEY ARE ALREADY FREAKING PART OF A GROUP. Either overtly or on the side. I'm just gonna make an assumption, your posting from an NPC alt.... You either are in something like freaking wingspan or just have plain never been in a wormhole corp. Know the last thing wormholers give a ** about? Defending some helpless/hapless/clueless bears farmhole. No self respecting wormhole corp is gonna just take in a bunch of worthless bears to herd/protect from pvp cause they are too poor to throw up a fortizar. Public Channel \| Un.Welcome**
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 513	Posted - 2016.06.01 06:35:16 - [23] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: helana Tsero wrote: ...but then I realized all the astrahus restriction is going to do.. is encourage the farmer to join the big blocs....Thumbs up CCP ! Your successfully turning wormhole space into SOV.... HOLY ***, like wtf 11ty pwn with a doomsday are you full of it. Have you like ever interacted with a SINGLE* actual wormhole corp? Lets be real here, just to clarify. Putting capitals into a medium citadel will not keep them safe. Its trivial to RF and bother a medium citadel. Knowing there can be potential capital loot pi+¦atas inside them will just entice scary worm people to poke the nest. Second. Those bear holes your so worried about, gonna let you in on a secret. THEY ARE ALREADY FREAKING PART OF A GROUP. Either overtly or on the side. I'm just gonna make an assumption, your posting from an NPC alt.... You either are in something like freaking wingspan or just have plain never been in a wormhole corp. Know the last thing wormholers give a **** about? Defending some helpless/hapless/clueless bears farmhole. No self respecting wormhole corp is gonna just take in a bunch of worthless bears to herd/protect from pvp cause they are too poor to throw up a fortizar. Calm down man lol.. don't do yourself an injury. Lets say your a guy who wants to farm in c5 / c6 space. You can set up by yourself and hope no one comes in and kicks the door down. Or you could put a pvp toon in one of the major alliances and then setup your farm hole under their protection umbrella. The smart ones already do... Now with POS's going away the slower ones are either going to have to pony up for a fortizar and defend it themselves which they wont be able to do..or get more toons cause they cant put their caps in the FF while they roll with BS etc (more toons cuts into isk making) or join a alliance and have protection for their farm hole for the cost of one extra pvp toon. Right now if a independent farmer gets invaded he logs off caps, throws everything he can carry into a orca with a spare pos in the cargo and then logs off until the invader goes. Then when they leave he puts another POS up and starts farming again. They not going to do that if they have to lose a 26 billion fortizar each time. As for your claim that alliances wont defend the farmholes. They not going to rush to defend if a PVE cap or two gets ganked but if someone is taking down their members farmholes then they will do something about it. This happened just recently when HK invaded duralex cause they were attacking HK members farms. (and there is nothing wrong with that.. they are defending their isk making ability upon which their pvp and other stuff is built.) "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where eve is placed... not in cave..." \| zoonr-Korsairs \| QFT !
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 381	Posted - 2016.06.01 07:12:35 - [24] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: Now with POS's going away the slower ones are either going to have to pony up for a fortizar and defend it themselves which they wont be able to do..or get more toons cause they cant put their caps in the FF while they roll with BS etc (more toons cuts into isk making) or join a alliance and have protection for their farm hole fortizar for the cost of one extra pvp toon. Right now if a independent farmer gets invaded he logs off caps, throws everything he can carry into a orca with a spare pos in the cargo and then logs off until the invader goes. Then when they leave he puts another POS up and starts farming again. They not going to do that if they have to lose a 26 billion fortizar each time. I'm failing to see where ANY of that is a bad thing. Everything your saying boils down to the fact you want your farm hole to be safe/risk free but you don't or won't spend the time/isk/effort to do so yourself so your asking CCP to automagically let you have your cake and eat it. Quote: As for your claim that alliances wont defend the farmholes You not getting the point, you seem to think that there will be some mass exodus of bears into pvp corps to get protection............ Public Channel \| Un.Welcome
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 513	Posted - 2016.06.01 07:24:24 - [25] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: You not getting the point, you seem to think that there will be some mass exodus of bears into pvp corps to get protection............ Some will. Some will also leave wormhole space to do incursions etc. I don't think many will stick around as small independent farm corps in higher class space. Im a fan of small - medium size corps in wormholes. Ive got nothing against bigger corps who build a empire.. the mechanics allow it .. so why not.. But I just think wormholes are healthier when there are smaller groups rather than large sov like blocs. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where eve is placed... not in cave..." \| zoonr-Korsairs \| QFT !
Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard Wiking Were Wabbits 89	Posted - 2016.06.01 17:27:59 - [26] - Quote This is not asking for something that can't be done already - I'm not saying I have a Titan and a player that can't do anything other that sit in it so allow me to dock and while you're at it make sure I cannot loose it when the place gets blown up. I'm saying don't take away an existing mechanic and then tell me if you want to continue to do this then buy something 20x the cost especially since a medium Citadel was supposed to be the thing to buy to take over this game mechanic for solo players & small groups. People here are not saying we don't want this because it affects them, they are saying we want CCP to take something away from other players because they don't play the game like us - that' s the "p iss on the fire because our smoores are done" attitude of a bigot.
Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard Wiking Were Wabbits 89	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:11:52 - [27] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: At first I thought this was a nice nerf to the farmholes.. with the astrahus replacing all those true sansha POS... eg now the farmholes would need a character per cap + extra characters for rolling/scouting etc. (and maybe they might need to recruit and become an actual corp instead of a single guy with 4 alts) but then I realized all the astrahus restriction is going to do.. is encourage the farmer to join the big blocs. Because to keep the same minimal character setup they enjoy today.. the farmholes will need a fortizar.. and their best bet will be to join a large alliance and do their farming under a large alliance safety umbrella. Because attackers are not going to blowup a farmhole if they know a 50 man blob is going to show up to defend it... and then knock on their own door a few weeks later. Thumbs up CCP ! Your successfully turning wormhole space into SOV. It's not going to force our small group into joining a big bloc :- The character that used to do pi, pvp, pve, rolling wormholes and the hauling of goods to market etc will sit in a single ship unused for most of the time. Together two unskilled alts will make less ISK because why risk a Rorqual to jump in an Epithal to do a pi run. Switching to a combat ship to fight visitors will be a non-started so little or no PVP. Without the skills of the main the ALTS having a few million sp each will only be able to do a fraction of what the main could and our online activity will drop significantly - EVE will become less fun and more of a chore
Andrew Jester Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 1655	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:42:15 - [28] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: Iowa Banshee wrote: "Explicitly" is spelt with an "i" and the text editor has a spell checker So you concede the point? you fuggin' dunked him dw If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Bleedingthrough 206	Posted - 2016.06.03 14:49:40 - [29] - Quote I want something to store capital ships that does not cost as much as a super. I think a fuel requiring service module for small citadels that can store a limited amount of capitals would be a valid solution.
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 381	Posted - 2016.06.03 21:30:27 - [30] - Quote So train a sitter character. Loggoff. Problem solved. Stop looking for a ***** handout to fix your made up problems. Public Channel \| Un.Welcome**

Bleedingthrough 206	Posted - 2016.06.04 20:21:11 - [31] - Quote Made up?! A sitter chars for each Dread and FAX? This is so stupid, I doubt you though a second about it. Maybe suggest to share accounts next.
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 381	Posted - 2016.06.05 02:56:10 - [32] - Quote In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach. Come on. I ***** dare you. Put your logic where your mouth is, if you. An afford a cap you can afford a sitter. Public Channel \| Un.Welcome**
Nox52 Pterygopalatine 99	Posted - 2016.06.05 03:32:54 - [33] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach. Come on. I ******* dare you. Put your logic where your mouth is, if you. An afford a cap you can afford a sitter. because that functionality was already present in the POS system and a large is a much higher cost of entry. Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option.
Jack Miton Anomalous Existence Low-Class 4890	Posted - 2016.06.05 04:46:38 - [34] - Quote My review of this topic and thread: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/37200/784797-baby_crying_closeup.jpg There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 382	Posted - 2016.06.05 06:10:26 - [35] - Quote Nox52 wrote: [quote=Hatshepsut IV] Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option. You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ***** snowflake and don't want to adapt. POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons' Public Channel \| Un.Welcome**
Nox52 Pterygopalatine 99	Posted - 2016.06.05 07:12:35 - [36] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: Nox52 wrote: [quote=Hatshepsut IV] Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option. You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ***** snowflake and don't want to adapt. POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons' Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads. Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ******?
Wander Prian Perkone Caldari State 238	Posted - 2016.06.05 08:05:52 - [37] - Quote Nox52 wrote: Hatshepsut IV wrote: Nox52 wrote: [quote=Hatshepsut IV] Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option. You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ***** snowflake and don't want to adapt. POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons' Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads. Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ******? Dropping 20 billion to protect the 10-15 billion you have in capitals is too much? Ookay....
Nox52 Pterygopalatine 99	Posted - 2016.06.05 08:44:14 - [38] - Quote Wander Prian wrote: Nox52 wrote: Hatshepsut IV wrote: Nox52 wrote: [quote=Hatshepsut IV] Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option. You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ***** snowflake and don't want to adapt. POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons' Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads. Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ******? Dropping 20 billion to protect the 10-15 billion you have in capitals is too much? Ookay.... And going from a fully fitted functioning auto attacking pos for 2 bil give or take to 20 bil unfitted citadel that is dumber than my old dead dog for similar functionality is something I should be enthusiastic about?
Wander Prian Perkone Caldari State 238	Posted - 2016.06.05 10:00:27 - [39] - Quote For those 20 billion, you get a station that is much more defendable than the POS ever was, that is invulnerable for 90Gäà of the time at your chosen times, has better asset security against theft, gives you a market and the ability to switch clones without a timer, unlimited storage space... Eve has always been a game where you need to adapt to the changes and this is no different. Adapt or die
Nox52 Pterygopalatine 99	Posted - 2016.06.05 10:53:34 - [40] - Quote Wander Prian wrote: For those 20 billion, you get a station that is much more defendable than the POS ever was, that is invulnerable for 90Gäà of the time at your chosen times, has better asset security against theft, gives you a market and the ability to switch clones without a timer, unlimited storage space... Eve has always been a game where you need to adapt to the changes and this is no different. Adapt or die I'm not sold on the more defendable than a pos part when it comes to subcaps from what I've been seeing, I'll give you most of the other points tho. Regardless of that I don't think it's unreasonable to want an option that does not make you choose between sitter alts, space coffins or 20 bil+ come **** with me targets in my wormhole. What's wrong with caps docking in medium? Hell they are easier to push over than larges even. Put a limit on teh max number docked at once for all I care.

Wander Prian Perkone Caldari State 238	Posted - 2016.06.05 12:18:30 - [41] - Quote Every time something new gets added to the game, people rush in to build and destroy them. Eventually citadels will be as common as POS are currently and nobody is going to go out of their way to kill yours unless you've pissed then off enough. CCP are willing to dedicate the time to get citadels right. They are fixing bugs, adding new features and fixing balance-issue all the time. That doesn't mean that things will be the same though. I think CCP's idea is that if you are using capitals, you need to put something worthy in space to keep them safe.
Terquil Random Thinking Union Random Thinking 15	Posted - 2016.06.05 13:16:44 - [42] - Quote Is there a fortizar kill? A fitted One? Haven't found any... so why people assume they are weak?
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 382	Posted - 2016.06.05 19:08:04 - [43] - Quote Nox52 wrote: ..I don't think it's unreasonable to want an option that does not make you choose between sitter alts, space coffins or 20 bil+ come ** with me targets in my wormhole. I'll be the judge of what's Un.reasonable here. Public Channel \| Un.Welcome**
Nox52 Pterygopalatine 99	Posted - 2016.06.05 21:30:43 - [44] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: Nox52 wrote: ..I don't think it's unreasonable to want an option that does not make you choose between sitter alts, space coffins or 20 bil+ come **** with me targets in my wormhole. I'll be the judge of what's Un.reasonable here. That legitimately made me chuckle.
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 517	Posted - 2016.06.06 00:11:34 - [45] - Quote Terquil wrote: Is there a fortizar kill? A fitted One? Haven't found any... so why people assume they are weak? People/Groups go on the test server and you know.. test these things. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where eve is placed... not in cave..." \| zoonr-Korsairs \| QFT !
Jack Miton Anomalous Existence Low-Class 4890	Posted - 2016.06.06 00:37:43 - [46] - Quote omg ffs, you dont like citadels, WE GET IT! no one cares, move on with your life and let it go. I dare you to name a SINGLE other major change that was rolled out as smoothly as citadels or that worked as well. I way THE most skeptical person you'll find anywhere when they announced introducing 'mooring' and docking while removing the force field but citadels work. they really do. did you even stop and think about why there are only 3 available atm? and why they start at medium? i highly highly doubt that citadels are as fully released as they will be once POSs do eventually go away so calm down, untwist your lace panties and continue using your miserable POS until a citadel comes out that you can afford, or you finally get accepted into a not poor corp. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Bleedingthrough 206	Posted - 2016.06.06 05:51:51 - [47] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach. Your assumptions are wrong. A sitter wonGÇÖt cut it for practical reasons. Imagine the switching procedure during an escalating fight. I would not want to extract two accounts from a fight in a critical moment to do a tedious switch from a sitter to a character that can actually fly a cap. No, you need to use a fully trained character as sitter if you plan to use capitals for anything else but killing sleepers. That is a significant difference.
Som Boty Super Mother Fan Club 41	Posted - 2016.06.06 06:28:45 - [48] - Quote Wander Prian wrote: Nox52 wrote: Hatshepsut IV wrote: Nox52 wrote: [quote=Hatshepsut IV] Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option. You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ***** snowflake and don't want to adapt. POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons' Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads. Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ******? Dropping 20 billion to protect the 10-15 billion you have in capitals is too much? Ookay.... Dropping 20b to protect 10-15b is by definition too much.
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 383	Posted - 2016.06.06 06:37:37 - [49] - Quote So you'd rather spend 2 bill then lose your capitals when people start popping your astrahaus because you decided to store diamonds in the space equivalent of an outhouse. Public Channel \| Un.Welcome
Terquil Random Thinking Union Random Thinking 15	Posted - 2016.06.06 10:51:39 - [50] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: Terquil wrote: Is there a fortizar kill? A fitted One? Haven't found any... so why people assume they are weak? People/Groups go on the test server.... and ...you know.. run tests like a fully fit fortizar against a subcap fleet. and also test the citadels force multiplier effects with defense fleet. Results have been disappointing for the cost of the citadel.. So you telling me that people kill fortizars on Sisi with little to no effort and like a bazillion times, but no one yet managed to kill one on tranq? You serious? I did those tests too but I came to other conclusions (obviously) than most whiners....erm...players here.

March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1799	Posted - 2016.06.06 11:15:19 - [51] - Quote Terquil wrote: helana Tsero wrote: Terquil wrote: Is there a fortizar kill? A fitted One? Haven't found any... so why people assume they are weak? People/Groups go on the test server.... and ...you know.. run tests like a fully fit fortizar against a subcap fleet. and also test the citadels force multiplier effects with defense fleet. Results have been disappointing for the cost of the citadel.. So you telling me that people kill fortizars on Sisi with little to no effort and like a bazillion times, but no one yet managed to kill one on tranq? You serious? Couldn't it be that only big and strong organizations put Fortizars on Tranq so those citadels just get never attacked? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Jack Miton Anomalous Existence Low-Class 4890	Posted - 2016.06.06 11:26:38 - [52] - Quote Bleedingthrough wrote: Hatshepsut IV wrote: In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach. Your assumptions are wrong. A sitter wonGÇÖt cut it for practical reasons. Imagine the switching procedure during an escalating fight. I would not want to extract two accounts from a fight in a critical moment to do a tedious switch from a sitter to a character that can actually fly a cap. No, you need to use a fully trained character as sitter if you plan to use capitals for anything else but killing sleepers. That is a significant difference. How is that remotely different than if your cap is docked??? There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Nox52 Pterygopalatine 101	Posted - 2016.06.06 11:32:27 - [53] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: So you'd rather spend 2 bill then lose your capitals when people start popping your astrahaus because you decided to store diamonds in the space equivalent of an outhouse. ** yes, punish me for being **** enough to store my caps in the outhouse. Here I'll even bend over for you. Just don't make me ***** train sitter alts cause that stupid gameplay.
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1508	Posted - 2016.06.06 11:40:46 - [54] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Terquil wrote: helana Tsero wrote: Terquil wrote: Is there a fortizar kill? A fitted One? Haven't found any... so why people assume they are weak? People/Groups go on the test server.... and ...you know.. run tests like a fully fit fortizar against a subcap fleet. and also test the citadels force multiplier effects with defense fleet. Results have been disappointing for the cost of the citadel.. So you telling me that people kill fortizars on Sisi with little to no effort and like a bazillion times, but no one yet managed to kill one on tranq? You serious? Couldn't it be that only big and strong organizations put Fortizars on Tranq so those citadels just get never attacked? Exactly, it's a force multiplier. You want to face a T3 fleet with cap support AND a big motherfucking citadel that can destroy any capital you field? No ty
Bleedingthrough 207	Posted - 2016.06.06 15:33:15 - [55] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: How is that remotely different than if your cap is docked??? Example You are dual boxing two guardians on your two accounts in a brutal battle on an incoming K162. Your opponent starts to log in more and more accounts and your FC requests that you bring a FAX so you donGÇÖt get overwhelmed. In the simple case (docking) you warp the guardian (which is also the FAX toon) to your citadel, maybe wait for aggression timer, dock, grab one of these corp FAXes and warp back to battle. Done. The same maneuver (get a cap on the field) looks like this if you use a sitter: Now you need to extract both of your guardians from the battle. In any small scale fight, this will get your fleet murdered. Your guardian pilot that can fly the FAX warps to a citadel, drops the guardian and gets to the log-in spot of the cap sitter. The second guardian (the sitter account) also needs to dock in a citadel and log off. You cannot simply log him off in space with timers. You log him off and log in the sitter. Once the sitter has landed on the log-in spot he ejects. The character that can actually fly the FAX takes the seat and onlines the T2 triage module and other stuff the sitter could not use and then warps back to the battle. As I said before and explained again here a sitter is not a GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ and I donGÇÖt think we need to discuss this any further. Agree? For a lot of the older people getting a fully trained cap pilot as a sitter is no problem but five years ago this would have been a huge problem for my corp. We are not discussing 1st world problems here, Jack. This is about entry barriers and I donGÇÖt think we need them. Caps never been more awesome and we would be hypocrites if we asked for an environment that made it any harder to field them.
Andrew Jester Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 1659	Posted - 2016.06.06 18:17:27 - [56] - Quote sounds like you should invest in a cit that allows caps to dock then If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Jack Miton Anomalous Existence Low-Class 4892	Posted - 2016.06.06 23:07:16 - [57] - Quote Bleedingthrough wrote: I donGÇÖt think we need to discuss this any further. Agree? well, that I can certainly agree with... if you cant figure out how to correctly juggle a whole TWO accounts... then i guess I can't really help you. here's a pro tip though, try NOT dual boxing guardians. realistically it's irrelevant in your scenario anyway since if you're warping 2 guardians out of a fight youre losing and need a fax to get you out of, your fleet will be dead before it gets there anyway because you didnt have it on standby correctly and your fleet now has no reps. good work. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Bleedingthrough 207	Posted - 2016.06.07 12:54:00 - [58] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: realistically it's irrelevant in your scenario anyway since if you're warping 2 guardians out of a fight youre losing and need a fax to get you out of, your fleet will be dead before it gets there anyway because you didnt have it on standby correctly and your fleet now has no reps. good work. Exactly! It is not possible to do so. This was the whole point of my example. I am so happy we finally understand each other, Jack. And the correct way to have caps on standby isGÇª O HTFU and donGÇÖt fly with these poor scrubs you call friends. O Build a 25 bil ISK garage! O Arrange fights and plan ahead! Never jump into a fight like a headless chicken. O Join the WH CFC. O Sit in your capital with your main and never log in again. Win EvE! O Join TISU and welp your caps and supers. No capital, no cry. I donGÇÖt like any of these options.
Andrew Jester Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 1660	Posted - 2016.06.07 13:22:27 - [59] - Quote Bleedingthrough wrote: Jack Miton wrote: realistically it's irrelevant in your scenario anyway since if you're warping 2 guardians out of a fight youre losing and need a fax to get you out of, your fleet will be dead before it gets there anyway because you didnt have it on standby correctly and your fleet now has no reps. good work. Exactly! It is not possible to do so. This was the whole point of my example. I am so happy we finally understand each other, Jack. And the correct way to have caps on standby isGÇª O HTFU and donGÇÖt fly with these poor scrubs you call friends. O Build a 25 bil ISK garage! O Arrange fights and plan ahead! Never jump into a fight like a headless chicken. O Join the WH CFC. O Sit in your capital with your main and never log in again. Win EvE! O Join TISU and welp your caps and supers. No capital, no cry. I donGÇÖt like any of these options. you should probably unsub then If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Jack Miton Anomalous Existence Low-Class 4893	Posted - 2016.06.07 23:19:54 - [60] - Quote Bleedingthrough wrote: Jack Miton wrote: realistically it's irrelevant in your scenario anyway since if you're warping 2 guardians out of a fight youre losing and need a fax to get you out of, your fleet will be dead before it gets there anyway because you didnt have it on standby correctly and your fleet now has no reps. good work. Exactly! It is not possible to do so. This was the whole point of my example. I am so happy we finally understand each other, Jack. yes, because if the fax is docked instead, pulling your logi out of a losing fight will be much less of a problem. honestly man, how DO you manage to turn your computer on in the morning? There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout

Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard Wiking Were Wabbits 89	Posted - 2016.06.08 18:27:32 - [61] - Quote It's not about adapting, or getting richer or tears. This is a legitimate complaint that the replacement item for the POS does not do it's advertised job. Citadels are priced to serve Huge, Large and Small groups. For huge groups the Keepstar costs approximately X2 ISK of the Titan that's allowed to dock in it For Large groups the Fortizar costs approximately X2 ISK of the Supercarrier that's allowed to dock in it For small groups Astrahus costs approximately X2 ISK of the Carrier NOT allowed to dock in it As for all the people who seem to think building a carrier or capital industrial in low class wormholes should force you into buying a L Fortizar and not a M Astrahus - Well you can't fly a Titan in highsec -- So your logic dictates that you not be allowed to anchor a XL Keepstar but be forced to use a L Fortizar as well; Think about it
Jack Miton Anomalous Existence Low-Class 4893	Posted - 2016.06.08 22:59:27 - [62] - Quote If your cap is worth less than your Astrahaus, you're fitting it wrong. PS: you should really stop building useless caps in low class WHs where they serve no purpose other that providing a shiny KM to whichever lucky corp catches you undocked with it first. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Wander Prian Perkone Caldari State 241	Posted - 2016.06.09 10:55:29 - [63] - Quote Iowa Banshee wrote: It's not about adapting, or getting richer or tears. This is a legitimate complaint that the replacement item for the POS does not do it's advertised job. Citadels are priced to serve Huge, Large and Small groups. For huge groups the Keepstar costs approximately X2 ISK of the Titan that's allowed to dock in it For Large groups the Fortizar costs approximately X2 ISK of the Supercarrier that's allowed to dock in it For small groups Astrahus costs approximately X2 ISK of the Carrier NOT allowed to dock in it As for all the people who seem to think building a carrier or capital industrial in low class wormholes should force you into buying a L Fortizar and not a M Astrahus - Well you can't fly a Titan in highsec -- So your logic dictates that you not be allowed to anchor a XL Keepstar but be forced to use a L Fortizar as well; Think about it Just a FYI, you cannot dock supers in a Fortizar. Supercapitals and titans are dockable only in the Keepstar
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 261	Posted - 2016.06.09 11:29:38 - [64] - Quote Iowa Banshee wrote: and the text editor has a spell checker It does? When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Glyndi Doom Generation 287	Posted - 2016.06.09 22:36:34 - [65] - Quote Please let this thread die, it's very existence kills puppies and kitties by the hour.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 724	Posted - 2016.06.09 23:51:20 - [66] - Quote If you can afford the required capital accounts and assets required to go high class crabbing and solo capital escalations, you can afford a Fortizar. I'm just a shallow hole scrub with an Astrahus. Even in my lowly C2, if I was so inclined, I could come up with the required ISK for a Fortizar, solo, in a reasonable timeframe, say a couple weeks of pure carebearing. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Pax Deltari NPC Corp Worst Corp No Doubt 52	Posted - 2016.06.20 21:48:22 - [67] - Quote Rorquals are allowed in Wormhole space now?
Andrew Jester Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 1664	Posted - 2016.06.21 01:45:19 - [68] - Quote Glyndi wrote: Please let this thread die, it's very existence kills puppies and kitties by the hour. sametbhfam If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Bleedingthrough 207	Posted - 2016.06.21 15:53:22 - [69] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: If your cap is worth less than your Astrahaus, you're fitting it wrong. PS: you should really stop building useless caps in low class WHs where they serve no purpose other that providing a shiny KM to whichever lucky corp catches you undocked with it first. If you can resist the need to double the price of your lossmail for maybe 20% more performance caps never been cheaper for what they do and there is no reason not to use and ultimately lose them. For instance the difference between a FAX and a mach loss flown in LS these days is very slim taking insurance into account. I been running training corps and such in WH space and I know what low tier groups problems are. These problems are very different from that of bitter vets and their 7 accounts that ran farmholes solo for ages. Newbies struggled to get enough capital pilots to run the old cap escalations as a group and if they been in their farmhole farming there was no PvP in their main WH because all pilots are needed in that farmhole to make this happen. This is of cause not very efficient but something a training group does because your members want to see what GÇ£elite PvEGÇ¥ is like. Also PvP in such groups is lot different: They can not fly every subcap you might want on the field and the initial investment for your members to get somewhat flexible in PvP is huge. Despite all these problems you have and that could so easily be avoided by joining an established group of bitter vets we managed to grow to a size that allowed us to pick a lot of fights. This might not be the way you like to play the game but I find it rewarding to see newbies grow up and become bloodthirsty killers and friends. This is also the reason I have to be vocal here in the forums against this elite talk I find so toxic. And I will keep fighting for a smooth transition from a newbie to a top tier group. I feel this is what WH needs and not more and more pilots Widoting into the same few corps. Overlord this is like the only newcomer this year, right? And how many have we lost? Your statement about low class and capitals is BS. Our C4 got invaded by a C6 group that was hoping for an easy eviction some years back. What they didnGÇÖt know is that we had 2 triage carriers in that WH and french friends backing us up. As a result of this we kept our WH. I know of other low class PvP oriented groups that resisted evictions by seemingly stronger groups because they had the capital advantage. Having capitals in your low class WH is a nice way to punch above your weight class. A content enabler everyone should love. Jack Miton wrote: How is that remotely different than if your cap is docked??? Think I missed clone swapping and refitting earlier (you might be a bit limited if you could only refit what you can carry with the new cap mods. Not certain if this is relevant though). And did I mention sharing capitals with others which is impossible if you are offline. Btw. I would love to hear how the right way to switch to a cap mid fight is? It is so easy to attack someone if you donGÇÖt really contribute to the discussion. DonGÇÖt be shy, if I missed something and gone full **** I will admit this, I promise. Mephiztopheleze wrote:** If you can afford the required capital accounts and assets required to go high class crabbing and solo capital escalations, you can afford a Fortizar. I'm just a shallow hole scrub with an Astrahus. Even in my lowly C2, if I was so inclined, I could come up with the required ISK for a Fortizar, solo, in a reasonable timeframe, say a couple weeks of pure carebearing. Do me a favor and put one up. I know what people do in a content rich environments like lowsec for a super kill: We had an entire fleet logged off for 4 hours recently for that and I canGÇÖt wait to see what the content starved WH guys will do to a 17bil garage put up by a low tier group in WH space. (DonGÇÖt be offended by GÇ£low tierGÇ¥ please.) You also might want two of these. They are farmed during the vulnerability window after anchoring and unless they are super duper force multipliers they will also be when operational. I managed to rally 70+ dudes for way less expected value in killmails. The damage cap seems trivial for such a fleet but what do I know. I have not fought one of these on tranq. yet.
Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable 397	Posted - 2016.06.26 06:56:52 - [70] - Quote Bleedingthrough wrote: Overlord this is like the only newcomer this year.... Statements like that is why no one is taken you seriously. You do know that overload this is basically the core people from some very old/established bitter vet wh groups. brokenrecord wrote: f you can resist the need to double the price of your lossmail for maybe 20% more performance caps never been cheaper for what they do and there is no reason not to use and ultimately lose them Not spending that isk for that extra 20 percent is exactly why you are losing those dreads. Public Channel \| Un.Welcome

Bleedingthrough 209	Posted - 2016.06.26 15:43:56 - [71] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: You do know that overload this is basically the core people from some very old/established bitter vet wh groups. How does this invalidate anything I said? Everything I said is true and I am not going to discuss semantics with you. Just compare http://comparison.hrdkx.space/2015/june with http://comparison.hrdkx.space/2016/june. HK data surely donGÇÖt lie. Although this has been a trend on for years now, I fail to see any reflection of the reality of w-space. The same anachronistic mindset is being memed and aggressively protected for years on these forums with the same ****** results. Only a fool does that. However whatever motivates your little crusade here got to be beyond that. It is both incompatible with the meme GÇ£capitals are good contentGÇ¥ (whiny kids need content) and reality http://comparison.hrdkx.space/timeline. Any person that can access reasoning would draw the conclusion that making it easier to use capitals is a good thing.
Luft Reich Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 140	Posted - 2016.06.26 21:08:00 - [72] - Quote Bleedingthrough wrote: Hatshepsut IV wrote: You do know that overload this is basically the core people from some very old/established bitter vet wh groups. How does this invalidate anything I said? Everything I said is true and I am not going to discuss semantics with you. Just compare http://comparison.hrdkx.space/2015/june with http://comparison.hrdkx.space/2016/june. HK data surely donGÇÖt lie. Although this has been a trend on for years now, I fail to see any reflection of the reality of w-space. The same anachronistic mindset is being memed and aggressively protected for years on these forums with the same **** results. Only a fool does that. However whatever motivates your little crusade here got to be beyond that. It is both incompatible with the meme GÇ£capitals are good contentGÇ¥ (See edit: whiny kids need content) and reality http://comparison.hrdkx.space/timeline. Any person that can access reasoning would draw the conclusion that making it easier to use capitals is a good thing. Edit: (noobman)GÇ£GÇª Ask one of the like 20 groups that died in the last 12 months "why?". Wormhole corps are the most difficult corps to run and be successful in the game period. You are locked in a hole with a bunch of whiny kids who want content and isk , you have to convince your kids to leave the hole and explore and spend hours scanning with the possibility of never finding anything, all of your assets are 100% destructible and vulnerable, and you need to be active and in game in every timezone while leading a normal life outside the gameGÇ¥ Holy ** you're dumb. People arent using capitals because there is no reason to use them in sites now other than to make them go faster. Take your big words and your risk averse German mentality and screw off like really "ohhhh wh space sooo bad" it's a bigger issue than fortizars being like 16 bil now. That's nothing, run a few sites in MJD Rattlesnakes or something and buy yourself a fortizar so you too can never fly a cap in PvP you risk averse cuck. ISD Cyberdyne liked your forum post
Jack Miton Un.Reasonable 4899	Posted - 2016.06.26 23:36:49 - [73] - Quote Bleedingthrough wrote: Btw. I would love to hear how the right way to switch to a cap mid fight is? It is so easy to attack someone if you donGÇÖt really contribute to the discussion. DonGÇÖt be shy, if I missed something and gone full ****** I will admit this, I promise. No, you actually DON'T want to hear it which is why you're ignoring the obvious: The correct way to add a capital to an existing fight is to warp it in from wherever you have it sitting on standby with a fully functional pilot sitting in it ready to go. You're talking like someone who wants to play with the cool kids and their caps but you clearly can't accept what is actually required to fly caps successfully in wspace. People LOVE building caps in low end WHs, a LOT. However, 98% of people who build them there are completely wasting their time and money. I've been in active PVP WH corps since 2009 and ask me how many fights I've seen in C1-4 WHs where there were caps involved that were ultimately won by the group fielding the caps. Go on, ask me. Spoiler alert: zero. This is far from the number of caps ive killed in low end WHs btw. (yes, i know they probably exist but theyre extremely rare and far between.) Sure, call me elitist, call me a bittervet, call me whatever you like; none of it is going to change the fact that your sh!t fit T1 rigged cap with T2 mods isnt going to anything remotely useful when you warp out your logi pilots to go pick it up. In fact, It should make it back to the fight just in time to watch your enemy start looting while casually killing it. As for newbie corps in C5-6 space? why do you assume newbies are entitled to have all the same toys vets do? This sense of entitlement is why no one is ever going to take you seriously. Theyre rookies, ofcorse they wont, and shouldnt, be able to do everything people who have been playing for years can! Why should a rookie corp with toons that should realistically be running C3s in drakes expect to be able to run capital escalations the same as old corps with 100mil SP pilots? Every game has a skill and learning curve, eve is no different. There's nothing wrong with being a rookie corp and doing lower end content in any area of EVE and WHs are no different. In EVE in general, and wspace especially, rookie corps should actually be rookie corps. If youre running cap escalations, hell, if you have caps at all, youre not really a rookie corp. BTW, the best way for rookies to get into wspace is to join an existing larger corp that is well established so that they can learn from people with experience. Maybe you should try it one day. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard 89	Posted - 2016.06.30 17:40:05 - [74] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Bleedingthrough wrote: Btw. I would love to hear how the right way to switch to a cap mid fight is? It is so easy to attack someone if you donGÇÖt really contribute to the discussion. DonGÇÖt be shy, if I missed something and gone full ****** I will admit this, I promise. No, you actually DON'T want to hear it which is why you're ignoring the obvious: The correct way to add a capital to an existing fight is to warp it in from wherever you have it sitting on standby with a fully functional pilot sitting in it ready to go. You're talking like someone who wants to play with the cool kids and their caps but you clearly can't accept what is actually required to fly caps successfully in wspace. People LOVE building caps in low end WHs, a LOT. However, 98% of people who build them there are completely wasting their time and money. I've been in active PVP WH corps since 2009 and ask me how many fights I've seen in C1-4 WHs where there were caps involved that were ultimately won by the group fielding the caps. Go on, ask me. Spoiler alert: zero. This is far from the number of caps ive killed in low end WHs btw. (yes, i know they probably exist but theyre extremely rare and far between.) Sure, call me elitist, call me a bittervet, call me whatever you like; none of it is going to change the fact that your sh!t fit T1 rigged cap with T2 mods isnt going to anything remotely useful when you warp out your logi pilots to go pick it up. In fact, It should make it back to the fight just in time to watch your enemy start looting while casually killing it. As for newbie corps in C5-6 space? why do you assume newbies are entitled to have all the same toys vets do? This sense of entitlement is why no one is ever going to take you seriously. Theyre rookies, ofcorse they wont, and shouldnt, be able to do everything people who have been playing for years can! Why should a rookie corp with toons that should realistically be running C3s in drakes expect to be able to run capital escalations the same as old corps with 100mil SP pilots? Every game has a skill and learning curve, eve is no different. There's nothing wrong with being a rookie corp and doing lower end content in any area of EVE and WHs are no different. In EVE in general, and wspace especially, rookie corps should actually be rookie corps. If youre running cap escalations, hell, if you have caps at all, youre not really a rookie corp. BTW, the best way for rookies to get into wspace is to join an existing larger corp that is well established so that they can learn from people with experience. Maybe you should try it one day. CCP gave players the means to pay for that "entitlement" with ISK and the new skill injectors (injectors - that make your years of skill training irrelevant). Experience is another issue - but - be it through trial & error or learning from other players their learning curve will be a lot shallower than yours was. However - This post was not about years of service Vs entitlement. It is about the 15 billion ISK price hike in the cost of a garage to park a Rorqual. At present it can be stored in a SMA at a dickstar and the Astrahus does not provide the promised functionality as its replacement. We have a garage and would like a reasonably priced replacement for it. Not a car-port where someone could steal it when we need to change drivers and we don't want to spend all our time sat in it parked at the curb.
Jack Miton Un.Reasonable 4904	Posted - 2016.07.01 00:03:28 - [75] - Quote Here's a solution for you: Delete your EVE account, everyone's issues solved immediately. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Bleedingthrough 209	Posted - 2016.07.01 06:23:25 - [76] - Quote Reichlich Luft zwischen den Ohren wrote: insults Not sure why he would think that "the reality" excludes the current farming meta nor why this angry kid thinks I deserve such insults. And Jack just confimed the point I made earlier in this thread about sitters (rofl) and brabbles some nonsense about others beeing too bad.
Winthorp 3847	Posted - 2016.07.01 06:31:58 - [77] - Quote I raised this issue at the very start of Citadels and nobody cared at all. HAHA
Jack Miton Un.Reasonable 4904	Posted - 2016.07.01 06:51:32 - [78] - Quote Winthorp wrote: I raised this issue at the very start of Citadels and nobody cared at all. That's probably because it's not an issue. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Jack Miton Un.Reasonable 4904	Posted - 2016.07.01 06:53:16 - [79] - Quote Iowa Banshee wrote: CCP gave players the means to pay for that "entitlement" with ISK and the new skill injectors (injectors - that make your years of skill training irrelevant). If you can afford a crap ton of skill injectors, you can probably afford a fortizar which cycles us back to no issue, move along. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard 92	Posted - 2016.07.01 21:31:41 - [80] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Iowa Banshee wrote: CCP gave players the means to pay for that "entitlement" with ISK and the new skill injectors (injectors - that make your years of skill training irrelevant). If you can afford a crap ton of skill injectors, you can probably afford a fortizar which cycles us back to no issue, move along. I can't afford loads of injectors or 17 Billion ISK for a Fortizar. The idea that an individual or small corp could afford a Fortizar to park a single ship is ridiculous - Just like the majority of eve solo/small corp players it is well out of my reach. We can afford an Astrahus where I could "Moor" my Rorqual -- as CCP promised -- before that option got throw out for the tether The tether - LOL - Apart from being a pretty animation for an extended dock-undock invulnerability - does what exactly?



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