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Ivelios d'Sanquine TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 16:51:44 - [1] - Quote There aint much to this post would just like to know when the carriers are to be nerfed. As it is now they are destroying smaller roaming gangs and solo pvp. ATM a carrier can insta lock and insta blab anything on grid thats cruiser sized or below, it dossent matter that u are a ceptor going 7000 ms sec in a 30km orbit or a tanked tec 3 dessie. U can even two hit an active tanked eos. Put a large bubble on a gate and sit 80,000 km off it in a carrier and insta **** that comes thru, its just rather OP atm. They might be balanced for big null sec fight but they are destroying small gang and solo pvp in smaller regions where they are dropped on everything and anything. Again, i like the interface and some of the things u can do with the new caps but as it stands the carrier is ruining content by denying fights all over new eden, so, when is it going to be fixed?
Galaxxis Unicorn Rampage 111	Posted - 2016.05.25 16:56:30 - [2] - Quote Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote: There aint much to this post would just like to know when the carriers are to be nerfed. As it is now they are destroying smaller roaming gangs and solo pvp. ATM a carrier can insta lock and insta blab anything on grid thats cruiser sized or below, it dossent matter that u are a ceptor going 7000 ms sec in a 30km orbit or a tanked tec 3 dessie. U can even two hit an active tanked eos. Put a large bubble on a gate and sit 80,000 km off it in a carrier and insta **** that comes thru, its just rather OP atm. They might be balanced for big null sec fight but they are destroying small gang and solo pvp in smaller regions where they are dropped on everything and anything. Again, i like the interface and some of the things u can do with the new caps but as it stands the carrier is ruining content by denying fights all over new eden, so, when is it going to be fixed? Oh look, another crybaby whining that his squirrel fart "fleet" can no longer easily take down a capital ship.
Ivelios d'Sanquine TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 16:59:58 - [3] - Quote Not really, im complaining about the fact that everything has a cyno nowadays and because of that cyno no fleet of 8 peeps or less can roam with the intent of having fun. Whoever has cap supperiority in a region will use those caps to kill every small gang they see by dropping on them and there is no counter to it. I dont mind being blobbed, i often solo pvp but i do mind not being able to counter what an enemy does
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:10:01 - [4] - Quote I thought Eve was supposed to be rick-paper-scissors. What's the scissors to whatever the OPs conplaining about?
Imalia Bloodlines Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 14	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:22:51 - [5] - Quote A small gang will always find good fights. And avoid carriers.
Ivelios d'Sanquine TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:25:04 - [6] - Quote Imalia Bloodlines wrote: A small gang will always find good fights. And avoid carriers. How can u avoid a cynoed in carrier with the locking speed of an interceptor and enough alpha to take out a plated cruiser
Elenahina The Scope Gallente Federation 880	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:25:13 - [7] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: I thought Eve was supposed to be rick-paper-scissors. What's the scissors to whatever the OPs conplaining about? More rocks. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Gregor Regulus Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:27:14 - [8] - Quote Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote: Imalia Bloodlines wrote: A small gang will always find good fights. And avoid carriers. How can u avoid a cynoed in carrier with the locking speed of an interceptor and enough alpha to take out a plated cruiser you cant if you're pointed. The same way you wouldn't be able to avoid a couple of black ops. You took the bait.
Ivelios d'Sanquine TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:27:47 - [9] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: I thought Eve was supposed to be rick-paper-scissors. What's the scissors to whatever the OPs conplaining about? More rocks. Invalid argument Im stating that small gangs and solo pvp'ers have no chance in this meta and your responds is bring more peeps? then it aint really a small gang or solo pvp.
Ivelios d'Sanquine TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:30:07 - [10] - Quote Gregor Regulus wrote: Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote: Imalia Bloodlines wrote: A small gang will always find good fights. And avoid carriers. How can u avoid a cynoed in carrier with the locking speed of an interceptor and enough alpha to take out a plated cruiser you cant if you're pointed. The same way you wouldn't be able to avoid a couple of black ops. You took the bait. But that means not fighting anything. u cant even kite due to the alpha of the carrier. We are not talking drake cyno bait here, anything will do as long as the cyno is lit EDDIT: blackops cant aplha u off the grid, they usually need a cov ops cyno to jump too unless u are prepared to have the "bait" sitting there for a long time and they are not well tanked.
Gregor Regulus Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:34:22 - [11] - Quote Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote: Gregor Regulus wrote: Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote: Imalia Bloodlines wrote: A small gang will always find good fights. And avoid carriers. How can u avoid a cynoed in carrier with the locking speed of an interceptor and enough alpha to take out a plated cruiser you cant if you're pointed. The same way you wouldn't be able to avoid a couple of black ops. You took the bait. But that means not fighting anything. u cant even kite due to the alpha of the carrier. We are not talking drake cyno bait here, anything will do as long as the cyno is lit EDDIT: blackops cant aplha u off the grid, they usually need a cov ops cyno to jump too unless u are prepared to have the "bait" sitting there for a long time and they are not well tanked. You're acting like hot dropping is something new. It's just that carriers became good hot dropping platforms after the patch . No matter what comes through the cyno your probability to survive has always been very low.
Galaxxis Unicorn Rampage 112	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:35:34 - [12] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: I thought Eve was supposed to be rick-paper-scissors. What's the scissors to whatever the OPs conplaining about? More scissors. Scissors cut paper. Scissors stab Rick in the face. Scissors always win!
Ivelios d'Sanquine TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:39:33 - [13] - Quote Gregor Regulus wrote: You're acting like hot dropping is something new. It's just that carriers became good hot dropping platforms after the patch . No matter what comes through the cyno your probability to survive has always been very low. U clearly have not been on the receiving end of this, nor have u done it after the patch so let me try to explain it to u. before the patch if u got dropped u could try to disengage, usually with a kity setup u would make it out and with a tanky ship u could wait a minut before takeing a gate, this is no longer and option. The carrier has a locking speed of an interceptor, the tracking of small autocannons and the alpha of a few tornadoes. There is no counter to this for a small gang or a solo pilot, u are dead. What this means is that the alliance with most caps in a region will use this tactic vs other in the region resulting in less fights because no one is willing to take a fight due to the carrier threat. This means less content for everyone
Ivelios d'Sanquine TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:40:48 - [14] - Quote Galaxxis wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: I thought Eve was supposed to be rick-paper-scissors. What's the scissors to whatever the OPs conplaining about? More scissors. Scissors cut paper. Scissors stab Rick in the face. Scissors always win! In chase u missed let me re-post: Invalid argument Im stating that small gangs and solo pvp'ers have no chance in this meta and your responds is bring more peeps? then it aint really a small gang or solo pvp.
Gregor Regulus Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:50:46 - [15] - Quote Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote: Gregor Regulus wrote: You're acting like hot dropping is something new. It's just that carriers became good hot dropping platforms after the patch . No matter what comes through the cyno your probability to survive has always been very low. U clearly have not been on the receiving end of this, nor have u done it after the patch so let me try to explain it to u. before the patch if u got dropped u could try to disengage, usually with a kity setup u would make it out and with a tanky ship u could wait a minut before takeing a gate, this is no longer and option. The carrier has a locking speed of an interceptor, the tracking of small autocannons and the alpha of a few tornadoes. There is no counter to this for a small gang or a solo pilot, u are dead. What this means is that the alliance with most caps in a region will use this tactic vs other in the region resulting in less fights because no one is willing to take a fight due to the carrier threat. This means less content for everyone neither have you judging from your kb.
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:53:51 - [16] - Quote hard the ** up man and stop crying like a baby. unsub or keep playing. just stop crying :) but in general... hard the ** up (hope it's written like this, english is not my first language) EVE is not and won't ever be fair.
Ivelios d'Sanquine TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:54:43 - [17] - Quote Gregor Regulus wrote: Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote: Gregor Regulus wrote: You're acting like hot dropping is something new. It's just that carriers became good hot dropping platforms after the patch . No matter what comes through the cyno your probability to survive has always been very low. U clearly have not been on the receiving end of this, nor have u done it after the patch so let me try to explain it to u. before the patch if u got dropped u could try to disengage, usually with a kity setup u would make it out and with a tanky ship u could wait a minut before takeing a gate, this is no longer and option. The carrier has a locking speed of an interceptor, the tracking of small autocannons and the alpha of a few tornadoes. There is no counter to this for a small gang or a solo pilot, u are dead. What this means is that the alliance with most caps in a region will use this tactic vs other in the region resulting in less fights because no one is willing to take a fight due to the carrier threat. This means less content for everyone neither have you judging from your kb. Learn to read a killboard if you are to be using them when arguing your point
Ivelios d'Sanquine TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:55:37 - [18] - Quote Soel Reit wrote: hard the ** up man and stop crying like a baby. unsub or keep playing. just stop crying :) but in general... hard the ** up (hope it's written like this, english is not my first language) EVE is not and won't ever be fair. again u are missing the point as they are now carriers are denying content, there is less fights because of them and thus less content
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1652	Posted - 2016.05.25 17:58:38 - [19] - Quote Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote: Elenahina wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: I thought Eve was supposed to be rick-paper-scissors. What's the scissors to whatever the OPs conplaining about? More rocks. Invalid argument Im stating that small gangs and solo pvp'ers have no chance in this meta and your responds is bring more peeps? then it aint really a small gang or solo pvp. I would have thought taht you need to work out the counter, just running around solo, did you kill a carrier before? In terms of small gang, it's a challenge as it should be, you need to up your game to kill it, running around and taking them down with small stuff is not going to do it. Are you upset about.people using them on gate camps, well I checked your alliance KB and found a couple of kills with carrier support against you and only one had greater than 0 DPS on it, the rest were killed by sub caps with 0 damage by the fighters. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Ivelios d'Sanquine TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 8	Posted - 2016.05.25 18:01:18 - [20] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: I would have thought taht you need to work out the counter, just running around solo, did you kill a carrier before? In terms of small gang, it's a challenge as it should be, you need to up your game to kill it, running around and taking them down with small stuff is not going to do it. Are you upset about.people using them on gate camps, well I checked your alliance KB and found a couple of kills with carrier support against you and only one had greater than 0 DPS on it, the rest were killed by sub caps with 0 damage by the fighters. U must not be looking hard enough, try again. We have used carriers and have had carriers used against us and this has made fountain a wierd place atm, few rats due to the cloaky campers and few pvp due to the carrier threat. Im not mad at it being hard to kill a carrier, im mad at them being used to insta everything on field within 1 sec of a lit cyno. They are denying small scale content
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7718	Posted - 2016.05.25 18:02:40 - [21] - Quote Oh good. Nullsec will become a wasteland again and I can use wormholes to get past the intel channels and go exploring in deep null without seeing another soul for weeks. Yesssss... hundreds of tiny nullsec SOV pockets with different time zones with the ebb and flow of player interest makes nullsec great and empty again. I support carriers blapping small gangs easily because the carrier that cynos out to some edge zone to get kills on that gang is not AFK ratting in the system in which I'm scanning and hacking. Because of course once that script "sees" someone else in local, they have to do something to protect that racket. Ah the good old days - except there were no SoE ships back then. Heck the concept of SoE ships were just artwork by a player named Nova Fox and players begging for exploration ships. It took years to get them. 2016: Making nullsec great again. (for me) Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Eli Stan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 490	Posted - 2016.05.25 19:38:15 - [22] - Quote As a member of a small-gang nullsec PvP group that lives near groups like INIT, OSS and -TC-, I can say that so far gatecamping and hotdropped carriers have been of no concern whatsoever.
Yarosara Ruil 333	Posted - 2016.05.25 20:11:03 - [23] - Quote When are they going to nerf carriers? Well... Not before they nerf Svipuls! Take that as you will!
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12124	Posted - 2016.05.25 20:19:33 - [24] - Quote Quote: There aint much to this post It's as if he could predict the content of this thread Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1652	Posted - 2016.05.25 20:37:35 - [25] - Quote Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote: Dracvlad wrote: I would have thought taht you need to work out the counter, just running around solo, did you kill a carrier before? In terms of small gang, it's a challenge as it should be, you need to up your game to kill it, running around and taking them down with small stuff is not going to do it. Are you upset about.people using them on gate camps, well I checked your alliance KB and found a couple of kills with carrier support against you and only one had greater than 0 DPS on it, the rest were killed by sub caps with 0 damage by the fighters. U must not be looking hard enough, try again. We have used carriers and have had carriers used against us and this has made fountain a wierd place atm, few rats due to the cloaky campers and few pvp due to the carrier threat. Im not mad at it being hard to kill a carrier, im mad at them being used to insta everything on field within 1 sec of a lit cyno. They are denying small scale content I checked the last two days, assuming something recently got your goat enough to post on GD. I thought you were heading towards commenting on cloaky campers, however if they drop carriers more fool them, because carriers now are better long range, note that the capital neuts work on sig radius so they don't completely overpower sub caps, you have to be prepared to escalate that drop. But how do they instra everything on field, fighters are just not hat good, yes they can kill stuff fast but those fighters are very vulnerable. To kill these carriers you have to go in with stufff to tank the fighters and some ships to rep them, you cannot use a kitchen sink fleet like before. It has to be brick tank T3's with logi. Yes excessive dropping is an issue and has been an issue many times in this game, but all you need to do is make them scared to drop because you have a counter drop or you have set up to kill their drops with the right sub caps. Yes I know it is easier said then done, but carriers should not die to solo destroyers or gangs of destroyers and they have made carriers a viable fun ship. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1229	Posted - 2016.05.25 20:57:58 - [26] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: When are they going to nerf carriers? Well... Not before they nerf Svipuls! Take that as you will! Can't handle the winmatar? Remember how the Sabre was top dog before the Svipul came along? Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Petrified Old and Petrified Syndication 392	Posted - 2016.05.25 21:10:43 - [27] - Quote Ivelios d'Sanquine wrote: Not really, im complaining about the fact that everything has a cyno nowadays and because of that cyno no fleet of 8 peeps or less can roam with the intent of having fun. Whoever has cap supperiority in a region will use those caps to kill every small gang they see by dropping on them and there is no counter to it. I dont mind being blobbed, i often solo pvp but i do mind not being able to counter what an enemy does Sounds like your issue has nothing to do with Carriers at all but with Cynos. Maybe you should repost requesting cynos to be nerfed? Or... maybe you should consider carrying a cyno and have friends with caps nearby to respond should you need it. Also: not everyone has a Network Sensor Array fitted to their carrier. Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.
Sustrai Aditua Irubo Kovu 231	Posted - 2016.05.25 21:53:03 - [28] - Quote Thursday. If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 303	Posted - 2016.05.25 23:04:16 - [29] - Quote So, when small gangs are pouncing on solo pvp'ers, that's okay, it's just bad luck of that poor soul. When an evil nasty carrier pounces on a small gang, it's a game busting thing that needs nerfed? I don't get the base logic you are using that says under a bil ISK small gang should be able to take on a 3+ bil ISK carrier. Money, skill and otherwise this makes no sense. I don't care how good of a cruiser/battle cruiser group you have on the oceans today, you run up against a carrier and you're toast. In the modern Navy, the carrier protection task force isn't there to intercept other surface ships, the carrier can deal with those, it's there to create a detection buffer zone against submarines. I don't see why EVE would be any different. If you really want to stop this, you need to 'get even' with the carriers by hunting them down and killing them. They are costly enough that you'd only do that kind of roaming if you have the ISK to burn. Set traps for them, hit them with your corporation or alliance. They are sitting ducks once the fighters are down. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7718	Posted - 2016.05.25 23:38:18 - [30] - Quote This is really an age-old problem. It boils down to: "Can there be one person in a high-ISK PWNmobile?" On the one hand, the time and investment of a carrier or any such large ship should have its rewards. This notion that everything must die when outnumbered appears to be mostly perpetuated by those who go out of their way to be that gate camp or small gang. It's as if they hold the 'bring friends' gospel so faithfully that anybody they meet and outnumber MUST lose, as if not being in a gang/corp/alliance is some kind of sin. How dare that SOLO player win!!!!!!! On the other hand, once you have a PWNmobile, they won't be alone. Then you have "20 carriers cynoing in on a lone drake" every time. Because as we all know, people are so afraid of (personal ) loss (that affects their own stats) it will get to a point where it's "PWNmobile or GTFO" and then "I'm not going alone so I can get trapped". By that point, it gets ridiculous. I predict we'll see what we have seen before: a dead nullsec. But as I said before, that was good for me and my playstyle. I can keep clear of AFK ratting carriers but "kill everything that moves" small gangs were always a bigger headache. It's always interesting to see how players react to the concept of a solo PWNmobile. There is a kind of religion around the idea of solo versus group play, the latter being more zealous, as their solution for everything is "make friends" and they despise solo or casual players. I'd still argue about whether or not a carrier pilot is solo considering the requirements, logistics, and ramifications of having one. It's not like they launch in Jita, plow through lowsec leaving wreckballs of small gangs in their wake, go ratting in null with reckless abandon, and then plow through gate camps on their way back to Jita to enjoy some steak and lobster while shopping for a new monocle. All while being in an NPC corp and having local chat shut off. Bring back DEEEEP Space!

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