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Zxenis Caldari Devious - Special Forces Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.08.24 21:24:00 - [91] You let a few illegals in and next thing ya know your hospitals and schools are overrun. Come in through legal means and all you have to worry about are the reds NBSI ftw. If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. Niccolo Machiavelli (1469 - 1527)
Director Stoned Band of Developers	Posted - 2007.08.28 04:59:00 - [92] Policy in my sapce is simple: NBQIIIIHOLYTRINTTTRI Not Blue Qusetion It, If It Is Hostile Or Locks You Then Run, If Not Then Try To Ransom It. There is a little more give and take then a direct NBSI policy but it's a little more flexible and allows you to make ISK better then the other policies i've encountered.
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:42:00 - [93] Am I the only one that finds it severely ironic that Star Faction members have been posting here how they are all about NRDS, yet Star Faction members regularly violate NRDS policies and attack anything they can when in providence? ---------- www.mototsume.ca It's just a game........Or is it?
redialer Minmatar The African Contingency Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.09.13 23:03:00 - [94] It's NBSOS, because these guys say one thing, do another.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:58:00 - [95] Originally by: MotoTsume Am I the only one that finds it severely ironic that Star Faction members have been posting here how they are all about NRDS, yet Star Faction members regularly violate NRDS policies and attack anything they can when in providence? Star Fraction is as pretty much everyone with any sense knows - absolutely NRDS. Providence on the other hand is full of organizations that take their lead from Slavers of the CVA and set people the CVA don't like to -10 KOS. This leads random people to shoot at the SF and consequence of this is that the random people get a -10 KOS from us and elevated to the position of targets for future engagements. If you have any questions about how your organization came to be -10 from the Star Fraction simply send an evemail to our diplomats and ask. We have very detailed records and in most cases we can pinpoint the date/time and even weapon types employed against our vessels that earned your -10 status. If you believe we have wrongfully fired on a neutral (ie an organization that hasn't previously fired on us) then feel free to provide details of the engagement either here, or in private discussion with our diplomatic staff. If we have made a mistake we will reimburse and apologise. Be aware though that unsubstantiated slurs without hard data will generally be dismissed as a work of CVA loyalist trolls attempting (without success) to besmirch the reputations of people who have practised NRDS without fail since the beginning of the capsule pilot Diaspora. So - lets have your data please. Star Fraction is recruiting
Adrian Steel Caldari The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.09.20 10:11:00 - [96] Unlike NRDS, NBSI is a self-fulfilling prophecy. As you fire on every neutral that comes to what you consider as "your space", they in turn will consider you an enemy. The chances then become higher that they send in a gang to retaliate. They lose ships and you lose ships: everyone loses. Then there are individuals like me who (before I joined Star Fraction) explicitly went into 0.0 space to have some target practice, because I knew that the locals there would consider me an enemy on sight. In cases where I knew the locals were NRDS, I would respect them and not fire on them, knowing they would do the same. I believe in free passage through the void. If you are going to insult me and prevent me this free passage by firing on my vessel, I will return in kind. Your hostility to those who have not pandered to you for standings only causes you headaches on the long term, to compensate for the short term ease of not having to bother with setting people as enemies who are truly your enemies. The easy way out will be your own undoing. Organizations like the Star Fraction have come about explicitly because NBSI policies have aggravated so many. Our very existence has caused you more harm. We are the firearm you hold, which you fire at your own feet. I've never seen such convoluted masochism as the NBSI policy.
Serenity Celestine Wrath Of Khaine Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.21 07:29:00 - [97] I see alot of NBSI alliances claiming they operate in such a way to keep it simple and keep hostiles/hostile alts out. They shoot anything that isnt blue that enters their space and dont consider it piracy cause they are "defending their space from (possible) hostiles" I cant say that I dont see a certain amount of logic in that, but I dont agree with how most carry that out. Pretty much all NBSI alliances that boarder 0.0 space set up gate camps with bubbles and kill anything that enters that isnt blue. This in my book is piracy. Its one thing to kill suspicious looking neutrals that have been hanging about just a little too long for comfort, in a system that is important to your alliances security. But most take it too far imo. At some point in their Eve career most pod pilots want to at least experience a little 0.0 space, so they plot a course for the nearest 0.0 system and hope for the best. All to often they meet their doom at the hands of and indiscriminate blob with way to many warp bubbles deployed. THIS IS PIRACY by just about any standards. Its one thing to be NBSI way out in 0.0 near HQ systems for security reasons, but entirely another to have a gank squad sitting at an entrance to 0.0 23/7. It is pretty easy to tell a noob looking for adventure from an alt spy, and typically noobs dont go way out into 0.0 and hang around strategically important systems, hostile alts/spies do. So I say to those alliances that use NBSI "to keep out hostiles" as an excuse to slaughter anything that enters 0.0, you are indeed pirates, and no better than the blob of 20 -10 sec status BS camping some random gate in low sec.
Arondor Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.21 16:27:00 - [98] Originally by: Adrian Steel Edited by: Adrian Steel on 20/09/2007 10:21:01 Unlike NRDS, NBSI is a self-fulfilling prophecy. As you fire on every neutral that comes to what you consider as "your space", they in turn will consider you an enemy, regardless of their original intentions. The chances then become higher that they send in a gang to retaliate. They lose ships and you lose ships: everyone loses. to me this seems like : everyone wins! pew pew
Hunters Presence Amarr Nuclear Engagement	Posted - 2007.09.27 18:50:00 - [99] Originally by: Serenity Celestine So I say to those alliances that use NBSI "to keep out hostiles" as an excuse to slaughter anything that enters 0.0, you are indeed pirates, and no better than the blob of 20 -10 sec status BS camping some random gate in low sec. Indeed... but it suits them to do so. Even if they didn't have this convenient excuse, they'd still do it.
Clerence Thomas Gallente Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.09.27 20:24:00 - [100] Having been around for a long time, simply put probably the best arrangement is a hybrid. NBSI in a protected, declared home space and NRDS in a more open "public" space. Personally, I am industry. I HATE "pew pew" with a passion, however since I live and work in 0.0 I depend on those that enjoy it to help me out. And don't for one minute think that because I don't like combat I won't be out there on the line defending my alliance when i'm needed. -- "There are over 500 million fire arms in worldwide circulation. That is one fire arm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is... How do we arm the other eleven?"

Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.27 20:41:00 - [101] We'd operate NRDS if everyone didn't shoot us wherever we go. : sad panda : Originally by: consider telos ..then we had a fight and he was so dead and then I like became champion of eve and then ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked me to go out with him on a date to mcD'
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.10.01 02:33:00 - [102] I'm a little late with this discussion.. but here goes anyways... There is no practical purpose for having any space claiming system besides NBSI. All variations of allowing neutrals into 0.0 have already been tried and they are at best an uphill struggle and at worst a catalyser for the hemorrhage of combat pilots, from ones alliance. Most combat pilots want to log onto the game, shoot stuff and have a good time.. period.. they do not wanna waste time playing diplomats in space and by allowing neutrals into your claimed space, you are effectively forcing every combat pilot to become a diplomat... and it gets old fast. The only entities that still harp on about neutrality in 0.0 are ideologues (e.g Jericho Fraction), role players (e.g CVA) and people who have little or no experience in 0.0
Jaeger J	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:19:00 - [103] Look if you can not understand the need to shoot anyone not 100% friendly when they enter your space then you spend way to much time in empire or have no clue just how valuable assets are in this game. Who the hell wants to deal with spy chars and random spam in your home area. The real question is why are people walking into a strangers house and acting suprised when they get boot?
Tzesaeia	Posted - 2007.10.07 13:10:00 - [104] Edited by: Tzesaeia on 07/10/2007 13:15:16 Edited by: Tzesaeia on 07/10/2007 13:13:56 As I read this post I miss one thing all the time: Humanity In the code of the Samurai: Bushido "by Inazo Nitobe" it is stated as one of the true essentials of beeing a warrior. Brave Honour Loyality Politness Sincerity Humanity Justice Although those are not binding to anyone not feeling as a warrior in the traditional manner, they bind all of you who quoted Sun Tzu and others to justify NBSI policy. Out of the traditional warrior philosophy NBSI is not acceptable. If you don't see this stop reading books and start the true way by getting a teacher and practising an art. All who practise NBSI because they are frightenend to get shot at first or to get spied at and act out of their fear are weak judging by traditional warrior philosophies. Weak in the hearts, ruled by their fear they are doomed to live a unhonourus life full of dissapointment and disssatisfaction. There victories won't fill them with true pride and their losses will produce more doubts and make them weaker. They'll get no pity neither of their enemies nor of anyone else. They'll always stay suspicous and cautious, even with their closest allies, what will on the other hand be feld by those and there allies will not fight fully hearted for them, as they won't for there allies. The bonds they once had will brake over those mistrustfulness and they will become lonely, isolated and weak. In the end they will fall. Fear is not a failure it is there to help you die when you should and live than you should. A true warrior fears war. While he is seeking for death he knows of the worth of life and what his power in life can change for him, his family and his lord. He always judges a situation and he will know, when it is time to die and, when it is time to life. He will never allow himself to be guided by his fear - his guide is in his heart, the way, his Sensei and his lord. A true warrior would never risk his life for no reason. Attacking anyone regardless if he is friend or foe or, if he at all is willing to fight you, is great foolishness. As it is even worse, if one lets himself be guided by his emotions esspecially by fear. You risk to die without reason. You can't anymore help your Lord when he is in real danger, you can't anymore defend you home form a true enemy. You died without purpose. You can bring this philosophy down to a real Eve situation. You see a neutral in the local channel scan for him and attack him. He kills you in selfdefence befor he could even try to tell you that he is comming without harmfull intends and that he just passed a enemy group of wich he thinks is going to attack your Space. He kills you befor you could talk with each other. You won't have the chance to fight his gang, since yor ships was destroyed and you woke up on a Station too far from the combat area. Several of your corp m8s get into the ambush of your enemy and die because nobody warned them. A even worse scenario would be that, because of your NBSI policies the neutral don't even considers to help you anymore, since he knows you are hostile to him whilst your enemy who might practises NRDS is not. So he helps your enemy by reporting that he met you instead of warning you. Even if you had overcome him and slaughtered him befor he could talk, in Eve, he is still able to report in a channel of your enemy. You're enemy will be ready for you and overcome you with ease or avoid you attacking someone else in your alliance or safely flying home, planning a new attack. In any case you loose while you could have won. Fear is never a good guide. Don't allow yourself to be ruled by it. It produces pain and leads into perdition. Instead let yorself be guided by your heart and an open mind. Be ready for every possibilty. Anyone can be friend or enemy even your closest associates. You have to think over possibilities in advance adn you'll be prepared for the actions of your fellow men. A true warrio
Tzesaeia	Posted - 2007.10.07 13:11:00 - [105] Edited by: Tzesaeia on 07/10/2007 13:11:33 reserved
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Sirrakhis VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.14 14:17:00 - [107] Not Blue Shoot It. i.e. - We don't have the patience and demeanor necessary to debate your legitimacy with you and find it far easier to shoot first and provoke a far more interesting (and hopefully action-packed) response. NBSI was specifically developed a couple years ago so we would be capable of shooting pilots of The Star Fraction without having to discuss and debate the legitimacy of doing with them for hours beforehand. There are vaults filled with data log detailing encounters where hundreds of good pilots were not armed with enough literacy to wage a battle of words, much less a war. This is a testament to The Star Fraction. Their ability to debate issues into eternity is matched only by their willingness to do so. NBSI was the natural reaction from the rest of EVE to alleviate a severe deficiency in wars of words...sadly, this often still holds true, and should in no way diminish The Star Fraction's accountability for forcing so many alliances in EVE to adopt this policy. We're discussing evolution of initiating combat, plain and simple. Your Friendly Neighborhood Whip-*****er
Adrian Steel Caldari The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:16:00 - [108] Originally by: Sirrakhis Not Blue Shoot It. i.e. - We don't have the patience and demeanor necessary to debate your legitimacy with you and find it far easier to shoot first and provoke a far more interesting (and hopefully action-packed) response. NBSI was specifically developed a couple years ago so we would be capable of shooting pilots of The Star Fraction without having to discuss and debate the legitimacy of doing with them for hours beforehand. There are vaults filled with data log detailing encounters where hundreds of good pilots were not armed with enough literacy to wage a battle of words, much less a war. This is a testament to The Star Fraction. Their ability to debate issues into eternity is matched only by their willingness to do so. NBSI was the natural reaction from the rest of EVE to alleviate a severe deficiency in wars of words...sadly, this often still holds true, and should in no way diminish The Star Fraction's accountability for forcing so many alliances in EVE to adopt this policy. We're discussing evolution of initiating combat, plain and simple. See! When Concord did anti-booster billboard campaigns aimed at pod pilots, it was with good reason. Many have lost their ability to verbalize themselves after taking Ibis-sized quantities of boosters into their bodies. It appears the boosters haven't affected your verbal expression in the slightest Sirrakhis. Unfortunately, you're still mentally deficient ! Remember rookies! Boosters kill brain cells!
Destable Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.15 01:21:00 - [109] /me grins at this whole thread. Hows that for even lower level verbalization? Really, whatever needs to be said on this subject has been said well by so many people, including myself, over the last 4.5 years that all have in me tonight is a chuckle that the discussion is still going on. Also amused at how the jabs remain so consistent to those with an opposing view. I'll personally bite again though. I love you guys kinda. Dest.
Desius VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:19:00 - [110] Originally by: Sirrakhis ....Their ability to debate issues into eternity is matched only by their willingness to do so. .... I thought you were talking about me for a minute there.... Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

redialer Minmatar The African Contingency Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.10.16 02:09:00 - [111] Still, Not Blue Shoot On Sight or NBSI :)
E Vile Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.18 06:07:00 - [112] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Claiming/controlling space takes a lot of effort, building and maintaining or defending infrastructure even more so. Random people coming in freeloading on your stuff and running whenever danger comes around the corner are very much disliked. Then theres of course spies and alt chars doing logistics. Agreed
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.11.05 22:24:00 - [113] Originally by: Serenity Celestine I see alot of NBSI alliances claiming they operate in such a way to keep it simple and keep hostiles/hostile alts out. They shoot anything that isnt blue that enters their space and dont consider it piracy cause they are "defending their space from (possible) hostiles" I cant say that I dont see a certain amount of logic in that, but I dont agree with how most carry that out. Pretty much all NBSI alliances that boarder 0.0 space set up gate camps with bubbles and kill anything that enters that isnt blue. This in my book is piracy. Its one thing to kill suspicious looking neutrals that have been hanging about just a little too long for comfort, in a system that is important to your alliances security. But most take it too far imo. At some point in their Eve career most pod pilots want to at least experience a little 0.0 space, so they plot a course for the nearest 0.0 system and hope for the best. All to often they meet their doom at the hands of and indiscriminate blob with way to many warp bubbles deployed. THIS IS PIRACY by just about any standards. Its one thing to be NBSI way out in 0.0 near HQ systems for security reasons, but entirely another to have a gank squad sitting at an entrance to 0.0 23/7. It is pretty easy to tell a noob looking for adventure from an alt spy, and typically noobs dont go way out into 0.0 and hang around strategically important systems, hostile alts/spies do. So I say to those alliances that use NBSI "to keep out hostiles" as an excuse to slaughter anything that enters 0.0, you are indeed pirates, and no better than the blob of 20 -10 sec status BS camping some random gate in low sec. The point is to kill the hostile alts BEFORE they get to strategicaly important systems. once they get in, it may be to late.


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