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Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:43:00 - [1] Since MC decided that they had to have a piece of 0.0 to stay competitive in the big boys' game, they have been constantly smacked for being in unca bob's pocket. However, noone seems to have any constructive ideas on how they should change things to be "true mercs" again. Should they sell/give their outposts to someone? What then? Should they build new ones in someone elses space and be in someone elses pocket instead? Should they conquer their own piece of 0.0 from another entity and be harassed there every time they go out for a job? Should they arrange for some other people to provide em with capital ships? But wouldn't people say that they would be in the other peoples pockets then? Or that the other people are their alts and thus they are in someone elses pocket? At the end of the day, its all nice and dandy to smack 'em for being bobs puppets but why don't you for a change tell us what they should do to "redeem themselves"? ps. please save this thread from "no need to do anything since they and bobsies are dead by tomorrow" opinions King Liu is RIGHT!!
Woodes Rogers Caldari Asur Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:48:00 - [2] 1st in a BoB thread.....
Sehanine Caldari Thirteen Monkeys	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:48:00 - [3] What would Brian Boitano do
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:50:00 - [4] move into an npc station like stain or curse and or buy their capitols knowledge is power.... guard it well
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:51:00 - [5] Doubt they can "redeem" themselves now. Unless they immideatly pull out and go to empire or only defend their own stations and stop aiding BoB in the war. They have been aiding BoB before ... hell they even have/had a POS in 9C for quite a while now. If they do this, everyone who has a little respect for them left will loose that as well. And i really doubt they will pull out, because you can say a lot about MC, they lie and make posts that insult the whole community, but you can't call them traitors or pansies. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
Lilyeth	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:51:00 - [6] They could join the coalition and kill the evil that is bob. Oh and btw I just heard that the southern and northern coalition decided to use newspeak to overcome the different languages. Goon's Minipax announced: fight vs bob is doubleplusgood! "My Cheapness Sells" - Caritew, Chinafarmer
Faithless F Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:52:00 - [7] Just admin that they are not mercs anymore?
Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:52:00 - [8] It's not possible to stay neutral if you want zerospace. And CCP made it so that zerospace is a requirement. If you ask me, the MC should never have ventured into owning their own space - whomever they struck a deal with would always have them as their pets. Choosing BoB, all theories in Seleene's post aside, is the plain smart choice. Was back then, will probably be in the near future. With that step, however, MC gave up her neutrality. Whatever the real truth behind things is, your reputation and neutrality are determined by public opinion. Not by what you think of it yourself. No epic Seleene announcement is gonna change that. That's just my neutral PoV. Originally by: "Cy4n1d3" You can't PVP with 4 mids.
Founder Meo Gallente Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:55:00 - [9] in all honesty if they fight well enough bob might just give em some space.
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Founder Meo in all honesty if they fight well enough bob might just give em some space. rofl... --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:57:00 - [11] What should they do....????? In the words of Evil Thug..... DIE! WildCat
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:58:00 - [12] A large part of it, I feel, is the decision by MC, or by BoB, or by both of them not to have MC shown on the map. If MC were shown to "own" their own space then it would have been easier to establish the impression that they were not in BoBs pocket. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Wonder Mike The Sugarhill Gang	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:00:00 - [13] Originally by: DHB WildCat What should they do....????? In the words of Evil Thug..... DIE! WildCat more dots!! more dots!!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:00:00 - [14] The truth is that with the direction the game has taken towards sovereignty maintenance and the need for Capital ships galore to retain or affect sovereignty claims, there is nothing MC can do. To be a true mercenary entity with a replenishable capital ship fleet is nearly impossible in EVE's environment. To have a replenishable capital fleet you need real estate, and when you aquire real estate you nail your feet to the ground. The only possible way to achieve some degree of indpendence for a mercenary entity would be to adopt a 'locust' type existance. This would entail moving to a region taking over existing outposts make isk for capital fleets and then take a contract.. rinse and repeat but always relinquishing the real estate when taking a contract. Anything other than a 'locust' type setup and the mercenary entity is effectively a private army for its host.. whether they wish it or not. MC even without wanting it... became an extenstion of BoB's military muscle... if only because they were never used against them.
Taison Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:01:00 - [15] U know - there is a problem. Yah i've read Seleens post and so on....BUT. There is 1 problem. By accepting living and building in BoB space - MC actually left the real merc buisiness. For 1 reason. Anyone wanting to strike on THEM would instatly have to deal with BoB. couse its BoB space. MC could have conquered some space without much trouble. And be true mercs. But they have choosen the easy way - attacking anyone on contract but having a safe BoB space as their harbour. Cuz noone would declare on BoB to attack MC. Thats the moment they stopped beeing mercs and became BoB pets. There are not many real mercs left - Kia seems actually the only big merc corp left... Sad it is..
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:01:00 - [16] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 27/02/2007 21:58:14 ....................................................
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:02:00 - [17] They should never have built the outposts down in BoB space in the first place. The second they did they lost their neutral thingie forever (although, they had previous ties to evol). If they wanted to, as their statement says, stay selfsufficient and get a home, they'd only have had to look at the map. It's not rocket science. They would need an area where they had direct access to empire space, and without cutting anyone else off. The only possible area was the geminate/vale of the silent, where they perhaps would have had to initially throw out some locals but then have an arena where they would not be bound by anything. But then again, they weren't and aren't strong enough to hold their own if the **** rly hits the fan, so that means they couldn't go into outposts at all. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Gutsani The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:03:00 - [18] Originally by: DHB WildCat What should they do....????? In the words of Evil Thug..... DIE! WildCat tbh, that is prolly a good solution. Apart from that .. idunno. Everyone knows there is no such thing as a "neutral" entry. However if you aim to be it, you might as well buy stuff from TRUST. No commercial or **, but they dont care who they sell it to or if you shoot em with it, they just do it. If you think about it, mercenary's do not own stuff because it makes em vulnerable. And to defend it then, they have to be verry strong. But at the same time, you will be the big enemy then and noon will hire you. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!**
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Nez Perces The truth is that with the direction the game has taken towards sovereignty maintenance and the need for Capital ships galore to retain or affect sovereignty claims, there is nothing MC can do. To be a true mercenary entity with a replenishable capital ship fleet is nearly impossible in EVE's environment. To have a replenishable capital fleet you need real estate, and when you aquire real estate you nail your feet to the ground. The only possible way to achieve some degree of indpendence for a mercenary entity would be to adopt a 'locust' type existance. This would entail moving to a region taking over existing outposts make isk for capital fleets and then take a contract.. rinse and repeat but always relinquishing the real estate when taking a contract. Anything other than a 'locust' type setup and the mercenary entity is effectively a private army for its host.. whether they wish it or not. MC even without wanting it... became an extenstion of BoB's military muscle... if only because they were never used against them. Ok then, we actually have an idea here: locust. King Liu is RIGHT!!
Faithless F Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Originally by: Nez Perces The truth is that with the direction the game has taken towards sovereignty maintenance and the need for Capital ships galore to retain or affect sovereignty claims, there is nothing MC can do. To be a true mercenary entity with a replenishable capital ship fleet is nearly impossible in EVE's environment. To have a replenishable capital fleet you need real estate, and when you aquire real estate you nail your feet to the ground. The only possible way to achieve some degree of indpendence for a mercenary entity would be to adopt a 'locust' type existance. This would entail moving to a region taking over existing outposts make isk for capital fleets and then take a contract.. rinse and repeat but always relinquishing the real estate when taking a contract. Anything other than a 'locust' type setup and the mercenary entity is effectively a private army for its host.. whether they wish it or not. MC even without wanting it... became an extenstion of BoB's military muscle... if only because they were never used against them. Ok then, we actually have an idea here: locust. I don't see how this idea is any better than mine :(
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:13:00 - [21] How about low-sec POSes only and pretending to buy the motherships instead of pretending to build them and needing 0.0 sovereign space? How hard is to defend several POSes with a 300 member dedicated PvP capital capable alliance? Or am I asking too much? I think MC knew very well what they were doing, as they know now... if you know what I mean. Anyway, little does it matter what we think. The common lot has its intelligence frequently insulted.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:18:00 - [22] I think they should shoot everybody who flames them in the face. Short, simple and satisfying.
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:22:00 - [23] They should do as they do now , just not pretend to be neutrals? Doesnt matter much either way does it? you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:22:00 - [24] Edited by: R''adeh on 27/02/2007 22:23:56 Originally by: Taison U know - there is a problem. Yah i've read Seleens post and so on....BUT. There is 1 problem. By accepting living and building in BoB space - MC actually left the real merc buisiness. For 1 reason. Anyone wanting to strike on THEM would instatly have to deal with BoB. couse its BoB space. MC could have conquered some space without much trouble. And be true mercs. But they have choosen the easy way - attacking anyone on contract but having a safe BoB space as their harbour. Cuz noone would declare on BoB to attack MC. Thats the moment they stopped beeing mercs and became BoB pets. There are not many real mercs left - Kia seems actually the only big merc corp left... Sad it is.. As much as it pains me to say it because I have some people I consider friends in MC (Spacebar, Waagaa, Eleese, etc.), that pretty much summarizes my feelings too. If you wanna be truely independent, and be perceived as that, you NEED to be independed from anyone else. Sad imo, I always looked at the MC as a pretty cool, neutral, entity...but their move down to BoB space (and yes, it was the easy way out imo) was just wrong considering they're supposed to be "neutral" mercs EDIT: Imo the only way out would be if they lock of their systems and barricade themselves in for a few weeks till the mess is over. They should just declare that they'll shoot ANYONE entering their constellation, including BoB. And they should demand to get mentioned on the map, after all, they have 3 outposts, and if they're truly independent they should be their own masters...if they don't show up on the map, they're BoB's tenants, and ultimately pets...as sad as that is. PS: @MC, you DON'T need BoB, you're cooler than them!! _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp.
Crystal Starbreeze Happy Hungry Hippos	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:45:00 - [25] Edited by: Crystal Starbreeze on 27/02/2007 22:45:30 I love this idea Too gain the eve universe trust that they are truely independant they should hold a PUBLIC AUCTION for their services. Offer the auction in two weeks This would force the coalitions to get organized and come up with a incentive package and estimated value in which they are willing to bid for their service against BOB. This would be entirely public, no hidden agreements so everybody knows the price and what each alliance/friends are willing to wager. BOB and the Coalition/north bid and counterbid until the best offer wins. This would be extremely profitable for MC I imagine and the wining bidder gets MC help till either side wins. I think it would be fun and if outside bids would be accepted into the total winning side the pot grows bigger and bigger. For example I want to sweeten the offer for MCS help with the North by adding to the initial offer 200m isk out of my own pocket and 3 battleships say. I would be able to pledge my support and assuming a winning bid i would be obligated to give MC financial offer my bid. We would have to work on neutral escrow party and maybe with CCP help it could be fair and scam free. It would take a bit of planning but would be fun, ensure fairness and educational. Yeah logistics wise might be an issue but I would be willing to help planning something like this. What do you think ...inovative or extremly bad idea The more i think about the only winner in this is MC really. I know lots of people that arent affiliated with major alliances but wish they could afford Mercs to attack BOB. this would allow these small corps, etc to get involved that together have the resources but alone do not. It would have to be entirely public.
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:52:00 - [26] @ Starbreeze : Beautiful, but the dice were rolled and they only had one facet to start with. Gn!
Caillech Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:52:00 - [27] Edited by: Caillech on 27/02/2007 22:49:31 The locust idea holds merit: Swarm 40 capitals and support on a weakly defended outpost Squat and hold the system while cranking out capitals for two months Sell outpost shells to highest bidder Pick up stakes/POSs, move to Empire, take a few fun contracts rinse repeat Problem is they are preying upon weak alliances, usually their clients who are not Bob. So pretty soon all they have left are big alliances and are back to politics. Another option is, "Will work for capitals" - take payments in the form of capital ships. How many builders want to pay MC with Motherships that might be raping their fleet tomorrow, though?
Crystal Starbreeze Happy Hungry Hippos	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:55:00 - [28] I posted a seperate post but i do believe that with an auction liek this MC would make more than they ever dreamed and I really do trust they are stand up people that would hold to the agreement regardless of current events and opinions
Mah Kraah Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.27 23:03:00 - [29] conquer there own bit of 0.0 and build a base and stay independant? well the natur of mercbuissiness is that they have to leave that base and go to all parts of the map for extended times for the contracts. guess they would have lost the base all the time bevore they return . the only option for mc to have a outpost - pos base in 0.0 is by planting it in another alliance controled space. may it be bob red lv d2, doesnt matter, any other location would mean they loose the base in every contract as they would not be at home to defend it. at the time they decided top errct a industrial 0.0 base red was drawn back badly d2 contract targets and lv a warzone, bob had large parts of empty space and MC took the oportunity to take the best offer and settled there barly a other option at that time i guess. now the whole world whant to kill bob and they will suffer for it, thats life. doubt the development was forseenable at the time they took that decission. bob pets!!! ???? think again, the world is not black and white, in fact there is not the smallest parts pure white or black, its countless shades of grey but that seems to be to complicated for many. they like to continue the witchhunt they started, but whatch out you who point at ppl, may someone discover that the last bs u bought was manufactured by a bob alt!!! u clearly support bob!!! u must die!!!!!!!!!
Dragutinovic Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.02.27 23:05:00 - [30] Look at KIA . _____________ Im back !

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