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Varheg Xan
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.28 04:17:00 -
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I love how many experts there are in neutrality here on the EVE O forums. Are all you guys from Switzerland or something?
Give it rest. Stop believing your own propoganda.
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Exekias
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.28 04:34:00 -
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It sure is flattering that so many people seem concerned with our welfare, ideology, and in-game activities. Heh. Normally I don't post much in CAOD, but this thread seems a cut above, so I'll answer your question, Liu.
The whole definition that "true mercs" are pure, neutral entities is really quite laughable to me; in fact the reverse is true. Mercenaries are paid not be neutral. When payment is received, a mercenary's loyalty aligns itself to that of the client, for the duration of the contract.
Now with regard to the MC, most of our pilots have been around in-game a long time. Most have at one time or another been members of various "living" and "dead" alliances throughout Eve, and most have friends all over the current map. Some have been members of BoB; others have been members of alliances that have been vehemently anti-BoB. For example, I know of quite a few MC members who are veterans of FA and VC, a couple alliances you may have heard of ;)
It is true that certain individual MC members have quite strong opinions regarding certain in-game issues, causes, and conflicts. Some have made frequent posts in support of their personal "favorites" in various conflicts. Here's the rub: I absolutely can guarantee that each and every member of the MC, when the wallet flashes and Seleene says "go", will fight to their utmost for whatever target is called, regardless of their personal views, their past history in-game, or their personal like or dislike for certain groups. I have never seen it happen, but if a certain individual did not behave like this, I have no doubt they would immediately be shown the door.
If a group believes otherwise, and chooses not to hire us because they perceive us to have some underlying loyalties, well, frankly, that's their problem. We stand by our word, and have two years of completed contracts as testament that when payment is made, we will do the job to our utmost ability for the duration of our contract. That is all any potential client needs to know about the MC. We have had no shortage of potential clients to date; if that changes in the future, doubtless we will as an organization have to adapt.
In the current hyper-polarized climate, it has become popular--or perhaps politically convenient--for certain people to engage in wild speculation, rumor-mongering and propagandizing regarding the loyalties and ties of the MC (among many other subjects of which I am sure you are well aware, and need not be mentioned here). Again, if these views cloud their judgment and prevent them from hiring us, admiring us, or liking us, that is their problem. We aren't here to be held up as some Platonic ideal of mercenary behavior; we are here to punch our targets in the throat and steal their wallets.
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Celestal
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Posted - 2007.02.28 04:43:00 -
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seleene should shave his beard off as its giving db preacher nappy rash
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Sun Win
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.02.28 04:50:00 -
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I find it so interesting that MC feels that they were put in the position of having to work for BoB in this war because no one asked them to do otherwise. But from my understanding from all of the recurring "What would it take for the MC to turn on BoB" threads that have come up over and over again, the message always seemed to be "people have asked, but no one ever gave us a serious enough offer, no we won't tell you what a serious enough offer might consist of."
And I keep thinking about this friend I had that was ALWAYS too busy to make it out to anything that we invited him to. After a certain number of no shows, people in our group just stopped even bothering to ask.
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Caillech
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.28 05:36:00 -
[65]
Well, so what? I mean, if they are to be believed, nobody has beaten Bob's offer to date. Do they care? It's the best that the market is providing.
Anyway, back on topic:
I don't know if they have to do anything. If Bob wins or draws, great - they are part of the new hegemony or take contracts in the in-fighting sure to occur down the road. If they lose, and MC loses their space, what does it matter? They're out a few POSs, and the outposts will always be there. They can strike a similar deal with someone else or just sell out to the highest bidder. Say what you want, a lot of people are going to be in the market for those caps if and when Bob dies, outposts or no outposts, neutrality or no neutrality.
It kind of seems to me like they have a no-lose situation here.
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.28 05:43:00 -
[66]
 Originally by: Julien Derida
Edited by: Julien Derida on 28/02/2007 03:36:08
Originally by: Graalum
Many people might not have noticed it, but you should have, geminate cleared out pretty well about april last year, right as you invaded blue space. CI pretty much held geminate alone for a while. Its not the best space, but certainly capable of building capitals in, and very politically neutral.
Our first outpost in Period Basis was already up by that time. There was no going back once that was done.
That could be, my chronology was a little sketchy for the time period, but regardless, geminate had been empty for a while leading up to TBB contract.
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Samiloth Justinian
AirHawk Alliance
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 06:02:00 -
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MC’s problem isn’t really if they are in BoB’s pocket or not. It is how others perceive them. MC is well aware of this. MC has an image they have invested in, and that image is important for business and the identity of the alliance. To quote Cyberpunk 2020: Style over substance.
It is pointless to argue if MC really is a pet alliance to BoB or not due to the fact that they live in their space and thus must ask for insane amount of ISK to make it worth for them to attack BoB. All that matters is that many people believe they are BoB pets and thus a threat for those who don’t wish long life and happiness to BoB.
To safe guard the image of MC seems to have been important to MC, at least from the enjoyable threads I have seen them make on this forum. It makes perfect sense since it is good for their business. No matter how you spin this, the fact is that the decisions made by MC in the past (living with BoB, contracts etc) have lead to many perceiving them as BoB pets and a threat. They made a miscalculation somewhere on the way. If they are BoB pets or not doesn’t really matter at the moment, people will have their view of MC, things can not be undone and it will take time to let their (future) action speak for them.
Basically, the guy in the propaganda and social engineering department screwed up since people have reason to perceive them as they do. The only thing they can do is play the game as they wish and hope their actions will remedy their current situation.
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MOS DEF
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.28 07:08:00 -
[68]
Aa a mercenary alliance they are supposed to be neutral. They should never even thought of holding territory or building outposts.
If they wouldn't sit on BOBs lap for ages noone would calle em BOB lapdogs maybe.
The fact that they are living in bob space makes their statement "we fight bob if the offer is right" a joke.
They could simply say "it's not enough" everytime until they get forced to fight for bob.
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Pallidum Treponema
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 07:28:00 -
[69]
It doesn't require "insane amounts" of ISK at all, to be honest.
"Hey, MC! We're going to defeat BoB and here's how we're gonna do it. You're going to help us out by doing this, this and this. In exchange, you'll get to keep your outposts when we've moved in, oh and here's a mothership/titan/ibis to help you do this. If it survives the war, keep it. Oh, and you'll also be able to buy capships from us at build cost for this contract and the forseeable future. kkthxbye!"
MC gets to keep their outposts <150 bil value>, gets a mommy <30 bil value> and capships at build cost <let's say 20 bil value>. The actual cost? 30 bil for a 200 bil value contract, essentially.
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.28 07:31:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Pallidum Treponema
It doesn't require "insane amounts" of ISK at all, to be honest.
"Hey, MC! We're going to defeat BoB and here's how we're gonna do it. You're going to help us out by doing this, this and this. In exchange, you'll get to keep your outposts when we've moved in, oh and here's a mothership/titan/ibis to help you do this. If it survives the war, keep it. Oh, and you'll also be able to buy capships from us at build cost for this contract and the forseeable future. kkthxbye!"
MC gets to keep their outposts <150 bil value>, gets a mommy <30 bil value> and capships at build cost <let's say 20 bil value>. The actual cost? 30 bil for a 200 bil value contract, essentially.
Maybe it works like that in KIA, but we all know that it doesnt work like that in MC 
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Noggy
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 07:33:00 -
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Quote:
Aa a mercenary alliance they are supposed to be neutral. They should never even thought of holding territory or building outposts.
If they wouldn't sit on BOBs lap for ages noone would calle em BOB lapdogs maybe.
The fact that they are living in bob space makes their statement "we fight bob if the offer is right" a joke.
They could simply say "it's not enough" everytime until they get forced to fight for bob.
Bingo..
Thats an Outbreak member saying this as well.
I dont know why there are two posts on this. I don't know who MC are trying to kid but no one is falling for it. Having a POS in hostile space and then being Martry when people get killed by their pos.
As they said, their POS is still there. Razor could of removed that a long time ago if we wanted to but we didn't yet they still use that excuse to take sides.
They were offered large cash to take on BOB before and they refused, yet they take on contracts to attack the North for "FREE".
Come on now.. Seriously? Who are we trying to fool here? MC have not been neutral at any point and thats why no one approached them from the Northern Coalition.
Its not rocket science folks!
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Primer Xenius
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.28 08:23:00 -
[72]
Quote:
The fact that they are living in bob space makes their statement "we fight bob if the offer is right" a joke.
Agreed.
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Ryjack
Minmatar
Black Hole Creations
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Posted - 2007.02.28 08:24:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Exekias
When payment is received, a mercenary's loyalty aligns itself to that of the client, for the duration of the contract.
What happens if the target is your landlord? You simply realign your loyalties and your ex-target/landlord just forgives and forgets?
I don't think the MC are stupid enough to believe that and I strongly doubt anyone in any of the alliances who might have hired the MC against BoB believes that either.
Add to that the fact that all previous offers made have been publicaly called trivial, makes any prospective contractor anywhere from shy to downright suspicious.
If you get right down to brass tacks and figure out numbers for which you were sure (as far as ISK goes) of having MC sign up:
a) The cost of all their POSes and their mods. (or a relocation plan)
b) Compensation for other jeopardized assets. (or a relocation plan)
c) Operations and risk coverage (ie:ammo usage, ship losses, etc...)
d) Weekly pay
e) and a sure-fire plan, like "Do nothing! Lock up your systems and sit tight while we take care of BoB"
The cost of all that for the actual help it would render would be astronomical and probably better used in any of would-be contractor's own navies.
But all that being said, on the matter of perception, who's to say that hasn't already been offered and rejected out of hand and called an unserious offer?
That's right, no one because the MC doesn't make public any kind of reference to their pay schemes/rates.
People rarely know who hires the MC and at what cost and this hazy business model may have given the MC the upper hand in choosing contracts and pay, but it has seriously hurt their public image as a serious group of guns-for-hire by anyone that has the ISK, even more so with their previous tenancy arrangements than might have otherwise been.
I think MC's best bet initially would have been to carve out it's own tiny spot under the 0.0 sun and keep a standing homeguard, while the fleet is away on contracts.
Under current circumstances, MC's choices are victims of their own image, but it was forged by their own actions.
It's just too bad they were not able to maintain the political side of their image as well as the business side (of a gun of course).
My 0.2 cents
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Death Merchant
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.28 08:42:00 -
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The MC/BoB relationship became too close once it became secret. By keeping everyone in the dark about their "arrangement", Every contract MC took against a bob enemy became suspect. I believe if MC would have came out and just said, our arrangement with BoB is to do 4 weeks of contracts a year no matter who the target in order to keep our space. The other 48 weeks are open and we are free to attack whomever we like. BoB has assured us that they do not hold us personably responsible for any attacks on them that are paid for by an outside party. Then the entire community would both a)see the benefit of this relationship b) not suspect MC of being bobs (im tired of using the lapdog phrase) ho's for the entire year. c) possibly come with a viable alternative to attacking BoB that involved the MC's massive capital fleet.
However no one but the higher ups in both alliances know what the deal truly is. Its been alot of trust me its not what you think. Also the fact that any BoB contract has been either flatly dismissed or critiqued so much that its dimissed eventually doesn't help. Also, because of "fair and honorable" dealings with each other that has seen then both rise to superpower level, they have become so intertwined in their mutual respect lovefest that they are allies by default. It was inevitable from the start. Also from the start the same questions have remained.
1) How does MC pay BoB?
2) Is there a no attack BoB clause?
3) Does MC tell BoB everytime an alliance asks about attacking them?
4) Is MC actually a secret non political extenstion of BoB?
So in summary from my perspective:
I dont blame MC for siding "officially" with BoB. There was never any doubt that was going to happen.
MC shouldn't blame anyone for thinking theyre bobs lapdogs.
Im sure MC feels alot better now that they dont have to pretend to be neutral anymore.
Win or lose this is gonna be great regardless.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
mega mining corporation
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.28 08:56:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
How about low-sec POSes only and pretending to buy the motherships instead of pretending to build them and needing 0.0 sovereign space? How hard is to defend several POSes with a 300 member dedicated PvP capital capable alliance?
I'd imagine it's pretty damn hard when an alliance of a few thousand decide to come after you, and they can bring blobs that outnumber your entire alliance.
This has already happened 2-3 days ago while 3 Coalition dreads attacked a low-sec MC POS. What did MC do? They came and defended the POS. That wasn't the so hard, wasn't it?
Besides, what would be the purpose of attacking a powerful independent non-biased mercenary force that lives in no-man-land and it's not politically involved?
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
mega mining corporation
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.28 09:08:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Varheg Xan
I love how many experts there are in neutrality here on the EVE O forums. Are all you guys from Switzerland or something?
Give it rest. Stop believing your own propoganda.
It's better to believe one's self propaganda, than to believe others' propaganda and get misled so others succeed in their purpose with no benefit for you.
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pershphanie
The Ancient Race
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Posted - 2007.02.28 09:18:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Since MC decided that they had to have a piece of 0.0 to stay competitive in the big boys' game, they have been constantly smacked for being in unca bob's pocket. However, noone seems to have any constructive ideas on how they should change things to be "true mercs" again.
Should they sell/give their outposts to someone? What then?
Should they build new ones in someone elses space and be in someone elses pocket instead?
Should they conquer their own piece of 0.0 from another entity and be harassed there every time they go out for a job?
Should they arrange for some other people to provide em with capital ships? But wouldn't people say that they would be in the other peoples pockets then? Or that the other people are their alts and thus they are in someone elses pocket?
At the end of the day, its all nice and dandy to smack 'em for being bobs puppets but why don't you for a change tell us what they should do to "redeem themselves"?
ps. please save this thread from "no need to do anything since they and bobsies are dead by tomorrow" opinions
MC should just admit they are all bob alts and get it over with. Everyone already knows.
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.02.28 09:35:00 -
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Setting up in the space of any of the political entities makes a conflict of interest. It is that conflict of interest which will forever cast doubt on neutrality. After all you can't really move against the sovereign of your space without facing their wrath.
It is clear that they felt they needed a secure supply line. One that could provide their own capitals. Thus they only had two choices, either one build their own or two buy from others. All military forces have to have a supply line.
Both ways are difficult in EVE. I'm not sure they could have chosen any area of space where they would not have been perceived to be on one side or another of a conflict.
However since moving to their current location they have not taken any contracts against BoB or BoB's satellite alliances. This I'm sure has been of necessity to protect their investment in Stations, Outposts, and construction yards.
It further enhances the thought that they are not neutral.
In short they really had no choice once they settled down. Outposts cannot be moved. POSs are diffucult to move. Thus really the only option to have maintained neutrality might have been as the new areas opened up for them to have moved to a remote corner of it.
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Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services
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Posted - 2007.02.28 09:45:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
I dont think MC cares about, what the EVE community think
I think so too. But they still claim to be mercs. So hth do they ever want to get contracts again after your side is evaporated? If they wanted to stay mercs they in fact had to care about what people think of them. The fact they don't shows pretty much what has happened to them.
So in the end they will just die. Be it because of defeat or because running out of business. They pushed the wrong buttons.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.02.28 10:07:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
I dont think MC cares about, what the EVE community think they should do...they will carry on doing what they do best...kill those who stand in their way
Oh they did.
I don't think any entity has been producing anywhere near as much videos, contract announcements, contract reports, battlereports and general forum ****ing.
And for a good reason.
MC was completely dependent on what the community thought about them.
Ultimately, they failed with their propaganda, which was only a matter of time, since as I said in the announcement thread:
1. Since you release zero information about your business (in terms of isk and objectives), nothing you say has any value.
2. Entering a "business agreement" with the strongest alliance to "be able to stay self-sufficient" is quite a paradox.
At this point, where they could no longer uphold any image of being 'neutral mercs' they really didn't have any option but to give in and close down their merc business.
And ofc, from now on they don't have to care about what the EVE community think - which is well reflected in the lack of MC posts in the threads about them.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
mega mining corporation
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.28 10:09:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Primer Xenius
Quote:
The fact that they are living in bob space makes their statement "we fight bob if the offer is right" a joke.
Agreed.
Actually it's more than that, making a statement like "We attack XXX if the offer is right." disregarding any other bindings to XXX and when the minimum offer is not public, it means the mercenary entity is somehow attached to XXX and has reasons not to accept a contract against them...
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.28 13:39:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Eternal Fury
My response to the OP's question is this.
What business is it of ours?
Oh, sorry, Sir. I forgot that only alliance leaders and known smack-alts are allowed to start new threads in this section. 
The point of this thread was not to discuss whether MC is neutral now or before. The point is to share opinions on how a modern merc army can sustain both neutrality and capital-size ability at the same time. And if you think that MC took the wrong route when they built those outposts in bob space, what should they (or any other merc entity in a similar position) do now?
And to you people saying that MC won't care about the public opinion, wtf, of course they care. Public opinion is the most important asset any merc corp has. If everyone is at war against bob and people think that they are in bobs pocket, then noone except bob will hire them, right?
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.28 13:51:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Kespii on 28/02/2007 13:48:18
You should all stop making the broad assumption that just because MC lives in BoB space, they have to do their bidding for a number of weeks. You all state the assumption that BoB wouldnt let a neutral pvp entity live in its space, but that is just an assumption. Let me guess, you guys also believe in the assumption of intellegent design too? Some people believe in it regardless of evidence and proof. If you do, then it's no wonder you believe in this tin foil crap.
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spoon2
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.28 13:57:00 -
[84]
Originally by: MOS DEF
Aa a mercenary alliance they are supposed to be neutral. They should never even thought of holding territory or building outposts.
If they wouldn't sit on BOBs lap for ages noone would calle em BOB lapdogs maybe.
The fact that they are living in bob space makes their statement "we fight bob if the offer is right" a joke.
They could simply say "it's not enough" everytime until they get forced to fight for bob.
Whos says Mercs have to be neutral? what a load of crap. If a Merc corp gets the majority of its work from one side of the equation what do they have to gain by cutting off their main resource.
Lets face it fighting with BoB is always going to provide you with plenty of targets, more targets equals more fun and the majority side is the coalition, most of MC's pilots love to blow things up.
No idea what they will do, will they back up one of the war frontlines or will they attack coalition space and stations, my isk is on the later and btw GL MC.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
mega mining corporation
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:13:00 -
[85]
Originally by: spoon2
Originally by: MOS DEF
Aa a mercenary alliance they are supposed to be neutral. They should never even thought of holding territory or building outposts.
If they wouldn't sit on BOBs lap for ages noone would calle em BOB lapdogs maybe.
The fact that they are living in bob space makes their statement "we fight bob if the offer is right" a joke.
They could simply say "it's not enough" everytime until they get forced to fight for bob.
Whos says Mercs have to be neutral? what a load of crap. If a Merc corp gets the majority of its work from one side of the equation what do they have to gain by cutting off their main resource.
Lets face it fighting with BoB is always going to provide you with plenty of targets, more targets equals more fun and the majority side is the coalition, most of MC's pilots love to blow things up.
No idea what they will do, will they back up one of the war frontlines or will they attack coalition space and stations, my isk is on the later and btw GL MC.
Because a mercenary fights for the money only and money has no color... MC stated by their own representatives that they were supposedly neutral and they supposedly waited for the best contract in this war. So they said...
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:23:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Kespii
Edited by: Kespii on 28/02/2007 13:48:18
You should all stop making the broad assumption that just because MC lives in BoB space, they have to do their bidding for a number of weeks. You all state the assumption that BoB wouldnt let a neutral pvp entity live in its space, but that is just an assumption. Let me guess, you guys also believe in the assumption of intellegent design too? Some people believe in it regardless of evidence and proof. If you do, then it's no wonder you believe in this tin foil crap.
Off-topic.. but I just find it amusing to see a lone FIX voice defending MC in a sea of pretty damning posts. It seems these days FIX is slightly off pace with the general consensus across the boards and not really on-message as far as the pro-BoB contingent is concerned.
Both BoB and MC have now recieved their gagging orders. I think its safe to say that they have withdrawn from the forums... as anything they say will be thrown right back at them.
Tbh it would probably be wise for FIX to follow suit, you guys are cutting such solitary figures defending BoB and MC that its funny... in a pathetic sort of way.
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Kruugore
Minmatar
Vigilant Justice
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kruugore on 28/02/2007 14:25:50
If they are an alliance that takes orders from the highest bidder, except against who controls their land (which makes sense, I don't understand why people flame them for not attacking their landlords)
Whoever takes over the land gets a free Merc Alliance to use at their disposal, whom will not attack their landlords... unless it's for a pretty penny.
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Svetlanna
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:53:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Since MC decided that they had to have a piece of 0.0 to stay competitive in the big boys' game, they have been constantly smacked for being in unca bob's pocket. However, noone seems to have any constructive ideas on how they should change things to be "true mercs" again.
Should they sell/give their outposts to someone? What then?
Should they build new ones in someone elses space and be in someone elses pocket instead?
Should they conquer their own piece of 0.0 from another entity and be harassed there every time they go out for a job?
Should they arrange for some other people to provide em with capital ships? But wouldn't people say that they would be in the other peoples pockets then? Or that the other people are their alts and thus they are in someone elses pocket?
At the end of the day, its all nice and dandy to smack 'em for being bobs puppets but why don't you for a change tell us what they should do to "redeem themselves"?
ps. please save this thread from "no need to do anything since they and bobsies are dead by tomorrow" opinions
How about some fighting may be? 
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Bloedkopp
Minmatar
Simian Cell Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:02:00 -
[89]
what about remove yourself ( MC ) first here ? Doesnt make sense anymore, or ?
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The Anointed
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:55:00 -
[90]
I have always had a certain admiration for what the MC is and does. The main problem I think, and the reason that their hand was forced in the first instance, is that in order to truly offer anywhere near the level of service that they appear to want to, they were going to get dragged into 0.0 and politics.
Now their choice of alliance, I personaly think, was the right one for stability reasons, for PR reasons, possibly not, but then the Anti BoB sentiment wasnt actually all that high from what I could see when they made the choice.
The location of their outposts, obviously I have no idea for the actual reasons for placing them there, but as far as safety goes, they are perfect. Again for saving face and looking like a neutral entity it could be argued that they are a little deep.
All in all I dont think the MC made any real mistakes at all, although I do not pretend to know the innerworkings, so you never know, maybe they did. They made the same choices that I beleive I would have made.
Now this is completley my own line of thought, but if I was anyhting more than a new comer to the whole alliance thing, I would have offered a contract to MC, one with very little risk. I would have paid them to do nothing (boring I know, but most likely cheaper than paying them to do something). If I had decided to rinse some real isk, I would have negotiated using their little corner of the world to fight from (probably not much strategic advantage, but still, would have been nice).
Long winded way of saying, I dont think the MC could have done anything at all differently in order to acheive what they wanted to and still avoid the situation. The only thing I hold against the MC is the Big Blue.
Good Luck to everyone involved, This sort of situation is where eve elevates itself above every other game I have ever played.
**This is my own personal opinion and may or may not be a by-product of the voices in my head**
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