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CCP Phantom
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Posted - 2016.06.01 15:43:52 -
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Several months ago we announced Changes to OS Minimum Requirements and our intent to phase out DirectX 9 support for EVE Online in the near future.
We would like to provide an update on that phase out. The initial steps of the phase out will become visible in the upcoming release for graphic features such as secondary lighting; this will only be available on the DirectX 11 client. Although we have no immediate plans to completely remove DirectX 9 support, it is an inevitable conclusion. We are also aware that - currently - the Mac client is DX9 only.
Check out further details in CCP Vertex' latest blog DirectX 9 Phase Out.
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager
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Ixildor III
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:01:45 -
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This is great! Except that DX11 is currently unusable for me due to constant crashes. I have a support ticket open about it (#196433) and there have been unanswered posts in the forums reporting similar symptoms. |
Lord's Prophet
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:06:27 -
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Linux users require DX9 too. |
Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:14:57 -
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"We would like to assure the Mac community that we are aware that the current client is DirectX 9 only. This is something we have been discussing internally and we are investigating solutions."
Care to supply more details?
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC
The Old Guard.
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:15:39 -
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Finally time to join the rest of the world in the 21st century and embrace Vulkan?
<< THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>
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KhanidLady
Action Super Dupper Test Corp
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:17:03 -
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Linux Crew checking in. We like you CCP and would like to stay supported too!
+1 for Vulkan btw :D |
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:25:45 -
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I guess folks had best speak up. This would also be a good time for the CSM to check in with folks as well. Is EVE soon going to become unavailable to Mac, Linux and older PCs?
CCP has been paring down parts of the game that someone deems 'extraneous' such as world building, lore and such. Are a percentage of players and subscriptions also going to be deemed unnecessary? |
Ix Method
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:33:41 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:one such change will be a new cloud rendering approach
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:37:37 -
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So for those of us who play on older hardware, we're outta luck eh once you decide to fully pull the plug on Dx9 if we don't have a Dx9 support card in say a laptop eh? RIP
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Arrakis Askiras
timeNos
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:46:17 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote:So for those of us who play on older hardware, we're **** outta luck eh? Thanks CCP. G-FING-G
Not just people with old hardware. Got a spanking new ATI/AMD graphics card (well, not spanking new but almost: R9 390) and with DX11 I had frequent crashes which caused me to lose two ships (a Proteus and a cheap frig). Since I've switched to DX9 I've had no crashes. Apparently I'm not the only one with that problem.
It's nice that CCP intends to move forwards but please make sure that everything works on the 'new' API before you switch old the more stable legacy mode. |
Sensei Meelia
Homegrown Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:49:40 -
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Typical, after getting rid of the crap that was Windows 10 and moving to linux, CCP comes up with this bullshit, what next?
EVE-ONLINE free to play? |
Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:54:45 -
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Sensei Meelia wrote:Typical, after getting rid of the crap that was Windows 10 and moving to linux, CCP comes up with this bullshit, what next?
EVE-ONLINE free to play?
Right?! I was just going to get my linux install going and now this... *grumbles*
Also what about this?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6503916
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Drabbin Mishi
Excognative Ignorance
Short Bus Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:56:11 -
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I believe that the Overwolf overlay does not support EVE with DX11, only DX9. |
Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
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Posted - 2016.06.01 16:59:08 -
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Drabbin Mishi wrote:I believe that the Overwolf overlay does not support EVE with DX11, only DX9.
I've had weird flickering issues with it in Dx11, so I just gave up on it.
@dominousnolen
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Kaylin Drake
Profound Destiny
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:12:16 -
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Just in the last month I moved to linux for the first time after spending most of my life on windows systems.. and am extremely happy with this decision. And now this happens..  |
Yliras Tine
Uranus Intruders
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:14:01 -
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With DX11 when I close the game I get a BSOD. When I restart the computer and launch the game all the settings and windows are restored to default. Conclussion every time i play EVE with DX11 i have to personalice the game interface from scratch. Not a good deal. |
Oktura Ostus
Wicked Privateers
Smile 'n' Wave
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:27:02 -
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For 3 years I play EVE. Nothing managed to stop me from constantly paying for my gametime. Neither fozzysov, nor nerf/boosts, nor extractors. Honestly I even was not sad because of those patches - I like EVE in any form and gameplay.
However, looks like this one will be my last patch :(
I use Linux as desktop for 4 times more years then play EVE, and now I simply don't have space for any version of Windows, and don't have a wish to close open tabs, browser tabs and reboot system into some strange crazy environment just for 1 hour of pvp.
Honestly I don't even understand why should I do this, when linux can run such top-class games like cs:go, warthunder, shogun, xcom, bioshock. 7 years ago linux users had to survive with windows to be able to play good games. Now my steam library full of good linux games, I even haven't played big part of them. May it will be time to play them
Could you please say how many months linux users have before end? So we could correctly plan our isks and spend them for plexes and pvp instead of saving them for nothing.
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Mikkhi Kisht
Vanity Thy Name Is
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:35:23 -
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Considering the number of times the single simple solution to a graphics issues, performance lagging, or other complaints down in the Workarounds & Issues threads is 'turn off DX11, use DX9' when do you plan to fix the problems that nearly always crop up with DX11?
I have a relatively new higher end graphics card. I do not use DX11 since even with the better hardware and it's drivers all up to date, DX11 is a hot mess of bugged out for the Eve game client.
Don't do it. Just don't. |
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:53:56 -
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>we will be removing clouds from the DirectX 9 client in an upcoming release.
You guys should make a separate DX9 client and charge money for it. I would pay premium for no clouds |
NinjaTurtle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:58:28 -
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Call me old fashioned, but if you guys make changes that affect (read: alienate) portions of your player base, it's good form to have solutions to those issues before you make the aforementioned changes. I completely understand the standpoint of investing development into a dated API but basically telling portions of your player base to screw off isn't the way you want to be going right now. You did it yesterday with the camera patch, you're doing it now with DX9. |
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CCP Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.01 18:04:34 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:"We would like to assure the Mac community that we are aware that the current client is DirectX 9 only. This is something we have been discussing internally and we are investigating solutions."
Care to supply more details?
I'm afraid we have nothing further to share currently. We are just increasing the messaging around Direct 9 deprecation to give people time to migrate.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.01 18:06:21 -
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Joia Crenca wrote:I guess folks had best speak up. This would also be a good time for the CSM to check in with folks as well. Is EVE soon going to become unavailable to Mac, Linux and older PCs?
CCP has been paring down parts of the game that someone deems 'extraneous' such as world building, lore and such. Are a percentage of players and subscriptions also going to be deemed unnecessary?
EVE on the Mac is not something we are planning to change, we've been investing resources recently to improve the Mac experience under the Wine wrapper and will continue down that road.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.01 18:10:14 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote:Sensei Meelia wrote:Typical, after getting rid of the crap that was Windows 10 and moving to linux, CCP comes up with this bullshit, what next?
EVE-ONLINE free to play? Right?! I was just going to get my linux install going and now this... *grumbles* Also what about this? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6503916
I would refer to the top part of CCP Snorlax's comment
Dominous Nolen wrote:Note that this does in no way suggest that CCP is officially supporting Linux - this is just something I've been working on as a side project, and basically comes out of the work I've done for adding Wine support to the launcher for Mac.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.01 18:11:01 -
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Arrakis Askiras wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:So for those of us who play on older hardware, we're **** outta luck eh? Thanks CCP. G-FING-G
Not just people with old hardware. Got a spanking new ATI/AMD graphics card (well, not spanking new but almost: R9 390) and with DX11 I had frequent crashes which caused me to lose two ships (a Proteus and a cheap frig). Since I've switched to DX9 I've had no crashes. Apparently I'm not the only one with that problem. It's nice that CCP intends to move forwards but please make sure that everything works on the 'new' API before you switch old the more stable legacy mode.
Have you filed bug reports on the crashes?
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.01 18:12:04 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote:Drabbin Mishi wrote:I believe that the Overwolf overlay does not support EVE with DX11, only DX9. I've had weird flickering issues with it in Dx11, so I just gave up on it.
Please switch back and file a bug report so we can get your logs, then reply here the reportID so we can take a look.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.01 18:14:28 -
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NinjaTurtle wrote:Call me old fashioned, but if you guys make changes that affect (read: alienate) portions of your player base, it's good form to have solutions to those issues before you make the aforementioned changes. I completely understand the standpoint of investing development into a dated API but basically telling portions of your player base to screw off isn't the way you want to be going right now. You did it yesterday with the camera patch, you're doing it now with DX9.
That is exactly why we're messaging our intentions with NO firm date of the change, we want to hear of any remaining issues so we can resolve them ahead of time.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Arrek Lemmont
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.06.01 19:08:52 -
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EVE itself runs fine for me with DirectX11 but the Mumble overlay won't, so I have to play EVE in DirectX9.
Is CCP working with the Mumble developers to sort out what's going on with Mumble and EVE and DX11? |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.01 19:22:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:"We would like to assure the Mac community that we are aware that the current client is DirectX 9 only. This is something we have been discussing internally and we are investigating solutions."
Care to supply more details? I'm afraid we have nothing further to share currently. We are just increasing the messaging around Direct 9 deprecation to give people time to migrate.
What do you mean "migrate"? I know from before my move to Linux that the hardware does run dx11 just fine with all the fancy shield bubble and hit effects.
Just the software wasn't able to catch up. Vulcan on the other hand will even run on my new cellphone.
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We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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Dierdra Vaal
Interstellar Stargate Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.06.01 19:43:24 -
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As a change from all the people gaming on ancient PCs or non gaming OSes, is CCP currently exploring DX12 support?
Veto #205
Director Emeritus at EVE University
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2016.06.01 19:49:18 -
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My settings page does not look like that.
http://i.imgur.com/oTLfKkz.png?1 |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.06.01 20:15:12 -
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Looks like you're using the old launcher. I highly recommend you move to the new one. For one, it's a lot more stable, and it handles multiple clients natively.
http://binaries.eveonline.com/EveLauncher-1037417.exe will download it.
As long as you point it as the same shared cache as you're currently using, it shouldn't download too much.
(The settings menu that's mentioned here is on the new launcher, under the E in the top right, then settings)
The launcher you're using will have support discontinued at the end of the month.
Woo! CSM XI!
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.06.01 20:19:24 -
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Joia Crenca wrote:I guess folks had best speak up. This would also be a good time for the CSM to check in with folks as well. Is EVE soon going to become unavailable to Mac, Linux and older PCs?
CCP has been paring down parts of the game that someone deems 'extraneous' such as world building, lore and such. Are a percentage of players and subscriptions also going to be deemed unnecessary?
When you say 'older PCs', are you meaning Windows XP? Because it's ancient, unsupported by Microsoft, and CCP said they were going to stop supporting it on June 30th. (as per the 'changes to OS minimum requirements post)
CCP will continue to support Macs (I've heard nothing saying otherwise)
CCP haven't officially supported Linux in a long long time. They may make an effort for it to run (CCP Snorlax has done work here), but it's not a market they support.
Woo! CSM XI!
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Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2016.06.01 20:53:18 -
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CCP someone, does this means we can finally have tessellation? |
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2016.06.01 20:54:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:Different from the people worrying about DX9 support, my question is: is CCP currently exploring DX12 support?
I hope not... DX12 requires Win10, and... well... a LOT of people are trying to avoid that at all costs. Hopefully the next major API overhaul will be a switch to either OpenGL or Vulkan. |
omgdutch2005
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.06.01 20:59:29 -
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Atum wrote:Dierdra Vaal wrote:Different from the people worrying about DX9 support, my question is: is CCP currently exploring DX12 support? I hope not... DX12 requires Win10, and... well... a LOT of people are trying to avoid that at all costs. Hopefully the next major API overhaul will be a switch to either OpenGL or Vulkan.
More of your delicicious tears please...
DX12 and/or Vulkan Support would be amazing |
Coredeath Cicada
Bueno Excellente.
The Big Dirty
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Posted - 2016.06.01 21:04:01 -
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Arrakis Askiras wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:So for those of us who play on older hardware, we're **** outta luck eh? Thanks CCP. G-FING-G
Not just people with old hardware. Got a spanking new ATI/AMD graphics card (well, not spanking new but almost: R9 390) and with DX11 I had frequent crashes which caused me to lose two ships (a Proteus and a cheap frig). Since I've switched to DX9 I've had no crashes. Apparently I'm not the only one with that problem. It's nice that CCP intends to move forwards but please make sure that everything works on the 'new' API before you switch old the more stable legacy mode.
I also use a R9 390x, I can confirm using DX11 crashes my system and since turning back to DX9 Ive had no crashes and no performance issues, in fact the game runs smoother. For example, that gas cloud on the Amarr trade hub, no slowdown in DX9, slowdown in DX11 + crashing.
My ticket was told to 'Just go to DX9' if a plugs being pulled can the ATI card users get some stable love first? |
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2016.06.01 21:04:40 -
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omgdutch2005 wrote:More of your delicicious tears please...
DX12 and/or Vulkan Support would be amazing
Tears? Please, just pointing out the obvious. When Microsoft decides to give away their flagship OS, you know something's not right. There is no such thing as a free lunch. EVE players know this better than most.
(Well, except maybe the RMT-ers over in $HATED_ALLIANCE, but $PREFERRED_ALLIANCE never does that crap  ) |
DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2016.06.01 21:36:31 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Looks like you're using the old launcher. I highly recommend you move to the new one. For one, it's a lot more stable, and it handles multiple clients natively. http://binaries.eveonline.com/EveLauncher-1037417.exe will download it. As long as you point it as the same shared cache as you're currently using, it shouldn't download too much. (The settings menu that's mentioned here is on the new launcher, under the E in the top right, then settings) The launcher you're using will have support discontinued at the end of the month.
Thanks for the link.
Why shouldn't the Launcher update itself? |
Moth Eisig
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Posted - 2016.06.01 21:49:06 -
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My Eve experience: Train for t3s to be able to do nullsec exploration sites-->CCP removes NPCs from exploration sites. Train for Marauders to solo C4s-->CCP gives C4s an extra static and "fixes" sleeper remote repair. Quit for a while, switch out Windows for Linux, get tired of other games and spend a few hours figuring out how to get Eve to work, resub-->see this thread. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.06.01 21:53:14 -
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Atum wrote:omgdutch2005 wrote:More of your delicicious tears please...
DX12 and/or Vulkan Support would be amazing Tears? Please, just pointing out the obvious. When Microsoft decides to give away their flagship OS, you know something's not right. There is no such thing as a free lunch. EVE players know this better than most. (Well, except maybe the RMT-ers over in $HATED_ALLIANCE, but $PREFERRED_ALLIANCE never does that crap )
'giving away' the OS means that they don't have to worry about another XP, where it's the primary OS in use for years past the point they want to support it. Supporting products costs them money. Fewer supported products means they have lower costs.
It's still paid for, when you buy a new PC. The number of people who actually buy OS upgrades is low.
Woo! CSM XI!
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Benjan Hakaari
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.06.01 22:17:24 -
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I play EVE for the fun of the game and for the social interaction. I don't play it for fancy graphics and "clouds." When I hear people call EVE "spreadsheets in space" I chuckle, but then I realize i could play the game that way and still enjoy it. Although it's great fun to see a POS explode grandly, I still would enjoy the game if the graphics were cheesy and cartoony, like from WAY back...
Please don't leave out us folks who need DX9, no matter what our platform. |
Chan'aar
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.06.01 22:41:00 -
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Torgeir Hekard wrote:>we will be removing clouds from the DirectX 9 client in an upcoming release. You guys should make a separate DX9 client and charge money for it. I would pay premium for no clouds
This oh so much THIS!
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Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
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Posted - 2016.06.01 23:09:53 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:Drabbin Mishi wrote:I believe that the Overwolf overlay does not support EVE with DX11, only DX9. I've had weird flickering issues with it in Dx11, so I just gave up on it. Please switch back and file a bug report so we can get your logs, then reply here the reportID so we can take a look.
I'll try it again and file a bug report if I can get the client to stay stable enough to let me while it potentally drives my eyes nuts.
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CCP Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.01 23:13:52 -
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Arrek Lemmont wrote:EVE itself runs fine for me with DirectX11 but the Mumble overlay won't, so I have to play EVE in DirectX9.
Is CCP working with the Mumble developers to sort out what's going on with Mumble and EVE and DX11?
I'm afraid this would be on the Mumble developers, we dont officialy support Mumble integration and I would recommend you file a bug report on their GitHub project.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.01 23:15:17 -
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elitatwo wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:"We would like to assure the Mac community that we are aware that the current client is DirectX 9 only. This is something we have been discussing internally and we are investigating solutions."
Care to supply more details? I'm afraid we have nothing further to share currently. We are just increasing the messaging around Direct 9 deprecation to give people time to migrate. What do you mean "migrate"? I know from before my move to Linux that the hardware does run dx11 just fine with all the fancy shield bubble and hit effects. Just the software wasn't able to catch up. Vulcan on the other hand will even run on my new cellphone.
I'm specifically referring to people who can upgrade either their OS or GPU to become DX11 capable.
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Posted - 2016.06.01 23:19:09 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:Different from the people worrying about DX9 support, my question is: is CCP currently exploring DX12 support?
DX12 / Vulkan / OpenGL etc. are all things we've looked at and considered, migrating to a different API is no small undertaking and is something we would consider at length before investing considerable resources into.
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Posted - 2016.06.01 23:20:49 -
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Tiranius Avetus wrote:CCP someone, does this means we can finally have tessellation?
It's one step closer to that possability! ;)
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.01 23:24:48 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:Drabbin Mishi wrote:I believe that the Overwolf overlay does not support EVE with DX11, only DX9. I've had weird flickering issues with it in Dx11, so I just gave up on it. Please switch back and file a bug report so we can get your logs, then reply here the reportID so we can take a look. I'll try it again and file a bug report if I can get the client to stay stable enough to let me while it potentally drives my eyes nuts.
Please make sure to update to the latest GPU drivers and thank you for giving it a go, I will make sure we take a look at the bug report.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2016.06.01 23:42:20 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:'giving away' the OS means that they don't have to worry about another XP, where it's the primary OS in use for years past the point they want to support it. Supporting products costs them money. Fewer supported products means they have lower costs.
It's still paid for, when you buy a new PC. The number of people who actually buy OS upgrades is low.
I'll agree with you... to a point. It used to be that I paid (an OEM-reduced price) for my OS when I bought the computer, whether it be from IBM itself (dad loved the clicky keyboard, and clones disappointed), Gateway (back in my college days), Dell (in my current corporate life), or whatever. The OS I got was the OS I got, and I didn't expect to be fed updates for years afterwards, but then again, there was no internet back then, either. If I wanted a new OS, I had to go out and buy it. Same for when I began building my own computers instead of buying them... pay for the OS, and that's the OS I got.
That's the way it's always been, until now. Somewhere along the way, Microsoft decided to offer for free (but nothing's ever free... just look at the advertisements in the default start panel if you disagree, and the "telemetry" being fed back to the mother ship that Microsoft won't explicitly describe the contents of) their flagship OS. Ok, great. Deprecate XP, sure. Seriously, it *IS* dated, and who knows what other root-level bugs are yet to be found in it. But why not Vista? Everybody certainly seems to hate it enough (though I've never had an issue with it once OEMs got their drivers sorted) to justify making that part of the upgrade, and Ballmer himself said Win7 was the polish that Vista didn't have time for.
I would agree that very few people buy an OS upgrade without a compelling reason, but that's just it... as far as I've seen so far, there is no compelling reason to switch from Win7 (or even Vista, if you have it) to Win10. In fact, the only jumps I would say were worthwhile were DOS/3.1 > 95 (native graphical OS) > 98b (USB integration) > XP (9x/NT unification). After XP, it becomes a bit more murky, since Vista added x64 (don't get me started on XP x64... I ran it and hated every moment of it), 7 was the spit and polish, and 8 added USB3.
CCP Vertex wrote:DX12 / Vulkan / OpenGL etc. are all things we've looked at and considered, migrating to a different API is no small undertaking and is something we would consider at length before investing considerable resources into.
No bigger than the jump from the original graphics engine to Trinity2... ohh do I remember that, and my friends going "HOLY $#!7!!!" when I showed them that trailer. Maybe something to shoot for in 2020, when DX11 just doesn't look so great anymore? ;) |
Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
189
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CCP Vertex wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:Drabbin Mishi wrote:I believe that the Overwolf overlay does not support EVE with DX11, only DX9. I've had weird flickering issues with it in Dx11, so I just gave up on it. Please switch back and file a bug report so we can get your logs, then reply here the reportID so we can take a look. I'll try it again and file a bug report if I can get the client to stay stable enough to let me while it potentally drives my eyes nuts. Please make sure to update to the latest GPU drivers and thank you for giving it a go, I will make sure we take a look at the bug report.
Drivers are kept current.
So, Overwolf doesn't even really play well with my 3x27" display config. The tool loads, attempts to associate to a monitor but then never presents itself for chats, TS voice notifications etc.
The stuttering/crashing appears to have subsided, but its just not functional with a fixed window configuration (same thing with Shadowplay TBH)
Alot of my corp mates just uninstalled the client.
@dominousnolen
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Matuk Grymwal
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
78
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Posted - 2016.06.02 00:53:36 -
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I've been using DX9 as a work around for this problem as well. After I did a little more reading I found this thread which suggested turning off missile effects: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=447757 I'll give this a go and see if it helps. |
Nimbo Slice
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2016.06.02 02:01:52 -
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Can we do something about the whole Dx11/Mumble overlay not working together before we roll this out. |
KanashiiKami
117
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Posted - 2016.06.02 02:10:10 -
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i DO NOT like the idea of CCP dropping DX9
WUT ???
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I-Am-Not An-Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.06.02 02:46:20 -
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GUYSE
Its ignorant to think that CCP doesnt already have the statistics of what % of the player population runs DX9, and before posting something like this they have already accepted the fact that by doing this they will lose subs, but not enough to stop them from doing it.
Im sorry if your still on DX9 (Not being a smart ass) But maybe its time to upgrade... as said your running on 10 year old API.. time to move on. And dont be a hipster. |
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
383
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Posted - 2016.06.02 02:55:19 -
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When is the new EVE probe hitting forums?
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Sky Marshal
Core Industry.
Circle-Of-Two
127
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As long we don't need to go to W10 for the moment, it is rather fine... I would go on W10 if only it don't suffer of the same deficiency than Eve Online : the deletion of the full UI color customization (replaced by "themes") and so the reduction of his accessibility. While Eve is too dark, W10 is too bright (white background in nearly all applications, like in Explorer for exemple) and so hurt the eyes after a while... Of course, W7 has the necessary options and so don't have this problem, even W1.0 released in 1985 was capable of that... I don't "get" Microsoft since W8/W10.
I want to switch on a Linux distribution one day and so I hope that CCP will offer a way to still play at Eve, or maybe WINE will begin to support DX11 games. Clearly, Vulkain in EVE would be the best choice as it would make Eve really multi-OS one day, but adapt a 3D engine is certainly a very, very big effort. I can't really imagine the effort required for that. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1238
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Posted - 2016.06.02 05:41:55 -
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Sky Marshal wrote:As long we don't need to go to W10 for the moment, it is rather fine... I would go on W10 if only it don't suffer of the same deficiency than Eve Online : the deletion of the full UI color customization (replaced by "themes") and so the reduction of his accessibility. While Eve is too dark, W10 is too bright (white background in nearly all applications, like in Explorer for exemple) and so hurt the eyes after a while... Of course, W7 has the necessary options and so don't have this problem, even W1.0 released in 1985 was capable of that... I don't "get" Microsoft since W8/W10.
I want to switch on a Linux distribution one day and so I hope that CCP will offer a way to still play at Eve, or maybe WINE will begin to support DX11 games. Clearly, Vulkain in EVE would be the best choice as it would make Eve closer of becoming a multi-OS game one day, but adapt a 3D engine is certainly a very, very big effort. I can't really imagine the effort required for that. And it would be only the 3D engine while DX11 manage input & sound too...
I can tell you directly from wineHQ that they are working on that tesselation thing and wine 1.9.10 is getting close. A little bit is supported and I could even run that Heaven benchmark on my Acer laptop with Intel's intergated gpu just fine - tesselation and all.
Just EVE doesn't do MESA yet. The hardware does.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1238
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Posted - 2016.06.02 05:51:29 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:...It's still paid for, when you buy a new PC. The number of people who actually buy OS upgrades is low.
That is only the case when you buy an OEM machine. I don't. I know my stuff and I am fiddling in my machine since age 14.
Thing is, when you buy your components like that M$ won't give you a "free" license, they still want you to pay 130$ for the worst ever operation system.
Linux isn't "free" either. They live from sponsors and donations. It is sad that programmers won't take Linux serious enough because openGL / Vulkan is way superior to dx11 or dx12 and it does run on all future devices for decades to come.
The joke is on M$.
You may even be surprised that Intel is one of the largest contributers for the kernel development. They pay them to make the newest hardware work out of the box.
Though it took 6 months for the kernel to support my Braswell machine and some fiddling with binaries to get the wifi to work. But enough tech babble.
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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
300
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Posted - 2016.06.02 07:08:05 -
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My primary OS is currently Windows Server 2012 R2 which supports DX 11.2
My secondary OS is Windows Server 2003 which only supports DX 9.0c.
I also have few linux machines that only do DX9.
Why am i using Server 2012 / server windows ? because it doesn't bother me with stupid Windows 10 updates at all and it's 10000x faster than normal client windows and it has no limits of client windows.
Also as of now i am using the same operating system as Tranquility Tech III is.
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CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
333
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Posted - 2016.06.02 09:02:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:DX12 / Vulkan / OpenGL etc. are all things we've looked at and considered, migrating to a different API is no small undertaking and is something we would consider at length before investing considerable resources into.
No bigger than the jump from the original graphics engine to Trinity2... ohh do I remember that, and my friends going "HOLY $#!7!!!" when I showed them that trailer. Maybe something to shoot for in 2020, when DX11 just doesn't look so great anymore? ;)[/quote]
Well in many cases it would be a bigger jump, especially with DX12 where you certainly get more control over your output but nothing comes for free. You need to implement and manage everything your self which has its benefits but also requires a lot of investment in resources and effort.
However, as we've done in the past and will continue to do, we will keep EVE looking good so we'll inevitably upgrade away from DX11. Maybe 2020, who knows ;)
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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dAhAmbUrglA
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
2
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Posted - 2016.06.02 09:54:01 -
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I've recently come back into EVE after 3 years, getting crashes now (never used to, AFAIK the DX11 client wasn't default back then). Might not be DX11 related of course, but who knows.
Bugreport: EBR-76895
As a developer of a DX11-only game myself, it's great to see you guys making this move (particularly since you're big in China, I thought WinXP was still really widespread over there?). Don't listen to the people here who will inevitably whine, just pull the trigger! |
Arrakis Askiras
timeNos
0
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Posted - 2016.06.02 10:46:37 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Arrakis Askiras wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:So for those of us who play on older hardware, we're **** outta luck eh? Thanks CCP. G-FING-G
Not just people with old hardware. Got a spanking new ATI/AMD graphics card (well, not spanking new but almost: R9 390) and with DX11 I had frequent crashes which caused me to lose two ships (a Proteus and a cheap frig). Since I've switched to DX9 I've had no crashes. Apparently I'm not the only one with that problem. It's nice that CCP intends to move forwards but please make sure that everything works on the 'new' API before you switch old the more stable legacy mode. Have you filed bug reports on the crashes?
No. I've switched to DX9 a while ago and never looked back. However, at that time I've found many reports on this forum about exactly my issue so it's not as if there were no bug reports sent. I know that I should have sent a report anyway which is why I'll try to reproduce the error now. It's a bit difficult though because the error mostly seemed to occur in mid- to large-scale PvP situations. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
335
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Posted - 2016.06.02 10:58:00 -
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Arrakis Askiras wrote: No. I've switched to DX9 a while ago and never looked back. However, at that time I've found many reports on this forum about exactly my issue so it's not as if there were no bug reports sent. I know that I should have sent a report anyway which is why I'll try to reproduce the error now. It's a bit difficult though because the error mostly seemed to occur in mid- to large-scale PvP situations.
There have been several driver updates and tweaks on our side over the last few months that we've seen reduce the number of crashes considerably. We really are looking at edge cases now which is why we're encouraging people to retry DX11 and send us bug reports.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Hicksimus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
666
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Posted - 2016.06.02 11:19:22 -
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This needs more attention. I'm sure we can blame AMD but explosions from missiles in Direct X 11 have caused my 290X to crash for about a year now and I know I'm not alone. I have to use DX9 to play .
Edit: Guess I'll try it again, unfortunately it's really lame to lose ships to this.
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Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
94
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Posted - 2016.06.02 11:22:26 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Looks like you're using the old launcher. I highly recommend you move to the new one. For one, it's a lot more stable, and it handles multiple clients natively. http://binaries.eveonline.com/EveLauncher-1037417.exe will download it. As long as you point it as the same shared cache as you're currently using, it shouldn't download too much. (The settings menu that's mentioned here is on the new launcher, under the E in the top right, then settings) The launcher you're using will have support discontinued at the end of the month.
Last time I checked, I couldn't use 3 separate installs of EVE with the new launcher. As long as I can't do that, I won't install it. If that means I can't play EVE anymore at the end of the month, it's CCP's loss. There's other games to play. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
335
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Posted - 2016.06.02 11:41:02 -
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Hicksimus wrote:This needs more attention. I'm sure we can blame AMD but explosions from missiles in Direct X 11 have caused my 290X to crash for about a year now and I know I'm not alone. I have to use DX9 to play . Edit: Guess I'll try it again, unfortunately it's really lame to lose ships to this.
To the best of my knowledge the GPU particles (missile explosions) were fixed in a AMD driver update a month or two ago, let me know how it goes!
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
335
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Posted - 2016.06.02 11:41:55 -
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Azahar Ortenegro wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Looks like you're using the old launcher. I highly recommend you move to the new one. For one, it's a lot more stable, and it handles multiple clients natively. http://binaries.eveonline.com/EveLauncher-1037417.exe will download it. As long as you point it as the same shared cache as you're currently using, it shouldn't download too much. (The settings menu that's mentioned here is on the new launcher, under the E in the top right, then settings) The launcher you're using will have support discontinued at the end of the month. Last time I checked, I couldn't use 3 separate installs of EVE with the new launcher. As long as I can't do that, I won't install it. If that means I can't play EVE anymore at the end of the month, it's CCP's loss. There're other games to play.
Why do you need 3 separate installs as opposed two the shared cache mechanic that the new launcher uses?
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.06.02 11:55:25 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Hicksimus wrote:This needs more attention. I'm sure we can blame AMD but explosions from missiles in Direct X 11 have caused my 290X to crash for about a year now and I know I'm not alone. I have to use DX9 to play . Edit: Guess I'll try it again, unfortunately it's really lame to lose ships to this. To the best of my knowledge the GPU particles (missile explosions) were fixed in a AMD driver update a month or two ago, let me know how it goes!
SiSi is an option to try it, if you want to make sure you don't lose a ship which has a cost 
Woo! CSM XI!
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Hicksimus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
666
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Posted - 2016.06.02 11:56:45 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Hicksimus wrote:This needs more attention. I'm sure we can blame AMD but explosions from missiles in Direct X 11 have caused my 290X to crash for about a year now and I know I'm not alone. I have to use DX9 to play . Edit: Guess I'll try it again, unfortunately it's really lame to lose ships to this. To the best of my knowledge the GPU particles (missile explosions) were fixed in a AMD driver update a month or two ago, let me know how it goes!
My Succubus survived trial by missiles!
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Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
94
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Posted - 2016.06.02 12:07:30 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:
Why do you need 3 separate installs as opposed two the shared cache mechanic that the new launcher uses?
Three monitors, translation work and management of several other things. I always have at least 10 windows open in the taskbar, I can't be looking for any particular window when I need to change focus. That's why I move my windows in a fixed order when I start something (being EVE, PoEdit, GitHub or anything) in the taskbar.
Oh, and I'm using 3 G keys of my G510 to start each instance of EVE. This way, I don't have to look for a shortcut when I need to launch a client. |
AquamarineElder
OLD RUSSIA
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2016.06.02 13:26:38 -
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Well, looks like EVE said goodbye for linux users and waves nicely with hand, there is no support for DX11 in wine, what will we do now ?
just wondering, is there any statistics how many clients are launched on wine ? I hope I`m not alone there |
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CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
336
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Posted - 2016.06.02 13:45:58 -
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Correct there is no current DX11 support in Wine, this is something we've been investigating. We do not have a firm plan of when DX9 will be removed which is why there is no specific date being announced in this message. We want time to investigate further options and solutions for the Mac client.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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AquamarineElder
OLD RUSSIA
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2016.06.02 14:51:54 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Correct there is no current DX11 support in Wine, this is something we've been investigating. We do not have a firm plan of when DX9 will be removed which is why there is no specific date being announced in this message. We want time to investigate further options and solutions for the Mac client.
Please dont rush with that modification, there is news in internet that posibly in the end of that year suport of DX11 will be added to wine, at least linux users will have a chance. (some project base on wine plans to add it, and there is rumors that they can possibly contribute it in wine, no dates and no facts, just rumors) |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Azahar Ortenegro wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:
Why do you need 3 separate installs as opposed two the shared cache mechanic that the new launcher uses?
Three monitors, translation work and management of several other things. I always have at least 10 windows open in the taskbar, I can't be looking for any particular window when I need to change focus. That's why I move my windows in a fixed order when I start something (being EVE, PoEdit, GitHub or anything) in the taskbar. Oh, and I'm using 3 G keys of my G510 to start each instance of EVE. This way, I don't have to look for a shortcut when I need to launch a client.
You know the new launcher allows you to have different sets of settings for Eve? And you can launch all clients at once (with optional delay)
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Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
94
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Posted - 2016.06.02 14:58:45 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:You know the new launcher allows you to have different sets of settings for Eve? And you can launch all clients at once (with optional delay)
And that is exactly what I do not want. I don't always have 3 clients of EVE running. |
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
294
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CSM Steve Ronuken and CCP Vertex, I do want to say thank you for engaging on this. Tackling it isn't easy, but I think such active participation has flushed out some good information, and also, Steve, has given the CSM a bump up in the perception that the CSM matters more these days. |
Ran Dimaloun
Order and Prosperity
10
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Posted - 2016.06.02 16:40:15 -
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Quite a lot of people still play eve on dx9 only laptops, even some of my friends. Does this update mean get rich or get out? Some people can't upgrade their gpu for 1 game's sake. |
Ionized First Strike
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.06.02 19:17:34 -
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I play the game with anywhere between 6 and 15 accounts logged in at any time. When launched using DX11 I get a "socket closed" error on multiple accounts within 2-3 hours, sometimes sooner. When launched using DX9 I rarely get "socket closed".
If DX9 is canned without this issue being resolved I don't see how I can continue to play the game in the same way. I have submitted petitions and bug reports about this and the responses I received insinuated the issue was on my end, despite that no solution on my end seems to correct the problem.
Whether or not this is on CCP's end or my end is irrelevant to my point here however. If there's no DX9 and no solution for DX11 you'll unfortunately be losing many of my accounts. Please don't read this as a whine or a threat. There just isn't a way for me to stay logged in consistently without DX9 at the moment without risking losing my ships due to "socket closed".
You guys are falling into the same problem here that you currently have with the camera. You're removing old features that still have necessary utility despite that the new features don't have that same utility. The result is some percentage of players are being alienated to the point of potentially quitting the game. While the desire to address these issues before the phase out is commendable, ultimately I think it's fair to say that upon some issues not being resolved you will still move forward with the phase out.
So my question is this: Is it necessary actually to phase out DX9? How many subscriptions will you lose due to unfortunate circumstances like above? How much would it cost to maintain DX9 support? I'd do the math. You may find the former outweighs the latter. |
Roxanne Estemaire
Imperial Guardians
I N G L O R I O U S
0
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Posted - 2016.06.02 19:32:55 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Dierdra Vaal wrote:Different from the people worrying about DX9 support, my question is: is CCP currently exploring DX12 support? DX12 / Vulkan / OpenGL etc. are all things we've looked at and considered, migrating to a different API is no small undertaking and is something we would consider at length before investing considerable resources into.
Then I truly hope that you (as a company) will see the wisdom in committing to a cross-platform API. For one, it would enable you to do away with the wrapper for an OSX client. The rather unsuccessful official Linux client also used a wrapper, as I recall*.
(Which performed really poorly in comparison with the Windows client I had running on a then-recent release of wine, oddly...) |
Roxanne Estemaire
Imperial Guardians
I N G L O R I O U S
0
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Atum wrote:
No bigger than the jump from the original graphics engine to Trinity2... ohh do I remember that, and my friends going "HOLY $#!7!!!" when I showed them that trailer. Maybe something to shoot for in 2020, when DX11 just doesn't look so great anymore? ;)
And I recall Eve running beautifully with Trinity2 on wine at the time. Ah, good memories! :-) |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
701
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Thanks, understand that I will not be going to Windows 10... So this time next year if you start thinking about phasing out directx 11 and moving to 12.. I won't be going with you. Cannot stand Win10.
-á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Aerious
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
62
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Thanks, understand that I will not be going to Windows 10... So this time next year if you start thinking about phasing out directx 11 and moving to 12.. I won't be going with you. Cannot stand Win10.
There are many like you, the biggest regret i have to date is upgrading Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Pro, having worked in IT with various OS from Win NT4 onwards, i will never put another MS pile of **** on my hardware, being running ubuntu now for the past 4 months and it's great.
So if no solution is to be found, 12 years of eve will come to an end!
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Primary This Rifter
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
1181
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Posted - 2016.06.02 20:28:55 -
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Nimbo Slice wrote:Can we do something about the whole Dx11/Mumble overlay not working together before we roll this out.
Mumble doesn't yet officially support DX11. The beta snapshots do have it, though. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
2085
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Posted - 2016.06.02 20:50:26 -
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Ionized First Strike wrote:I play the game with anywhere between 6 and 15 accounts logged in at any time. When launched using DX11 I get a "socket closed" error on multiple accounts within 2-3 hours, sometimes sooner. When launched using DX9 I rarely get "socket closed".
If you feel this is repeatable for you, can you
- turn on "Start Clients With Logging" in your launcher settings
- Enable DX11
- Play Eve until it disconnects
- Exit the client, switch to the LogLIte app (which will have run alongside it) and save your log file.
- Submit a bug at our bug reporting website. Please attach the log to the bug.
- Post your bug report number back in this thread, or mail it to me in-game.
It's possible your log information might help in figuring out what the issue is with this.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.06.02 20:58:43 -
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Azahar Ortenegro wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:You know the new launcher allows you to have different sets of settings for Eve? And you can launch all clients at once (with optional delay) And that is exactly what I do not want. I don't always have 3 clients of EVE running.
The important word is 'can'. Not 'have to'
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Joia Crenca wrote:CSM Steve Ronuken and CCP Vertex, I do want to say thank you for engaging on this. Tackling it isn't easy, but I think such active participation has flushed out some good information, and also, Steve, has given the CSM a bump up in the perception that the CSM matters more these days.
This was always going to be a contentious change. Like the OS minimum requirements is going to be. I'm predicting a (small) wave of complaints when XP support goes away at the end of the month.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Tierce Japhrimel Iblis
Vanity Thy Name Is
0
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Posted - 2016.06.02 22:20:05 -
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With finding out there's been some work on the game client's use of DX11 not being the buggy hot mess I left it for, I'll give it another try and see if it's more stable. If not, I'll get the bug report in and post it's numbers here.
However, I flat out refuse to switch to Windows 10. Windows 7 is doing just fine for me and doesn't behave like a bastard child of malware and bloatware!
M$ really blew the rollout of 10. I can only compare the rage against ME (nightmare for MMOs!) to this failure of hyping and PR attached to 10.
Here's hoping with fingers crossed DX11 isn't the half whited out screen/socket closed headache it was last time I used it for Eve. |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
94
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Posted - 2016.06.02 23:10:44 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:The important word is 'can'. Not 'have to'
That's beside the point. If you launch two accounts of EVE with the new launcher, they're launched with the launcher's ID, and so cannot be separated in the taskbar. It's a loss of functionnality compared to the 'old' launcher, a functionnality that I need. You may not care about having an ordered taskbar, I do. |
ACESsiggy
Pandemic Horde Inc.
59
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Posted - 2016.06.02 23:14:42 -
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Is it normal for a slight bonner for a 64bit game client?
GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
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CCP Vertex
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.03 09:37:36 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Thanks, understand that I will not be going to Windows 10... So this time next year if you start thinking about phasing out directx 11 and moving to 12.. I won't be going with you. Cannot stand Win10.
Your current OS supports DX11 so no need for Windows 10, we wont be looking at any major graphics engine switch over in the foreseeable future.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.03 09:41:37 -
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Tierce Japhrimel Iblis wrote:With finding out there's been some work on the game client's use of DX11 not being the buggy hot mess I left it for, I'll give it another try and see if it's more stable. If not, I'll get the bug report in and post it's numbers here.
However, I flat out refuse to switch to Windows 10. Windows 7 is doing just fine for me and doesn't behave like a bastard child of malware and bloatware!
M$ really blew the rollout of 10. I can only compare the rage against ME (nightmare for MMOs!) to this failure of hyping and PR attached to 10.
Here's hoping with fingers crossed DX11 isn't the half whited out screen/socket closed headache it was last time I used it for Eve.
We appreciate you giving DX11 another go, i'm sure you'll have a much smoother experience. Just remember to update your GPU drivers :)
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Emiko P'eng
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Posted - 2016.06.03 09:58:37 -
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Ionized First Strike wrote:I play the game with anywhere between 6 and 15 accounts logged in at any time. When launched using DX11 I get a "socket closed" error on multiple accounts within 2-3 hours, sometimes sooner. When launched using DX9 I rarely get "socket closed". Humm!
That explains a lot.
I was assuming that all the "Socket Closed" errors I have recently were the result of changing Internet Providers.
But thinking about it, the problem ties in better to my change over to DX11 than my swapping ISP.
Hehe!
Never thought disconnecting problems could be tied to graphics problems.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2016.06.03 12:49:37 -
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I eagerly await a post from CCP Falcon telling us that the removal of DX 9 has the support of 110.5% of the player base.
He knows you know :)
This is not a signature.
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Drabbin Mishi
Excognative Ignorance
Short Bus Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2016.06.03 13:55:09 -
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Azahar Ortenegro wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The important word is 'can'. Not 'have to' That's beside the point. If you launch two accounts of EVE with the new launcher, they're launched with the launcher's ID, and so cannot be separated in the taskbar. It's a loss of functionnality compared to the 'old' launcher, a functionnality that I need. You may not care about having an ordered taskbar, I do.
Try this: http://rammichael.com/7-taskbar-tweaker |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
95
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Posted - 2016.06.03 17:03:14 -
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I'm supposed to install an explorer injector to get a functionnality that was removed from the launcher by CCP, one that could be added easily? I used one of those when I was on XP, back in 2002-2007, but we're in 2016 now. |
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
130
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Posted - 2016.06.03 19:09:03 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I eagerly await a post from CCP Falcon telling us that the removal of DX 9 has the support of 110.5% of the player base.
He knows you know :)
Are you suggesting CCP Falcon is running an FDIV-afflicted i586? |
Aischa Montagne
Blut-Klauen-Clan
11
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Posted - 2016.06.03 21:16:23 -
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OOC:
I realy do not understand the Linux-eve faction.
If you would realy care about wine you should have recognized that Direct11 support is comming or already availible with wine with the start of the year.
https://www.codeweavers.com/about/blogs/caron/2015/12/10/directx-11-really-james-didnt-lie
And if not, you could support the wine developers with buying one time subscription for crossover and say thank you that you do not have to use Windows...
yeez people.
Also Mac Users I think will be able to move to directX11 when CCP phases out somewhere in the future.
So win-win and all can be happy. (Well almost all. I do not get the Windows people at all. They hate it as much as they use it. What a sadistic attitude) |
Norahb
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Renaissance Federation
7
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Posted - 2016.06.04 01:28:31 -
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Linux user here and loving it so much that I am sticking with it. Windows 10 sucks so bad that I know a lot of people moving to linux for the first time. I've made the decision that any game that can't be played on Linux isn't worth playing.
I also recall hearing or reading that something like 25% of Eve players show up as being on window XP and that a large portion of them were actually Linux users as wine shows up as win XP from what I recall. If you add that to all the Apple users I think that comes up to a pretty healthy percentage of your player base.
Windows is dying if you guys don't have plans to get away from Direct X you risk going down with them. Just look at the numbers and you'll finds the majority of devices connect to the internet are not using a windows OS.
So if you guys do plan on locking out a huge portion of your player base you might want to announce that you will refund anyone's money that they have left in game time if you make the game unplayable or some of us will just cancel subs to avoid getting locked out of playing on paid accounts. |
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
130
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Posted - 2016.06.04 03:15:19 -
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Norahb wrote:Windows is dying if you guys don't have plans to get away from Direct X you risk going down with them. Just look at the numbers and you'll finds the majority of devices connect to the internet are not using a windows OS.
Has Netcraft confirmed that? 'Cause, y'know, they've said BSD has been dying for something like 20 years now. As for "the majority of devices," well, I don't think anybody's going to attempt to FC from their phone. Not even DBRB. |
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
Best Kept Frozen.
LowSechnaya Sholupen
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Posted - 2016.06.04 10:09:50 -
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Quote:we will be removing clouds from the DirectX 9 client in an upcoming release.
Yay, I'm definitely going back to DX9 then so I can get a decent framerate while doing PvE. |
Madeowyn
Pasukan Khas Udara
1
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Posted - 2016.06.04 11:32:32 -
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I'd hate this if I didn't just buy a new PC. It was really nice in EVE that you could play it on an old computer. I could play it on my laptop. Even if you could play on the newer DirectX, the performance could be worse. Not everyone has the money to buy a new PC. |
Helico Tuure
Obsidian Coalition
0
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Posted - 2016.06.04 16:23:10 -
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Linux player here too, DX9 is required for play and I have zero plans to go out and buy a copy of Windows just to play EvE, please think carefully before you alienate a small but passionate group of your subscribers (not to mention everyone else that is chiming in that is telling you DX11 does not work well). |
HellGate fr
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Posted - 2016.06.04 19:54:25 -
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I generally play with at least 16 accs running with 1024*768 windows full low details, idc about dx11 unless it makes the whole thing run faster (does it though ?) ...
The new launcher is very good though, except when I go play on sisi and it clears all my launcher settings (accounts list) for TQ. |
Noah Marquetti
Genesis Resource Acquisitions Corporation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.04 21:19:23 -
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Bring forth OpenGL! |
Primary Suspect
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2016.06.05 02:36:29 -
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When money talks bullshit walks i guess. |
Serg Sinist
Without
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Posted - 2016.06.05 06:43:09 -
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Write engine on OpenGL. It's good alternative from DX9. |
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
263
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Posted - 2016.06.05 08:46:01 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Atum wrote:No bigger than the jump from the original graphics engine to Trinity2... ohh do I remember that, and my friends going "HOLY $#!7!!!" when I showed them that trailer. Maybe something to shoot for in 2020, when DX11 just doesn't look so great anymore? ;) Well in many cases it would be a bigger jump, especially with DX12 where you certainly get more control over your output but nothing comes for free. You need to implement and manage everything your self which has its benefits but also requires a lot of investment in resources and effort. However, as we've done in the past and will continue to do, we will keep EVE looking good so we'll inevitably upgrade away from DX11. Maybe 2020, who knows ;)
Would be good to upgrade to vulkan as directx12 is locked into windows and all the issues win10 brings along. Since you are rewriting a large part of the code you might as well go with an API that works everywhere.
PS: For people that want mumble on directx11 it works with the latest snapshots. You just have to enable show FPS (or similar thing) that keeps the overlay active at all times. If you don't there is a massive memory leak that is cleared every time the overlay is triggered so depending on how chatty the channel you are in you will be fine or constantly crashing. |
Yongtau Naskingar
Yongtau Naskingar Corporation
117
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Posted - 2016.06.05 08:49:56 -
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dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay. |
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2016.06.05 11:55:07 -
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I have seen https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/directx-9-phase-out/?_ga=1.54634860.698391855.1463310971 and I dont get anywhere at EvE Launcher settings that kind of options that picture shows, just at "Game"-tab under DirectX big blue "INFO" picure and "Your computer only supports DirectX 9", and there is no other options I could change.
Problem is, DirectX Diagnostic Tool shows my old laptop with Win 7 (all info seemed correct) is indeed DirectX 11...
So, think you need to advice me a bit here. |
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
Best Kept Frozen.
LowSechnaya Sholupen
150
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Posted - 2016.06.05 12:46:46 -
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Yongtau Naskingar wrote:dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay.
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Both of you have laptops, which often have interesting power saving features. Among those features, they often try to use the integrated graphics over the dedicated GPU. The desktop and launcher are probably running on the integrated GPU and the launcher is checking the capabilities of that, even though the game would run on the dedicated GPU.
I'm not sure how to fix the problem, but first make sure your computers are set to the max performance power plans. If that's not the issue, look around for a setting in some Nvidia/AMD software that forces it to always use the dedicated GPU.
The issue is also probably worthy of a bug report, if the launcher is really getting the wrong info. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P
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338
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:42:55 -
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Miss 'Assassination' Cayman wrote:Quote:we will be removing clouds from the DirectX 9 client in an upcoming release. Yay, I'm definitely going back to DX9 then so I can get a decent framerate while doing PvE.
No need, the reason we have to remove clouds from DX9 is so we can make use of a faster DX11 only rendering approach. Clouds will no longer cause a significant performance drop, it is these types of situations that make us want to push towards dropping DX9 as soon as possible. However, it wonGÇÖt be any time soon, we arenGÇÖt going to drop DX9 tomorrow but we want the player base informed and reminded that it will inevitably happen and we want and need to hear of any remaining DX11 issues so we can address then in the meantime.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:44:22 -
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HellGate fr wrote:I generally play with at least 16 accs running with 1024*768 windows full low details, idc about dx11 unless it makes the whole thing run faster (does it though ?) ...
The new launcher is very good though, except when I go play on sisi and it clears all my launcher settings (accounts list) for TQ.
DirectX 11 offers much better memory management and frame rates than that of DX9. You should try DX11 with all of your accounts, i'd be suprised if you got worse performance.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:47:05 -
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Primary Suspect wrote:When money talks bullshit walks i guess.
I dont quite get your sentiment, except that we will save development resources by being forced to choose less efficient options for the graphic features we impliment. We can then spend our time investigating and implimenting better and more efficient visuals.
For example the clouds, they are slow... we know this and we dont like it! We have an option to make them run faster but it's a DX11 only feature. That is why we're removing them from DX9 and converting them over to the next system for DX11.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:48:08 -
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Yongtau Naskingar wrote:dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay.
That is odd, what OS and GPU do you have?
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:49:45 -
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0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
I'll ask our launcher developers to take a look at this thread, they might want to contact you to get more info on this. Thanks for letting us know!
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2016.06.05 15:45:17 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:0bama Barack Hussein wrote: I'll ask our launcher developers to take a look at this thread, they might want to contact you to get more info on this. Thanks for letting us know!
I hope those pics help Fly Dangerous +û/ |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2016.06.05 17:20:18 -
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0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
This matter wasn't explained in the dev blog.
DirectX Diagnostic Tool only shows latest Direct X version installed in the system (DX 11 in your case).
It doesn't mean that your VIDEO CARD supports that DirectX version.
For example, your Acer Extensa 5630 laptop probably have ATi Radeon HD 3470 on board, which only supports DirectX 10 (will run only DX9 in backward compatibility mode)
In order to know for sure, you should download GPU-Z tool. It will show what exact DirectX version is supported by your video card. |
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
Together We Solo
301
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Posted - 2016.06.05 19:47:03 -
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"one such change will be a new cloud rendering approach which will mean we will be removing clouds from the DirectX 9 client in an upcoming release."
So while the Mac customers wait for DX11 support in Wine you're gonna start removing visuals from us, when we don't even have all of them as it now. This sounds like it's gonna be fun. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
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2085
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Posted - 2016.06.06 00:46:16 -
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HellGate fr wrote:I generally play with at least 16 accs running with 1024*768 windows full low details, idc about dx11 unless it makes the whole thing run faster (does it though ?) ...
DX11 should offer a small performance improvement over DX9 in many cases.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33905
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Posted - 2016.06.06 04:51:35 -
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DirectX 9 lets Mumble overlay work some of the time
DirectX 11 breaks Mumble overlay all the time
This issue is 2 years old now. Any solutions for getting Mumble overlay to work with EVE Online, pretty much the only game that has an issue with Mumble, and has since Rubicon
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33905
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Posted - 2016.06.06 05:13:18 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Arrek Lemmont wrote:EVE itself runs fine for me with DirectX11 but the Mumble overlay won't, so I have to play EVE in DirectX9.
Is CCP working with the Mumble developers to sort out what's going on with Mumble and EVE and DX11? I'm afraid this would be on the Mumble developers, we dont officialy support Mumble integration and I would recommend you file a bug report on their GitHub project.
I will accept this answer if anyone at CCP with Windows 10 64 bit has Mumble overlay working on their computer. That's a canned answer and the fact is EVE's incompatibility with Mumble is a failure.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Darkblad
663
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Posted - 2016.06.06 08:25:37 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I will accept this answer if anyone at CCP with Windows 10 64 bit has Mumble overlay working on their computer. That's a canned answer and the fact is EVE's incompatibility with Mumble is a failure. Not a "solution" per se but a workaround until this gets fixed (read: probably forever): Try this.
NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3867
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Posted - 2016.06.06 15:12:25 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Primary Suspect wrote:When money talks bullshit walks i guess. I dont quite get your sentiment, except that we will save development resources by being forced to choose less efficient options for the graphic features we impliment. We can then spend our time investigating and implimenting better and more efficient visuals. For example the clouds, they are slow... we know this and we dont like it! We have an option to make them run faster but it's a DX11 only feature. That is why we're removing them from DX9 and converting them over to the next system for DX11.
CCP Vertex, I think what he means is players with a lot of money, who can afford to upgrade their computers and most likely have a lot of accounts, get what they want. Whereas those who cannot afford to upgrade and can barely keep one account going are first getting marginalized, and eventually thrown under the bus.
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Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
265
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Posted - 2016.06.06 17:40:07 -
[124] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:DirectX 9 lets Mumble overlay work some of the time
DirectX 11 breaks Mumble overlay all the time
This issue is 2 years old now. Any solutions for getting Mumble overlay to work with EVE Online, pretty much the only game that has an issue with Mumble, and has since Rubicon
As I said. Use test version and make sure overlay is active at all times (otherwise there is a very bad memory leak). Works perfectly by activating show FPS for me (tested with up to 5 clients for hours). |
Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
11
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[125] - Quote
For everyone with complains about DX11
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-560-oem
45$ on ebay |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33905
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Posted - 2016.06.06 20:37:33 -
[126] - Quote
Axhind wrote:Rain6637 wrote:DirectX 9 lets Mumble overlay work some of the time
DirectX 11 breaks Mumble overlay all the time
This issue is 2 years old now. Any solutions for getting Mumble overlay to work with EVE Online, pretty much the only game that has an issue with Mumble, and has since Rubicon As I said. Use test version and make sure overlay is active at all times (otherwise there is a very bad memory leak). Works perfectly by activating show FPS for me (tested with up to 5 clients for hours).
no buddy I know what you said and the issue is a bit more serious and it's why you have people who say it works and others who don't. It comes down to administrator privileges and UAC, apparently.
Quote:First, let's check if your user account has insufficient permissions. If your account has improper permissions, nothing that was suggested before will make a difference.
Step 1. Ensure that your User Account Control (UAC) is entirely disabled.
Go to Start, Control Panel. On the top right, set "View by:" to Small icons. Click on User Accounts. Click on "Change User Account Control settings" and set the bar to the lowest level, "Never notify". Click OK and restart if it prompts you.
Step 2. Activating the true Administrator account.
Go to Start, and in the search bar below your programs, type in Command Prompt. Right-click on the program and press "Run as administrator".
Type in, without the quotations, "net user administrator /active:yes"
If it displays that "Access is denied", go back into cmd and type in, without quotations, "sfc /scannow". This will fix integrity issues with your Windows installation.
If it worked, then log off your account & log into the new Administrator account. Ensure that the User Account Controls are properly set to "Never notify" again on your new account, open up Mumble first, ensure that the overlay is enabled, and then open up EVE.
Then log back in to your original account & in the Command Prompt, without quotations, type in "net user administrator /active:no"
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33905
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Posted - 2016.06.07 03:53:09 -
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You're welcome Vertex
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
266
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Posted - 2016.06.07 05:08:55 -
[128] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Axhind wrote:Rain6637 wrote:DirectX 9 lets Mumble overlay work some of the time
DirectX 11 breaks Mumble overlay all the time
This issue is 2 years old now. Any solutions for getting Mumble overlay to work with EVE Online, pretty much the only game that has an issue with Mumble, and has since Rubicon As I said. Use test version and make sure overlay is active at all times (otherwise there is a very bad memory leak). Works perfectly by activating show FPS for me (tested with up to 5 clients for hours). no buddy I know what you said and the issue is a bit more serious and it's why you have people who say it works and others who don't. It comes down to administrator privileges and UAC, apparently. Quote:First, let's check if your user account has insufficient permissions. If your account has improper permissions, nothing that was suggested before will make a difference.
Step 1. Ensure that your User Account Control (UAC) is entirely disabled.
Go to Start, Control Panel. On the top right, set "View by:" to Small icons. Click on User Accounts. Click on "Change User Account Control settings" and set the bar to the lowest level, "Never notify". Click OK and restart if it prompts you.
Step 2. Activating the true Administrator account.
Go to Start, and in the search bar below your programs, type in Command Prompt. Right-click on the program and press "Run as administrator".
Type in, without the quotations, "net user administrator /active:yes"
If it displays that "Access is denied", go back into cmd and type in, without quotations, "sfc /scannow". This will fix integrity issues with your Windows installation.
If it worked, then log off your account & log into the new Administrator account. Ensure that the User Account Controls are properly set to "Never notify" again on your new account, open up Mumble first, ensure that the overlay is enabled, and then open up EVE.
Then log back in to your original account & in the Command Prompt, without quotations, type in "net user administrator /active:no"
As discussed in Jabber this is for the confused people using win10. If you are using win7 then no need to muck around with UAC. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33905
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Posted - 2016.06.07 14:30:42 -
[129] - Quote
Windows 7? Do you play EVE on a government computer or something
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
95
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Posted - 2016.06.07 19:02:38 -
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On a secure computer. Hence W7. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33905
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Posted - 2016.06.07 19:06:42 -
[131] - Quote
totally worth still using Windows 7.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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CCP Maxwell
C C P
C C P Alliance
91
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Posted - 2016.06.08 09:55:57 -
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Yongtau Naskingar wrote:dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay.
Are you still using the old launcher? This should not happen in the new launcher.
You can get it here: https://community.eveonline.com/support/download/
CCP Maxwell - QA Engineer - Team RnB
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CCP Maxwell
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C C P Alliance
91
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Coredeath Cicada wrote:Arrakis Askiras wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:So for those of us who play on older hardware, we're **** outta luck eh? Thanks CCP. G-FING-G
Not just people with old hardware. Got a spanking new ATI/AMD graphics card (well, not spanking new but almost: R9 390) and with DX11 I had frequent crashes which caused me to lose two ships (a Proteus and a cheap frig). Since I've switched to DX9 I've had no crashes. Apparently I'm not the only one with that problem. It's nice that CCP intends to move forwards but please make sure that everything works on the 'new' API before you switch old the more stable legacy mode. I also use a R9 390x, I can confirm using DX11 crashes my system and since turning back to DX9 Ive had no crashes and no performance issues, in fact the game runs smoother. For example, that gas cloud on the Amarr trade hub, no slowdown in DX9, slowdown in DX11 + crashing. My ticket was told to 'Just go to DX9' after filing my log and error report to CCP. Not a fix, just a temp solution and left it at that. Midn you that was back in 2015. If a plugs being pulled can the ATI card users get some stable love first?
Any chance I can get you to try DX11 again, preferably with logging enabled, so that if you run into a crash you could send me the log?
CCP Maxwell - QA Engineer - Team RnB
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venom zp
Fair People
Hard Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.06.10 17:00:36 -
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GeForce gts 250 with dx10 will work ? Checkmark near dx9 in launcher settings are not , but ctrl+F in game shows dx9 |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
2112
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:50:55 -
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venom zp wrote:GeForce gts 250 with dx10 will work ?
When DirectX 9 is deprecated, you will need a DX11-compatible GPU to run Eve. The Nvidia GeForce GTS 250 does not support DX11, so at that point you'll have to upgrade.
Note that DX11 graphics cards have been out a long time and it should be possible to get a compatible GPU for a very modest price.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Bloph
Lamarr Industries
Rock Ridge Alliance
17
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Posted - 2016.06.13 19:10:40 -
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CCP Maxwell wrote:Yongtau Naskingar wrote:dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay. Are you still using the old launcher? This should not happen in the new launcher. You can get it here: https://community.eveonline.com/support/download/
Downloaded, on running it says it will wipe my current installation of Eve & re-install. But I only need the new launcher, why the sledgehammer?
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6029
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Posted - 2016.06.13 23:48:24 -
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Bloph wrote:CCP Maxwell wrote:Yongtau Naskingar wrote:dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay. Are you still using the old launcher? This should not happen in the new launcher. You can get it here: https://community.eveonline.com/support/download/ Downloaded, on running it says it will wipe my current installation of Eve & re-install. But I only need the new launcher, why the sledgehammer?
Bear in mind it's talking _specifically_ about the client, not the shared cache.
It stores the client in a different location, than the old launcher did. In part, so you don't have permissions issues for updates, which cropped up on a semi regular basis with the old launcher.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
497
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Posted - 2016.06.20 21:44:34 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Vertex, I think what he means is players with a lot of money, who can afford to upgrade their computers and most likely have a lot of accounts, get what they want. Whereas those who cannot afford to upgrade and can barely keep one account going are first getting marginalized, and eventually thrown under the bus.
If your playing on a 5+ year old computer and can't afford to upgrade or even just buy a cheap more upto date machine. Your hardly going to pay the subscription fee or even grind. Most computers have a Mean Time Before Failure of about 3-5 years. Your machine could die any minute. Your telling me you won't replace it in that situation?
In other news i am outraged CCP won't let me play Eve on my old 486 (yes i have one. It sort of works, with 4Megs of very flaky ram and a floppy drive! It has a 1G HDD wow. )
AKA the scientist.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33942
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Posted - 2016.06.20 22:09:48 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Vertex, I think what he means is players with a lot of money, who can afford to upgrade their computers and most likely have a lot of accounts, get what they want. Whereas those who cannot afford to upgrade and can barely keep one account going are first getting marginalized, and eventually thrown under the bus.
If your playing on a 5+ year old computer and can't afford to upgrade or even just buy a cheap more upto date machine. Your hardly going to pay the subscription fee or even grind. Most computers have a Mean Time Before Failure of about 3-5 years. Your machine could die any minute. Your telling me you won't replace it in that situation? In other news i am outraged CCP won't let me play Eve on my old 486 (yes i have one. It sort of works, with 4Megs of very flaky ram and a floppy drive! It has a 1G HDD wow. )
If he still has it, Falcon has kept his computer running for a decade or something crazy like that.
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ube smoked
State War Academy
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2016.06.23 13:10:16 -
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Lord's Prophet wrote:Linux users require DX9 too.
Time to upgrade to Windows. |
marly cortez
Mercurialis Inc.
The Bastion
160
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Posted - 2016.06.24 07:51:52 -
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Seems a little perverse that a company suffering such a drop in accounts over a past few years, mostly attributed to there own actions, should again choose to follow a path of introducing yet another 'Credit Card Barrier' into Eve so shutting out even more players.
Why would anyone think this is a good idea, but then looking at the Graphics situation overall it's not really surprising to hear but maybe CCP Devs need to take stock of one or two facts,
Not everyone has unlimited funds to own anything other than a basic computer setup.
Those in the above area have little interest in the updates to graphics as they cannot partake in them anyway so to them they are meaningless, Clouds, Skins what ever they simply cannot run there graphics at the levels required to even see them and for some the station graphics cause them real problems.
Eve was always a game for everyone, if you could get online you could at one time run Eve but this has been lost along the way to a sea of graphics updates most of which a large swathe of players simply find unusable, not really surprising they feel as if they do not matter to CCP.
Removal of DX9 back compatibility will not stand CCP in good stead to those unable to use DX11 simply because they cannot afford to update there graphics cards. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33976
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Posted - 2016.06.24 15:16:46 -
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My clients keep crashing on DX11 at least once per session. I've sent a detailed bug report with error logs. I'm going back to DX9 for now and if you switch us over and the crashes continue I'm going to be very loud. You will get a bug report each time, if not also support tickets for lost ships.
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.24 16:21:13 -
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Rain6637 wrote:My clients keep crashing on DX11 at least once per session. I've sent a detailed bug report with error logs. I'm going back to DX9 for now and if you switch us over and the crashes continue I'm going to be very loud. You will get a bug report each time, if not also support tickets for lost ships.
Can you please send me your bug report number (starts with EBR- and you can see it here) in-game?
Or post it here, that's fine too.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33993
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Posted - 2016.06.27 05:38:04 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:My clients keep crashing on DX11 at least once per session. I've sent a detailed bug report with error logs. I'm going back to DX9 for now and if you switch us over and the crashes continue I'm going to be very loud. You will get a bug report each time, if not also support tickets for lost ships. Can you please send me your bug report number (starts with EBR- and you can see it here) in-game? Or post it here, that's fine too.
Hey Darwin, it's EBR-85639. There was a main log that included crash times and several other logs that had corresponding timestamps. I sent them all. I think the logs are related to two separate crashes.
I can get them to crash pretty consistently, and if you want me to try something just lemme know. I will start watching this thread closely.
Also worth noting is after making the client delay "0 seconds" in the launcher, I ran into an error message that said the cache files were unavailable. I didn't take a screenshot, unfortunately.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33993
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Posted - 2016.06.27 05:45:45 -
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The oddest part about the crashes is they don't happen during anything in particular. They seem to be a random. Sometimes I'm interacting with the client, and other times I'm sitting around in station or in space doing nothing. Sometimes the crash is across several clients, and other times just one.
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
2130
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Posted - 2016.06.27 10:30:44 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Hey Darwin, it's EBR-85639.
Thanks! Sent you a response to your EVE mail on this account. Appreciate the bug report!
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33994
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Posted - 2016.06.27 13:20:46 -
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I'm glad to help and I'm looking forward to learning more about this issue. Thanks for your attention. I have some appointments today and after I get back from them I will start putting my system through its paces.
XOXO
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33996
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Posted - 2016.06.27 16:47:51 -
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There is another message for you and another daily bug report.
My new dailies.
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Ytamii Arval
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Posted - 2016.08.22 03:47:35 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:HellGate fr wrote:I generally play with at least 16 accs running with 1024*768 windows full low details, idc about dx11 unless it makes the whole thing run faster (does it though ?) ...
The new launcher is very good though, except when I go play on sisi and it clears all my launcher settings (accounts list) for TQ. DirectX 11 offers much better memory management and frame rates than that of DX9. You should try DX11 with all of your accounts, i'd be suprised if you got worse performance.
In that case, I hope you're sitting down for this. I'm filing a bug report which shows that my in-space fps drops from 60 to 40 when I switch from DX9 to DX11 (ID EBR-91315). As bad as that sounds, it's actually an improvement. It used to drop by 50%. Oddly, they get exactly the same fps in-CQ.
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Absolute Intoleranto
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:29:12 -
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If you want to change the API, why wont you use Vulkan instead of DX11?
Every card that runs DX11 should be able to run DX12 and Vulkan.
In other words, you shouldnt lose much more in comparison to your current plans.
Nvidia seems to support Vulkan on Linux.
Nividia Linux/Vulkan
The same should be with AMD.
I am not entirely sure, but I remember DX11 being massively hardware hungry.
Vulkan on the other side should provide a perfomance boost.
Something EVE players would appreciate.
Speaking for myself, I am running the game on DX11. (Since DX9 isnt appointed on my client) |
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
134
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Posted - 2016.10.23 11:21:43 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:CCP haven't officially supported Linux in a long long time. They may make an effort for it to run (CCP Snorlax has done work here), but it's not a market they support.
Long out of date with this comment I know, but if CCP are willing to take my money then why on earth do they say that they will not support us?
Not that Linux users need a lot of support. By their very nature Linux users are self-sufficient, IT savvy and used to searching for solutions from other players and web searches. So no big overheads, just a bit of give and take. At the moment it's all take on CCP's part and no give "We do not support Linux". That's not really a very good attitude to have when you are happy to accept a player's money. |
YeuxVerts Belle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2016.10.25 10:23:01 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote:At the moment it's all take on CCP's part and no give "We do not support Linux". That's not really a very good attitude to have when you are happy to accept a player's money.
CCP provide a software and an account. They specify the software isn't supported on Linux. You're trying to use the software on Linux and complaining. This is a poor attitude.
Quite frankly, for a non-Linux compliant software, CCP is providing us with awesome Linux support.
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