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Gift Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:08:00 - [31] The game has gone downhill, pretty simple really. Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Forum Alt Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. This is not misunderstanding the playerbase. This is understanding the game. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Falcione Mortis Angelus Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:43:00 - [33] People need to stop giving CCP so much grief. Whenever i log into EVE, I have fun whether I'm ganking someone or getting my latest ship blown to pieces. I don't think EVE has gone downhill since I've started playing. The forums really make things look a lot worse then they are My Bio in Progress Prologue / CH.1
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Forum Alt Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. This is not misunderstanding the playerbase. This is understanding the game. Classic...
Ishiko Tanaka	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:52:00 - [35] I make it a point to let people know exactly what has happened on Eve and how little the Devs actually due to try and truely fix it. The recent PR stunt of the IA as a means to stop cheating when the individual has shown he can't stop people cheating. The T2 lottery being rigged or broken in some way. All these things are valid bits of information new players must know about before starting on any game that has the complexity and challenges of Eve. I'm not sorry that their ratings are dropping. I think it is a good event. Maybe once the Devs realize how their actions are creating a large amount of negative publicity, they'll wake up and actually fix stuff.
V0rador Amarr Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:13:00 - [36] eve slipping on mmorg.com coz of cheat accusation. and i'll not vote for them next time same with many peoples i guess. sadly i'll dont vote at all as there isnt any other mmorg like eve , ccp can sleep well. Tick Tock Tick Tock
WeaponsHot	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:27:00 - [37] Let me see read this Connections Skill BOB = D D = C C = CCP so CCP = BOB EVE survives because is the only net-space "sim" (right-click-target-hit-brainless-kill type of game) But once other space-sim proper built appears then EVE will fall considerably for sure.
Elenoar	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:31:00 - [38] They won't change their ways until they get hit in the purse.
Nymos Fimbulvintr	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Forum Alt Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:47:03 It's simple really. Read the comments of the people on there that are rating it. Here are the reasons I see after reading several pages and I totally agree with them. Ranked in order of importance. 1 being the most important. Lots of little irritating bugs that NEVER get fixed EVER. These little things add up and over time give the impression that the game is held together with string and bubble gum. Constant addition of new shiny content that is also broken and never gets fixed on top of the things that are already broken and never get fixed.(i.e. Obvious lack of understanding of what is important and what is not.) Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. Dev misconduct regarding T2 BPO handouts/cheating and lack of justice regarding those that knew and profitted from it. These are not my personal opinions but I do agree with them. I'm simply putting together a summary of what I see as the biggest issues people are having with Eve from the MMORPG.com comments and forums. yup i agree with the broken stuff. it appears as if ccp wants to make eve look so oldschool that people can say "man drones are still bugged like in beta". also, some things in eve combat need to be re-designed: logistic ships are pointless, so are defender missiles and carriers are still just 0.0 haulers or assign their fighters to frigs. oh and not to mention carrier bonuses... when were they introduced? oh yea a while ago... about the agent changes: noone will bring their precious mission boats lo low/no sec. i like to kill people, i'm focussed on that part, but i understand not everyone wants to kill each other and that's fine. ccp absolutely needs to make low sec and 0.0 more attractive that's for sure. if you look at posts by new players they get the impression (probably by "veterans" in noob corps that never got out of motsu and give out advice) that below .5 there are leetspeeking teenagers gate camping and instapopping everything. 2 weeks ago i entered 0.0 from eoa in geminate, through vale of silent, back to geminate, down to great wildlands, insmother, new regions, exited in skarkon. there was not a soul, most systems were totally empty. i found 2-3 npcers and a blob escorting haulers, that's all. bob/dev thing: well, what can ccp do? they admitted it, made a public statement and established a department for internal controls. as ccp is growing such things become necessary and now was the point it had to be done. ccp is learning too as they grow! the eve community should just hop in combat ships and go kill bob if that bpo thing is so important to them instead of whining and voting negatively. you know, first, most of these people are not affected in any way. second, this is eve! you don't like the political landscape of eve? team up with like-minded people and do something about it! bob has too much t2? kill them and loot their stuff. this is not RL politics where you vote another party and still everything stays the same. here you can change things. --
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:25:00 - [40] Originally by: The Internets MMORPG gave EVE best PvE out of all MMOs, that pretty much invalidates anything on that website so there's no need to worry. Yeah! Those rankings means nothing.

Sixtyniner The Movement	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Forum Alt Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:47:03 Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. It¦s so funny when people hear PVP they think pew pew. I hope you know that the market is PVP? Players competing on the market for most/best sells. Devs want more PVP, thus more players interacting with eachother in a way. Is is a PVP-game, be it pew pew or the market.
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Sixtyniner Originally by: Forum Alt Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:47:03 Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. It¦s so funny when people hear PVP they think pew pew. I hope you know that the market is PVP? Players competing on the market for most/best sells. Devs want more PVP, thus more players interacting with eachother in a way. Is is a PVP-game, be it pew pew or the market. Very true! However, the overall aire of the blog in question seemed to focus on moving people into areas where they would need to "pew pew". The blog itself wasn't really the issue. It was the implication of what was being said between the lines so to speak. The sheer amount of comments to that effect on the blog's comments thread shows the confusion and how it was perceived by a large portion of the playerbase. Even though it was stated in that very blog that PvP isn't only direct combat, that was negated and overwhelmed by the type of PvP that would be required in order to experience the proposed changes (mission runner vs. gank). This is where the problem occured.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP.
WeaponsHot	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:26:00 - [44] Finally a game where ships can be controlled as ships in space and shots doesn't seem to be right-click-target-hit-brainless-kill. No doubts that Infinity will have my subscription as soon as the game gets out (if it gets out)... once then I would say bye EVE.
Ashira Twilight	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:30:00 - [45] Edited by: Ashira Twilight on 03/03/2007 02:28:06 I know I stopped recommending EVE to other gamers. I'm still hooked, and still have hope for the future...but it wouldn't really take much for another [new] game to rip me away. I didn't mind that the people who make this game play it, I thought it was cool. I, however, did not like hearing that d20 gave himself(and his corp/alliance) a "little" boost. I had heard the rumors of dev support to the "elite" players of this game, and thought them totally untrue and unfounded. Why would the most talked-about group of players in the game need help? I thought for sure, that behind closed doors, ccp was cheering for the underdog. What do you mean, we only have two rapier bpos in the alliance? I'll fix that! That incident in and of itself wasn't what really got me, what got me is thinking about how many other times it happened, and we'll never know. But, I do have to say that since I lost my plans of being a LONG-TIME Eve player, I've been cutting lose a lot more and having TONS more fun. That's enough ranting from me, gotta go grind some missions all weekend so I can afford to buy my alt another zealot when he loses the one I got him last weekend. It's only been in structure four times this week. =)
Dittatore Chuskarl's Family Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:56:00 - [46] Edited by: Dittatore on 03/03/2007 02:53:04 Why people play EVE? Because it's supposed to be fun. Why people leave EVE? Because it ain't fun when you discover dev/gm cheat in your same game.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:04:00 - [47] Originally by: phatpanda I am sure the new accusation about Dev's involvement with LV didnt help neither... Considering that 'accusation' uncovered that Enslaver stepped down from LV command when offered and accepting a job at CCP, I'd say that's a pretty weak scandal, and only the most tinfoiled of people are upset by it. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Forum Alt Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Forum Alt Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. This is not misunderstanding the playerbase. This is understanding the game. Classic... You don't come to a game that is player driven and involves tons of PVP, and expect it to turn Pve just for you. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:23:00 - [49] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia You don't come to a game that is player driven and involves tons of PVP, and expect it to turn Pve just for you. 100% correct. However, I can understand the PvE players becoming upset when the devs tell them they are playing the game wrong. Look at it from their point of view. What if the devs said "We are going to try to move more PvP'ers into PvE because we don't think they are playing the game correctly." I can totally understand why they would feel insulted.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:28:00 - [50] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 03/03/2007 03:27:45 Originally by: Domalais Online polls are non-random trash anyway. Only people who feel strongly about the game comment and vote, so it becomes a competition between fanbois and haters. Bingo we have a winner! This is about the only guy in this thread who "gets it" 90% of the people who play EvE don't vote. It then comes down to the fanbois versus the flamers. Who really cares anyway? MMORPG's ratings and rankings are almost exactly like the IMDB's ratings. IMDB stands for Internet Movie Database and is a site where anyone can review and rank a movie. When there is a movie which gets a high score and someone doesn't like that movie, they go to the comment section and rant and rave "Oh my God, this piece of trash deserves a 6.6???" That same person also votes a score of 1 for that movie just to low the overall rating. This is very similar to how MMORPG'S rankings work. It is also amazing these muppets get all bent out of shape over a meaningless number.

Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:49:00 - [51] Quote: If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. I would say they are emphasising more pvp WHILE making it harder to earn ISK, at least in Empire. Which is one reason why people are catching the ass. The whole t20 thing, sure it aggravated me, not the fact that DEVS play in the game, but that they are in HUGE ASS GAME SHAKING ALLIANCES. Play the damn game all you want, just do it in small corps, where no taint of preferential treatment will occur. TBH,, the absolute worst thing I dislike though is: crappy buggy forums, long lasting bugs, sploits which become "game features", and all the small "quality of life" stuff that should make a game seem polished and professional, seemingly left by the wayside in a mad rush to provide more pew pew content, and more gigantic alliance type 0.0 content.
benzss Gallente The Peoples Republic of Power	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:16:00 - [52] There're a whole load of molehills masquerading as mountains in this thread. The fact of the matter is that no matter how good something is, somebody will always find something wrong with it. I find it odd that the dev scandal seems to have been such a big deal to the casual user (which it probably wasn't ;))
benzss Gallente The Peoples Republic of Power	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:16:00 - [53] There're a whole load of molehills masquerading as mountains in this thread. The fact of the matter is that no matter how good something is, somebody will always find something wrong with it. I find it odd that the dev scandal seems to have been such a big deal to the casual user (which it probably wasn't ;))
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:18:00 - [54] This happened around the time the dev misconduct stuff surfaced. Its unfortunate that ccp didnt handle it better. ______________ Pod from above.
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:18:00 - [55] This happened around the time the dev misconduct stuff surfaced. Its unfortunate that ccp didnt handle it better. ______________ Pod from above.
xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:37:00 - [56] surely it will go back up once bob is diminished --- http://www.razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=kills
xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:37:00 - [57] surely it will go back up once bob is diminished --- http://www.razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=kills
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:40:00 - [58] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. Exactly what I and I Believe many more think. Lovering mission incomes, will not hurt big estabilished Corporations too much, but will hit badly hit every small Corp whitch is slowly growing on player base and income and preparing for big 0.0, Because for that you need mainly 2 things, Skills, whitch take time to get and ISK whitch you make when training skills.
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:40:00 - [59] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. Exactly what I and I Believe many more think. Lovering mission incomes, will not hurt big estabilished Corporations too much, but will hit badly hit every small Corp whitch is slowly growing on player base and income and preparing for big 0.0, Because for that you need mainly 2 things, Skills, whitch take time to get and ISK whitch you make when training skills.
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. Exactly what I and I Believe many more think. Lovering mission incomes, will not hurt big estabilished Corporations too much, but will hit badly hit every small Corp whitch is slowly growing on player base and income and preparing for big 0.0, Because for that you need mainly 2 things, Skills, whitch take time to get and ISK whitch you make when training skills.



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