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Angelfang
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:11:00 -
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I don't go there very often (mmorpg.com) but that's how I found out about Eve and decided to play it. Eve was the top ranking mmorg at the time....
Anyone want chime in with why they think the rankings are slipping???
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:12:00 -
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Eve has stood the test of time but my guess is that there is alway's a new buzz and the fotm stuff etc. I have been in eve for 2 year's and have no intention of leaving. <3
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ryas Nia on 02/03/2007 14:15:45
i will guess the large number of players who joined in the last 6mths who are unhappy with the "pvp" aspect of the game.
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it also looks like the dev/bob thing has made quiet a few people post some negative things on the site and im sure that does not help. Its really to bad that happened because its hurting ccp more than i think they even knew. The biggest shame is that the player base cant forgive and move on, devs are not gods mistakes are made. I for one would rather they play the game than be detached and unaware of the things we go through each day, and i truly believe thats what has kept this game as good as it is over the last few years.
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Angelfang
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:20:00 -
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I was reading through some of the whines over on their site and all of the recent ones revolved around the recent scandal with the devs. I think a LOT of trust was lost when that happened.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:23:00 -
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Its pretty bad when EQII bumps us from the list...But closeing in fast is EQ!!!
Good thing I still have all the Expansions for EQ....
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Angelfang
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:24:00 -
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I was shocked to see Guildwars at the top!?!?
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Forum Alt
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:46:26
It's simple really. Read the comments of the people on there that are rating it. Here are the reasons I see after reading several pages and I totally agree with them. Ranked in order of importance. 1 being the most important.- Lots of little irritating bugs that NEVER get fixed EVER. These little things add up and over time give the impression that the game is held together with string and bubble gum.
- Constant addition of new shiny content that is also broken and never gets fixed on top of the things that are already broken and never get fixed.(i.e. Obvious lack of understanding of what is important and what is not.)
- Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly.
- Dev misconduct regarding T2 BPO handouts/cheating and lack of justice regarding those that knew and profitted from it.
These are not my personal opinions but I do agree with them. I'm simply putting together a summary of what I see as the biggest issues people are having with Eve from the MMORPG.com comments and forums.
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foxxee
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:41:00 -
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I think the amount of hype over the 'dev scandal' harmed eve a fair bit.
It is real shame that such an innocuous event was exploited by so many to the detriment of the game. In the whole scheme of things it was a very minor incident.
Fortunately this have mostly died down. Hopefully the game will recover in a few months when this issue is washed under the bridge by other events.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:44:00 -
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You believe that you read on the Internet?
Simply, no online poll or survey is close to accurate, it just reflects the feelings of who happened to be online during the 24 hours or so that they accepted submissions and opinions. IE. It all depends on when it was done, who did it AND who they told the poll was happening.
EVE was top ranked in December on that very site and took best game (2006) in multiple categories. This time around none of the EVE community even knew that they were doing a review, so no one in the community added thier voice on EVE's side......
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oveur --> Eve is PRIMARILY a PvP game.
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The Internets
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:58:00 -
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MMORPG gave EVE best PvE out of all MMOs, that pretty much invalidates anything on that website so there's no need to worry.
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Forum Alt
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
You believe that you read on the Internet?
Simply, no online poll or survey is close to accurate, it just reflects the feelings of who happened to be online during the 24 hours or so that they accepted submissions and opinions. IE. It all depends on when it was done, who did it AND who they told the poll was happening.
EVE was top ranked in December on that very site and took best game (2006) in multiple categories. This time around none of the EVE community even knew that they were doing a review, so no one in the community added thier voice on EVE's side......
Not sure what you mean. You can do a review and rate the game on MMORPG.com at any time. You just need an account and some activity on it to reduce rating spamming.
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phatpanda
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:11:00 -
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I am sure the new accusation about Dev's involvement with LV didnt help neither...
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Chewan Mesa
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 02/03/2007 15:20:27
Originally by: Forum Alt
Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:47:03
It's simple really. Read the comments of the people on there that are rating it. Here are the reasons I see after reading several pages and I totally agree with them. Ranked in order of importance. 1 being the most important.- Lots of little irritating bugs that NEVER get fixed EVER. These little things add up and over time give the impression that the game is held together with string and bubble gum.
- Constant addition of new shiny content that is also broken and never gets fixed on top of the things that are already broken and never get fixed.(i.e. Obvious lack of understanding of what is important and what is not.)
- Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly.
- Dev misconduct regarding T2 BPO handouts/cheating and lack of justice regarding those that knew and profitted from it.
These are not my personal opinions but I do agree with them. I'm simply putting together a summary of what I see as the biggest issues people are having with Eve from the MMORPG.com comments and forums.
lol you make it look like you signed up to an PvE-focused game and now the evil Devs dare to bring in loads of PvP.
EVE IS PvP, dont like it, dont play it. No use whining about too much pvp. Its what the devs want, its what us older players love.
The lower EVE drops on some "ranking" the better, as less noobs who whine all the time apply and find out what EVE really is about and then request the game changed to their style.
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Forum Alt
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Chewan Mesa
Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 02/03/2007 15:20:27
Originally by: Forum Alt
Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:47:03
It's simple really. Read the comments of the people on there that are rating it. Here are the reasons I see after reading several pages and I totally agree with them. Ranked in order of importance. 1 being the most important.- Lots of little irritating bugs that NEVER get fixed EVER. These little things add up and over time give the impression that the game is held together with string and bubble gum.
- Constant addition of new shiny content that is also broken and never gets fixed on top of the things that are already broken and never get fixed.(i.e. Obvious lack of understanding of what is important and what is not.)
- Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly.
- Dev misconduct regarding T2 BPO handouts/cheating and lack of justice regarding those that knew and profitted from it.
These are not my personal opinions but I do agree with them. I'm simply putting together a summary of what I see as the biggest issues people are having with Eve from the MMORPG.com comments and forums.
lol you make it look like you signed up to an PvE-focused game and now the evil Devs dare to bring in loads of PvP.
EVE IS PvP, dont like it, dont play it. No use whining about too much pvp. Its what the devs want, its what us older players love.
The lower EVE drops on some "ranking" the better, as less noobs who whine all the time apply and find out what EVE really is about and then request the game changed to their style.
You are more than welcome to log into MMORPG.com and read for yourself. I was simply giving a summary. Thanks for the thoughtless attack. It was amusing 
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Chewan Mesa
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 02/03/2007 15:23:57
Replace "you" with "they" and there you go. Thank you very much for pointing out the flaw in my post, and your summary is very much appreciated, since it saves us reading it over there.
Love and huggles.
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Disteeler
Segunda Fundacion
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:29:00 -
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Thought it only went from 8.3 to 8.2, it felt from teh 1st position the same week as the BoB dev giving bpo "issue" was risen in teh forum. It was at the 1st position for as long as I can remember (+1 year for sure)
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Disteeler
Segunda Fundacion
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:29:00 -
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Thought it only went from 8.3 to 8.2, it felt from teh 1st position the same week as the BoB dev giving bpo "issue" was risen in teh forum. It was at the 1st position for as long as I can remember (+1 year for sure)
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:31:00 -
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Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to.
However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base.
Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile.
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:31:00 -
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Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to.
However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base.
Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile.
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Lord BlackSter
The Syndicate Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:41:00 -
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EvE is the best MMOPG.
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Chewan Mesa
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:46:00 -
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Hhmm, I did share the worries about CCP just giving more and more content and ships etc out without fixing things, but since I still believe in CCP, their latest Dev Blogs have been pretty telling.
They postponed Factional Warfare, and Rev. 2.0 as a whole, as well as other "new features" into Rev 2.0 or even 3.0, because they wanted to focus on discouraging blobs, adding and fixing "combat" and Sov. of systems, as well as POSs.
This whole "need for speed" thing is directed at fixing current content, or replacing it with ebtter code, rather than throwing new bugged stuff out. Would they want to do that we'd get factional warfare in Rev 2 in a week.
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Rakeris
Brethren Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Angelfang
I was shocked to see Guildwars at the top!?!?
Why is that? It has some of the best support I have seen in a long time, bugs get fixed very quickly for the most part. The pvp is fun (despite you can't lose anything) there is very little grind. (unless you like to do that kinda thing) I can't really say much bad about the game except that there are a lot of annoying kids but with heroes you never have to play with them except in pvp...
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TheFirstInquisitor
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rakeris
Originally by: Angelfang
I was shocked to see Guildwars at the top!?!?
Why is that? It has some of the best support I have seen in a long time, bugs get fixed very quickly for the most part. The pvp is fun (despite you can't lose anything) there is very little grind. (unless you like to do that kinda thing) I can't really say much bad about the game except that there are a lot of annoying kids but with heroes you never have to play with them except in pvp...
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Boot it up, play, have fun. ^^
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Domalais
Equilibrium LLC
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:04:00 -
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Online polls are non-random trash anyway. Only people who feel strongly about the game comment and vote, so it becomes a competition between fanbois and haters.
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Zabrina
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:08:00 -
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People underestimate the seriousness of Dev misconduct. Though it's not misconduct. It's their sandbox they can do whatever the want with it. Needless to say, whenever you see misconduct, you've only seen 20% of it and when ever admitted to, they've only admitted to 20% of whats going on.
This stupid notion that Eve is a PvP game. I don't care that the big guy says it is. It's not. It's fascist corporate warfare, with virtual physical and economic violence. The only thing it lacks is subterfuge. As long as CCP keeps catering to and trying to encourage individual PvP, this game will drag on down hill until replaced. Wanton piracy should have permanent ramifications whether in 0.0 or lowsec or empire. Wanton Piracy meaning PvP with out wardec.
My game play style is 80% non PvP and 20% group operations PvP. I'm sure it's much the same with the average player. The moment CCP takes away the fun and sense of accomplishment I get from the 80%, then I'm gone and on to a new game.
Pirates of the Burning Sea is really going to give Eve Some problems.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:23:00 -
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A very large number of people, whether they left EVE or not, set their ratings of EVE on MMORPG.com to all 1s after the dev/bob incident and the subsequent forum whitewashing.
This, obviously, hurt EVE's rank.
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St Dragon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:08:00 -
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Actually im a regular daily visitor there its one thig That caused us to slip 4 places really.
The dev misconduct and mis-handling by ccp.
when it came out the hacker who revieled what was happening made severall very comprehensive posts about it in several of MMORPG's forums. And as a lot of peple there ahte eve anyway they carried on the trend. And eve just plumeted from the top.
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:12:00 -
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The next BIG MMO that will be wildly successful will be the one that allows anyone to do what they want, such as eve tries to do. it will be a sandbox however people that want to play the game for the non-PvP aspect of it will be allowed to do so w/o being forced into it as CCP is attempting *ref. Ovouer's comment about pushing the PvE'ers into PvP*
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Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom.
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Juranth Narath
Amarr
Harvest System
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:23:00 -
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Simply put, no one game is ever the best all the time. Just because it isn't on top, doesn't mean it still isn't fun, and isn't that the reason why we play games, because they're fun?
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Angelfang
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Posted - 2007.03.02 19:07:00 -
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My random thoughts about Eve after playing for just a year and reading the forums everyday while I'm at work. 
Thought #1
I'd rate myself as a casual player - meaning I live the carebear life for about 2 - 3 hours a day and a lot more on the weekends. I'm in a small corp with little resources so I can't afford to live in lowsec and loose a ship every other day. I can understand the dev's push to increase the incentive to get people to go to lowsec but honestly, I can't afford to worry about loosing a BS because it's fitted for a much tougher mission and worry about people trying to pop me while i'm limping back from a mission to repair myself. So I'll probably stay in high sec and adjust my game play for when they meddle with the lvl 4 missions as they are now. My fun in the game is simply managing resources for myself and corp mates, running missions and training up for new toys that allow me to do the same thing a different way.
Thought #2
I remember reading through posts a while back when the dev scandal broke. My first thought is, who cares,that doesn't really affect me. Then some more posts about whether devs should play the game they design. IMHO, it's a given that they should play it. What concerns me is that, from what I've gathered, they're members of a very large alliance and as such has a great deal of influence on how we play their game. Comparing them to politicians that listen to lobbyists when they decide what laws to make... it only seems natural that their lobbyists are their corp mates. Having said that, I would place the future of Eve's game play in the hands of not only the devs, but the lobbyists that they listen to.
So, as far as I'm concerned, at this point, I'd still rank Eve as the best I've seen or read about and I still enjoy the game more than any other in the past. I'll continue to play until the lobbyists ruin it for me.
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