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Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:44:00 - [61] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. Exactly what I and I Believe many more think. Lovering mission incomes, will not hurt big estabilished Corporations too much, but will hit badly hit every small Corp whitch is slowly growing on player base and income and preparing for big 0.0, Because for that you need mainly 2 things, Skills, whitch take time to get and ISK whitch you make when training skills.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.03.03 13:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. Liquid Vision is quite right. Eve success is a mixture of reasons and not entirely been down to it been a good game until recently. Primarily this has been that eve has filled a market niche anyone that got good business sense or has taken a business course will realise the currently CCP has the home feild advantage, when it came onto the market the MMO industry was and still is predominately fantasy orientated tapping on the existing market of table top role players, and has evolved slightly to encorporate more combat orientated rather than character development styles of play. But the industry has never really catered to the sci-fi orientated market, CCP managed to hit that market niche head on and exploit it fully, but as with any market niche out there, the time your the sole provider in that area is very limited and there are a number of games in development some already coming to the market, these WILL take chunks away from eve's market share and there will be competitors that are equal and better to eve. Though eve getting its market share bashed might be bad it may also be good. Companies fighting over players have to deal with issues very fast to prevent user loss where as CCP at the moment knows people have very little choice. So CCP does have to wake up and do something pre-emptively or it will simply loose out when the time comes. In fact i would be surprised if the dev misconduct gets remembered as the start of the end for EVE Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Plasticine Perfection	Posted - 2007.03.03 14:29:00 - [63] A lot of CCP supporters here seem to be forgetting that it's not really important what current players feel about the cheating devs/bob thing - only a small minority will cancel over this. What's important is what potential new players feel about it, something we'll never know on these forums. EVE has an average player subscription period of about a year, yeah? Something like that anyway. So without a continual influx of new players it WILL decline in time. The MMORPG ratings may not mean a whole bunch in their own right, but like it or not MMORPG.com is a hugely popular site and is visited a lot by people who play MMORPGs. If those potential new recruits to EVE are put off by declining scores and repeated allegations of dev cheating then it WILL have an effect on EVE's subscriber numbers in the long run.
Ironnight Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.03.03 15:49:00 - [64] Would you join a new game, where cheating devs arent fired? Or have the good sense to quit. Originally by: kieron Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer Originally by: t20 Posted on 02.07.07 The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.03 16:30:00 - [65] Originally by: Ironnight Would you join a new game, where cheating devs arent fired? Or have the good sense to quit. Another question would be why are you still playing it if it bothers you that much?
SilentSentinel	Posted - 2007.03.03 16:53:00 - [66] I'm not bothered or concerned by the events that played out between the devs/bob/t2 bpo issues and those affected by it. However, if the devs would fix the lag and change 'CONTRACTS' back to 'ESCROW'I would be bloody happy. Never had an issue with lag while EXODUS was around. Cheers SS
Ghoest	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:00:00 - [67] I think EVE suffers now for 2 main reasons. 1 The Devs have purposefully stalled the story line. It feels like "Lost" the TV show because of the early success the Devs decide farm the story line rather than implement it and players dont like that. Eve was much cooler with it felt like the Jove were an unfolding adventure. Now thay are treated like a a forgotten relic. 2 The focus on alliance content and tools has taken the individual out of the game. Long term success in any MMO depends more on individual satisfaction. Wherever you went - here you are.
Lictose Gallente Zion.	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:17:00 - [68] IMHO, all people are saying this game is PvP, but dont you think CCP should pull thier finger out thier arses an sort the lag from blob wars out???, the only fun PvP i found was going around on my old character looking for solo/small gang PvP, and even then lookin for the battle was boring ocne i found it had my minutes of adrenaline, rinse repeat, i would love to av a go at end-game PvP (Alliance vs. Alliance), but seriously CCP need to look at lag issues more than anything imo
Lictose Gallente Zion.	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:17:00 - [69] IMHO, all people are saying this game is PvP, but dont you think CCP should pull thier finger out thier arses an sort the lag from blob wars out???, the only fun PvP i found was going around on my old character looking for solo/small gang PvP, and even then lookin for the battle was boring ocne i found it had my minutes of adrenaline, rinse repeat, i would love to av a go at end-game PvP (Alliance vs. Alliance), but seriously CCP need to look at lag issues more than anything imo
Mr M	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:33:00 - [70] A dip at mmorpg.com is nothing to worry about. Except for Eve it's always the latest games or the games that recently has released an expansion that is on top of the list. It's a popularity contest and the winner is the one game which is most hyped. EVEgeek \| EVE Tribune
Mr M	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:33:00 - [71] A dip at mmorpg.com is nothing to worry about. Except for Eve it's always the latest games or the games that recently has released an expansion that is on top of the list. It's a popularity contest and the winner is the one game which is most hyped. EVEgeek \| EVE Tribune
Ironnight Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.03.03 18:44:00 - [72] Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: Ironnight Would you join a new game, where cheating devs arent fired? Or have the good sense to quit. Another question would be why are you still playing it if it bothers you that much? Because of the friends I made. But the question was would you join a game where it was a known fact that the devs got away with cheating? Originally by: kieron Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer Originally by: t20 Posted on 02.07.07 The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP
SpaceVulture	Posted - 2007.03.03 18:46:00 - [73] Yes , it's because of the dev misconduct and that people are realising the pvp in eve takes no skill it's all gank squads and gate camps.... the privateer alliance is being abused by the wannabee pirate corps making people leave the game , what we see in jita and rens is privs camping the stations yea umm great fun i guess.
Eksist	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:36:00 - [74] Originally by: Nymos bob/dev thing: well, what can ccp do? they admitted it, made a public statement and established a department for internal controls. as ccp is growing such things become necessary and now was the point it had to be done. ccp is learning too as they grow! the eve community should just hop in combat ships and go kill bob if that bpo thing is so important to them instead of whining and voting negatively. you know, first, most of these people are not affected in any way. second, this is eve! you don't like the political landscape of eve? team up with like-minded people and do something about it! bob has too much t2? kill them and loot their stuff. this is not RL politics where you vote another party and still everything stays the same. here you can change things. CCP can do more than simply apologize and institute greater controls. There is nothing more destructive to a gaming environment than undetectable cheating. This is not an EVE truth, its a global gaming truth. Imagine for the moment that you play chess online and hear that a particular player from IBM is using Big Blue against you. If CCP really cares for the game, they need to prove that they are trying to stomp out cheating beyond the ability of the many players who currently DO doubt. The simple question is: What percentage of the player base and CCP's paying customers believe that BOB has (1) had an unfair advantage in the past or (2) continues to have an unfair advantage due to the participation in the Corporation of CCP insiders? If the answer is a significant percentage of the playerbase, CCP needs to act far more drastically and decisively. Force all developers, CCP employees and their families out of the BoB alliance permanently. Although the BoB alliance may not affect the playing style of a large number of players, one of the keystone abilities in the EVE online game is the ability to form alliances and carve out empires in space. It's clear from reading the forums that when faced with the prospect of trying to beat BoB at their own game, many believe that its not possible due to the perceived cheating advantage that BoB has through its intimate relationships with CCP employees. Note the perceived in the last sentence. Even if CCP instituted the PERFECT internal controls (unlikely), the fact remains that a significant portion of the playerbase feels that BoB has an unfair advantage. This saps conviction and makes what is a monumental task nigh impossible. One potential is to force CCP employees OUT of BoB to completely remove that public perception. Let these players, no doubt some of the richest, knowledgeable, and most powerful in the EVE universe participate in other alliances and lead the charge against their old corp-mates. Is this 'fair' to BoB? BoB's position at the moment is unassailable from the outside. All BoB really needs to do (or any subsection of BoB) is kick off another round of rumors about how their losses are refunded by a friendly GM and NOBODY will have the heart to fight a protracted bloody campaign against them. That is an 'unfair' advantage that must be countered. Anyway, if what people say about BoB being so pro-PvP is true, they would probably relish the opportunity to fight in a real war. Is it 'fair' to CCP developers? Well CCP better ask themselves as both individuals and as a company- Is it more important for EVE to be a continued success or for my online avatars to be on the unbeatable winning team. If the collective answer is the former, they need to bend over backwards and do WHATEVER IT TAKES to fix the public PERCEPTION that BoB gets unfair advantages through their close relationships to the people that control every aspect of the game. It doesn't matter if you are cheating anymore or if no cheating is ever done again. The damage is done and is out there in the back of the minds of every player that would aspire to participating in an alliance. FIX IT AT ANY COST.
Gift Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:46:00 - [75] Edited by: Gift on 07/03/2007 22:43:19 Originally by: SpaceVulture Edited by: SpaceVulture on 03/03/2007 18:44:40 Yes , it's because of the dev misconduct and that people are realising the pvp in eve takes no skill it's all gank squads and gate camps.... the privateer alliance is being abused by the wannabee pirate corps getting some easy gank kills in empire , all we see in jita and rens is privs camping the stations yea umm great fun i guess , eve is going downhill FAST. To be fair (if you are the least bit interested in that), all the nerfs & changes to make eve "safer" basically since castor have evolved piracy into what you are complaining about today. Everytime they change the game to make people safer pirate characters are forced to adapt, and they always do & it's always worse than it was before. EDIT-Spelling Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:22:00 - [76] Am I the only one that questions the ability of a ranking system to differentiate between games when the top 7 games are separated by just 3% of the ranking range? ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:32:00 - [77] Originally by: The Internets MMORPG gave EVE best PvE out of all MMOs, that pretty much invalidates anything on that website so there's no need to worry. QFT. Although I'm guessing EVE does so well on there because its fans are keen to show their support and use that site. I mean if the same were true for WoW it would easily take a clean sweep every bloody time. In my experience it's quite a respectable mature site (although I havent used it a lot). May be that's not a QFT then :P.
Crydawner	Posted - 2007.03.08 08:44:00 - [78] from what i hear it's probably the fallout of players who found that dev/bob thing unacceptable, added to players who simply don't get eve. I too found out about eve from that site. Funny to see guild wars at the top. Even Anet themselves have said "guild wars is not an mmorpg". and it isn't. But hey, you want amazing PvP and a pure quality game to boot, you play guild wars.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.08 09:30:00 - [79] I personaly don't worry about what mmorpg thinks of EVE. This site reminds me of these cheap trashy tabloids that report the latest UFO sightings and how Elvis was spotted at Mcdonalds last night... I mean they have links to powerleveling sites and other metagaming sites. and Everytime I visit that website (I dont know why I do it) I leave again feeling somewhat stupider than when I arrived. This also means we will have less new people starting EVE, many of which expect to jump in to a lvl 2 ship and wtfbbq people. Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES

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