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Angelfang	Posted - 2007.03.02 14:11:00 - [1] I don't go there very often (mmorpg.com) but that's how I found out about Eve and decided to play it. Eve was the top ranking mmorg at the time.... Anyone want chime in with why they think the rankings are slipping???
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.02 14:12:00 - [2] Eve has stood the test of time but my guess is that there is alway's a new buzz and the fotm stuff etc. I have been in eve for 2 year's and have no intention of leaving. <3 BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.03.02 14:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Ryas Nia on 02/03/2007 14:15:45 i will guess the large number of players who joined in the last 6mths who are unhappy with the "pvp" aspect of the game. edit/ it also looks like the dev/bob thing has made quiet a few people post some negative things on the site and im sure that does not help. Its really to bad that happened because its hurting ccp more than i think they even knew. The biggest shame is that the player base cant forgive and move on, devs are not gods mistakes are made. I for one would rather they play the game than be detached and unaware of the things we go through each day, and i truly believe thats what has kept this game as good as it is over the last few years.
Angelfang	Posted - 2007.03.02 14:20:00 - [4] I was reading through some of the whines over on their site and all of the recent ones revolved around the recent scandal with the devs. I think a LOT of trust was lost when that happened.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 14:23:00 - [5] Its pretty bad when EQII bumps us from the list...But closeing in fast is EQ!!! Good thing I still have all the Expansions for EQ.... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Angelfang	Posted - 2007.03.02 14:24:00 - [6] I was shocked to see Guildwars at the top!?!?
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.02 14:41:00 - [7] Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:46:26 It's simple really. Read the comments of the people on there that are rating it. Here are the reasons I see after reading several pages and I totally agree with them. Ranked in order of importance. 1 being the most important. Lots of little irritating bugs that NEVER get fixed EVER. These little things add up and over time give the impression that the game is held together with string and bubble gum. Constant addition of new shiny content that is also broken and never gets fixed on top of the things that are already broken and never get fixed.(i.e. Obvious lack of understanding of what is important and what is not.) Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. Dev misconduct regarding T2 BPO handouts/cheating and lack of justice regarding those that knew and profitted from it. These are not my personal opinions but I do agree with them. I'm simply putting together a summary of what I see as the biggest issues people are having with Eve from the MMORPG.com comments and forums.
foxxee	Posted - 2007.03.02 14:41:00 - [8] I think the amount of hype over the 'dev scandal' harmed eve a fair bit. It is real shame that such an innocuous event was exploited by so many to the detriment of the game. In the whole scheme of things it was a very minor incident. Fortunately this have mostly died down. Hopefully the game will recover in a few months when this issue is washed under the bridge by other events.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.02 14:44:00 - [9] You believe that you read on the Internet? Simply, no online poll or survey is close to accurate, it just reflects the feelings of who happened to be online during the 24 hours or so that they accepted submissions and opinions. IE. It all depends on when it was done, who did it AND who they told the poll was happening. EVE was top ranked in December on that very site and took best game (2006) in multiple categories. This time around none of the EVE community even knew that they were doing a review, so no one in the community added thier voice on EVE's side...... <-----------> oveur --> Eve is PRIMARILY a PvP game. Primarily != 100%
The Internets	Posted - 2007.03.02 14:58:00 - [10] MMORPG gave EVE best PvE out of all MMOs, that pretty much invalidates anything on that website so there's no need to worry.

Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby You believe that you read on the Internet? Simply, no online poll or survey is close to accurate, it just reflects the feelings of who happened to be online during the 24 hours or so that they accepted submissions and opinions. IE. It all depends on when it was done, who did it AND who they told the poll was happening. EVE was top ranked in December on that very site and took best game (2006) in multiple categories. This time around none of the EVE community even knew that they were doing a review, so no one in the community added thier voice on EVE's side...... Not sure what you mean. You can do a review and rate the game on MMORPG.com at any time. You just need an account and some activity on it to reduce rating spamming.
phatpanda Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:11:00 - [12] I am sure the new accusation about Dev's involvement with LV didnt help neither...
Chewan Mesa Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:23:00 - [13] Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 02/03/2007 15:20:27 Originally by: Forum Alt Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:47:03 It's simple really. Read the comments of the people on there that are rating it. Here are the reasons I see after reading several pages and I totally agree with them. Ranked in order of importance. 1 being the most important. Lots of little irritating bugs that NEVER get fixed EVER. These little things add up and over time give the impression that the game is held together with string and bubble gum. Constant addition of new shiny content that is also broken and never gets fixed on top of the things that are already broken and never get fixed.(i.e. Obvious lack of understanding of what is important and what is not.) Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. Dev misconduct regarding T2 BPO handouts/cheating and lack of justice regarding those that knew and profitted from it. These are not my personal opinions but I do agree with them. I'm simply putting together a summary of what I see as the biggest issues people are having with Eve from the MMORPG.com comments and forums. lol you make it look like you signed up to an PvE-focused game and now the evil Devs dare to bring in loads of PvP. EVE IS PvP, dont like it, dont play it. No use whining about too much pvp. Its what the devs want, its what us older players love. The lower EVE drops on some "ranking" the better, as less noobs who whine all the time apply and find out what EVE really is about and then request the game changed to their style.
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Chewan Mesa Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 02/03/2007 15:20:27 Originally by: Forum Alt Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:47:03 It's simple really. Read the comments of the people on there that are rating it. Here are the reasons I see after reading several pages and I totally agree with them. Ranked in order of importance. 1 being the most important. Lots of little irritating bugs that NEVER get fixed EVER. These little things add up and over time give the impression that the game is held together with string and bubble gum. Constant addition of new shiny content that is also broken and never gets fixed on top of the things that are already broken and never get fixed.(i.e. Obvious lack of understanding of what is important and what is not.) Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. Dev misconduct regarding T2 BPO handouts/cheating and lack of justice regarding those that knew and profitted from it. These are not my personal opinions but I do agree with them. I'm simply putting together a summary of what I see as the biggest issues people are having with Eve from the MMORPG.com comments and forums. lol you make it look like you signed up to an PvE-focused game and now the evil Devs dare to bring in loads of PvP. EVE IS PvP, dont like it, dont play it. No use whining about too much pvp. Its what the devs want, its what us older players love. The lower EVE drops on some "ranking" the better, as less noobs who whine all the time apply and find out what EVE really is about and then request the game changed to their style. You are more than welcome to log into MMORPG.com and read for yourself. I was simply giving a summary. Thanks for the thoughtless attack. It was amusing
Chewan Mesa Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:27:00 - [15] Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 02/03/2007 15:23:57 Replace "you" with "they" and there you go. Thank you very much for pointing out the flaw in my post, and your summary is very much appreciated, since it saves us reading it over there. Love and huggles.
Disteeler Segunda Fundacion O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:29:00 - [16] Thought it only went from 8.3 to 8.2, it felt from teh 1st position the same week as the BoB dev giving bpo "issue" was risen in teh forum. It was at the 1st position for as long as I can remember (+1 year for sure)
Disteeler Segunda Fundacion O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:29:00 - [17] Thought it only went from 8.3 to 8.2, it felt from teh 1st position the same week as the BoB dev giving bpo "issue" was risen in teh forum. It was at the 1st position for as long as I can remember (+1 year for sure)
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:31:00 - [18] Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:31:00 - [19] Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Lord BlackSter The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:41:00 - [20] EvE is the best MMOPG.

Chewan Mesa Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:46:00 - [21] Hhmm, I did share the worries about CCP just giving more and more content and ships etc out without fixing things, but since I still believe in CCP, their latest Dev Blogs have been pretty telling. They postponed Factional Warfare, and Rev. 2.0 as a whole, as well as other "new features" into Rev 2.0 or even 3.0, because they wanted to focus on discouraging blobs, adding and fixing "combat" and Sov. of systems, as well as POSs. This whole "need for speed" thing is directed at fixing current content, or replacing it with ebtter code, rather than throwing new bugged stuff out. Would they want to do that we'd get factional warfare in Rev 2 in a week.
Rakeris Brethren Empire	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Angelfang I was shocked to see Guildwars at the top!?!? Why is that? It has some of the best support I have seen in a long time, bugs get fixed very quickly for the most part. The pvp is fun (despite you can't lose anything) there is very little grind. (unless you like to do that kinda thing) I can't really say much bad about the game except that there are a lot of annoying kids but with heroes you never have to play with them except in pvp... ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
TheFirstInquisitor	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Rakeris Originally by: Angelfang I was shocked to see Guildwars at the top!?!? Why is that? It has some of the best support I have seen in a long time, bugs get fixed very quickly for the most part. The pvp is fun (despite you can't lose anything) there is very little grind. (unless you like to do that kinda thing) I can't really say much bad about the game except that there are a lot of annoying kids but with heroes you never have to play with them except in pvp... QFT Boot it up, play, have fun. ^^ Note to all, What I say may be infact of a more humorous tone than comes accross.
Domalais Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.03.02 16:04:00 - [24] Online polls are non-random trash anyway. Only people who feel strongly about the game comment and vote, so it becomes a competition between fanbois and haters.
Zabrina	Posted - 2007.03.02 17:08:00 - [25] People underestimate the seriousness of Dev misconduct. Though it's not misconduct. It's their sandbox they can do whatever the want with it. Needless to say, whenever you see misconduct, you've only seen 20% of it and when ever admitted to, they've only admitted to 20% of whats going on. This stupid notion that Eve is a PvP game. I don't care that the big guy says it is. It's not. It's fascist corporate warfare, with virtual physical and economic violence. The only thing it lacks is subterfuge. As long as CCP keeps catering to and trying to encourage individual PvP, this game will drag on down hill until replaced. Wanton piracy should have permanent ramifications whether in 0.0 or lowsec or empire. Wanton Piracy meaning PvP with out wardec. My game play style is 80% non PvP and 20% group operations PvP. I'm sure it's much the same with the average player. The moment CCP takes away the fun and sense of accomplishment I get from the 80%, then I'm gone and on to a new game. Pirates of the Burning Sea is really going to give Eve Some problems.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.02 17:23:00 - [26] A very large number of people, whether they left EVE or not, set their ratings of EVE on MMORPG.com to all 1s after the dev/bob incident and the subsequent forum whitewashing. This, obviously, hurt EVE's rank. EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
St Dragon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.02 18:08:00 - [27] Actually im a regular daily visitor there its one thig That caused us to slip 4 places really. The dev misconduct and mis-handling by ccp. when it came out the hacker who revieled what was happening made severall very comprehensive posts about it in several of MMORPG's forums. And as a lot of peple there ahte eve anyway they carried on the trend. And eve just plumeted from the top. ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.02 18:12:00 - [28] The next BIG MMO that will be wildly successful will be the one that allows anyone to do what they want, such as eve tries to do. it will be a sandbox however people that want to play the game for the non-PvP aspect of it will be allowed to do so w/o being forced into it as CCP is attempting ref. Ovouer's comment about pushing the PvE'ers into PvP ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom. "Will i
Juranth Narath Amarr Harvest System Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.02 18:23:00 - [29] Simply put, no one game is ever the best all the time. Just because it isn't on top, doesn't mean it still isn't fun, and isn't that the reason why we play games, because they're fun? --- Insert witty comment here.
Angelfang	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:07:00 - [30] My random thoughts about Eve after playing for just a year and reading the forums everyday while I'm at work. Thought #1 I'd rate myself as a casual player - meaning I live the carebear life for about 2 - 3 hours a day and a lot more on the weekends. I'm in a small corp with little resources so I can't afford to live in lowsec and loose a ship every other day. I can understand the dev's push to increase the incentive to get people to go to lowsec but honestly, I can't afford to worry about loosing a BS because it's fitted for a much tougher mission and worry about people trying to pop me while i'm limping back from a mission to repair myself. So I'll probably stay in high sec and adjust my game play for when they meddle with the lvl 4 missions as they are now. My fun in the game is simply managing resources for myself and corp mates, running missions and training up for new toys that allow me to do the same thing a different way. Thought #2 I remember reading through posts a while back when the dev scandal broke. My first thought is, who cares,that doesn't really affect me. Then some more posts about whether devs should play the game they design. IMHO, it's a given that they should play it. What concerns me is that, from what I've gathered, they're members of a very large alliance and as such has a great deal of influence on how we play their game. Comparing them to politicians that listen to lobbyists when they decide what laws to make... it only seems natural that their lobbyists are their corp mates. Having said that, I would place the future of Eve's game play in the hands of not only the devs, but the lobbyists that they listen to. So, as far as I'm concerned, at this point, I'd still rank Eve as the best I've seen or read about and I still enjoy the game more than any other in the past. I'll continue to play until the lobbyists ruin it for me.

Gift Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:08:00 - [31] The game has gone downhill, pretty simple really. Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Forum Alt Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. This is not misunderstanding the playerbase. This is understanding the game. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Falcione Mortis Angelus Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:43:00 - [33] People need to stop giving CCP so much grief. Whenever i log into EVE, I have fun whether I'm ganking someone or getting my latest ship blown to pieces. I don't think EVE has gone downhill since I've started playing. The forums really make things look a lot worse then they are My Bio in Progress Prologue / CH.1
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Forum Alt Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. This is not misunderstanding the playerbase. This is understanding the game. Classic...
Ishiko Tanaka	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:52:00 - [35] I make it a point to let people know exactly what has happened on Eve and how little the Devs actually due to try and truely fix it. The recent PR stunt of the IA as a means to stop cheating when the individual has shown he can't stop people cheating. The T2 lottery being rigged or broken in some way. All these things are valid bits of information new players must know about before starting on any game that has the complexity and challenges of Eve. I'm not sorry that their ratings are dropping. I think it is a good event. Maybe once the Devs realize how their actions are creating a large amount of negative publicity, they'll wake up and actually fix stuff.
V0rador Amarr Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:13:00 - [36] eve slipping on mmorg.com coz of cheat accusation. and i'll not vote for them next time same with many peoples i guess. sadly i'll dont vote at all as there isnt any other mmorg like eve , ccp can sleep well. Tick Tock Tick Tock
WeaponsHot	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:27:00 - [37] Let me see read this Connections Skill BOB = D D = C C = CCP so CCP = BOB EVE survives because is the only net-space "sim" (right-click-target-hit-brainless-kill type of game) But once other space-sim proper built appears then EVE will fall considerably for sure.
Elenoar	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:31:00 - [38] They won't change their ways until they get hit in the purse.
Nymos Fimbulvintr	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Forum Alt Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:47:03 It's simple really. Read the comments of the people on there that are rating it. Here are the reasons I see after reading several pages and I totally agree with them. Ranked in order of importance. 1 being the most important. Lots of little irritating bugs that NEVER get fixed EVER. These little things add up and over time give the impression that the game is held together with string and bubble gum. Constant addition of new shiny content that is also broken and never gets fixed on top of the things that are already broken and never get fixed.(i.e. Obvious lack of understanding of what is important and what is not.) Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. Dev misconduct regarding T2 BPO handouts/cheating and lack of justice regarding those that knew and profitted from it. These are not my personal opinions but I do agree with them. I'm simply putting together a summary of what I see as the biggest issues people are having with Eve from the MMORPG.com comments and forums. yup i agree with the broken stuff. it appears as if ccp wants to make eve look so oldschool that people can say "man drones are still bugged like in beta". also, some things in eve combat need to be re-designed: logistic ships are pointless, so are defender missiles and carriers are still just 0.0 haulers or assign their fighters to frigs. oh and not to mention carrier bonuses... when were they introduced? oh yea a while ago... about the agent changes: noone will bring their precious mission boats lo low/no sec. i like to kill people, i'm focussed on that part, but i understand not everyone wants to kill each other and that's fine. ccp absolutely needs to make low sec and 0.0 more attractive that's for sure. if you look at posts by new players they get the impression (probably by "veterans" in noob corps that never got out of motsu and give out advice) that below .5 there are leetspeeking teenagers gate camping and instapopping everything. 2 weeks ago i entered 0.0 from eoa in geminate, through vale of silent, back to geminate, down to great wildlands, insmother, new regions, exited in skarkon. there was not a soul, most systems were totally empty. i found 2-3 npcers and a blob escorting haulers, that's all. bob/dev thing: well, what can ccp do? they admitted it, made a public statement and established a department for internal controls. as ccp is growing such things become necessary and now was the point it had to be done. ccp is learning too as they grow! the eve community should just hop in combat ships and go kill bob if that bpo thing is so important to them instead of whining and voting negatively. you know, first, most of these people are not affected in any way. second, this is eve! you don't like the political landscape of eve? team up with like-minded people and do something about it! bob has too much t2? kill them and loot their stuff. this is not RL politics where you vote another party and still everything stays the same. here you can change things. --
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:25:00 - [40] Originally by: The Internets MMORPG gave EVE best PvE out of all MMOs, that pretty much invalidates anything on that website so there's no need to worry. Yeah! Those rankings means nothing.

Sixtyniner The Movement	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Forum Alt Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:47:03 Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. It¦s so funny when people hear PVP they think pew pew. I hope you know that the market is PVP? Players competing on the market for most/best sells. Devs want more PVP, thus more players interacting with eachother in a way. Is is a PVP-game, be it pew pew or the market.
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Sixtyniner Originally by: Forum Alt Edited by: Forum Alt on 02/03/2007 14:47:03 Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. It¦s so funny when people hear PVP they think pew pew. I hope you know that the market is PVP? Players competing on the market for most/best sells. Devs want more PVP, thus more players interacting with eachother in a way. Is is a PVP-game, be it pew pew or the market. Very true! However, the overall aire of the blog in question seemed to focus on moving people into areas where they would need to "pew pew". The blog itself wasn't really the issue. It was the implication of what was being said between the lines so to speak. The sheer amount of comments to that effect on the blog's comments thread shows the confusion and how it was perceived by a large portion of the playerbase. Even though it was stated in that very blog that PvP isn't only direct combat, that was negated and overwhelmed by the type of PvP that would be required in order to experience the proposed changes (mission runner vs. gank). This is where the problem occured.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP.
WeaponsHot	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:26:00 - [44] Finally a game where ships can be controlled as ships in space and shots doesn't seem to be right-click-target-hit-brainless-kill. No doubts that Infinity will have my subscription as soon as the game gets out (if it gets out)... once then I would say bye EVE.
Ashira Twilight	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:30:00 - [45] Edited by: Ashira Twilight on 03/03/2007 02:28:06 I know I stopped recommending EVE to other gamers. I'm still hooked, and still have hope for the future...but it wouldn't really take much for another [new] game to rip me away. I didn't mind that the people who make this game play it, I thought it was cool. I, however, did not like hearing that d20 gave himself(and his corp/alliance) a "little" boost. I had heard the rumors of dev support to the "elite" players of this game, and thought them totally untrue and unfounded. Why would the most talked-about group of players in the game need help? I thought for sure, that behind closed doors, ccp was cheering for the underdog. What do you mean, we only have two rapier bpos in the alliance? I'll fix that! That incident in and of itself wasn't what really got me, what got me is thinking about how many other times it happened, and we'll never know. But, I do have to say that since I lost my plans of being a LONG-TIME Eve player, I've been cutting lose a lot more and having TONS more fun. That's enough ranting from me, gotta go grind some missions all weekend so I can afford to buy my alt another zealot when he loses the one I got him last weekend. It's only been in structure four times this week. =)
Dittatore Chuskarl's Family Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:56:00 - [46] Edited by: Dittatore on 03/03/2007 02:53:04 Why people play EVE? Because it's supposed to be fun. Why people leave EVE? Because it ain't fun when you discover dev/gm cheat in your same game.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:04:00 - [47] Originally by: phatpanda I am sure the new accusation about Dev's involvement with LV didnt help neither... Considering that 'accusation' uncovered that Enslaver stepped down from LV command when offered and accepting a job at CCP, I'd say that's a pretty weak scandal, and only the most tinfoiled of people are upset by it. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Forum Alt Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Forum Alt Apparent lack of understanding of their own playerbase. Not everyone likes to kill each other. In fact most players don't engage in combat with other players at all and have no wish to. Then we get a blog that gives the impression that these players will be forced to shoot each other because the devs don't think they know how to play correctly. This is not misunderstanding the playerbase. This is understanding the game. Classic... You don't come to a game that is player driven and involves tons of PVP, and expect it to turn Pve just for you. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:23:00 - [49] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia You don't come to a game that is player driven and involves tons of PVP, and expect it to turn Pve just for you. 100% correct. However, I can understand the PvE players becoming upset when the devs tell them they are playing the game wrong. Look at it from their point of view. What if the devs said "We are going to try to move more PvP'ers into PvE because we don't think they are playing the game correctly." I can totally understand why they would feel insulted.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:28:00 - [50] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 03/03/2007 03:27:45 Originally by: Domalais Online polls are non-random trash anyway. Only people who feel strongly about the game comment and vote, so it becomes a competition between fanbois and haters. Bingo we have a winner! This is about the only guy in this thread who "gets it" 90% of the people who play EvE don't vote. It then comes down to the fanbois versus the flamers. Who really cares anyway? MMORPG's ratings and rankings are almost exactly like the IMDB's ratings. IMDB stands for Internet Movie Database and is a site where anyone can review and rank a movie. When there is a movie which gets a high score and someone doesn't like that movie, they go to the comment section and rant and rave "Oh my God, this piece of trash deserves a 6.6???" That same person also votes a score of 1 for that movie just to low the overall rating. This is very similar to how MMORPG'S rankings work. It is also amazing these muppets get all bent out of shape over a meaningless number.

Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:49:00 - [51] Quote: If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. I would say they are emphasising more pvp WHILE making it harder to earn ISK, at least in Empire. Which is one reason why people are catching the ass. The whole t20 thing, sure it aggravated me, not the fact that DEVS play in the game, but that they are in HUGE ASS GAME SHAKING ALLIANCES. Play the damn game all you want, just do it in small corps, where no taint of preferential treatment will occur. TBH,, the absolute worst thing I dislike though is: crappy buggy forums, long lasting bugs, sploits which become "game features", and all the small "quality of life" stuff that should make a game seem polished and professional, seemingly left by the wayside in a mad rush to provide more pew pew content, and more gigantic alliance type 0.0 content.
benzss Gallente The Peoples Republic of Power	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:16:00 - [52] There're a whole load of molehills masquerading as mountains in this thread. The fact of the matter is that no matter how good something is, somebody will always find something wrong with it. I find it odd that the dev scandal seems to have been such a big deal to the casual user (which it probably wasn't ;))
benzss Gallente The Peoples Republic of Power	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:16:00 - [53] There're a whole load of molehills masquerading as mountains in this thread. The fact of the matter is that no matter how good something is, somebody will always find something wrong with it. I find it odd that the dev scandal seems to have been such a big deal to the casual user (which it probably wasn't ;))
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:18:00 - [54] This happened around the time the dev misconduct stuff surfaced. Its unfortunate that ccp didnt handle it better. ______________ Pod from above.
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:18:00 - [55] This happened around the time the dev misconduct stuff surfaced. Its unfortunate that ccp didnt handle it better. ______________ Pod from above.
xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:37:00 - [56] surely it will go back up once bob is diminished --- http://www.razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=kills
xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:37:00 - [57] surely it will go back up once bob is diminished --- http://www.razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=kills
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:40:00 - [58] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. Exactly what I and I Believe many more think. Lovering mission incomes, will not hurt big estabilished Corporations too much, but will hit badly hit every small Corp whitch is slowly growing on player base and income and preparing for big 0.0, Because for that you need mainly 2 things, Skills, whitch take time to get and ISK whitch you make when training skills.
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:40:00 - [59] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. Exactly what I and I Believe many more think. Lovering mission incomes, will not hurt big estabilished Corporations too much, but will hit badly hit every small Corp whitch is slowly growing on player base and income and preparing for big 0.0, Because for that you need mainly 2 things, Skills, whitch take time to get and ISK whitch you make when training skills.
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. Exactly what I and I Believe many more think. Lovering mission incomes, will not hurt big estabilished Corporations too much, but will hit badly hit every small Corp whitch is slowly growing on player base and income and preparing for big 0.0, Because for that you need mainly 2 things, Skills, whitch take time to get and ISK whitch you make when training skills.

Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:44:00 - [61] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. Exactly what I and I Believe many more think. Lovering mission incomes, will not hurt big estabilished Corporations too much, but will hit badly hit every small Corp whitch is slowly growing on player base and income and preparing for big 0.0, Because for that you need mainly 2 things, Skills, whitch take time to get and ISK whitch you make when training skills.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.03.03 13:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Liquid Vision Don't get it twisted. A LOT of people are hanging around EVE for the simple reason that it's still one of the best games around. There really isn't a plethora of other games to choose from in the MMORPG style. What. . .EQ and WOW and what else? So, most pilots aren't going to dump all the time/effort/money they've put into EVE while there isn't another suitable game to jump to. However, I think the future for EVE looks rather bleak if things continue how they have been. More and more content being thrown out instead of legitimate fixes to bugs and game mechanics. Continued unethical standards from CCP employees. More and more pushes towards an entirely PVP centered game with severe penalties to anyone that wants to do anything else. EVE is a great game, but with all the crap that's been going on. . .if another MMORPG came along that was fun and legit I think a LOT of folks would jump ship, me included. There's a new Warhammer 40k MMORPG being built right now which, if good, would cause a lot of people to migrate. Plus, there's also Infinity Online and some other attempts at "space games" which would definitely be able to replace EVE in the "internet spaceships" department if they got up and running. Fortunately most of these projects are a good deal from completion which gives CCP time to fix stuff, but does anyone really think they will? They've shown time and time again that they are more concerned w/ selling the game to billions of communists and winning award after award instead of paying attention to their customer base. Personally, I've stopped trying to bring people to the game and I probably won't resub after my 3 month time period is up. Of course this is just my take on EVE. There are always going to be die-hard capsuleers that, no matter what stunts CCP pull, will always play and support the game. However, I just don't think EVE is ever going to go gangbusters and become much bigger than it is now. The MMORPG market is expanding and developing which will eventually give people other good options to spend their money on. Couple that with the way CCP runs their game and the bad press it generates and I don't see how you could predict EVE to blow up and stay at the top of the pile. If anything, eve is going in an anti-pvp direction, making it harder to earn isk, making T2 production especially more difficult, and generally increasing the grind and deemphasising the PVP. Liquid Vision is quite right. Eve success is a mixture of reasons and not entirely been down to it been a good game until recently. Primarily this has been that eve has filled a market niche anyone that got good business sense or has taken a business course will realise the currently CCP has the home feild advantage, when it came onto the market the MMO industry was and still is predominately fantasy orientated tapping on the existing market of table top role players, and has evolved slightly to encorporate more combat orientated rather than character development styles of play. But the industry has never really catered to the sci-fi orientated market, CCP managed to hit that market niche head on and exploit it fully, but as with any market niche out there, the time your the sole provider in that area is very limited and there are a number of games in development some already coming to the market, these WILL take chunks away from eve's market share and there will be competitors that are equal and better to eve. Though eve getting its market share bashed might be bad it may also be good. Companies fighting over players have to deal with issues very fast to prevent user loss where as CCP at the moment knows people have very little choice. So CCP does have to wake up and do something pre-emptively or it will simply loose out when the time comes. In fact i would be surprised if the dev misconduct gets remembered as the start of the end for EVE Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Plasticine Perfection	Posted - 2007.03.03 14:29:00 - [63] A lot of CCP supporters here seem to be forgetting that it's not really important what current players feel about the cheating devs/bob thing - only a small minority will cancel over this. What's important is what potential new players feel about it, something we'll never know on these forums. EVE has an average player subscription period of about a year, yeah? Something like that anyway. So without a continual influx of new players it WILL decline in time. The MMORPG ratings may not mean a whole bunch in their own right, but like it or not MMORPG.com is a hugely popular site and is visited a lot by people who play MMORPGs. If those potential new recruits to EVE are put off by declining scores and repeated allegations of dev cheating then it WILL have an effect on EVE's subscriber numbers in the long run.
Ironnight Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.03.03 15:49:00 - [64] Would you join a new game, where cheating devs arent fired? Or have the good sense to quit. Originally by: kieron Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer Originally by: t20 Posted on 02.07.07 The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.03 16:30:00 - [65] Originally by: Ironnight Would you join a new game, where cheating devs arent fired? Or have the good sense to quit. Another question would be why are you still playing it if it bothers you that much?
SilentSentinel	Posted - 2007.03.03 16:53:00 - [66] I'm not bothered or concerned by the events that played out between the devs/bob/t2 bpo issues and those affected by it. However, if the devs would fix the lag and change 'CONTRACTS' back to 'ESCROW'I would be bloody happy. Never had an issue with lag while EXODUS was around. Cheers SS
Ghoest	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:00:00 - [67] I think EVE suffers now for 2 main reasons. 1 The Devs have purposefully stalled the story line. It feels like "Lost" the TV show because of the early success the Devs decide farm the story line rather than implement it and players dont like that. Eve was much cooler with it felt like the Jove were an unfolding adventure. Now thay are treated like a a forgotten relic. 2 The focus on alliance content and tools has taken the individual out of the game. Long term success in any MMO depends more on individual satisfaction. Wherever you went - here you are.
Lictose Gallente Zion.	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:17:00 - [68] IMHO, all people are saying this game is PvP, but dont you think CCP should pull thier finger out thier arses an sort the lag from blob wars out???, the only fun PvP i found was going around on my old character looking for solo/small gang PvP, and even then lookin for the battle was boring ocne i found it had my minutes of adrenaline, rinse repeat, i would love to av a go at end-game PvP (Alliance vs. Alliance), but seriously CCP need to look at lag issues more than anything imo
Lictose Gallente Zion.	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:17:00 - [69] IMHO, all people are saying this game is PvP, but dont you think CCP should pull thier finger out thier arses an sort the lag from blob wars out???, the only fun PvP i found was going around on my old character looking for solo/small gang PvP, and even then lookin for the battle was boring ocne i found it had my minutes of adrenaline, rinse repeat, i would love to av a go at end-game PvP (Alliance vs. Alliance), but seriously CCP need to look at lag issues more than anything imo
Mr M	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:33:00 - [70] A dip at mmorpg.com is nothing to worry about. Except for Eve it's always the latest games or the games that recently has released an expansion that is on top of the list. It's a popularity contest and the winner is the one game which is most hyped. EVEgeek \| EVE Tribune

Mr M	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:33:00 - [71] A dip at mmorpg.com is nothing to worry about. Except for Eve it's always the latest games or the games that recently has released an expansion that is on top of the list. It's a popularity contest and the winner is the one game which is most hyped. EVEgeek \| EVE Tribune
Ironnight Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.03.03 18:44:00 - [72] Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: Ironnight Would you join a new game, where cheating devs arent fired? Or have the good sense to quit. Another question would be why are you still playing it if it bothers you that much? Because of the friends I made. But the question was would you join a game where it was a known fact that the devs got away with cheating? Originally by: kieron Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer Originally by: t20 Posted on 02.07.07 The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP
SpaceVulture	Posted - 2007.03.03 18:46:00 - [73] Yes , it's because of the dev misconduct and that people are realising the pvp in eve takes no skill it's all gank squads and gate camps.... the privateer alliance is being abused by the wannabee pirate corps making people leave the game , what we see in jita and rens is privs camping the stations yea umm great fun i guess.
Eksist	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:36:00 - [74] Originally by: Nymos bob/dev thing: well, what can ccp do? they admitted it, made a public statement and established a department for internal controls. as ccp is growing such things become necessary and now was the point it had to be done. ccp is learning too as they grow! the eve community should just hop in combat ships and go kill bob if that bpo thing is so important to them instead of whining and voting negatively. you know, first, most of these people are not affected in any way. second, this is eve! you don't like the political landscape of eve? team up with like-minded people and do something about it! bob has too much t2? kill them and loot their stuff. this is not RL politics where you vote another party and still everything stays the same. here you can change things. CCP can do more than simply apologize and institute greater controls. There is nothing more destructive to a gaming environment than undetectable cheating. This is not an EVE truth, its a global gaming truth. Imagine for the moment that you play chess online and hear that a particular player from IBM is using Big Blue against you. If CCP really cares for the game, they need to prove that they are trying to stomp out cheating beyond the ability of the many players who currently DO doubt. The simple question is: What percentage of the player base and CCP's paying customers believe that BOB has (1) had an unfair advantage in the past or (2) continues to have an unfair advantage due to the participation in the Corporation of CCP insiders? If the answer is a significant percentage of the playerbase, CCP needs to act far more drastically and decisively. Force all developers, CCP employees and their families out of the BoB alliance permanently. Although the BoB alliance may not affect the playing style of a large number of players, one of the keystone abilities in the EVE online game is the ability to form alliances and carve out empires in space. It's clear from reading the forums that when faced with the prospect of trying to beat BoB at their own game, many believe that its not possible due to the perceived cheating advantage that BoB has through its intimate relationships with CCP employees. Note the perceived in the last sentence. Even if CCP instituted the PERFECT internal controls (unlikely), the fact remains that a significant portion of the playerbase feels that BoB has an unfair advantage. This saps conviction and makes what is a monumental task nigh impossible. One potential is to force CCP employees OUT of BoB to completely remove that public perception. Let these players, no doubt some of the richest, knowledgeable, and most powerful in the EVE universe participate in other alliances and lead the charge against their old corp-mates. Is this 'fair' to BoB? BoB's position at the moment is unassailable from the outside. All BoB really needs to do (or any subsection of BoB) is kick off another round of rumors about how their losses are refunded by a friendly GM and NOBODY will have the heart to fight a protracted bloody campaign against them. That is an 'unfair' advantage that must be countered. Anyway, if what people say about BoB being so pro-PvP is true, they would probably relish the opportunity to fight in a real war. Is it 'fair' to CCP developers? Well CCP better ask themselves as both individuals and as a company- Is it more important for EVE to be a continued success or for my online avatars to be on the unbeatable winning team. If the collective answer is the former, they need to bend over backwards and do WHATEVER IT TAKES to fix the public PERCEPTION that BoB gets unfair advantages through their close relationships to the people that control every aspect of the game. It doesn't matter if you are cheating anymore or if no cheating is ever done again. The damage is done and is out there in the back of the minds of every player that would aspire to participating in an alliance. FIX IT AT ANY COST.
Gift Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:46:00 - [75] Edited by: Gift on 07/03/2007 22:43:19 Originally by: SpaceVulture Edited by: SpaceVulture on 03/03/2007 18:44:40 Yes , it's because of the dev misconduct and that people are realising the pvp in eve takes no skill it's all gank squads and gate camps.... the privateer alliance is being abused by the wannabee pirate corps getting some easy gank kills in empire , all we see in jita and rens is privs camping the stations yea umm great fun i guess , eve is going downhill FAST. To be fair (if you are the least bit interested in that), all the nerfs & changes to make eve "safer" basically since castor have evolved piracy into what you are complaining about today. Everytime they change the game to make people safer pirate characters are forced to adapt, and they always do & it's always worse than it was before. EDIT-Spelling Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:22:00 - [76] Am I the only one that questions the ability of a ranking system to differentiate between games when the top 7 games are separated by just 3% of the ranking range? ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:32:00 - [77] Originally by: The Internets MMORPG gave EVE best PvE out of all MMOs, that pretty much invalidates anything on that website so there's no need to worry. QFT. Although I'm guessing EVE does so well on there because its fans are keen to show their support and use that site. I mean if the same were true for WoW it would easily take a clean sweep every bloody time. In my experience it's quite a respectable mature site (although I havent used it a lot). May be that's not a QFT then :P.
Crydawner	Posted - 2007.03.08 08:44:00 - [78] from what i hear it's probably the fallout of players who found that dev/bob thing unacceptable, added to players who simply don't get eve. I too found out about eve from that site. Funny to see guild wars at the top. Even Anet themselves have said "guild wars is not an mmorpg". and it isn't. But hey, you want amazing PvP and a pure quality game to boot, you play guild wars.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.08 09:30:00 - [79] I personaly don't worry about what mmorpg thinks of EVE. This site reminds me of these cheap trashy tabloids that report the latest UFO sightings and how Elvis was spotted at Mcdonalds last night... I mean they have links to powerleveling sites and other metagaming sites. and Everytime I visit that website (I dont know why I do it) I leave again feeling somewhat stupider than when I arrived. This also means we will have less new people starting EVE, many of which expect to jump in to a lvl 2 ship and wtfbbq people. Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES


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