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elbenito
Battlestars
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:28:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: zwiss
Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:17:03
Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:15:56
What a load of rubbish. Huzzah was destroyed by being massively outclassed by -A- and lacking any kind of capital ship fleet. In fact I believe ArsC had already left by the time the end came, making no difference whatsoever to the final outcome.
Not to mention the leadership gap left by Hans Roaming leaving for MC... Can't blame the guy for wanting to pew-pew instead of leading an alliance, but that played a lot bigger part in the downfall of Huzzah than anything you claimed to do, even if it were the truth.
With the obvious BS in your first little story, the rest loses its credibility. You've taken a running joke (ArsC kills alliances, ha ha) and tried to use it to discredit the people that trusted you. Pretty lame.
I stand by my alliance-mates in ArsED.
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roBurky
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:30:00 -
[32]
That's a load of crap.
When Ars Caelestis left Huzzah, it was still going strong. Huzzah died when when it lost its allies with capital fleets, thus leaving itself unable to defend against aAa's invasion, which happened long after Ars left. Ars had no part in the end of Huzzah.
This is someone trying to gain some fame/infamy by claiming credit for some big events in Eve, and to smear the name of the pilots he's fallen out with.
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Zanarkand
Gallente
Enterprise Estonia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:33:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Gen Maton
We began to not jump every time you said jump and now you try and destroy our entire group of pilots.
???
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Evod
Pringles Inc.
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:36:00 -
[34]
I can't speak for most of these points but, HUZZAH died because its leadership left.
Quote:
We caused major rifts, had members wrongfully kicked as pirates and thieves, and even got one of the better corps to attempt a merger with us. Once merged, we quickly caused major strife with the members, and they ended up breaking from the alliance and become pirates. You know them now as Evisceration.
While I am flattered that we deserve a mention in your little tale. Our pilots left not from internal strife, but from a shared dislike of you and some of your groups egos. If there was strife amongst us the entire corp would not have reformed with another name after we left and I wouldnt have gotten convo's for a month from other Ars C apologizing for your crap.
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zwiss
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:36:00 -
[35]
Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:33:47
Also:
"We got members into every corp in the alliance."
HAHAHA. Oh, my aching incredulity. There were no spy alts in StateCorp.
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Serapis Aote
Minmatar
TBC
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:36:00 -
[36]
No chat logs, TS recording, forum posts, anything...
Hey mister super spy, maybe try to have some evidence if you want credit for all your awesomeness...
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Shiv Katall
Minmatar
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:37:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Azzkikur Ayers
Edited by: Azzkikur Ayers on 02/03/2007 20:30:22
So wait, let me get this straight.
1) You steal all of your corps assets, BPOs and wallet. (Or at least attempt to steal it all, I heard you did a pretty bad job of it.)
2) You turn your back on everyone who helped you over the past 1.5 years.
3) You try to destroy the hard work and good time of other people.
And then come to the Eve-O boards and tell a tale and expect other people to actually believe it? If that's not a sign of insanity, I don't know what is.
Let's face facts. You're a control freak who got fed up with not getting your way 100% of the time. You're a dishonest person both ingame and out. But worst of all, I think you're a truly miserable human being who's lashing out at others and not knowing why.
And for that, you have my eternal pity. 
QFT and signed.
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Aidanna
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:37:00 -
[38]
Actually, I kind of like this new version of events. Much more impressive than the string of failures Ars C had under the *ahem* previous leadership.
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Sathrai
No Quarter.
C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:43:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Sathrai on 02/03/2007 20:40:44
Originally by: roBurky
That's a load of crap.
When Ars Caelestis left Huzzah, it was still going strong. Huzzah died when when it lost its allies with capital fleets, thus leaving itself unable to defend against aAa's invasion, which happened long after Ars left. Ars had no part in the end of Huzzah.
This is someone trying to gain some fame/infamy by claiming credit for some big events in Eve, and to smear the name of the pilots he's fallen out with.
Well, to be accurate, ArsC left near the beginning of the aAa invasion. A few weeks later the main corps of Huzzah decided to stop fighting the inevitable, killed the alliance, and went off to do their own thing as No Quarter. Seeing as we had no real capital fleet to speak of and ArsC hardly played an integral part of what little we had, their departure made no difference whatsoever to that entire terminal affair.
Even if Hans still was the man in charge, I really don't know what kind of magical miracle he would've pulled out of thin air to solve the massive disparity we were dealing with. It would've had to have been one hell of a trick, that's for sure.
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Star Arcarna
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:45:00 -
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ARS C are the Reason ASCN fell lets see.........
TS and forum stuff passing out that intel i can see happening but the rest of it is just a sore headed and sour puss
i agree with posts before PROOF OR STFU
CLS was asked this of SJ and he did now you do it or fade away and be as nodescript now as you were then
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Theronin Arsclanner
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:47:00 -
[41]
Wow... you TRULY are a sad case.
Is your life really that pitiful?
I've seen your type before... they were the ones we kicked the f*** out of the Army. (Sup Mr. Civil Affairs and not 18B).
It's sad enough that you lie about who/what you are in a game as well as life, but then try to use those lies to discredit people who have nothing to do with your pitiful need to inflate your self worth. Yeah, I was there for the fall of Huzzah and you had NOTHING to do with it. I watched the fall of ASCN and you had NOTHING to do with it. I watch as you formed up with CA and you still had NOTHING to do with it.
Stop trying to tar the name of a good group of people and a good corp/website. Just do everyone a favor and STFU and LEAVE.
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Matrices Reborn
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:47:00 -
[42]
The parties that matter do not possess the level of idiocy required to believe self-indulgent and bitter tales.
Anyone else is frankly irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
As those who have enough sense know, egotistical people who are too insecure to handle criticism end up imploding in a crisis of neurosis. Once rejected, they lash out in anti-social behavior (hence the mass theft), and then must obsessively try to destroy what constantly haunts them as being a reminder of their own failure (hence the tale).
It is honestly quite disturbing that this particular individual suffers from such severe mental disorder that he concocts an elaborate - though amusingly unintelligent lie - to feed his failed ego.
It is both a measure of the manÆs intellectual poverty and emotional insecurity.
Sadly, it is also a reflection of the fact that the man literally lost his mind going paranoid with meta-gaming instead of actually leading the corporation. This paranoia is on full display with his meta-gaming-centered story.
But I suppose that is to be expected from individuals who pretend to be military warriors but are merely attached clerks who tell everyone on the internet they are special forces, green beret, etc. (Yes, we are capable of doing research; no, we will not disclose name and specific details).
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Ascend Alt
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:52:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor
which are referred to as Arsians
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Gen Maton
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:57:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Zanarkand
Originally by: Gen Maton
We began to not jump every time you said jump and now you try and destroy our entire group of pilots.
???
It's a saying...
Internally we began to not share in his delusions and now he's lashing out at us.
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Maclovia Saavedra
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:03:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Shiv Katall
How awesome are you Achilles?
fofofofo
So Awesome
Oh and I thought it was
nananananananana now
am I wrong?
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Korov Dutor
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:04:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Zanarkand
Originally by: Gen Maton
We began to not jump every time you said jump and now you try and destroy our entire group of pilots.
???
Yeah...our insubordination started out small...first, it was by jumping a little later, or a little early...then we started with full-on lemming jumping whenever we approached a gate. Towards the end, we'd all just sit in Jita and never actually jump anywhere at all.
I can totally see how we'd drive our CEO to the loony farm.
/me shakes head
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Red Valentine
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:10:00 -
[47]
Pathetic.Proof or STFU!
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Fabienne Runestar
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:12:00 -
[48]
So awesome... 
To the eve community: As a member of ArsC, and now ARSED, I want to personally say I am sorry for believing in this person for so long.
To Achilles: Please man seek professional help quickly, you obviously need it. I am still worried about your mental well being.
Signed
Fabienne Runestar
COO - Ars Ex Discordia [ARSED]
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Soup Spoon
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:16:00 -
[49]
Wow, as someone who was there when we were arsT, and helped to form arsC (and was a director) this is so much cooler of a story than the one I remember. Rather than being a kind of small corp that certainly tried to do it's best, it turns out we were actively involved in some of the biggest events in recent eve history!
In case anyone is actually curious, the rough outline actually isn't too far off. Members of arstechnica.com came to eve, mostly from a post by the ceo of arsT in the gaming forum there. After a short while, the ceo disappeared. We waited 2 weeks or so, then decided we would just form a new corp. Achilles was elected ceo basically because we needed someone, and we planned to sort out proper leadership later on. Of course it settled into the board that we set up as temporary, since there was really no reason to change it and (we didn't know when we first formed up) you actually can't go switching stuff around all that easily when in comes to ceo. ArsC then became the corp that drew most of the arstechnica crowd. Later another corp formed as kind of an empire corp for newbies, and then became more independent over time. In fact it was this independence that seemed to be the thing that really pushed achilles over the edge. He had always had much higher dreams for our corp than we realistically could do, as he said many or most of our players work in IT...as in they have full time jobs and as with many eve players had limited play time and at certain hours only. So arsC was exactly what you would expect from a small to medium sized corp with a fairly average player base. Of course as a current director of the new ars corp, that's exactly the kind of thing I would say!
Achilles also seems to have neglected to carry the story a bit further, so I'll go ahead and do that. After he flipped out and took permissions from everyone, naturally we were a bit surprised and upset. He was banned from our corp forums (since they are not directly arsC related, he had no admin power) and we began to see what we could do. A few of our members, due to not quite doing as good a job as he thought, were able to actually recover quite a few ships from assorted pos, it was kind of funny in corp as each ship was recovered and everyone cheered. Achilles was then scammed for something like 3 billion isk, truly the mark of a super spy master ceo of an amazingly talented corp. As for the loss, the fact that he had been getting more and more...well bizzare is about the best way to describe it, honestly it didn't seem like that huge a loss. We formed our new corp, and frankly the enthusiasm and corp spirit have never been higher. Kind of strange that the response to a fairly large theft, including our corp name, would actually be a better and tighter corp. Then again we were able to take down ascn, I guess a nut-job stealing stuff was a piece of cake compared to that.
Ok, this ended up much much longer than I intended, but I thought it might be interesting to post from another "founder" of arsC, and member of all 3 of the ars corps that he mentioned. Apparently achilles and I were actually leadership in two very very different corps, that just happened to share the same name, people and everything else. Honestly I'm a bit mystified at why he even posted this bizarre story of his, but as some people have pointed out above he was always hoping to be an important corp in eve, and since he's most likely leaving I guess he wanted to make his mark, even if it is grandiose claims with zero evidence.
Final note: Now that I think about it, I'm very disappointed in our current progress. We managed to take down both alliances we were previously in, including one of (or the, not sure)largest alliances in eve. I'm going to go ***** the whip and get this damn curse alliance broken up by this weekend!
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alpheon
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:24:00 -
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Laughing out loud makes people look at me funny at work.
As one of the members who have been around since before Achilles showed up... I just wanted to say something.
Feel free to look at my employment history if you want.
Achilles, you need help. Seriously.
Your paranoia knew no bounds at the end, and this blatent plea for attention in your posts here represent the flailing grasps of a sick person who has lost their way.
At first I felt dupped by your masterful execution of corporate intruique and espionage... then I realized I still had General Hanger access and some other places, and was able to rescue a fair bit of loot for the corp. Then I heard how one of our pilots killed your rapier, with a T1 fitted vexor. Then I heard about that whole auction thing that happend with that carrier and a dreadnaught... I nearly bust a valve laughing at that one. That was the proof I needed that you were stupid, if nothing else.
On top of all of that, reading this thread hs proven how mentally disturbed you are, on top of the idiocy and zealot like paranoia and obsessive levels of control you need to exercise over a situation.
Having lost all reputation in the game, and ruined any chance for any of your known characters to establish a relationship with ANYONE else in the game ever, you have to come here, in a vain attempt to make up some fantasy about how things were SO hard on you at the end. Thats just pathetic.
Log off
Go see a therapist.
Its probably a good idea.
Ars Ex Discordia has received amazing gestures of assistance and favor after your episode, our pilots have banded togeather to rebuild in a way you could only have dreamed of under your command.
Discovering what you did to us was a shock. But like any major change, while frightening, has revealed a world with out you that is far better and far more enjoyable then I imagined eve could be.
Good riddence to garbage.
The future is exciting.
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Imode
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:25:00 -
[51]
Best $15 a month evar.
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Lowanaera
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:26:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Lowanaera on 02/03/2007 21:23:10
Fiction... and not even good fiction. Sad Achilles.
Anyone who knows the Ars community knows none of us would ever do something like that. But you wouldn't... as you were barely an Ars member at all, never involved in the community on ArsTechnica, and not actively involved in ArsClan either prior to Eve. That was the fundamental problem, you made it clear over and over that it was your way or the highway, but your way wasn't the Ars way, and you finally *****ed.
Buh bye.
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ElanMorin6
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:45:00 -
[53]
Seriously Achilles, log out and seek some help.
Whatever's wrong, this nonsense won't fix it.
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BlackHorizon
Caldari
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:47:00 -
[54]
Edited by: BlackHorizon on 02/03/2007 21:45:45
Originally by: Matrices Reborn
The parties that matter do not possess the level of idiocy required to believe self-indulgent and bitter tales.
Anyone else is frankly irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
As those who have enough sense know, egotistical people who are too insecure to handle criticism end up imploding in a crisis of neurosis. Once rejected, they lash out in anti-social behavior (hence the mass theft), and then must obsessively try to destroy what constantly haunts them as being a reminder of their own failure (hence the tale).
It is honestly quite disturbing that this particular individual suffers from such severe mental disorder that he concocts an elaborate - though amusingly unintelligent lie - to feed his failed ego.
It is both a measure of the manÆs intellectual poverty and emotional insecurity.
Sadly, it is also a reflection of the fact that the man literally lost his mind going paranoid with meta-gaming instead of actually leading the corporation. This paranoia is on full display with his meta-gaming-centered story.
But I suppose that is to be expected from individuals who pretend to be military warriors but are merely attached clerks who tell everyone on the internet they are special forces, green beret, etc. (Yes, we are capable of doing research; no, we will not disclose name and specific details).
I couldn't have said it better. 
Achilles is tragic and I'm glad everyone sees him for what he is.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:55:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Matrices Reborn
The parties that matter do not possess the level of idiocy required to believe self-indulgent and bitter tales.
Anyone else is frankly irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
As those who have enough sense know, egotistical people who are too insecure to handle criticism end up imploding in a crisis of neurosis. Once rejected, they lash out in anti-social behavior (hence the mass theft), and then must obsessively try to destroy what constantly haunts them as being a reminder of their own failure (hence the tale).
It is honestly quite disturbing that this particular individual suffers from such severe mental disorder that he concocts an elaborate - though amusingly unintelligent lie - to feed his failed ego.
It is both a measure of the manÆs intellectual poverty and emotional insecurity.
Sadly, it is also a reflection of the fact that the man literally lost his mind going paranoid with meta-gaming instead of actually leading the corporation. This paranoia is on full display with his meta-gaming-centered story.
But I suppose that is to be expected from individuals who pretend to be military warriors but are merely attached clerks who tell everyone on the internet they are special forces, green beret, etc. (Yes, we are capable of doing research; no, we will not disclose name and specific details).
T2 forum flaming + probable psych major = +10 emotional damage, +20 reputation damage.
I hope he's got good resistances.
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Ardrivis
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:59:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Ardrivis on 02/03/2007 21:55:57
Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein
I'm not saying I completely believe him. But to be honest, without proof I won't believe either of you.
1) Time-honored aphorism: You can't prove a negative
2) If you don't believe him, and you don't believe Ars e D, then you have no opinion... so why are you posting, and why do you think anyone owes you proof? Do you have anything constructive to offer, or are you just bored?
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matty01
Killson Corp
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:11:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein
Originally by: Tessa Vaako
**Front Page Reservation for Rebuttal and clarification by current Ars ex Discordia CEO and ex-Ars Caelestis 2nd in command.
That's the thing about such inflammatory statements as the ones made by Achilles. Whether you make a rebuttal or not the damage to your reputation has been done (that's way slander and libel are illegal in real-life).
I'm not saying I completely believe him. But to be honest, without proof I won't believe either of you.
well believe the majority of the rest of the people posting here, achillies is an idiot trying to make some sort of name for himself...instead he'll just fade into obscurity, because all that is a load of crap
also:
Originally by: zwiss
Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:33:47
Also:
"We got members into every corp in the alliance."
HAHAHA. Oh, my aching incredulity. There were no spy alts in StateCorp.
there were no spy alts in killsons either
i also talked to alot of ars c after they left huzzah, they had been planning to leave long before AAA came to invade, the worst you can say they did was leave the station vulnerable...though with the leadership in huzzah askew as it was when they left, was probably our own fault, not theirs
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Frools
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:11:00 -
[58]
lmfao, nice try
backpedal a bit faster achilles you might get some retarded forum trolling alt to believe you yet!
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nickycakes
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:17:00 -
[59]
the ars guys are cool
the op is obviously false
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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Temujin Destovai
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:17:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 02/03/2007 22:14:07
You make it sound so much harder than it actually is. But ya self-praise posts suck, and after reading yours I'm glad I never made mine :D
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