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Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.04 12:07:00 - [151] Soup Spoon's version sounds far more believable. So at the moment this conspiracy seems as likely to me as the area51-alien stories. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Amphetaminer	Posted - 2007.03.04 13:50:00 - [152] "big alliances controll everything and can only be defeated from the inside" thats such rubbish.. and even if you destroy one a new one takes it place. If any of this is treu then you really have waisted your time. Instead of trying to destroy people's hard work from the inside using these crappy methods. You could have worked on improving your Corp and get in a good alliance yourself and have fun instead of screwing others.
Happysin Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 14:32:00 - [153] So funny... You know, your little escapade got me back into EvE. I got convoed by numerous people when you locked down ArsC to sign back in after my 6 month hiatus. So thanks, it's nice to be back amongst Arsians again, and building stuff for them again. :) P.S. Get some help, in real life. I say that as someone who respected you in Huzzah, and worked with you to the betterment of Catch.
Miraeda Gallente Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 23:02:00 - [154] Originally by: Lord XSiV Aww come on now. Either it is 100% accurate, 0% or somewhere in between :) Now if inaccurate, he took you peons for 17bn. If 100%, then well he spilled his beans and I don't need to repeat his initial post. Combination of the two is more likely, and since he is up 17bn that would put him straight down the middle. Irregardless, he got the hit on you guys in any case which is the whole point. Afterall, who are the ones slamming him in the first few response lines and then ending with asking for their isk back.... Guess what, he won, you lost, move on. Actually I already admitted how embarrassing this is. But your suggestion that he should have planned it better, under the assumption that he had planned it at all... it is this assumption that I question, to put it mildly. I also came back to the game because of this event (disclaimer, I did not leave over him). The corp probably gained more assets than it lost with all the new and estranged people who want in now that he's out. Some people say that it is this downright dirty adversity that attracts people. No, it is hte strength and devotion of my clanmates that does it for me. I've never seen a group react so positively to misfortune. There's nothing but net benefit.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.05 06:50:00 - [155] Originally by: Brinstead Originally by: Lord XSiV Aww come on now. Either it is 100% accurate, 0% or somewhere in between :) Now if inaccurate, he took you peons for 17bn. If 100%, then well he spilled his beans and I don't need to repeat his initial post. Combination of the two is more likely, and since he is up 17bn that would put him straight down the middle. Irregardless, he got the hit on you guys in any case which is the whole point. Afterall, who are the ones slamming him in the first few response lines and then ending with asking for their isk back.... Guess what, he won, you lost, move on. That's just it, the opposite is true - we won, he lost. We're having fun playing the game, trading respect with friend and foe alike. Ach is screaming into an uncaring universe attempting to remain significant, when he's just sold the only thing you ever truly own in game or out... his integrety. No, he won, you lost. Here is the explanation: You guys begged for your stuff back. That is essentially saying 'I surrender' to that type of profession. There are bonus points as for example if you call him a sociopath, psychopath (or any other 'path' for that matter), loser, scum, etc all it means is that your hit was just that extra special. Going out to whine on the forums, another set of bonus points. Responding en mass to a thread on the hit, well you get the point. As for having fun playing the game, I highly doubt it to the extent you are trying to purvey. In fact I would more likely call it huddling around the campfire with the other peons moaning about what you lost in terms of assets. As for his situation, let me put it to you this way, I highly doubt it. Conversing with others of like mind is way better than dealing with lower level peons for which crayons are the writing tool of choice.... And by the way, 'the new Ars' group is an embarassment to the Ars name. The guys from Technica should slap you with a restraining order as you definitely don't represent them.
Eccentrica Galumbits	Posted - 2007.03.05 08:34:00 - [156] Wow Lord XSiV, the depths of your ignorance on this subject is amazing. The guy didn't steal the stuff from their corp because he's some uber-thief. He did it because he wanted to do something moronic and the rest of the corp leaders said no. If he was some master thief, why were they able to steal back a bunch of stuff that he failed to lock down? Why was he suckered in an auction scam? Why has one of his alts already been booted out of other corps? He's washed up, trying to rewrite history to make himself look like he was important. Congratulations on being the only other person in the Eve universe on being suckered by him. Quote: And by the way, 'the new Ars' group is an embarassment to the Ars name. The guys from Technica should slap you with a restraining order as you definitely don't represent them. Ah the truth comes out. You just don't like the "Ars group", and are looking to perpetuate whatever harm can go against them. Achilles wasn't an Arsian. And I'm guessing you know little about the real ArsT yourself. Go join Achilles in his "Arsian Fan Club", where he can regale you with his tales of make-believe uber-meta gaming, and you can both poke fun at a group of people you know nothing about.
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:41:00 - [157] If only there was an oscars for forum posts... Achilles nominated for Best Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published for trying to be something he never was based on things other people have done. Best Achievement in Editing for his rewriting of Eve history! Lord Xsiv for Best Supporting Actress, and Best Costume for his forum clown outfit.
Da'Kor Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.03.05 14:45:00 - [158] Edited by: Da''Kor on 05/03/2007 14:42:05 As far as Huzzah goes... ArsC set up bubble camps in heavily traveled systems (HED) and killed shuttles and pods: All the while claiming their greatness. There are a few things I would like to point out to any of you who believe anything that spews from Achilles' mouth: 1) ArsC as a whole did not participate in alliance ops (of any kind) 2) ArsC did not participate in the political realm of the alliance - Hans Roaming handled that 3) Achilles was NOT one of the highest Fleet Commanders (see number 1 on the list). Because of your ignorance, and arrogance, your entire corporation was pushed out of the minds of the "common man" and we knew we couldn't rely on you for anything. As a matter of fact, we knew when -A- attacked that you would leave and we also knew you would drop your POS when you did. You weren't operating under a cloud of secrecy by any means. I can believe that ArsC did their best to sabotage whatever they could, but you need to pull your head out of your (choice word) and look around. You were hated because you were lame ***hats... not because you were so good at what you did. Unless you count killing shuttles as l33t.
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.05 15:58:00 - [159] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 05/03/2007 15:59:04 So what's the final verdict? Did he do it, or didn't he? Does it matter? You set out to emulate the GHSC and you did, after a fashion. But did you live up to the legacy? I doubt it. Talk to me when you're still affecting the course of the game weeks and months after your departure, be it through hundreds of people making extra careful their hangars are safely locked, or by causing, either directly or not, the largest war EVE has seen. Until then, Istvaan's legacy will always exceed yours. ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.05 23:09:00 - [160] Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 05/03/2007 15:59:04 So what's the final verdict? Did he do it, or didn't he? Does it matter? You set out to emulate the GHSC and you did, after a fashion. But did you live up to the legacy? I doubt it. Talk to me when you're still affecting the course of the game weeks and months after your departure, be it through hundreds of people making extra careful their hangars are safely locked, or by causing, either directly or not, the largest war EVE has seen. Until then, Istvaan's legacy will always exceed yours. I wouldn't call throwing a temper tantrum, robbing your corp then claiming false greatness to be emulating the GHSC, but that's just me. Let's be honest here, the OP is more absurd than if DS were to claim he's the reason devs have gold bars on their posts. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Jarling Fang Perkone	Posted - 2007.03.06 00:41:00 - [161] Edited by: Jarling Fang on 06/03/2007 00:38:55 OP: I haven't heard of you personally but your rantings sound like someone who recently fell from grace with a large portion of the community and is seeking the recognition and respect you obviously crave by making claims to significant in-game events which you had nothing to do with. You are slowly coming to realize that the value of the things you stole from your friends isn't worth quite as much as the hit to your reputation. I think you've proven, more than anything else, that you have entered a phase of delusional desperation. Or in other words, "I call B.S."
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.03.06 01:26:00 - [162] Originally by: Weebear If only there was an oscars for forum posts... Achilles nominated for Best Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published for trying to be something he never was based on things other people have done. Best Achievement in Editing for his rewriting of Eve history! Lord Xsiv for Best Supporting Actress, and Best Costume for his forum clown outfit. I lol'ed *
Helix Fluxx Caldari Contempo Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.06 02:04:00 - [163] You know what? If the OP's story had been the truth I would have been impressed. Truly very impressed. Someone who has read this is now probably trying to work out how they can actually pull that kind of a gameplan off. Also I'd have loved to have been the guy (if even that actually happenned) who got handed 17 Billion ISK. Just think of all the scams you could afford to fall for with that much ISK. However, it's all cowpats. From what I've read here, barring the blinding idiocy of Lord XSiV, everything the OP came out with only ever happenned in his own mind, which is a hell of a shame really. Originally by: Weebear If only there was an oscars for forum posts... Achilles nominated for Best Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published for trying to be something he never was based on things other people have done. Best Achievement in Editing for his rewriting of Eve history! Lord Xsiv for Best Supporting Actress, and Best Costume for his forum clown outfit. That was far more amusing though
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2007.03.06 02:15:00 - [164] Um. This is madness. Theres two spy networks in the game (Well 3 if you count Kugs I suppose) that have alts in pretty much every corp, and dummy corps in every major alliance of note. Mittanis's GIA, and BOB. If destroying alliances are as easy as you say, it would of happened by now. But it hasnt. Methinx you tell tales to try and destroy whats left of the mess you made of the Ars crew.
Shmachura School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.06 04:12:00 - [165] Edited by: Shmachura on 06/03/2007 04:12:50 Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor So yes, I'm a crazy, terrible, murdering, property damaging, stealing, lying, cheating, bad man in RL because of my actions.YARRRR!! If that's how you choose to let yourself off the hook, no one can stop you. Any right-thinking person however knows that you are exactly the same man outside the game. You may not act on these sociopathic urges in real life but please understand that the reason for this is that you are a coward. In real life there are repercussions for people who act like you. You still have these thoughts but you're just about intelligent enough to restrain yourself. Edit: Your personality will always shine through any of your future guises so I hope the 17b was worth it. You'll never take part in Eve's endgame again.
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.06 04:35:00 - [166] Edited by: Cadiz on 06/03/2007 04:38:18 Originally by: Da'Kor Edited by: Da''Kor on 05/03/2007 14:42:05 As far as Huzzah goes... ArsC set up bubble camps in heavily traveled systems (HED) and killed shuttles and pods: All the while claiming their greatness. There are a few things I would like to point out to any of you who believe anything that spews from Achilles' mouth: 1) ArsC as a whole did not participate in alliance ops (of any kind) 2) ArsC did not participate in the political realm of the alliance - Hans Roaming handled that 3) Achilles was NOT one of the highest Fleet Commanders (see number 1 on the list). Because of your ignorance, and arrogance, your entire corporation was pushed out of the minds of the "common man" and we knew we couldn't rely on you for anything. As a matter of fact, we knew when -A- attacked that you would leave and we also knew you would drop your POS when you did. You weren't operating under a cloud of secrecy by any means. I can believe that ArsC did their best to sabotage whatever they could, but you need to pull your head out of your (choice word) and look around. You were hated because you were lame **hats... not because you were so good at what you did. Unless you count killing shuttles as l33t. Da'Kor, you know I love you dearly, but I think you've been quaffing a bit too much of Zarnie's Krazy Kool-Aid (tea-flavoured) here. ArsC guys were in on almost every major combat op, and were fighting against aAa pretty much right up to the hour of their departure from the alliance. Yes, they could be insufferably pompous prats to deal with at the time - moreso at the higher levels of management - but trying to claim that they didn't fight is pure lunacy. Nobody, other than StateCorp and Organized Combat Consortium (<3 you guys so much!), brought more t2 to the table more consistently than ArsC. I know the current state-approved GSY version of Huzzah history is to claim that every corp other than GSY did absolutely nothing for the alliance and merely dragged it down to a mongrel's death, but let's not allow internal feel-good propaganda that serves primarily to justify using the Huzzah banner as a cover for petty Syndicate brigandry blind us to the truth of past events too* much. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Captain Stephanie	Posted - 2007.03.06 06:16:00 - [167] Damn, Danari He beat you to it, I am glad to see that your not the only delusional selfindugent failure as a CEO in Eve :) Good luck and Happy flying
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.08 04:41:00 - [168] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor a corp thief and traitor Truer words have never been spoken from you before as the above qoute. GHSC your not. Nice attempt at a twist tho.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.08 05:21:00 - [169] w00 h00, retorts from peons! Ok, where do I start. Oh yes, he won. Him 17bn, you guys as a group of peons 0. He is infinitely better than you. End of story. Thanks for the honor of 'best actress' in one of the posts. Too bad the poster is basically a nobody so there is no merit or value to it. On the otherhand seeing it was this person's 'fantasy', I might be concerned for my well being as to their true meaning...So to nip that one in the bud, I am married with children, move along. As for your big 'Arsian' speech, signing up for forum access to Technica doesn't mean jack. The founders of Technica back in the late 90s were cool kids. You guys are not cool kids. Don't think that signing up for a geek discussion group that has since moved onto better things will make you cool kids. That is about as pathetic as Slashdotters arguing over who is smarter based on who has the smallest member registration number.... In regards to comparing to the GHSC actions, this isn't even in the same category. You simpletons don't get it. He took all your stuff cause you were pathetic and didn't deserve to have it. Basically he executed his 'golden paracute' which is the god given right of every CEO whether it be in real life or in a game once the realization that the corporate peons are not worth standing up for anymore. You as players failed him, not the other way around. Just because there are more of you crying about it, it only appears from a quantitative (uh oh big word, use dict.org) perspective (uh oh, another big word) that he is the villain (not so big word and can remember from batman cartoons the meaning) in this situation. Anyhow, thanks for coming out. Can't wait for the next one. You guys should print up t-shirts. Suggested slogan: I am an Ars Peon and got Scammed and to help generate some isk for your new equally likely to fail venture, you can print up t-shirts and sell for isk with the following slogan: I am with Ars Peon who got Scammed Sell them at Fanfest. To help you out I will commit to buying one.
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.08 05:47:00 - [170] Originally by: Lord XSiV Basically he executed his 'golden paracute' which is the god given right of every CEO whether it be in real life Not really... that tends to get you 5+ years in a federal prison... and Lord XSiV, you really need to STFU. You've done nothing but flame ex-ASCN corps on the eve-o forums, your bitterness is showing.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.08 06:41:00 - [171] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 08/03/2007 06:40:53 Originally by: Brunswick2 Originally by: Lord XSiV Basically he executed his 'golden paracute' which is the god given right of every CEO whether it be in real life Not really... that tends to get you 5+ years in a federal prison... and Lord XSiV, you really need to STFU. You've done nothing but flame ex-ASCN corps on the eve-o forums, your bitterness is showing. Aww, it isn't bitterness, it is a history lesson! Frankly, I couldn't care; it is just fun cause I know all you ex-ASCNers are so bloody serious (and naive at the same time) about the game. Cripes, you know first hand how Samurai Jack gets all winded up on the propanganda and organizing the mass petitions after losing an entire fleet due to his own lack of tactics. It is priceless and just so easy to do too. As proof of which, I will refrain from retorting to your attempt at an insult and take the 'let's see if we can help the challenged individual' approach. It will be tough I know, but let's see how it goes. And no it doesn't result in 5 years imprisonment. 'Golden Parachute' is the term for severence package which is always negotiated prior to the CEO originally taking the position and renegotiated if requested by the CEO with the board of directors. I didn't expect you to know that as you obviously have never been in a position to be a CEO so I figured that defining it for you would be benficial. In Eve's case, the CEO is entitled to all of a corporation's assets as what was done in this case. The 5 years you are refering to might be a reference to the possible penalties from the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. Since the act is being challenged, it is highly unlikely to stand in its current form. Mind you it would be interesting idea to put something SOX like into Eve....Then agian you aren't legal allowed to go blow up someone's stuff in real life so maybe it isn't such a good idea.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.08 07:31:00 - [172] Stop posting in this topic. You guys are just feeding this obviously emotionally distraught fellow... - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.08 07:40:00 - [173] Originally by: Frug Stop posting in this topic. You guys are just feeding this obviously emotionally distraught fellow... I agree - quit feeding Brunswick2, he is having a hard enough time as it is with seperation anxiety issues.
Stillet0	Posted - 2007.03.08 10:36:00 - [174] stop feeding this thread
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.08 11:33:00 - [175] Would just like to clarify that Ars C did it on alliance ops in Huzzah, in fact they dropped a nice tower to take a system that killed me once. So please no bad mouthing of Ars C from former corp mates in GSY. Achilles it seems that from these posts you might be realising that there is no glory in abusing the power of a CEO and that in fact you've lost more than you gained by doing so. In EVE it's very easy to abuse positions of power and do what you did, nothing to crow about to be honest. You used to run an up and coming corp who has achieved great things and in one moment you decided to rip them off and loose it all bar some ships which you lost to a scam and you now have some ISK with some ships and mods in a hanger, great, have fun with that.
The Rincewind	Posted - 2007.03.08 11:45:00 - [176] Anyway Hans it was a great time with you in Huzzah and u were a good Ally-Leader
Corporate Stooge	Posted - 2007.03.08 14:43:00 - [177] Lord XSiV = Achilles The only way to make it more obvious is to post as the wrong character.
Wild Rho Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2007.03.08 15:54:00 - [178] And I am the puppet master of it all! Dance puppets dance mwhahahahahhahahahahahah!!!! etc.
Alisha Retaris Caldari Fate Corporation The Shadow Brotherhood	Posted - 2007.03.08 23:49:00 - [179] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:47:27 ASCN - After Huzzah, we decided to go for a really big fish. We got agents into forum admin positions and TS admin slots. Alts were placed in every corp in ASCN. I believe most of them are still in the corps that broke from ASCN, so beware. Anyway, we managed to get some key directors into position and began funneling money. Once BoB attacked fully, we got them all the intel and access to the ASCN TS channels. Battle after battle, ASCN couldnÆt understand why BoB always knew when and where to strike. They knew because we told them. Then came the Titan kill. We had multiple members in the gang with CYVOK. When he crashed/logged, we immediately got in contact with BoB leadership and got the probers in to find the Titan. The rest is history. Shortly after the Titan kill, ASCN was dead. Now we need another target. Well I can Say with 100% conviction that this is a Lie. ASCN was doomed before the titan loss and i'm not going to get into the details they are too long to even bother with. As far as the TS infiltration that was easy and it went both ways. Funneling funds away from ASCN well I can only say for certian in the case of 2 corps that that never happened. The BoB winning every battle lol they won because they played the spam pos game and one person oflining a bunch of pos's from one corp ( and this charcter was around longer than ars c. so he was unlikely an alt of ars c) So Achiles at least this part of your post is bs so it's reasonable to belive all of it is.
Maclovia Saavedra Gallente Ars ex Discordia	Posted - 2007.03.09 03:51:00 - [180] Edited by: Maclovia Saavedra on 09/03/2007 03:50:18 Originally by: Hans Roaming Would just like to clarify that Ars C did it on alliance ops in Huzzah, in fact they dropped a nice tower to take a system that killed me once. Hans, I'm sorry for that, I really am man. Also, your Sig Rocks the house. Thats nice. PS, I'm with ARSED, and have been since before any Organized ArsCorp was formed. We're with Curse Alliance Now Thanks. (how do I turn this **** on and keep it on anyway?)

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