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Wardog 1 Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:28:00 - [61] Honestly, without proof, of any kind, you have no way to back-up these claims. As an example, you say you chose not to set a password in the CA pos in LV space. Could it be that you're embarassed so, due the fact you simply forgot to set one? Should what you claim actually be the truth, you intentionally allowed your enemies to shoot your own corp members? Pathetic in my opinion. You claim your goal was to kill alliances. Curse alliance is still clearly on the map. You achieved nothing more than allowing your alliance and corp mates to be shot at. Hardly worthy of mention. "6. Make contacts in enemy alliances with alts and funnel all Intel to their leadership. Sit back and watch as every battle is lost and the alliance falls apart." You arn't very good at what you do then. I'm sure at whatever date Curse Allince does die, you'll be here to take the responsibility.
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:37:00 - [62] yeah i only read some of the first page after achillies post, but zwiss (<3 statecorp) said it best...you didn't do sht to the downfall of huzzah, we were doomed from the start. the only time there was ever drama on the huzzah forums was when YOU made a dumbass post, and 90% of ARSC sided with you for the only reason that you were their CEO and they were sticking up for you. go ahead and ask any ex-huzzah...you did were NOT 90% of the reason we died, we still had ARSC in our gangs (i would i know, i was more of a fleet commander then you ever were, remember, ask any ex-huzzah) till the day you guys left. even then we fought A, we tried our best with what we had, and in the end it wasn't enough to take down a force with better firepower and a capitol fleet. get off your high-horseman, YOU didn't do anything, ARSC was a good corp (when you were afk for months at a time) stop trying to tarnish their name ------------------------------------------- Originally by:* Tyrrax Thorrk Oh and IAC's official response to ISS's offer is lollerskates.
Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:41:00 - [63] Originally by: BlackHorizon Achilles is tragic and I'm glad everyone now sees him for what he is. A somewhat different kind of tragic than his namesake though. ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
Matrices Reborn Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:50:00 - [64] We never "forgot" to set any password in O-W. Xirtam and the entire fleet was there on TS while that POS was put up; no one pretended to install any password in the first place. Anyone there can attest to that. Remember -- the whole CCP propaganda line that "you have to use a password otherwise your POS being shootable from the inside is a 'feature'" only came in the last two weeks or so. It's just another CCP excuse for a broken aspect of the game. Meanwhile, glad to see that even people with whom we've had differences in the past can see through the sham. Granted, itÆs not exactly hard to figure out he doesnÆt have the brain power required to even pull such a thing off, since the guy has done the following since betraying the corp: 1. Losing 4b in stolen capitals to a contract scam 2. Failing to lock down the ships inside the POS he tried to steal from us that we saved. 3. Getting killed in a faction fitted Rapier to a T1 cruiser 4. Things Forthcoming Soon
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:55:00 - [65] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 02/03/2007 22:52:01 I for one endorse this new trend towards more overt lying on EvE-O. In other news, I'm destroying Goonfleet from the inside by propagating idiotic memes.
ElanMorin6 Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:59:00 - [66] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 02/03/2007 22:52:01 I for one endorse this new trend towards more overt lying on EvE-O. In other news, I'm destroying Goonfleet from the inside by propagating idiotic memes. Your post lacks fofofo
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:08:00 - [67] Bah! You forgot to say that it was you on the GRASSY KNOLL Regards, JP http://www.evereserve.com
Ben Aebn Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:11:00 - [68] And for our next trick, we're going to take down Goonfleet/Goonswarm through gratuitous and non-sequitur use of fofofo. fofofo!
Usku Ukusku Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:34:00 - [69] Hahahahahahahhahahaha Your just bitter I killed your Rapier with T1 drones while you tried to figure out how we got our **** out of the pos in M-M. And your probably a little bitter that you sold Ars C's capital ships for a million isk as well. And your probably bitter that we know who your new alt is too. And your probably really bitter that for all this time you thought that Ars C was just you. Well, we moved on. And now Ars C is just you. All by your self. Your one man corp is alot like masterbation isn't it, a few seconds of frantic jerking with no payoff. Cause this was definatly a few minutes of frantic jerking, in a desperate attempt to make yourself "The Man." Well it had no payoff...except to make me laugh so hard I spit coffee on my desk. Teh Devil? My bootrest.
G Khan	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:44:00 - [70] Remove Forum Access.
Hair F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:48:00 - [71] Ars Caelestis proper (now Ars Ex D.) are a classy bunch, Achilles on the other hand is nothing but a common corp thief and, judging from this little piece of revisionist history, a mental case too. I guess getting scammed for your stolen cap ships stung a bit eh
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:03:00 - [72] - nice storey - don't beleave a word of it - get some help... real... serious... phycological help. -
Durgan Kael Gallente Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:12:00 - [73] Much love to Statecorp as fellow ex-Huzzah pilots for telling this one like it is. If there was any reason for ARSC pulling out of Huzzah (aside from their candidate losing the final presidential election), it was the overwhelming threats looming. They had about as much to do with Huzzah's downfall as Indonesia's mosquito population had to do with the power of the tsunami that hit it. Achilles, it's pretty clear, is just trying to get out with some kind of name, apparently by burning his last bridges. Off-hand I'd say it's probably a sign of him quitting something greater outside the game. No, he did absolutely nothing worthy of headlines in EVE. I can imagine he might be making real headlines in the next couple of days, though. Something along these lines: "Body of online gamer 'Achilles Thorongmor' found hung in his home! Psychologists baffled!"
Tipz NexAstrum Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:22:00 - [74] Sorry Achilles, former members of ASCN won't be honoring you as the reason behind it's demise. The real reasons have been discussed ad nausium... your attempt at revisionist history can't hold up against it. Nice story tho, I'll tell it along with Little Red Riding Hood as the fairy tale it is. -------------------------------------------
Kaninrail Caldari Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:24:00 - [75] Dear Eve Community, We have, for the past 18 months, harbored a sick dog. The EVE Forum Vets told us he had rabies, and should be put down, but we didn't care. He was our dog. Unfortunately, he turned on us and bit our hand and ran away. Now he is in your yard and won't stop barking. We sincerely apologize for this. - Ars Ex Discordia --------------------------------------
Lori Carlyle LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:26:00 - [76] After reading the orginal post, then the replys.. Get help man. Log off, Walkaway and get help. ----------------- So Say We All.
travelingsales Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:45:00 - [77] Achilles, you could have saved yourself a lot of typing by just writing "Hay guys, I'm the best and everyone else from ArsC sucks!" I think about the same number of people would have believed you. Oh and may I also say, much love to all the old Huzzah and ASCN guys <3 also to FIX, -A-, and all the various people we have fought over the years (yes even you nasty Bobbits) Be seeing you in space again soon
Jotan Veer Wings of Turul Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor Alts were placed in every corp in ASCN. Care to explain how did you manage to work around the language barrier and the time zone difference in case of W.O.T?
Mestoth Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:46:00 - [79] Ach you have once again proven to be both a fool and a tard. 1) "So we created a list of things that we should strive for and use to kill whatever alliance we were in." since having joined the corp ive yet to find this list.... If this was the objective, then it was yours and yours alone. 2)You are trying to claim that we as a corp were responsible for the death of Huzzuh and ASCN....Right EGO trip ++ 3) WE (Not you) as characther (and give me a minute to run a search accross the forums for when it first appeared and by who) came up with the joke comment "Alliance Killers" as our motto AFTER ASCN fell. You are just trying to come up with a crazy twist; Oh and as far as i know, MOST of the people in the corp are IT. Myself; im one of the few that isnt, and im not in psychology; im a Cardiac nurse so STFU. To my knowledge, there is one or two people with a background in psychology. You most certainly DONT have one. 4) You are a tard
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:55:00 - [80] Aww, why let the cat out of the bag? It was such fun for a while....But since it is spill the beans day in the cafeteria known as the forum.... Honestly though, the reason that the aforementioned targets were picked was due to the fact that they were so easy to infiltrate. The majority of Eve players are quite naive and in fact if you can match their naivity (or better yet appear more naive than them) it makes it very easy to convince them to trust you. Simple psych. So for all of you stating proof or stfu, well guess what, keep being 'of less than average intelligence' the way you are because it makes it much easier to succeed this aspect of the game. And this game needs this aspect as much of its notorious fame has come from the GHSC affair (hi Snatch!) so without it, Eve becomes just another mmo.... But even when it is revealed, the peons still have a hard time understanding or more likely believing that they have been taken. When I was having my fun late last year revealing the truth behind ASCN being a scam run by Cyvok, the whole STK group and parts of CLS it was kind of interesting to see the reaction of the community and how stupid it generally was in not being able to put 2 and 2 together. Yes I had gotten one set of alts into the 'Rusty Spoon' corp and then proceeded to infiltrate STK with another set of alts once I discovered that was the tech 2 arm of ASCN. Once high enough up on the food chain (but never into the inner circle) to be privy to logistical information it became quite apparent as to the real purpose. The 'big event' was the diversion tactics (hmmm attack bob in bob space) to move all of the precious goodies up into empire and onto various alts that Cyvok and co had 'acquired' over the various years. After that, the titan loss and crying like a little baby provided enough of a smoke screen for Cyvok to slip away and let his peons continue fighting, lose everything and end up in position for him to start Xetic 3. Gugan and Samurai Jack were all too willing participants in creating the facade (not like either of them have the intelligence to figure it out anyhow) along with the other so called 'high command' members of which even most of them didn't know that is was a scam and were perfect patsies left holding the bag. Case in point - the disagreement of whether Cyvok actually gave Virt the titan insurance - Cyvok says he did and Virt denies it. Who would you believe? Now what was in it for me? Was I hired by a client? Heck no, I just took a part of the cut. Don't blame me for it either - this is Eve afterall - I was just playing a role and all those members of ASCN who were getting scammed by Cyvok were going to get scammed anyhow. Really, if you had the chance to get a part of 4-7 trillion isk worth of assets, wouldn't you? And I can tell you that I am already prepped with a fresh set of alts for when Cyvok and STK get the next scam going.... Now if you continue to think that this is all rubbish, couldn't happen in Eve, no one (especially Cyvok) is that ebil, etc, well fine think that way. You play your game your way and we play our game our way. It provides great entertainment to say the very least. And we love Eve for it. We love CCP for allowing it. This is why Eve attracts a more mature, elite playerbase as we can't play this way on other games due to the whinage of mediocre players. If you don't like it, then head on over to WoW for wack a mole.
Miraeda Gallente Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:58:00 - [81] omg... this is so embarrassing. yes I don't know why everyone put up with him for so long, I couldn't understand, particularly the last couple months. He'd say something crazy and you can just feel the silence in the thread, lol MES->MEcon
Mestoth Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:07:00 - [82] Oh and i feel required to post this; an exact UNeditited copy of what Ach posted to us in the suprise move (Bar removing the swearing bits for censorship reaons) this is a post from Ach in his "RIP Ars Caelestis thread; the one that annonced it all: "That's it. It's over. ArsC is dead. Fabienne posted a nice "F* Achilles thread. Complete with talk of a coup and Tessa taking over. Add to that the bulls* I've been getting from most of you and the ArsT gang, and you've broken the camel's back. 1 1/2 years of working my ass off to get s* on. I think not, boys and girls. Let's have some fun now. Effective immeditately: 1. All of you have had all rights stripped. You will all be kicked from ArsC in 24 hours. 2. All assets become property of myself. They will be melted down or sold on the market. All investments to ArsC are forfeit. You now have exactly what's in your own personal hangar and wallet. 3. All POS are locked and will be allowed to run out of fuel and be destroyed. 4. All BPO's will be added to my personal collection. 5. I will be selling all my characters and purchasing a couple 50mil+ SP characters, then joining BoB, MC, or something. 6. Once I'm done liquidating all of ArsC's assets, I will leave the corp with a single alt in it so that the name will never be used again. 7. I will never visit this forum or ArsT again. F* you. Thanks for ruining Eve for me. The Future is Exciting!!!" Compare the two posts; intresting how a change of faith can occur
Kaninrail Caldari Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:13:00 - [83] Originally by: Lord XSiV long, rambling wall of text There isn't a :rolleyes: big enough for this. While GHSC-type infiltration stuff is a part of game, it has to actually have happened to be worth talking about. You wasted a whole lot of words on an idiot trying to lie his way into fame. :) --------------------------------------
Tipz NexAstrum Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:43:00 - [84] Originally by: Lord XSiV stuff Thx, ad nauseam to the hilt! -------------------------------------------
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:43:00 - [85] Originally by: Kaninrail Originally by: Lord XSiV long, rambling wall of text There isn't a :rolleyes: big enough for this. While GHSC-type infiltration stuff is a part of game, it has to actually have happened to be worth talking about. You wasted a whole lot of words on an idiot trying to lie his way into fame. :) Well, you are under the assumption that it has to do with fame; it most cases it isn't. This game is essentially one big simulation where one can act (or how some people would like to term 'role play') as they want to and in ways that you just can't in the real world. For me it was about getting assets in this game and having fun. Technically to the community one can disappear and reappear at will under another identity which makes it even more fun as there is the possibility of true 'game anonynimity'. It is people who become attached to 'mains' and look at alts as being 'not real' that make this aspect of the game possible since they have ap roblem seperating themselves from their characters. Anyhow, I am not sure about Huzzah, but with ASCN, yes there were some Ars guys that I crossed about in my travels, so I would believe this guy over the rest of you that it was set up for this purpose. You have to remember that to appear legitmate (if such a term in a game is possible) you do have to have a large segment of those not involved in the true purpose, i.e. a fairly large group of peons, which will do expected roles of contributing and faithful entity. Plus with the founders of Ars being somewhat mischeivious it is even more plausible that it would be this aspect of the game that would interest them. As for losing the cap ships and other blunders, well there is one thing to say about garnering sympathy from the peons. Plus it drags it out longer. Besides what was his overall take? Much more than losses right? Anyhow, what I am seeing right now is that group of peons involved just realizing that they got taken for a scam and trying their best to fight back. Keep up your spirit as it is something to give other peons hope which will inturn lead to even more illustrious scams.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:46:00 - [86] Originally by: Tipz NexAstrum Originally by: Lord XSiV stuff Thx, ad nauseam to the hilt! Ah, weren't part of the inner circle so you didn't get a cut of the spoils? Oh, oops, you were just one of the errand boys who helped fill the coffers. I do have some sympathy for you albeit very little and it is because you lack the capability 'to see the forest through the trees'....
Kaninrail Caldari Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:00:00 - [87] Edited by: Kaninrail on 03/03/2007 03:02:14 There is a logical principle known widely as "Occam's Razor"; I would suggest you look into it. edit: And I'm going back to my personal rule of not reading EVE-O now. This place rots the mind, srsly ;) --------------------------------------
Pierre Jacquemein A Place for Valen Serenus Letum	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:23:00 - [88] Edited by: Pierre Jacquemein on 03/03/2007 03:22:10 Originally by: Ardrivis Edited by: Ardrivis on 02/03/2007 21:55:57 Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein I'm not saying I completely believe him. But to be honest, without proof I won't believe either of you. 1) Time-honored aphorism: You can't prove a negative 2) If you don't believe him, and you don't believe Ars e D, then you have no opinion... so why are you posting, and why do you think anyone owes you proof? Do you have anything constructive to offer, or are you just bored? 3) Original post is comedy gold. Nice try, great fiction. Would read again! I don't believe either party and so I have no opinion? Wow, you really got inside my head there. Maybe my opinion is that I would not trust Achilles or ARSED as far as I could throw them. Perhaps my opinion is that no matter who is the lier here, they are both guilty of something. If Achilles is right, every member of ARSED will be blacklisted from Eve; if Achilles is a liar, ARSED is guilty of allowing things to come to the point where their leader would make off with the corp wallet and hangar's contents without spotting the warning signs of discontent. And why is it that, although every other post in this thread asks for proof, you think I am out of line asking for proof as well? Could it be perhaps, that you are offended that, unlike almost everyone else, I won't simply resort to character attacks and firm denial of Achilles version of events? I would much rather believe Achilles than believe a group of people that defend themselves by saying their accuser is in need of psychiatric help, and so until proof is offered, my personal position is that both parties are at fault (instead of being innocent until proved guilty, my stance is that they are guilty until proven innocent). Of course, my opinion really doesn't matter; I'm not a mover and shaker in the Eve universe. I'm not being sarcastic here. Who I believe or think is lying won't affect the game for anyone. However, using the same logic, your post is worthless as well, unless of course, Achilles was telling the truth, Ardrivis is an alt of an ARSED member, and your corp really does do all the things Achilles claims. Then I would say your opinion is worth more than mine. Until then, get off your high horse and troll somewhere else.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:35:00 - [89] Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 03/03/2007 03:35:54 An interesting piece of fiction I should say, but you left out the part where you explan that Istvaan and the eib guy are your alts. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:46:00 - [90] I did not read the OP. I have never heard of you're corp. I don't even know what this thread is about. However I've seen every poster insult you in ever manner possible, thus I shall do the same not for personal reasons/values/beliefs but rather simply for the pleasure of being able to verbally thrash you without moderator intervention (they can't stop all of us! Revolution!). Ahem Wow, you are so pathetic! Stop lying about everything! You have no friends! You suck! Proof or STFU! Actually just STFU! OMG I hate you so much! Die horribly! Ninja vanish! poof

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