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Achilles Thorongmor Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:45:36 Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:42:59 Hello pilots, IÆve decided to reveal some things that may seem shocking to a lot of you. As you all know, I recently took my leave from Ars Caelestis. As you also know, IÆm being labeled a corp thief and traitor. After a week or so of thinking, IÆve decided to reveal the true nature of Ars Caelestis and its members. In the beginning, there was a corp. It was called Ars Tribunus. It was started by a member of the online computer site, Ars Technica. The corp was formed exclusively for members of the Ars Technica community, which are referred to as Arsians. Ars Tribunus was to be an entry level corp with no ill intent towards anyone. Its members were able to mine, rat, and just hang out in general. Shortly after this corps birth, the CEO went AWOL. The corp was in turmoil. As a ôsenior memberö and leader in Ars Tribunus, I was voted in as CEO of the new Ars corp, Ars Caelestis. So the corp was formed and quickly filled with likeminded Arsians. There was a twist though. Shortly after forming, several things happened. First, the Guiding Hand Social Club incident of lore took place. Second, the realization of the membership that we were WAY behind the power curve and that all the high sp players, T2 BPOÆs, and ISK were already in major corps and alliances. And third, the membership of the corp was vastly formed by people working in the IT community. ArsC also contained a large amount of people working in the Psychology field, which proved to be very useful. We also took note of the Something Awful crew, known to most of you as the Goons. They werenÆt exactly playing the game ôrightö, and were considered cheaters of sorts. That interested us. So, we made a decision. ArsC would become a different sort of corp. We would become a destroyer of alliances, but not with guns and ships. We would take down alliances from the inside. There was a problem though. WeÆd have to help other alliances out to kill the alliance we wanted dead. So our backup was to always infiltrate the alliance we were helping also. That may come to a shock to those weÆve helped. So we created a list of things that we should strive for and use to kill whatever alliance we were in. It goes something like this: 1.Only join alliances that were heavy users of forums. Get at least one members into an admin capacity asap. Once there, give members access to leadership and restricted section of the forum. Once inside, members were to obtain as much vital information as possible 2.Get members into admin roles on whatever voice server said alliance used. Admit members of opposing alliances into the voice server under non-threatening names. Once there, the enemy would have a distinct advantage in any battle. 3.Place alts in every corp in the alliance to further funnel Intel. 4.Place alts in leadership positions in the alliance and in the individual corps. If possible, attempt to funnel money and assets away from the corps. Use fake logs and screens to blame other players in said corps, further causing a rift between members. 5.Seed discontent where possible. This was done mainly by raising issues and causing internal strife, while attempting to make it look like we were the victims. 6.Make contacts in enemy alliances with alts and funnel all Intel to their leadership. Sit back and watch as every battle is lost and the alliance falls apart. 7.Rinse and repeat. Now, this was much more time consuming than we first thought. Our alts would have to appear as normal players in the alliance corps, so we had to have them logged in, even AFK, almost 23/7. We also ran into problems with the new player tracking tools in Revelations. Being able to see where a player last logged in or out caused us problems. Before we could have the alts spread all over Eve, but with player tracking we had to keep them in a place that would seem normal to said corps leadership.
Achilles Thorongmor Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:37:00 - [2] Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:47:27 Now, another major operating procedure was to use propaganda to appear innocent. We did this in multiple ways. First, we condemned piracy. Second, we condemned the GHSC. We had a strict non-smack policy in place as well. Tessa Vaako, my COO, was the main person in charge of propaganda and misdirection. His skill at staying ôneutralö and coming off as the good guy were extremely useful. At one point people actually started joking about us being ôThe Killer of Alliancesö. You can imagine my surprise when I saw that, but we were able to spin it into a joke and I think it actually helped take eyes off of us. Ok, onto our kills: Huzzah - This was too easy. It was an up and coming alliance that relied heavily on forums. We got members into every corp in the alliance. We also got a couple members, one named Steve Dave, into administrative positions on the forum. I was quickly made one of the highest ranking FCÆs and given an alt in the Executor Corp. All the key intel was collected daily and passed to enemy alliances. We also used the forums to rip Huzzah apart. Ask any ex-member of Huzzah. We shredded that alliance from the inside with well placed posts. We caused major rifts, had members wrongfully kicked as pirates and thieves, and even got one of the better corps to attempt a merger with us. Once merged, we quickly caused major strife with the members, and they ended up breaking from the alliance and become pirates. You know them now as Evisceration. In the end Huzzah was torn to bits, and 90% of the strife was thanks to us. ASCN - After Huzzah, we decided to go for a really big fish. We got agents into forum admin positions and TS admin slots. Alts were placed in every corp in ASCN. I believe most of them are still in the corps that broke from ASCN, so beware. Anyway, we managed to get some key directors into position and began funneling money. Once BoB attacked fully, we got them all the intel and access to the ASCN TS channels. Battle after battle, ASCN couldnÆt understand why BoB always knew when and where to strike. They knew because we told them. Then came the Titan kill. We had multiple members in the gang with CYVOK. When he crashed/logged, we immediately got in contact with BoB leadership and got the probers in to find the Titan. The rest is history. Shortly after the Titan kill, ASCN was dead. Now we need another target. Curse Alliance - Upon talking to some alliance leaders, I came across XirtamVotf. In our TS conversation, he kept mentioning something ôbigö. After talking to some other members in what was then IMP, we concluded that Xirtam was going to bring back the Curse Alliance. That was something we felt would be a challenge to kill. We also knew CAÆs connections with RA and Goons, and the thought of taking down all 3 alliances was just too much to pass up. We quickly joined up and began getting agents into position. Problem with CA is that they donÆt have a very active forum. So most of our intel would have to be taken from TS, as it was their main way of communicating. We quickly got 2 people into admin positions on the TS server. Myself, and Fabienne Runestar. For some reason Xirtam took a shining to Fabienne, so we used that to our advantage. If you search the forums, you will see that Fabienne recently got promoted to head mouthpiece for CA, a major triumph early on for us. Fabienne is the key to taking down CA as he has XirtamÆs full trust. We even added fire to the LV vs. CA fire by using a known bug to stir things up. We volunteered to put up a foothold POS in one of LVÆs main systems. By not setting a shield password, the POS allowed LV to shoot into the shields. We scored some nice CA kills and got LV in trouble with that one.
Achilles Thorongmor Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:38:00 - [3] Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:55:25 After going through 2 alliances and working on a 3rd, I woke up one day and was just burned out. I actually wanted to play Eve a little, and not play the subterfuge game so much. During my last week as CEO of ArsC, there were a few major clashes. At one point, Tessa Vaako and Fabienne Runestar threatened to lead a mutiny against me. Of course I wasnÆt going to let that happen, and since I was at the point of not caring, I pulled my final scam. I removed all roles, emptied corp hangars and wallet, and locked down all the POS. I then jumped a carrier and dread to empire full of stuff. Once 24 hours were over, I kicked everyone from the corp and that ended our reign of terror. I mean really everything we had, isk and assets, was all stolen. I recently gave a 3 day old nub player in Jita 17 billion isk, and have now pretty much stopped playing Eve. After reading the forums, it would appear that my members have formed a new corp to carry on the alliance slaying. Ars Ex Discordia. I figure they are diligently working on taking down CA at this point, and probably have agents in both RA and Goons. I wouldnÆt say my time as CEO of ArsC was wasted. We took down 2 major alliances and changed the face of Eve. Most will be sickened by our actions, but Eve is currently run by the giants, and the only way to kill them is from within. It saddens me that that ArsC imploded in the end. It also saddens me that my members were so quick to turn on me, but I think ôNo honor among thievesö rings true here. I mean, what could I expect? And they should have seen my vanishing act coming as well. Anyway, hope you enjoyed the read. I have sold most of my characters and donÆt play much anymore. Obviously I still have Achilles, as IÆm still liquidating things from the corp. If I taught my corp right, they will have a massive cover story and will denounce this post from the onset. My only regret is that we never got to take out the Allianc that was our ôGolden Ringö. Band of Brothers. We actually attempted to get in, and got offered a slave spot in their space, but that wasnÆt good enough. I honestly feel in a year or so we would have been in BoB, and that would have been the ultimate kill. In the end this all got to me. Constant lying, watching people quit Eve as the game wasnÆt fun to them anymore, and just not being able to actually play the game. IÆll contribute my recent actions to being massively burned out and just sick of the game. But, after all, it is just a game. I could really care less about Eve at this point, but since my ex-members see fit to wage a propaganda war, I feel I should do everyone a favor on my way out. YouÆve been warned. Believe me or donÆt. Feel free to take your chances, but donÆt be surprised when things start going horribly wrong. Watch your bank accounts and careful of the alts. Also keep a sharp eye on your TS channels. I can say one thing about the ArsC/Ars Ex Discordia pilots. They are very good at what they do. I'll go down as a tyrant. But it was fun. -Achilles
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:45:00 - [4] Good job... its always fun to hear these behind the scene stories.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:49:00 - [5] I read this carefully and I get the distinct impression you are trying to take credit for a lot of high profile / pivotal events in EvE's history. I don't think I quite believe you. Although that may work to your advantage
Szprinkoth Sponsz ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:01:00 - [6] Proof or STFU?
Pierre Jacquemein A Place for Valen Serenus Letum	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:02:00 - [7] Can I have your carrier?
Ahiro'ken Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:02:00 - [8] You've taken so much already, and now you taken my breath away. What amuses me most is how quickly ars has moved on without you, and you will not be missed. Create whatever legacy you want for yourself on the forums but in game the truth is very clear. Good bye Achilles. ----------------------- sigs = spam
yrlbrk The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:03:00 - [9] well ya fooled me
Gen Maton Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:03:00 - [10] You're a sad man Achilles. You finally got fed up with the entire corp membership not following your every whim. In your delusional state you thought ArsC had strength because of you. On the contrary, we had strength because of our members (and despite you). We began to not jump every time you said jump and now you try and destroy our entire group of pilots. It's not enough that you stole our assets and our name, now you try and destroy the pilots too. To think, I once respected you. Achilles is so full of himself and delusional in how big he thinks he is. Almost every word he posted above is a lie. He is still trying to "pay back" those who "ruined" Eve for him by not following his every word. Sad.

yrlbrk The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:04:00 - [11] sorry forgot to put corp/allaince
Pierre Jacquemein A Place for Valen Serenus Letum	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:05:00 - [12] Proof would be very handy right about now, but either way, it's a great story.
Culmen Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:06:00 - [13] Edited by: Culmen on 02/03/2007 20:03:21 This seems to be a big claim im in no position to comment on huzzah or CA but i can talk about ASCN and only 2 things are provable you guys were in the gang with cyvok and you guys gave out TS passwords the first one, you werent needed bob did it to D2 without you the latter was easy as all hell heck any of the thousands of hobbits could have done that of course you've done nothing to prove eighter the rest might as well be ego inflation i think you seriously over estimate your "sowing seeds of discontent" it takes alot more then a few forum posts to rip an alliance apart even if they're written by PHDs in propaganda pyschology _____________________________________________________ Why do i even need a sig?
Gen Maton Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:07:00 - [14] Edited by: Gen Maton on 02/03/2007 20:04:28 nm
Nohl Faugh a Ballagh	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein ... but either way, it's a great story. Sadly... happily, depends on who you are... that's all it is. This is nothing more than delusions of grandeur from a guy that just couldn't ever be what he wanted to be.
Drakma Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:11:00 - [16] Edited by: Drakma on 02/03/2007 20:07:41 Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch I read this carefully and I get the distinct impression you are trying to take credit for a lot of high profile / pivotal events in EvE's history. I'm inclined to agree ----------------- Gekidoku is recruiting - Ingame channel Gekidoku
Falcione Mortis Angelus Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:11:00 - [17] Haha, that's hilarious. Wouldn't it be ironic if the noob you gave all that money to was one of your enemy's alts My Bio in Progress Prologue / CH.1
Pierre Jacquemein A Place for Valen Serenus Letum	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 02/03/2007 20:03:21 i think you seriously over estimate your "sowing seeds of discontent" it takes alot more then a few forum posts to rip an alliance apart even if they're written by PHDs in propaganda pyschology Think of the role forums (even this one) have played in all the bad press CCP has been getting for using dev tools to allow BoB to become more powerful. Not only does it anger many, many people that this happened, but it also causes a great of us to wonder whether they are coming completely clean here or if they are admitting as little as possible to save face. Now consider how things like would affect an alliance. There is a reason that so many countries' governments are in control of the media.
zwiss StateCorp	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:13:00 - [19] What a load of rubbish. Huzzah was destroyed by being massively outclassed by -A- and lacking any kind of capital ship fleet. In fact I believe ArsC had already left by the time the end came, making no difference whatsoever to the final outcome.
Leere Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:13:00 - [20] wow, you sure did soil the good name of this here internet space guild.

Tessa Vaako Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:17:00 - [21] **Front Page Reservation for Rebuttal and clarification by current Ars ex Discordia CEO and ex-Ars Caelestis 2nd in command. --
Chronus26 Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:17:00 - [22] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch I read this carefully and I get the distinct impression you are trying to take credit for a lot of high profile / pivotal events in EvE's history. I don't think I quite believe you. Although that may work to your advantage Agreed. Nice story, but to me it's just a final attempt by a failed CEO to leave his mark on the world. Better luck next time. -----
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:17:00 - [23] Smells like a load of garbage to me. Quote: Now, this was much more time consuming than we first thought. You thought the listed goals wouldn't be extremely time consuming? Either you're completely stupid, or this whole thing is a lie. Pick one. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
YourMain	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 02/03/2007 20:03:21 i think you seriously over estimate your "sowing seeds of discontent" it takes alot more then a few forum posts to rip an alliance apart even if they're written by PHDs in propaganda pyschology Think of the role forums (even this one) have played in all the bad press CCP has been getting for using dev tools to allow BoB to become more powerful. Not only does it anger many, many people that this happened, but it also causes a great of us to wonder whether they are coming completely clean here or if they are admitting as little as possible to save face. Now consider how things like would affect an alliance. There is a reason that so many countries' governments are in control of the media. you are mistaking the symptom for the cause the bob/dev misconduct issue was the result of months of pressure building up under the scenes you cant point to any certain set of threads or posts and say "this caused people to hate CCP" like wise any post these guys made would have had at most, the effect of allowing people to vent their aggravation at ASCN and let me tell you, theres been glaring reason for people to hate CCP and theres been glaring reason for people to hate ASCN and we didnt need any threads to tell us that --------------------------------- Post With Your Main
Semtex'o Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:55:25 In the end this all got to me. Constant lying, watching people quit Eve as the game wasnÆt fun to them anymore, and just not being able to actually play the game. IÆll contribute my recent actions to being massively burned out and just sick of the game. But, after all, it is just a game. I could really care less about Eve at this point, but since my ex-members see fit to wage a propaganda war, I feel I should do everyone a favor on my way out. YouÆve been warned. Believe me or donÆt. Feel free to take your chances, but donÆt be surprised when things start going horribly wrong. Watch your bank accounts and careful of the alts. Also keep a sharp eye on your TS channels. I can say one thing about the ArsC/Ars Ex Discordia pilots. They are very good at what they do. I'll go down as a tyrant. But it was fun. -Achilles The reason you got sick of the game is because you never actually played the game you only ruined other peoples fun.
Shiv Katall Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:21:00 - [26] This is one of the saddest attempts I have ever seen in EVE for someone to try to get recognition. The difference between GHSC and you is that, their story is not fabricated. Yours is nothing but. Do keep trying though, it makes us laugh all the more. How awesome are you Achilles? fofofofo ôNobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more.ö
Pierre Jacquemein A Place for Valen Serenus Letum	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Tessa Vaako **Front Page Reservation for Rebuttal and clarification by current Ars ex Discordia CEO and ex-Ars Caelestis 2nd in command. That's the thing about such inflammatory statements as the ones made by Achilles. Whether you make a rebuttal or not the damage to your reputation has been done (that's way slander and libel are illegal in real-life). I'm not saying I completely believe him. But to be honest, without proof I won't believe either of you.
Sathrai No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:25:00 - [28] Originally by: zwiss Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:17:03 Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:15:56 What a load of rubbish. Huzzah was destroyed by being massively outclassed by -A- and lacking any kind of capital ship fleet. In fact I believe ArsC had already left by the time the end came, making no difference whatsoever to the final outcome. I've been in five now-defunct alliances and I can safely say that Huzzah's forum activity was incredibly tame, and nothing out of the ordinary for a large alliance. It certainly didn't rip anything apart. Zwiss is pretty much spot on here. Even if ArsC was screwing around with us internally, our nigh-absolute lack of any sort of capital fleet was a deferred death sentence anyways - just a matter of time until somebody cashed in on it. Although we do know that the ArsC guys ran off with a bunch of Huzzah isk!
Dr Jennifer	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:26:00 - [29] Edited by: Dr Jennifer on 02/03/2007 20:23:05 edited
Azzkikur Ayers	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:28:00 - [30] So wait, let me get this straight. 1) You steal all of your corps assets, BPOs and wallet. (Or at least attempt to steal it all, I heard you did a pretty bad job of it.) 2) You turn your back on everyone who helped you over the past 1.5 years. 3) You try to destroy the hard work and good time of other people. And then come to the Eve-O boards and tell a tale and expect other people to actually believe it? If that's not a sign of insanity, I don't know what is. Let's face facts, Steve. You're a control freak who got fed up with not getting your way 100% of the time. You're a dishonest person both ingame and out. But worst of all, I think you're a truly miserable human being who's lashing out at others and not knowing why. And for that, you have my eternal pity.

elbenito Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:28:00 - [31] Originally by: zwiss Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:17:03 Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:15:56 What a load of rubbish. Huzzah was destroyed by being massively outclassed by -A- and lacking any kind of capital ship fleet. In fact I believe ArsC had already left by the time the end came, making no difference whatsoever to the final outcome. Not to mention the leadership gap left by Hans Roaming leaving for MC... Can't blame the guy for wanting to pew-pew instead of leading an alliance, but that played a lot bigger part in the downfall of Huzzah than anything you claimed to do, even if it were the truth. With the obvious BS in your first little story, the rest loses its credibility. You've taken a running joke (ArsC kills alliances, ha ha) and tried to use it to discredit the people that trusted you. Pretty lame. I stand by my alliance-mates in ArsED.
roBurky StateCorp	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:30:00 - [32] That's a load of crap. When Ars Caelestis left Huzzah, it was still going strong. Huzzah died when when it lost its allies with capital fleets, thus leaving itself unable to defend against aAa's invasion, which happened long after Ars left. Ars had no part in the end of Huzzah. This is someone trying to gain some fame/infamy by claiming credit for some big events in Eve, and to smear the name of the pilots he's fallen out with. ---
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Gen Maton We began to not jump every time you said jump and now you try and destroy our entire group of pilots. ???
Evod Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:36:00 - [34] I can't speak for most of these points but, HUZZAH died because its leadership left. Quote: We caused major rifts, had members wrongfully kicked as pirates and thieves, and even got one of the better corps to attempt a merger with us. Once merged, we quickly caused major strife with the members, and they ended up breaking from the alliance and become pirates. You know them now as Evisceration. While I am flattered that we deserve a mention in your little tale. Our pilots left not from internal strife, but from a shared dislike of you and some of your groups egos. If there was strife amongst us the entire corp would not have reformed with another name after we left and I wouldnt have gotten convo's for a month from other Ars C apologizing for your crap. ____________________
zwiss StateCorp	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:36:00 - [35] Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:33:47 Also: "We got members into every corp in the alliance." HAHAHA. Oh, my aching incredulity. There were no spy alts in StateCorp.
Serapis Aote Minmatar TBC Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:36:00 - [36] No chat logs, TS recording, forum posts, anything... Hey mister super spy, maybe try to have some evidence if you want credit for all your awesomeness... You are no GHSC...
Shiv Katall Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Azzkikur Ayers Edited by: Azzkikur Ayers on 02/03/2007 20:30:22 So wait, let me get this straight. 1) You steal all of your corps assets, BPOs and wallet. (Or at least attempt to steal it all, I heard you did a pretty bad job of it.) 2) You turn your back on everyone who helped you over the past 1.5 years. 3) You try to destroy the hard work and good time of other people. And then come to the Eve-O boards and tell a tale and expect other people to actually believe it? If that's not a sign of insanity, I don't know what is. Let's face facts. You're a control freak who got fed up with not getting your way 100% of the time. You're a dishonest person both ingame and out. But worst of all, I think you're a truly miserable human being who's lashing out at others and not knowing why. And for that, you have my eternal pity. QFT and signed. ôNobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more.ö
Aidanna	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:37:00 - [38] Actually, I kind of like this new version of events. Much more impressive than the string of failures Ars C had under the ahem previous leadership.
Sathrai No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:43:00 - [39] Edited by: Sathrai on 02/03/2007 20:40:44 Originally by: roBurky That's a load of crap. When Ars Caelestis left Huzzah, it was still going strong. Huzzah died when when it lost its allies with capital fleets, thus leaving itself unable to defend against aAa's invasion, which happened long after Ars left. Ars had no part in the end of Huzzah. This is someone trying to gain some fame/infamy by claiming credit for some big events in Eve, and to smear the name of the pilots he's fallen out with. Well, to be accurate, ArsC left near the beginning of the aAa invasion. A few weeks later the main corps of Huzzah decided to stop fighting the inevitable, killed the alliance, and went off to do their own thing as No Quarter. Seeing as we had no real capital fleet to speak of and ArsC hardly played an integral part of what little we had, their departure made no difference whatsoever to that entire terminal affair. Even if Hans still was the man in charge, I really don't know what kind of magical miracle he would've pulled out of thin air to solve the massive disparity we were dealing with. It would've had to have been one hell of a trick, that's for sure.
Star Arcarna	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:45:00 - [40] ARS C are the Reason ASCN fell lets see......... TS and forum stuff passing out that intel i can see happening but the rest of it is just a sore headed and sour puss i agree with posts before PROOF OR STFU CLS was asked this of SJ and he did now you do it or fade away and be as nodescript now as you were then

Theronin Arsclanner Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:47:00 - [41] Wow... you TRULY are a sad case. Is your life really that pitiful? I've seen your type before... they were the ones we kicked the f*** out of the Army. (Sup Mr. Civil Affairs and not 18B). It's sad enough that you lie about who/what you are in a game as well as life, but then try to use those lies to discredit people who have nothing to do with your pitiful need to inflate your self worth. Yeah, I was there for the fall of Huzzah and you had NOTHING to do with it. I watched the fall of ASCN and you had NOTHING to do with it. I watch as you formed up with CA and you still had NOTHING to do with it. Stop trying to tar the name of a good group of people and a good corp/website. Just do everyone a favor and STFU and LEAVE. Welcome to the Suck.
Matrices Reborn Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:47:00 - [42] The parties that matter do not possess the level of idiocy required to believe self-indulgent and bitter tales. Anyone else is frankly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. As those who have enough sense know, egotistical people who are too insecure to handle criticism end up imploding in a crisis of neurosis. Once rejected, they lash out in anti-social behavior (hence the mass theft), and then must obsessively try to destroy what constantly haunts them as being a reminder of their own failure (hence the tale). It is honestly quite disturbing that this particular individual suffers from such severe mental disorder that he concocts an elaborate - though amusingly unintelligent lie - to feed his failed ego. It is both a measure of the manÆs intellectual poverty and emotional insecurity. Sadly, it is also a reflection of the fact that the man literally lost his mind going paranoid with meta-gaming instead of actually leading the corporation. This paranoia is on full display with his meta-gaming-centered story. But I suppose that is to be expected from individuals who pretend to be military warriors but are merely attached clerks who tell everyone on the internet they are special forces, green beret, etc. (Yes, we are capable of doing research; no, we will not disclose name and specific details).
Ascend Alt Viziam	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:52:00 - [43] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor which are referred to as Arsians
Gen Maton Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Zanarkand Originally by: Gen Maton We began to not jump every time you said jump and now you try and destroy our entire group of pilots. ??? It's a saying... Internally we began to not share in his delusions and now he's lashing out at us.
Maclovia Saavedra	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Shiv Katall How awesome are you Achilles? fofofofo So Awesome Oh and I thought it was nananananananana now am I wrong?
Korov Dutor Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:04:00 - [46] Originally by: Zanarkand Originally by: Gen Maton We began to not jump every time you said jump and now you try and destroy our entire group of pilots. ??? Yeah...our insubordination started out small...first, it was by jumping a little later, or a little early...then we started with full-on lemming jumping whenever we approached a gate. Towards the end, we'd all just sit in Jita and never actually jump anywhere at all. I can totally see how we'd drive our CEO to the loony farm. /me shakes head
Red Valentine Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:10:00 - [47] Pathetic.Proof or STFU!
Fabienne Runestar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:12:00 - [48] So awesome... To the eve community: As a member of ArsC, and now ARSED, I want to personally say I am sorry for believing in this person for so long. To Achilles: Please man seek professional help quickly, you obviously need it. I am still worried about your mental well being. Signed Fabienne Runestar COO - Ars Ex Discordia [ARSED] ---
Soup Spoon Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:16:00 - [49] Wow, as someone who was there when we were arsT, and helped to form arsC (and was a director) this is so much cooler of a story than the one I remember. Rather than being a kind of small corp that certainly tried to do it's best, it turns out we were actively involved in some of the biggest events in recent eve history! In case anyone is actually curious, the rough outline actually isn't too far off. Members of arstechnica.com came to eve, mostly from a post by the ceo of arsT in the gaming forum there. After a short while, the ceo disappeared. We waited 2 weeks or so, then decided we would just form a new corp. Achilles was elected ceo basically because we needed someone, and we planned to sort out proper leadership later on. Of course it settled into the board that we set up as temporary, since there was really no reason to change it and (we didn't know when we first formed up) you actually can't go switching stuff around all that easily when in comes to ceo. ArsC then became the corp that drew most of the arstechnica crowd. Later another corp formed as kind of an empire corp for newbies, and then became more independent over time. In fact it was this independence that seemed to be the thing that really pushed achilles over the edge. He had always had much higher dreams for our corp than we realistically could do, as he said many or most of our players work in IT...as in they have full time jobs and as with many eve players had limited play time and at certain hours only. So arsC was exactly what you would expect from a small to medium sized corp with a fairly average player base. Of course as a current director of the new ars corp, that's exactly the kind of thing I would say! Achilles also seems to have neglected to carry the story a bit further, so I'll go ahead and do that. After he flipped out and took permissions from everyone, naturally we were a bit surprised and upset. He was banned from our corp forums (since they are not directly arsC related, he had no admin power) and we began to see what we could do. A few of our members, due to not quite doing as good a job as he thought, were able to actually recover quite a few ships from assorted pos, it was kind of funny in corp as each ship was recovered and everyone cheered. Achilles was then scammed for something like 3 billion isk, truly the mark of a super spy master ceo of an amazingly talented corp. As for the loss, the fact that he had been getting more and more...well bizzare is about the best way to describe it, honestly it didn't seem like that huge a loss. We formed our new corp, and frankly the enthusiasm and corp spirit have never been higher. Kind of strange that the response to a fairly large theft, including our corp name, would actually be a better and tighter corp. Then again we were able to take down ascn, I guess a nut-job stealing stuff was a piece of cake compared to that. Ok, this ended up much much longer than I intended, but I thought it might be interesting to post from another "founder" of arsC, and member of all 3 of the ars corps that he mentioned. Apparently achilles and I were actually leadership in two very very different corps, that just happened to share the same name, people and everything else. Honestly I'm a bit mystified at why he even posted this bizarre story of his, but as some people have pointed out above he was always hoping to be an important corp in eve, and since he's most likely leaving I guess he wanted to make his mark, even if it is grandiose claims with zero evidence. Final note: Now that I think about it, I'm very disappointed in our current progress. We managed to take down both alliances we were previously in, including one of (or the, not sure)largest alliances in eve. I'm going to go ***** the whip and get this damn curse alliance broken up by this weekend!
alpheon Caldari Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:24:00 - [50] Laughing out loud makes people look at me funny at work. As one of the members who have been around since before Achilles showed up... I just wanted to say something. Feel free to look at my employment history if you want. Achilles, you need help. Seriously. Your paranoia knew no bounds at the end, and this blatent plea for attention in your posts here represent the flailing grasps of a sick person who has lost their way. At first I felt dupped by your masterful execution of corporate intruique and espionage... then I realized I still had General Hanger access and some other places, and was able to rescue a fair bit of loot for the corp. Then I heard how one of our pilots killed your rapier, with a T1 fitted vexor. Then I heard about that whole auction thing that happend with that carrier and a dreadnaught... I nearly bust a valve laughing at that one. That was the proof I needed that you were stupid, if nothing else. On top of all of that, reading this thread hs proven how mentally disturbed you are, on top of the idiocy and zealot like paranoia and obsessive levels of control you need to exercise over a situation. Having lost all reputation in the game, and ruined any chance for any of your known characters to establish a relationship with ANYONE else in the game ever, you have to come here, in a vain attempt to make up some fantasy about how things were SO hard on you at the end. Thats just pathetic. Log off Go see a therapist. Its probably a good idea. Ars Ex Discordia has received amazing gestures of assistance and favor after your episode, our pilots have banded togeather to rebuild in a way you could only have dreamed of under your command. Discovering what you did to us was a shock. But like any major change, while frightening, has revealed a world with out you that is far better and far more enjoyable then I imagined eve could be. Good riddence to garbage. The future is exciting. This signature needs replacement

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Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:26:00 - [52] Edited by: Lowanaera on 02/03/2007 21:23:10 Fiction... and not even good fiction. Sad Achilles. Anyone who knows the Ars community knows none of us would ever do something like that. But you wouldn't... as you were barely an Ars member at all, never involved in the community on ArsTechnica, and not actively involved in ArsClan either prior to Eve. That was the fundamental problem, you made it clear over and over that it was your way or the highway, but your way wasn't the Ars way, and you finally *****ed. Buh bye.
ElanMorin6 Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:45:00 - [53] Seriously Achilles, log out and seek some help. Whatever's wrong, this nonsense won't fix it.
BlackHorizon Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:47:00 - [54] Edited by: BlackHorizon on 02/03/2007 21:45:45 Originally by: Matrices Reborn The parties that matter do not possess the level of idiocy required to believe self-indulgent and bitter tales. Anyone else is frankly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. As those who have enough sense know, egotistical people who are too insecure to handle criticism end up imploding in a crisis of neurosis. Once rejected, they lash out in anti-social behavior (hence the mass theft), and then must obsessively try to destroy what constantly haunts them as being a reminder of their own failure (hence the tale). It is honestly quite disturbing that this particular individual suffers from such severe mental disorder that he concocts an elaborate - though amusingly unintelligent lie - to feed his failed ego. It is both a measure of the manÆs intellectual poverty and emotional insecurity. Sadly, it is also a reflection of the fact that the man literally lost his mind going paranoid with meta-gaming instead of actually leading the corporation. This paranoia is on full display with his meta-gaming-centered story. But I suppose that is to be expected from individuals who pretend to be military warriors but are merely attached clerks who tell everyone on the internet they are special forces, green beret, etc. (Yes, we are capable of doing research; no, we will not disclose name and specific details). I couldn't have said it better. Achilles is tragic and I'm glad everyone sees him for what he is.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Matrices Reborn The parties that matter do not possess the level of idiocy required to believe self-indulgent and bitter tales. Anyone else is frankly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. As those who have enough sense know, egotistical people who are too insecure to handle criticism end up imploding in a crisis of neurosis. Once rejected, they lash out in anti-social behavior (hence the mass theft), and then must obsessively try to destroy what constantly haunts them as being a reminder of their own failure (hence the tale). It is honestly quite disturbing that this particular individual suffers from such severe mental disorder that he concocts an elaborate - though amusingly unintelligent lie - to feed his failed ego. It is both a measure of the manÆs intellectual poverty and emotional insecurity. Sadly, it is also a reflection of the fact that the man literally lost his mind going paranoid with meta-gaming instead of actually leading the corporation. This paranoia is on full display with his meta-gaming-centered story. But I suppose that is to be expected from individuals who pretend to be military warriors but are merely attached clerks who tell everyone on the internet they are special forces, green beret, etc. (Yes, we are capable of doing research; no, we will not disclose name and specific details). T2 forum flaming + probable psych major = +10 emotional damage, +20 reputation damage. I hope he's got good resistances. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Ardrivis	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:59:00 - [56] Edited by: Ardrivis on 02/03/2007 21:55:57 Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein I'm not saying I completely believe him. But to be honest, without proof I won't believe either of you. 1) Time-honored aphorism: You can't prove a negative 2) If you don't believe him, and you don't believe Ars e D, then you have no opinion... so why are you posting, and why do you think anyone owes you proof? Do you have anything constructive to offer, or are you just bored? 3) Original post is comedy gold. Nice try, great fiction. Would read again!
matty01 Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:11:00 - [57] Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein Originally by: Tessa Vaako Front Page Reservation for Rebuttal and clarification by current Ars ex Discordia CEO and ex-Ars Caelestis 2nd in command. That's the thing about such inflammatory statements as the ones made by Achilles. Whether you make a rebuttal or not the damage to your reputation has been done (that's way slander and libel are illegal in real-life). I'm not saying I completely believe him. But to be honest, without proof I won't believe either of you. well believe the majority of the rest of the people posting here, achillies is an idiot trying to make some sort of name for himself...instead he'll just fade into obscurity, because all that is a load of crap also: Originally by:** zwiss Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:33:47 Also: "We got members into every corp in the alliance." HAHAHA. Oh, my aching incredulity. There were no spy alts in StateCorp. there were no spy alts in killsons either i also talked to alot of ars c after they left huzzah, they had been planning to leave long before AAA came to invade, the worst you can say they did was leave the station vulnerable...though with the leadership in huzzah askew as it was when they left, was probably our own fault, not theirs __________________________
Frools Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:11:00 - [58] lmfao, nice try backpedal a bit faster achilles you might get some retarded forum trolling alt to believe you yet!
nickycakes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:17:00 - [59] the ars guys are cool the op is obviously false Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
Temujin Destovai Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:17:00 - [60] Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 02/03/2007 22:14:07 You make it sound so much harder than it actually is. But ya self-praise posts suck, and after reading yours I'm glad I never made mine :D The Chronicles of Xanadu

Wardog 1 Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:28:00 - [61] Honestly, without proof, of any kind, you have no way to back-up these claims. As an example, you say you chose not to set a password in the CA pos in LV space. Could it be that you're embarassed so, due the fact you simply forgot to set one? Should what you claim actually be the truth, you intentionally allowed your enemies to shoot your own corp members? Pathetic in my opinion. You claim your goal was to kill alliances. Curse alliance is still clearly on the map. You achieved nothing more than allowing your alliance and corp mates to be shot at. Hardly worthy of mention. "6. Make contacts in enemy alliances with alts and funnel all Intel to their leadership. Sit back and watch as every battle is lost and the alliance falls apart." You arn't very good at what you do then. I'm sure at whatever date Curse Allince does die, you'll be here to take the responsibility.
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:37:00 - [62] yeah i only read some of the first page after achillies post, but zwiss (<3 statecorp) said it best...you didn't do sht to the downfall of huzzah, we were doomed from the start. the only time there was ever drama on the huzzah forums was when YOU made a dumbass post, and 90% of ARSC sided with you for the only reason that you were their CEO and they were sticking up for you. go ahead and ask any ex-huzzah...you did were NOT 90% of the reason we died, we still had ARSC in our gangs (i would i know, i was more of a fleet commander then you ever were, remember, ask any ex-huzzah) till the day you guys left. even then we fought A, we tried our best with what we had, and in the end it wasn't enough to take down a force with better firepower and a capitol fleet. get off your high-horseman, YOU didn't do anything, ARSC was a good corp (when you were afk for months at a time) stop trying to tarnish their name ------------------------------------------- Originally by:* Tyrrax Thorrk Oh and IAC's official response to ISS's offer is lollerskates.
Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:41:00 - [63] Originally by: BlackHorizon Achilles is tragic and I'm glad everyone now sees him for what he is. A somewhat different kind of tragic than his namesake though. ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
Matrices Reborn Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:50:00 - [64] We never "forgot" to set any password in O-W. Xirtam and the entire fleet was there on TS while that POS was put up; no one pretended to install any password in the first place. Anyone there can attest to that. Remember -- the whole CCP propaganda line that "you have to use a password otherwise your POS being shootable from the inside is a 'feature'" only came in the last two weeks or so. It's just another CCP excuse for a broken aspect of the game. Meanwhile, glad to see that even people with whom we've had differences in the past can see through the sham. Granted, itÆs not exactly hard to figure out he doesnÆt have the brain power required to even pull such a thing off, since the guy has done the following since betraying the corp: 1. Losing 4b in stolen capitals to a contract scam 2. Failing to lock down the ships inside the POS he tried to steal from us that we saved. 3. Getting killed in a faction fitted Rapier to a T1 cruiser 4. Things Forthcoming Soon
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:55:00 - [65] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 02/03/2007 22:52:01 I for one endorse this new trend towards more overt lying on EvE-O. In other news, I'm destroying Goonfleet from the inside by propagating idiotic memes.
ElanMorin6 Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:59:00 - [66] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 02/03/2007 22:52:01 I for one endorse this new trend towards more overt lying on EvE-O. In other news, I'm destroying Goonfleet from the inside by propagating idiotic memes. Your post lacks fofofo
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:08:00 - [67] Bah! You forgot to say that it was you on the GRASSY KNOLL Regards, JP http://www.evereserve.com
Ben Aebn Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:11:00 - [68] And for our next trick, we're going to take down Goonfleet/Goonswarm through gratuitous and non-sequitur use of fofofo. fofofo!
Usku Ukusku Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:34:00 - [69] Hahahahahahahhahahaha Your just bitter I killed your Rapier with T1 drones while you tried to figure out how we got our **** out of the pos in M-M. And your probably a little bitter that you sold Ars C's capital ships for a million isk as well. And your probably bitter that we know who your new alt is too. And your probably really bitter that for all this time you thought that Ars C was just you. Well, we moved on. And now Ars C is just you. All by your self. Your one man corp is alot like masterbation isn't it, a few seconds of frantic jerking with no payoff. Cause this was definatly a few minutes of frantic jerking, in a desperate attempt to make yourself "The Man." Well it had no payoff...except to make me laugh so hard I spit coffee on my desk. Teh Devil? My bootrest.
G Khan	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:44:00 - [70] Remove Forum Access.

Hair F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:48:00 - [71] Ars Caelestis proper (now Ars Ex D.) are a classy bunch, Achilles on the other hand is nothing but a common corp thief and, judging from this little piece of revisionist history, a mental case too. I guess getting scammed for your stolen cap ships stung a bit eh
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:03:00 - [72] - nice storey - don't beleave a word of it - get some help... real... serious... phycological help. -
Durgan Kael Gallente Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:12:00 - [73] Much love to Statecorp as fellow ex-Huzzah pilots for telling this one like it is. If there was any reason for ARSC pulling out of Huzzah (aside from their candidate losing the final presidential election), it was the overwhelming threats looming. They had about as much to do with Huzzah's downfall as Indonesia's mosquito population had to do with the power of the tsunami that hit it. Achilles, it's pretty clear, is just trying to get out with some kind of name, apparently by burning his last bridges. Off-hand I'd say it's probably a sign of him quitting something greater outside the game. No, he did absolutely nothing worthy of headlines in EVE. I can imagine he might be making real headlines in the next couple of days, though. Something along these lines: "Body of online gamer 'Achilles Thorongmor' found hung in his home! Psychologists baffled!"
Tipz NexAstrum Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:22:00 - [74] Sorry Achilles, former members of ASCN won't be honoring you as the reason behind it's demise. The real reasons have been discussed ad nausium... your attempt at revisionist history can't hold up against it. Nice story tho, I'll tell it along with Little Red Riding Hood as the fairy tale it is. -------------------------------------------
Kaninrail Caldari Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:24:00 - [75] Dear Eve Community, We have, for the past 18 months, harbored a sick dog. The EVE Forum Vets told us he had rabies, and should be put down, but we didn't care. He was our dog. Unfortunately, he turned on us and bit our hand and ran away. Now he is in your yard and won't stop barking. We sincerely apologize for this. - Ars Ex Discordia --------------------------------------
Lori Carlyle LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:26:00 - [76] After reading the orginal post, then the replys.. Get help man. Log off, Walkaway and get help. ----------------- So Say We All.
travelingsales Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:45:00 - [77] Achilles, you could have saved yourself a lot of typing by just writing "Hay guys, I'm the best and everyone else from ArsC sucks!" I think about the same number of people would have believed you. Oh and may I also say, much love to all the old Huzzah and ASCN guys <3 also to FIX, -A-, and all the various people we have fought over the years (yes even you nasty Bobbits) Be seeing you in space again soon
Jotan Veer Wings of Turul Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor Alts were placed in every corp in ASCN. Care to explain how did you manage to work around the language barrier and the time zone difference in case of W.O.T?
Mestoth Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:46:00 - [79] Ach you have once again proven to be both a fool and a tard. 1) "So we created a list of things that we should strive for and use to kill whatever alliance we were in." since having joined the corp ive yet to find this list.... If this was the objective, then it was yours and yours alone. 2)You are trying to claim that we as a corp were responsible for the death of Huzzuh and ASCN....Right EGO trip ++ 3) WE (Not you) as characther (and give me a minute to run a search accross the forums for when it first appeared and by who) came up with the joke comment "Alliance Killers" as our motto AFTER ASCN fell. You are just trying to come up with a crazy twist; Oh and as far as i know, MOST of the people in the corp are IT. Myself; im one of the few that isnt, and im not in psychology; im a Cardiac nurse so STFU. To my knowledge, there is one or two people with a background in psychology. You most certainly DONT have one. 4) You are a tard
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:55:00 - [80] Aww, why let the cat out of the bag? It was such fun for a while....But since it is spill the beans day in the cafeteria known as the forum.... Honestly though, the reason that the aforementioned targets were picked was due to the fact that they were so easy to infiltrate. The majority of Eve players are quite naive and in fact if you can match their naivity (or better yet appear more naive than them) it makes it very easy to convince them to trust you. Simple psych. So for all of you stating proof or stfu, well guess what, keep being 'of less than average intelligence' the way you are because it makes it much easier to succeed this aspect of the game. And this game needs this aspect as much of its notorious fame has come from the GHSC affair (hi Snatch!) so without it, Eve becomes just another mmo.... But even when it is revealed, the peons still have a hard time understanding or more likely believing that they have been taken. When I was having my fun late last year revealing the truth behind ASCN being a scam run by Cyvok, the whole STK group and parts of CLS it was kind of interesting to see the reaction of the community and how stupid it generally was in not being able to put 2 and 2 together. Yes I had gotten one set of alts into the 'Rusty Spoon' corp and then proceeded to infiltrate STK with another set of alts once I discovered that was the tech 2 arm of ASCN. Once high enough up on the food chain (but never into the inner circle) to be privy to logistical information it became quite apparent as to the real purpose. The 'big event' was the diversion tactics (hmmm attack bob in bob space) to move all of the precious goodies up into empire and onto various alts that Cyvok and co had 'acquired' over the various years. After that, the titan loss and crying like a little baby provided enough of a smoke screen for Cyvok to slip away and let his peons continue fighting, lose everything and end up in position for him to start Xetic 3. Gugan and Samurai Jack were all too willing participants in creating the facade (not like either of them have the intelligence to figure it out anyhow) along with the other so called 'high command' members of which even most of them didn't know that is was a scam and were perfect patsies left holding the bag. Case in point - the disagreement of whether Cyvok actually gave Virt the titan insurance - Cyvok says he did and Virt denies it. Who would you believe? Now what was in it for me? Was I hired by a client? Heck no, I just took a part of the cut. Don't blame me for it either - this is Eve afterall - I was just playing a role and all those members of ASCN who were getting scammed by Cyvok were going to get scammed anyhow. Really, if you had the chance to get a part of 4-7 trillion isk worth of assets, wouldn't you? And I can tell you that I am already prepped with a fresh set of alts for when Cyvok and STK get the next scam going.... Now if you continue to think that this is all rubbish, couldn't happen in Eve, no one (especially Cyvok) is that ebil, etc, well fine think that way. You play your game your way and we play our game our way. It provides great entertainment to say the very least. And we love Eve for it. We love CCP for allowing it. This is why Eve attracts a more mature, elite playerbase as we can't play this way on other games due to the whinage of mediocre players. If you don't like it, then head on over to WoW for wack a mole.

Miraeda Gallente Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:58:00 - [81] omg... this is so embarrassing. yes I don't know why everyone put up with him for so long, I couldn't understand, particularly the last couple months. He'd say something crazy and you can just feel the silence in the thread, lol MES->MEcon
Mestoth Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:07:00 - [82] Oh and i feel required to post this; an exact UNeditited copy of what Ach posted to us in the suprise move (Bar removing the swearing bits for censorship reaons) this is a post from Ach in his "RIP Ars Caelestis thread; the one that annonced it all: "That's it. It's over. ArsC is dead. Fabienne posted a nice "F* Achilles thread. Complete with talk of a coup and Tessa taking over. Add to that the bulls* I've been getting from most of you and the ArsT gang, and you've broken the camel's back. 1 1/2 years of working my ass off to get s* on. I think not, boys and girls. Let's have some fun now. Effective immeditately: 1. All of you have had all rights stripped. You will all be kicked from ArsC in 24 hours. 2. All assets become property of myself. They will be melted down or sold on the market. All investments to ArsC are forfeit. You now have exactly what's in your own personal hangar and wallet. 3. All POS are locked and will be allowed to run out of fuel and be destroyed. 4. All BPO's will be added to my personal collection. 5. I will be selling all my characters and purchasing a couple 50mil+ SP characters, then joining BoB, MC, or something. 6. Once I'm done liquidating all of ArsC's assets, I will leave the corp with a single alt in it so that the name will never be used again. 7. I will never visit this forum or ArsT again. F* you. Thanks for ruining Eve for me. The Future is Exciting!!!" Compare the two posts; intresting how a change of faith can occur
Kaninrail Caldari Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:13:00 - [83] Originally by: Lord XSiV long, rambling wall of text There isn't a :rolleyes: big enough for this. While GHSC-type infiltration stuff is a part of game, it has to actually have happened to be worth talking about. You wasted a whole lot of words on an idiot trying to lie his way into fame. :) --------------------------------------
Tipz NexAstrum Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:43:00 - [84] Originally by: Lord XSiV stuff Thx, ad nauseam to the hilt! -------------------------------------------
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:43:00 - [85] Originally by: Kaninrail Originally by: Lord XSiV long, rambling wall of text There isn't a :rolleyes: big enough for this. While GHSC-type infiltration stuff is a part of game, it has to actually have happened to be worth talking about. You wasted a whole lot of words on an idiot trying to lie his way into fame. :) Well, you are under the assumption that it has to do with fame; it most cases it isn't. This game is essentially one big simulation where one can act (or how some people would like to term 'role play') as they want to and in ways that you just can't in the real world. For me it was about getting assets in this game and having fun. Technically to the community one can disappear and reappear at will under another identity which makes it even more fun as there is the possibility of true 'game anonynimity'. It is people who become attached to 'mains' and look at alts as being 'not real' that make this aspect of the game possible since they have ap roblem seperating themselves from their characters. Anyhow, I am not sure about Huzzah, but with ASCN, yes there were some Ars guys that I crossed about in my travels, so I would believe this guy over the rest of you that it was set up for this purpose. You have to remember that to appear legitmate (if such a term in a game is possible) you do have to have a large segment of those not involved in the true purpose, i.e. a fairly large group of peons, which will do expected roles of contributing and faithful entity. Plus with the founders of Ars being somewhat mischeivious it is even more plausible that it would be this aspect of the game that would interest them. As for losing the cap ships and other blunders, well there is one thing to say about garnering sympathy from the peons. Plus it drags it out longer. Besides what was his overall take? Much more than losses right? Anyhow, what I am seeing right now is that group of peons involved just realizing that they got taken for a scam and trying their best to fight back. Keep up your spirit as it is something to give other peons hope which will inturn lead to even more illustrious scams.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:46:00 - [86] Originally by: Tipz NexAstrum Originally by: Lord XSiV stuff Thx, ad nauseam to the hilt! Ah, weren't part of the inner circle so you didn't get a cut of the spoils? Oh, oops, you were just one of the errand boys who helped fill the coffers. I do have some sympathy for you albeit very little and it is because you lack the capability 'to see the forest through the trees'....
Kaninrail Caldari Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:00:00 - [87] Edited by: Kaninrail on 03/03/2007 03:02:14 There is a logical principle known widely as "Occam's Razor"; I would suggest you look into it. edit: And I'm going back to my personal rule of not reading EVE-O now. This place rots the mind, srsly ;) --------------------------------------
Pierre Jacquemein A Place for Valen Serenus Letum	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:23:00 - [88] Edited by: Pierre Jacquemein on 03/03/2007 03:22:10 Originally by: Ardrivis Edited by: Ardrivis on 02/03/2007 21:55:57 Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein I'm not saying I completely believe him. But to be honest, without proof I won't believe either of you. 1) Time-honored aphorism: You can't prove a negative 2) If you don't believe him, and you don't believe Ars e D, then you have no opinion... so why are you posting, and why do you think anyone owes you proof? Do you have anything constructive to offer, or are you just bored? 3) Original post is comedy gold. Nice try, great fiction. Would read again! I don't believe either party and so I have no opinion? Wow, you really got inside my head there. Maybe my opinion is that I would not trust Achilles or ARSED as far as I could throw them. Perhaps my opinion is that no matter who is the lier here, they are both guilty of something. If Achilles is right, every member of ARSED will be blacklisted from Eve; if Achilles is a liar, ARSED is guilty of allowing things to come to the point where their leader would make off with the corp wallet and hangar's contents without spotting the warning signs of discontent. And why is it that, although every other post in this thread asks for proof, you think I am out of line asking for proof as well? Could it be perhaps, that you are offended that, unlike almost everyone else, I won't simply resort to character attacks and firm denial of Achilles version of events? I would much rather believe Achilles than believe a group of people that defend themselves by saying their accuser is in need of psychiatric help, and so until proof is offered, my personal position is that both parties are at fault (instead of being innocent until proved guilty, my stance is that they are guilty until proven innocent). Of course, my opinion really doesn't matter; I'm not a mover and shaker in the Eve universe. I'm not being sarcastic here. Who I believe or think is lying won't affect the game for anyone. However, using the same logic, your post is worthless as well, unless of course, Achilles was telling the truth, Ardrivis is an alt of an ARSED member, and your corp really does do all the things Achilles claims. Then I would say your opinion is worth more than mine. Until then, get off your high horse and troll somewhere else.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:35:00 - [89] Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 03/03/2007 03:35:54 An interesting piece of fiction I should say, but you left out the part where you explan that Istvaan and the eib guy are your alts. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:46:00 - [90] I did not read the OP. I have never heard of you're corp. I don't even know what this thread is about. However I've seen every poster insult you in ever manner possible, thus I shall do the same not for personal reasons/values/beliefs but rather simply for the pleasure of being able to verbally thrash you without moderator intervention (they can't stop all of us! Revolution!). Ahem Wow, you are so pathetic! Stop lying about everything! You have no friends! You suck! Proof or STFU! Actually just STFU! OMG I hate you so much! Die horribly! Ninja vanish! poof

Grant Smith Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 04:20:00 - [91] Good bye and good riddance. Sort your self out man. fofofofofofofo
Nighlighted Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.03 05:02:00 - [92] I was hoping for better... A few random and apparently solo acts of stupidity does not equal Alliance killer.
Kashre Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.03 05:06:00 - [93] True or not (and I don't care either way), that was the most awesome "screw you guys, Im going home" post I have ever read. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
MrClock Gallente ClockTower Industries	Posted - 2007.03.03 05:11:00 - [94] What a joke. Of all the people in Ars C Achilles was the only one I didn't like. I watched him alienate pilot after pilot with his arrogance and stupidity. ARSED will do a helluva lot better now that they have a CEO without borderline personality disorder (<3 Tessa). ?
Toros Revoke STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.03 05:12:00 - [95] Ok... do you feel better now? While we're in a self aggrandizing mood, I invented the word "And"- meaning 'to include'. I derived it from my real name. And thats a true story!
Jollyreaper Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2007.03.03 05:13:00 - [96] Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 02/03/2007 20:03:21 i think you seriously over estimate your "sowing seeds of discontent" it takes alot more then a few forum posts to rip an alliance apart even if they're written by PHDs in propaganda pyschology Think of the role forums (even this one) have played in all the bad press CCP has been getting for using dev tools to allow BoB to become more powerful. Not only does it anger many, many people that this happened, but it also causes a great of us to wonder whether they are coming completely clean here or if they are admitting as little as possible to save face. Now consider how things like would affect an alliance. There is a reason that so many countries' governments are in control of the media. It wouldn't just be the forum posts that do it, it's the losing the battles. I know I get hot under the collar when I lose stuff and even my best BS right now is nothing compared to the T2-fitted faction ships out there. You get a fleet lost from an alliance and you'll have more than enough anger primed and ready to explode. There's no telling how accurate this story is but I'm sure the tactics discussed are in use and will continue to be successful. I'll say this for these guys: they make lowsec pirates look like pikers in comparison. This is gigagriefing.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.03.03 06:11:00 - [97] Originally by: Drakma Edited by: Drakma on 02/03/2007 20:07:41 Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch I read this carefully and I get the distinct impression you are trying to take credit for a lot of high profile / pivotal events in EvE's history. I'm inclined to agree qft and the truth is this, in one years time no one will remember you, cept maybe your corpmates you shafted, even if you did help take down any of what you said you are not responsible for it nor ever will be, at most you could only have been a factor. you are not the ghsc and never will be Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
McCade Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 07:35:00 - [98] You know, this post actually accomplished an awesome thing. It has made me realize how many amazing allies / enemies / and neutral ArsT, ArsC and now ARSED has had the pleasure of having. Weather you're under my guns, or under my flag, thanks for flying in eve...yes even BoB :p Thanks for the community support eve.
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.03 08:35:00 - [99] Actually, if you're any good, it's not that difficult to infiltrate a large alliance like ASCN. I had an alt in EDF for a few months and gave out forum/TS access to at least 10 alliances, FA/IMP/IRON to name a few.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.03 08:50:00 - [100] This could have been a good smear but you claimed far to much in your post to be taken to seriously. Looks like someone is trying to get back at his old corp even after he took his ball and went home. Wierd and sad at the same time.

Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.03.03 08:51:00 - [101] Hmmm..... Why couldn't I have gotten the 17 billion :(. I'm kinda new :(. Oh well anyway this story sounds very suspect. It is possible its true but you offer no evidence of any of this and thus that makes it hard to accept in EVE. We're kinda the show me state and we need to see to believe...espcially given all the past events of the last couple months.
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.03 10:41:00 - [102] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 03/03/2007 10:40:25 Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor In the end this all got to me. Constant lying, watching people quit Eve as the game wasnÆt fun to them anymore, and just not being able to actually play the game. IÆll contribute my recent actions to being massively burned out and just sick of the game. No-one stays in that particular game for long. If it is as you say, that Steve went down thanks to your intel, then you probably achieved most goals any dedicated saboteur might set himself anyway. As for the corp theft; only idiots have shared corporate resources when engaging in this sort of thing. No, really. The only way to handle an organization of this type is to never, EVER, allow any member to be tempted to betray his friends. You've already learned through your targets that people cannot be implicitly trusted. This is what we did in GHSC; we had no corp hangars beyond ammo and corpses and basic modules, and we always made sure that every member was better off in the group than outside it. Anyway, good job, bang on. I honestly don't think your former corp mates have anyone to blame but themselves for your self-claimed severance package. They failed to see your own broken and exploitable structure, and ignored the fact that nine times out of ten, corporations are robbed by those that helped build them in the first place and have administrative roles. Salut ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:05:00 - [103] lol
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:14:00 - [104] Nice story Achilles, shame that's all it is really and you seem intent on discrediting your old corp mates. Huzzah fell due to being hit by an alliance who had more and better equipment (esp. caps) and could work together better, -A- outclassed Huzzah on the battlefield with the inevitible result. As for being labled a corp thief and a traitor, well if the cap fits.
Cupertino Castellum	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:20:00 - [105] OP is talking out of his Ars.
Amaron Ghant Caldari SolarFlare Salvaging And Rigging United Corporations Of Modern Eve	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:36:00 - [106] I've given up trying to decide who's right or wrong in any given argument on these forums. Guilty of dirty tricks? Not guilty of Dirty tricks? The nature of EVE these days means any sane alliance or corporation leader is going to have to err on the side of paranoia if he wants to keep his assets and member base intact. Seems that if you trust anyone in this game the odds are they'll one day decide to stab you in the back for the "fun" of it. Sad really.
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:54:00 - [107] Originally by: Kaninrail Dear Eve Community, We have, for the past 18 months, harbored a sick dog. The EVE Forum Vets told us he had rabies, and should be put down, but we didn't care. He was our dog. Unfortunately, he turned on us and bit our hand and ran away. Now he is in your yard and won't stop barking. We sincerely apologize for this. - Ars Ex Discordia Heh, hilarious analogy. Does he have mental issues though? It seems his post transcends the realm of roleplaying and into the realm of the mentally deranged. ______________ Pod from above.
Tessa Vaako Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:58:00 - [108] Originally by: Admiral Pieg Heh, hilarious analogy. Does he have mental issues though? It seems his post transcends the realm of roleplaying and into the realm of the mentally deranged. Not that we are aware of, but we're starting to wonder... --
Jags Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.03 13:07:00 - [109] No wonder EvE is slowly going **** up if this is happening in the background. Metagaming 4tL I would like CCP to consider banning those it can prove are using outside means to destroy things in game. It is now getting beyond a joke IMO and something has to give sooner or later , IMO the subscribers will give up and leave in droves as this becomes more and more prevelant. No wonder empire is so highly populated if this is the way 0.0 warfare is going to be carried out.
Chief Cane Bones and Ashes Inc	Posted - 2007.03.03 13:09:00 - [110] Originally by: Kashre True or not (and I don't care either way), that was the most awesome "screw you guys, Im going home" post I have ever read. Agreed.

Ironnight Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.03.03 13:26:00 - [111] Can I have your stuff? Originally by: kieron Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer Originally by: t20 Posted on 02.07.07 The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.03 13:54:00 - [112] Step away from your computer. Now. Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
PARTYHARD	Posted - 2007.03.03 14:11:00 - [113] Originally by: Lord XSiV Retarded Rant Roffles!
Helen STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.03 14:31:00 - [114] Originally by: Lord XSiV to infiltrate STK with another set of alts once I discovered that was the tech 2 arm of ASCN. ...STK get the next scam going.... Thanks I've not had such a good laugh in ages.
Temerlyn Minmatar STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.03 14:40:00 - [115] Same helen i havn't had a laugh in ages. You should write chronicles.
amarrly	Posted - 2007.03.03 15:28:00 - [116] my corp serod (now K.2) was in HUZZAH, and everyone one of us knows each other in real life, I'm still trying to figure which one of us had the plastic surgery, voice change and sex change in some case's, to have been the spy, Achilles can i have my friend back now, from that celler of yours.
Jennie Marlboro No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.03 15:39:00 - [117] Edited by: Jennie Marlboro on 03/03/2007 15:35:43 Look, kids! It's scum, masquerading as relevance. Goodbye Achilles. You're already not missed. In a week you won't be remembered, either.
Zizoo No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.03 16:26:00 - [118] NT GG Buh Bye.
SoldierOfJustice Kurai-Komichi Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 16:38:00 - [119] 1) You have no proof that all that stupid story happened :) 2) HUZZAH fell cause of lack of capital fleet, and the organized enemy as well as the timing of the attack. This is a fact anyone who were in HF/-A- knows well. ArsC had not much to do with it and its also a fact that they were the first to run from alliance after F-oFF left it! 3) I havent been in ASCN, but I believe that ASCN fell cause many of its pilots simply didnt fight and lost morale with the titan loss. I've seen many of them stay in stain instead of fighting BoB. 4) 17bill isk to a noob??! if you kept 1 character then it means you are thinking about returning to game at some point or just not sure whether to leave it or not, which means you'd keep the money ;). And btw, a thief doesnt steal to give to others. GL with your RL if you leave the game. And I personally hope you stay out of trouble cause in RL you cant just leave your character and make a new one 8).
couger malthas Amarr No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:12:00 - [120] "Huzzah - This was too easy. It was an up and coming alliance that relied heavily on forums. We got members into every corp in the alliance. We also got a couple members, one named Steve Dave, into administrative positions on the forum. I was quickly made one of the highest ranking FCÆs and given an alt in the Executor Corp. All the key intel was collected daily and passed to enemy alliances. We also used the forums to rip Huzzah apart. Ask any ex-member of Huzzah. We shredded that alliance from the inside with well placed posts. We caused major rifts, had members wrongfully kicked as pirates and thieves, and even got one of the better corps to attempt a merger with us. Once merged, we quickly caused major strife with the members, and they ended up breaking from the alliance and become pirates. You know them now as Evisceration. In the end Huzzah was torn to bits, and 90% of the strife was thanks to us." first off you were never a FC in huzzah everone thought of you as a waste of space and full of Sh** you did nothing to us...we went down because of AAA out numbering and out gunning us.. it wasent you who brought huzzah to its knees... so lets stop and think about this achilles thonginass, you are just trying to get a rise out of every alliance you were in. one more thing... if you want to go around saying how good you are and how you can win the game by yourself i would think you should get a PS3 or an xbox 360 play that by yourself because after what you did here... no one will ever want to play with you again... have a nice day Mr. Thonginass and i hope you can play by yourself _______________________________________________

Achilles Thorongmor Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2007.03.03 21:32:00 - [121] Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 03/03/2007 21:32:20 Awesome Stuff!!! To see a group of people get so worked up over a game, lol. First, I'd like to thank the new Arsed guys for showing your true nature. You get ripped off and exposed in a video game full of imaginary spaceships, and you immediately resort to threats and personal attacks. You're doing research on me in real life, matrices reborn? And you're posting about my mental status, based on a video game. Oh, and my wife is getting brought into this? Amazing!!! Wow, you gonna track me down and beat me up for taking your imaginary money and ruining your imaginary lives? lol. Pathetic. This shows exactly what the Arsed guys are. Video game addicted, metagaming, crazy mofos. You are losing touch with reality as you apparently can't keep this ingame. I thank you for proving my point. On the subject of proof. What would you guys like? If I post logs, they will be called fake. Screenshots? Well duh, those were photoshopped of course. This is a game. There is no proof I can give that will make anyone believe me more or less. Kugutsumen proved that. Believe my story or not, I could care less. Just trying to be helpful. So, I got tired of a game and, like some have stated, took my toys and went home. Now I'm a crazy, pathetic loser in RL? I've actually received threats from these Arsed guys. Got logs for that, but of course they're fake. Wow. Again I'm amazed at the lunacy I'm seeing from people who play this game. Ok, well you are all guilty of property damage and murder, since you destroy imaginary ships and kill imaginary guys in little round eggs. BTW, all you pirates out there are going to jail you damn thieves. You all have no morales in RL because of your imaginary video game actions. GHSC guys, you should all be taken out and shot obviously, because you are terrible people because of what you did in Eve. Guys, this is a game. It will eventually go offline and nothing you ever did will mean anything whatsoever. I ran an imaginary corp, got sick of the people in it and our actions in this fantasy world, and I stole some imaginary money and spaceships. There, I have confessed. Take that to your local police station and see if you can get the warrant issued. Everyone here needs to step back and take a breath. It's a game!!! And yes, I could easily sell my characters and start all over again. Not a single person would know. For that matter, anyone in Eve could do that. Why? Because it's all fantasy. I've already sold all of them except Achilles. I have enough isk to buy 3 or so 50mil SP+ characters if I wanted. I could reappear in any corp in the game. That's the nature of Eve. Matter of fact, I had an alt in STK-S that I stupidly got caught with, due in part to the metagaming of Arsed. They are actually tracking my IP addresses. They used IP info from the Arsclan board, stuff from the Mercenary Coalition board, and provided said info to the STK leadership which resulted in the removal of my alt. I'm pretty sure that's know as metagaming. And if Arsed or STK-S would like to give some real evidence against my claim of metagaming, please give it. There is no way you could have tracked down that alt unless you used out of game means. Thanks for proving me right. What now? Easy. Buy more characters and mask my IP better in the future. So yes, I'm a crazy, terrible, murdering, property damaging, stealing, lying, cheating, bad man in RL because of my actions. Honestly, the only people I've seen that need mental help are the Arsed guys making threats of violence and personal attacks based on a video game. So please keep up the personal attacks Arsed guys, it does nothing but give undeniable proof of what you are. To you all, please get help. This is a game. Don't like my post? I don't care. The replies in this thread have proved me right, so I win. Now, onward with the flaming and the deflective posts!!!
Che Kdoud Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 21:36:00 - [122] Edited by: Che Kdoud on 03/03/2007 21:38:45 Edited by: Che Kdoud on 03/03/2007 21:35:19 Edited by: Che Kdoud on 03/03/2007 21:32:59 Quote: The parties that matter do not possess the level of idiocy required to believe self-indulgent and bitter tales. Anyone else is frankly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. As those who have enough sense know, egotistical people who are too insecure to handle criticism end up imploding in a crisis of neurosis. Once rejected, they lash out in anti-social behavior (hence the mass theft), and then must obsessively try to destroy what constantly haunts them as being a reminder of their own failure (hence the tale). It is honestly quite disturbing that this particular individual suffers from such severe mental disorder that he concocts an elaborate - though amusingly unintelligent lie - to feed his failed ego. It is both a measure of the manÆs intellectual poverty and emotional insecurity. Sadly, it is also a reflection of the fact that the man literally lost his mind going paranoid with meta-gaming instead of actually leading the corporation. This paranoia is on full display with his meta-gaming-centered story. But I suppose that is to be expected from individuals who pretend to be military warriors but are merely attached clerks who tell everyone on the internet they are special forces, green beret, etc. (Yes, we are capable of doing research; no, we will not disclose name and specific details). +++ /signed Seriously Ach... we totally trusted you and stood behind you for 1.5 years. Get help buddy. I wish you the best. Can I have my ISK back please? - co
Jaegan Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 22:13:00 - [123] Quote: Awesome Stuff!!! To see a group of people get so worked up over a game, lol. Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor I ran an imaginary corp, got sick of the people in it and our actions in this fantasy world, and I stole some imaginary money and spaceships. I lol'd.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.03 22:26:00 - [124] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor nonsense Wow, if you think this is all about a game and therefore doesn't matter then I don't think you're a loser, I think you're a selfish son of a piece of dog *** loser. It's not about the isk, it's not about the "pretend spaceships and men in eggs". It's about the time and effort and dedication that people in corps spend on eachother. It is about trust and friendship. The reaon people are so **ed at you is because you violated them on a level that it is impossible to protect against. Now, please go die. -Wylker
Achilles Thorongmor Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2007.03.03 22:44:00 - [125] Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor nonsense Wow, if you think this is all about a game and therefore doesn't matter then I don't think you're a loser, I think you're a selfish son of a piece of dog *** loser. It's not about the isk, it's not about the "pretend spaceships and men in eggs". It's about the time and effort and dedication that people in corps spend on eachother. It is about trust and friendship. The reaon people are so **ed at you is because you violated them on a level that it is impossible to protect against. Now, please go die. Idiocy personified. Thanks for proving my point even better. "Go die" over a video game.
PKlavins Caldari 3rdlane Industries Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.03.03 22:48:00 - [126] well done achilles. yes i say that sincerely, even tho i was in both of the alliances that you brought down. to put that much effort and work into your own goals is admirable, at least for me. they arent purely evil/bad. personally i would have liked to see you bring down RA...but hey......cant have everything http://paklavins.deviantart.com/ first -eris
B0rn2KiLL DEATHFUNK	Posted - 2007.03.03 22:49:00 - [127] if any of this is true, then good work i guess. but i must say, eve has mechanics.. why are people so persistent at wanting to brain-skroo eachother so badly? seriously, play the game. enjoy your eve afterlife mate, i heard u get to meet real women there! --- new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u. *Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11
PARTYHARD	Posted - 2007.03.03 22:52:00 - [128] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 03/03/2007 21:32:20 Matter of fact, I had an alt in STK-S that I stupidly got caught with, due in part to the metagaming of Arsed. They are actually tracking my IP addresses. They used IP info from the Arsclan board, stuff from the Mercenary Coalition board, and provided said info to the STK leadership which resulted in the removal of my alt. I'm pretty sure that's know as metagaming. And if Arsed or STK-S would like to give some real evidence against my claim of metagaming, please give it. There is no way you could have tracked down that alt unless you used out of game means. Thanks for proving me right. What now? Easy. Buy more characters and mask my IP better in the future. OMG, NO WAI! You mean we aren't allowed to keep spies out of our corp? I hope you recover from your mental problems. All the best, Partyhard.
Sku1ly STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.03 23:14:00 - [129] Edited by: Sku1ly on 03/03/2007 23:10:33 I never had anything to do with STK -CYVOK- crap, wrong character :( STK-S
Laephis Brinn Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 23:48:00 - [130] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor To you all, please get help. This is a game. The game is that way ---> eve.exe. You stopped playing it months ago and took up the metagame full time. Only instead of some cool spy network, your metagame was verbally abusing the pilots who trusted you to lead our corporation. Quote: Don't like my post? I don't care. We love your post, Achilles, it's you as a person we don't like. Quote: The replies in this thread have proved me right, so I win. Are we reading the same thread? The one where former and current alliance mates are calling you on your BS? The one where former and current enemies of Ars are calling you on your BS? Are you bothered that your only "supporters" are the tin-foil wearing forum warriors just looking for a good scam to relieve their boredom? I get the impression that what really bugs you is that your theft wasn't able to crush our corporation or crush our spirits. We've had a huge outpouring of support, donations, and good-will after you stole everything. We're having more fun than ever before now that your bad attitude isn't dragging us down. We no longer have to apologize for your outbursts. Post all you want, Achilles, you can't hurt us anymore. So enjoy sitting on your pile of ill-gotten ISK, alone. It may buy you a new character (eventually), but it won't buy you any friends and it certainly won't buy you a new personality.

Fabienne Runestar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 23:49:00 - [131] Edited by: Fabienne Runestar on 03/03/2007 23:46:33 ... I was going to reply, but when it comes down to it. STK knows how we found you. Any other alliance leader that wants to know, just convo Fabienne Runestar or drop me an evemail. So can I have my isk back since it was purchased via GTCs, and constitutes as real money? ---
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.04 00:03:00 - [132] Yeah you should be using proxies to go through to mask your IP address. Also comes in handy for irc and ts as well. That was a no-brainer, but just like everything else you can't know everything right off the get go. Keep your infiltration crew all on the same proxy and use all forms of communication (forums, gameplay, ts, etc) for that set of alts. If you don't know how to set up a proper proxy with a hosting provider, then get a second internet connection from a seperate ISP. But then you are limited to only running up to 2 marks effectively whereas the proxy can handle multiple ips from different a/b blocks. Using out of the same c block of ips isn't recommended. As for selling your mains, why bother? Sure you can recycle as they are pretty much useless for this type of gameplay after they have done their work, but they are still welcome (and can be useful) elsewhere. Find a budding corp with lots of potential and go help it out. This will help out your conscience if you happen to be having any issues there ;) You can still go about playing the peons with your alt squad fairly easily. It isn't like infiltration takes much effort - there is always some free loader in the corp who will do less than you will anyhow. STK just like the other ASCN/Xetic corps base the likelihood of being a 'sp1e' conversely to what you do for the corp so that is fairly easy to manipulate.
PARTYHARD	Posted - 2007.03.04 00:28:00 - [133] Two people in this thread with delusions of grandeur - how sad.
Hast Refused.	Posted - 2007.03.04 01:13:00 - [134] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor ASCN - After Huzzah, we decided to go for a really big fish. We got agents into forum admin positions and TS admin slots. Alts were placed in every corp in ASCN. I believe most of them are still in the corps that broke from ASCN, so beware. Anyway, we managed to get some key directors into position and began funneling money. Once BoB attacked fully, we got them all the intel and access to the ASCN TS channels. Battle after battle, ASCN couldn’t understand why BoB always knew when and where to strike. They knew because we told them. No you didnt Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor Then came the Titan kill. We had multiple members in the gang with CYVOK. When he crashed/logged, we immediately got in contact with BoB leadership and got the probers in to find the Titan. Also, no you didnt Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.03.04 01:43:00 - [135] How to tell truth from lies, more often than not, - Ask yourself, "Who has more reason to lie to me?"
Cammulos Magnetar Ltd Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.03.04 01:46:00 - [136] OP = Douche Bag
Miraeda Gallente Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 01:59:00 - [137] Originally by: Lord XSiV Yeah you should be using proxies to go through to mask your IP address. Also comes in handy for irc and ts as well. That was a no-brainer, but just like everything else you can't know everything right off the get go. Keep your infiltration crew all on the same proxy and use all forms of communication (forums, gameplay, ts, etc) for that set of alts. If you don't know how to set up a proper proxy with a hosting provider, then get a second internet connection from a seperate ISP. But then you are limited to only running up to 2 marks effectively whereas the proxy can handle multiple ips from different a/b blocks. Using out of the same c block of ips isn't recommended. As for selling your mains, why bother? Sure you can recycle as they are pretty much useless for this type of gameplay after they have done their work, but they are still welcome (and can be useful) elsewhere. Find a budding corp with lots of potential and go help it out. This will help out your conscience if you happen to be having any issues there ;) You can still go about playing the peons with your alt squad fairly easily. It isn't like infiltration takes much effort - there is always some free loader in the corp who will do less than you will anyhow. STK just like the other ASCN/Xetic corps base the likelihood of being a 'sp1e' conversely to what you do for the corp so that is fairly easy to manipulate. Ok, it doesn't occur to you odd that he hasn't done any of this? roll He's not that stupid. He's also not patient.
Tessa Vaako Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 02:11:00 - [138] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor You are losing touch with reality as you apparently can't keep this ingame. May I point out that you started this slander thread? All actions that I am aware of, have been taken against your in-game characters. If you have been harassed in RL then those that have done so have gone against my express orders and will be booted from Ars ex Discordia. Quote: On the subject of proof. What would you guys like? If I post logs, they will be called fake. Screenshots? Well duh, those were photoshopped of course. It is very hard to procure something that doesn't exist. Logs or screenshots posted will be called fake because they will be fake, and for no other reason. In the end you are a single voice, and as loud as you may shout your lies, I have the entire corporation behind me. Not a single one of then will colloborate your lies. We will drown out your lies with a veritable chorus of truth. Hell, I am prepared to publish a database dump of the Ars ex Discordia forums for public review. Guess what people will find? I'll save you the trouble, they'll find Sweet Frack All. Quote: Again I'm amazed at the lunacy I'm seeing from people who play this game. I am still amazed by the lunacy of someone we TRUSTED. Someone we SUPPORTED. In response to a request by YOUR leadership councel to moderatate your tone and temper on public forums you choose instead to "[take] my toys and [go] home" Except you didn't stop with your toys. You attempted to take everyones toys. And now once you've taken all the toys away you see us with new toys. You see us having fun without you, so you're trying to ensure the other kids don't come play with us. Quote: I ran an imaginary corp, got sick of [...] our actions in this fantasy world What actions? This slander you're trying to promote? Are you really that delusional? Do you read what our enemies were saying about Ars Caelestis? We have the respect of PURE, some of the best CODA-era FIX corps. Ars Caelestis was given props by BoB members for attempting to harass their T2 supply starbases with Battleship gangs during the ASCN war. Go back and read the recient threads regarding the Ars Caelestis breakup. The support we have gotten from ALL quarters, friend and foe alike is plain to see. Quote: There is no way you could have tracked down that alt unless you used out of game means. Untrue. We have our own proof that was gathered with IN GAME means. Just because YOU do not know how it was done doesn't mean that it wasn't or can't be. You're not as smart as you think you are. Tell me something... how bad was it to lose four billion in Capital ships to an auction scammer? We found it very funny when he contacted me with what he'd done. As always, if anybody has questions or comments please do not hesistate to contact me and I will clear them up to the best of my ability. Tessa Vaako CEO Ars ex Discordia In concordia, vires. Ex discordia, gloria. (In Unity Strength, From Chaos, Glory) --
Toros Revoke STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.04 03:23:00 - [139] Edited by: Toros Revoke on 04/03/2007 03:19:35 I wonder if this happens in wow, or just eve?
J'ghathii Caldari 54th Knights Templar	Posted - 2007.03.04 04:27:00 - [140] LOL@ The OP Get some help dude, seriously. I'm inclined to laugh you away, but mental illness is no joke, and we should honestly and wholeheartedly encourage people who suffer from it to get help. In all seriousness.

Rudy Metallo Minmatar G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.03.04 04:31:00 - [141] April 1st isn't for a month. But a good read nonetheless.
Mestoth Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 04:37:00 - [142] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor Then came the Titan kill. We had multiple members in the gang with CYVOK. When he crashed/logged, we immediately got in contact with BoB leadership and got the probers in to find the Titan. Perhaps i should go and ask Valora (you know...the guy that SCANNED down the titan)....Maybe get him to post his opinions. Oh wait. maybe he is metagaming as well. or perhaps he is my twisted persona....or. or. or. Ach you make unsubstantiated claims about things that are not only a stretch of imagination but purely crazy. Then you abuse us about the fact we care that you stole everything. Yet your original post to us and your commments IN corpchat (which are logged and already posted..considering cross posting them) show that infact YOU are the one that is obsessive. You are the one that claims that ArsC was ALL your work..we just latched on like parasites. Enjoy your ill-gotten rewards. I personally dont care what you think of me. I know I wasnt involved in any of this metagaming crap you talk about. So unless it was you and leadership only; then i dont know what your talking about! but ignoring that; Please seek help. your swings of personailty are borderline Bi-Polar. If its not being treated currently, go get it treated! Oh and before im slanged; im a Nurse, nothing else, nothing more. Enjoy your new charachters; i Hope you get routed on them
VD ThatsNotRight	Posted - 2007.03.04 04:55:00 - [143] Edited by: VD ThatsNotRight on 04/03/2007 04:53:11 to the OP,so yer,if it is only a game ,why are you getting so worked up about it?is thier any any reason you have open ur sh*y little soul to us all,apart from you needing to flex your epeen.. and try claim credit for other peoples actions?we may all be little silicon bytes floatin around in a huge server.but at least we are proud of it!as for ur stuff..u can dump it in the the fu*n eve gate,,good riddance
EHZorg Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 05:31:00 - [144] can't... stop... reading... So weird. Ach man, we trusted you. You're like Denathor in LoTR: trying to toss Ars onto the fires of your own suicidal bonfire. Go then, and die in whatever way seems best to you.
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.04 05:58:00 - [145] Oy vay, what a load of doodie... "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Ben Aebn Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 07:21:00 - [146] Edited by: Ben Aebn on 04/03/2007 07:18:06 Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor Awesome Stuff!!! To see a group of people get so worked up over a game, lol. First, I'd like to thank the new Arsed guys for showing your true nature. You get ripped off and exposed in a video game full of imaginary spaceships, and you immediately resort to threats and personal attacks. You're doing research on me in real life, matrices reborn? And you're posting about my mental status, based on a video game. Oh, and my wife is getting brought into this? Amazing!!! Wow, you gonna track me down and beat me up for taking your imaginary money and ruining your imaginary lives? lol. Pathetic. This shows exactly what the Arsed guys are. Video game addicted, metagaming, crazy mofos. You are losing touch with reality as you apparently can't keep this ingame. I thank you for proving my point. Sorry bud, you can't have it both ways. You start a thread tooting your own horn about how badass you are as an infiltrator and an alliance killer, then you come in and attack the Eve community in general for taking a game seriously? Nice try. It's obvious your original posts were intended to defame ARSED so that no alliance would want us. When that plan backfired so spectacularly in this very thread, you're stuck trying to prove that you're oh so much cooler than the rest of us because you're the only one in the world of Eve who recognizes this is just a game. Good attempt, but if you really believed that you wouldn't have posted here. Sorry we've shattered your ego so thoroughly, but we really are better off without you. Enjoy your isk, enjoy your new alts, and may your new corp and alliance grant you the spectacular e-peen you so obviously crave. (edited for spelling)
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.04 07:35:00 - [147] Originally by: Miraeda Originally by: Lord XSiV Yeah you should be using proxies to go through to mask your IP address. Also comes in handy for irc and ts as well. That was a no-brainer, but just like everything else you can't know everything right off the get go. Keep your infiltration crew all on the same proxy and use all forms of communication (forums, gameplay, ts, etc) for that set of alts. If you don't know how to set up a proper proxy with a hosting provider, then get a second internet connection from a seperate ISP. But then you are limited to only running up to 2 marks effectively whereas the proxy can handle multiple ips from different a/b blocks. Using out of the same c block of ips isn't recommended. As for selling your mains, why bother? Sure you can recycle as they are pretty much useless for this type of gameplay after they have done their work, but they are still welcome (and can be useful) elsewhere. Find a budding corp with lots of potential and go help it out. This will help out your conscience if you happen to be having any issues there ;) You can still go about playing the peons with your alt squad fairly easily. It isn't like infiltration takes much effort - there is always some free loader in the corp who will do less than you will anyhow. STK just like the other ASCN/Xetic corps base the likelihood of being a 'sp1e' conversely to what you do for the corp so that is fairly easy to manipulate. Ok, it doesn't occur to you odd that he hasn't done any of this? roll He's not that stupid. He's also not patient. Aww come on now. Either it is 100% accurate, 0% or somewhere in between :) Now if inaccurate, he took you peons for 17bn. If 100%, then well he spilled his beans and I don't need to repeat his initial post. Combination of the two is more likely, and since he is up 17bn that would put him straight down the middle. Irregardless, he got the hit on you guys in any case which is the whole point. Afterall, who are the ones slamming him in the first few response lines and then ending with asking for their isk back.... Guess what, he won, you lost, move on.
Brinstead Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 08:25:00 - [148] Originally by: Lord XSiV Aww come on now. Either it is 100% accurate, 0% or somewhere in between :) Now if inaccurate, he took you peons for 17bn. If 100%, then well he spilled his beans and I don't need to repeat his initial post. Combination of the two is more likely, and since he is up 17bn that would put him straight down the middle. Irregardless, he got the hit on you guys in any case which is the whole point. Afterall, who are the ones slamming him in the first few response lines and then ending with asking for their isk back.... Guess what, he won, you lost, move on. That's just it, the opposite is true - we won, he lost. We're having fun playing the game, trading respect with friend and foe alike. Ach is screaming into an uncaring universe attempting to remain significant, when he's just sold the only thing you ever truly own in game or out... his integrety.
Laboratus Gallente BGG	Posted - 2007.03.04 11:32:00 - [149] I guess the key here is: Never trust a traitor, even one you make. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Das Forscher Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 12:03:00 - [150] CA doesnt need a arsc to die, its self sufficcient in that way _____________________________________________________

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.04 12:07:00 - [151] Soup Spoon's version sounds far more believable. So at the moment this conspiracy seems as likely to me as the area51-alien stories. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Amphetaminer	Posted - 2007.03.04 13:50:00 - [152] "big alliances controll everything and can only be defeated from the inside" thats such rubbish.. and even if you destroy one a new one takes it place. If any of this is treu then you really have waisted your time. Instead of trying to destroy people's hard work from the inside using these crappy methods. You could have worked on improving your Corp and get in a good alliance yourself and have fun instead of screwing others.
Happysin Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 14:32:00 - [153] So funny... You know, your little escapade got me back into EvE. I got convoed by numerous people when you locked down ArsC to sign back in after my 6 month hiatus. So thanks, it's nice to be back amongst Arsians again, and building stuff for them again. :) P.S. Get some help, in real life. I say that as someone who respected you in Huzzah, and worked with you to the betterment of Catch.
Miraeda Gallente Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 23:02:00 - [154] Originally by: Lord XSiV Aww come on now. Either it is 100% accurate, 0% or somewhere in between :) Now if inaccurate, he took you peons for 17bn. If 100%, then well he spilled his beans and I don't need to repeat his initial post. Combination of the two is more likely, and since he is up 17bn that would put him straight down the middle. Irregardless, he got the hit on you guys in any case which is the whole point. Afterall, who are the ones slamming him in the first few response lines and then ending with asking for their isk back.... Guess what, he won, you lost, move on. Actually I already admitted how embarrassing this is. But your suggestion that he should have planned it better, under the assumption that he had planned it at all... it is this assumption that I question, to put it mildly. I also came back to the game because of this event (disclaimer, I did not leave over him). The corp probably gained more assets than it lost with all the new and estranged people who want in now that he's out. Some people say that it is this downright dirty adversity that attracts people. No, it is hte strength and devotion of my clanmates that does it for me. I've never seen a group react so positively to misfortune. There's nothing but net benefit.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.05 06:50:00 - [155] Originally by: Brinstead Originally by: Lord XSiV Aww come on now. Either it is 100% accurate, 0% or somewhere in between :) Now if inaccurate, he took you peons for 17bn. If 100%, then well he spilled his beans and I don't need to repeat his initial post. Combination of the two is more likely, and since he is up 17bn that would put him straight down the middle. Irregardless, he got the hit on you guys in any case which is the whole point. Afterall, who are the ones slamming him in the first few response lines and then ending with asking for their isk back.... Guess what, he won, you lost, move on. That's just it, the opposite is true - we won, he lost. We're having fun playing the game, trading respect with friend and foe alike. Ach is screaming into an uncaring universe attempting to remain significant, when he's just sold the only thing you ever truly own in game or out... his integrety. No, he won, you lost. Here is the explanation: You guys begged for your stuff back. That is essentially saying 'I surrender' to that type of profession. There are bonus points as for example if you call him a sociopath, psychopath (or any other 'path' for that matter), loser, scum, etc all it means is that your hit was just that extra special. Going out to whine on the forums, another set of bonus points. Responding en mass to a thread on the hit, well you get the point. As for having fun playing the game, I highly doubt it to the extent you are trying to purvey. In fact I would more likely call it huddling around the campfire with the other peons moaning about what you lost in terms of assets. As for his situation, let me put it to you this way, I highly doubt it. Conversing with others of like mind is way better than dealing with lower level peons for which crayons are the writing tool of choice.... And by the way, 'the new Ars' group is an embarassment to the Ars name. The guys from Technica should slap you with a restraining order as you definitely don't represent them.
Eccentrica Galumbits	Posted - 2007.03.05 08:34:00 - [156] Wow Lord XSiV, the depths of your ignorance on this subject is amazing. The guy didn't steal the stuff from their corp because he's some uber-thief. He did it because he wanted to do something moronic and the rest of the corp leaders said no. If he was some master thief, why were they able to steal back a bunch of stuff that he failed to lock down? Why was he suckered in an auction scam? Why has one of his alts already been booted out of other corps? He's washed up, trying to rewrite history to make himself look like he was important. Congratulations on being the only other person in the Eve universe on being suckered by him. Quote: And by the way, 'the new Ars' group is an embarassment to the Ars name. The guys from Technica should slap you with a restraining order as you definitely don't represent them. Ah the truth comes out. You just don't like the "Ars group", and are looking to perpetuate whatever harm can go against them. Achilles wasn't an Arsian. And I'm guessing you know little about the real ArsT yourself. Go join Achilles in his "Arsian Fan Club", where he can regale you with his tales of make-believe uber-meta gaming, and you can both poke fun at a group of people you know nothing about.
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:41:00 - [157] If only there was an oscars for forum posts... Achilles nominated for Best Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published for trying to be something he never was based on things other people have done. Best Achievement in Editing for his rewriting of Eve history! Lord Xsiv for Best Supporting Actress, and Best Costume for his forum clown outfit.
Da'Kor Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.03.05 14:45:00 - [158] Edited by: Da''Kor on 05/03/2007 14:42:05 As far as Huzzah goes... ArsC set up bubble camps in heavily traveled systems (HED) and killed shuttles and pods: All the while claiming their greatness. There are a few things I would like to point out to any of you who believe anything that spews from Achilles' mouth: 1) ArsC as a whole did not participate in alliance ops (of any kind) 2) ArsC did not participate in the political realm of the alliance - Hans Roaming handled that 3) Achilles was NOT one of the highest Fleet Commanders (see number 1 on the list). Because of your ignorance, and arrogance, your entire corporation was pushed out of the minds of the "common man" and we knew we couldn't rely on you for anything. As a matter of fact, we knew when -A- attacked that you would leave and we also knew you would drop your POS when you did. You weren't operating under a cloud of secrecy by any means. I can believe that ArsC did their best to sabotage whatever they could, but you need to pull your head out of your (choice word) and look around. You were hated because you were lame ***hats... not because you were so good at what you did. Unless you count killing shuttles as l33t.
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.05 15:58:00 - [159] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 05/03/2007 15:59:04 So what's the final verdict? Did he do it, or didn't he? Does it matter? You set out to emulate the GHSC and you did, after a fashion. But did you live up to the legacy? I doubt it. Talk to me when you're still affecting the course of the game weeks and months after your departure, be it through hundreds of people making extra careful their hangars are safely locked, or by causing, either directly or not, the largest war EVE has seen. Until then, Istvaan's legacy will always exceed yours. ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.05 23:09:00 - [160] Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 05/03/2007 15:59:04 So what's the final verdict? Did he do it, or didn't he? Does it matter? You set out to emulate the GHSC and you did, after a fashion. But did you live up to the legacy? I doubt it. Talk to me when you're still affecting the course of the game weeks and months after your departure, be it through hundreds of people making extra careful their hangars are safely locked, or by causing, either directly or not, the largest war EVE has seen. Until then, Istvaan's legacy will always exceed yours. I wouldn't call throwing a temper tantrum, robbing your corp then claiming false greatness to be emulating the GHSC, but that's just me. Let's be honest here, the OP is more absurd than if DS were to claim he's the reason devs have gold bars on their posts. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

Jarling Fang Perkone	Posted - 2007.03.06 00:41:00 - [161] Edited by: Jarling Fang on 06/03/2007 00:38:55 OP: I haven't heard of you personally but your rantings sound like someone who recently fell from grace with a large portion of the community and is seeking the recognition and respect you obviously crave by making claims to significant in-game events which you had nothing to do with. You are slowly coming to realize that the value of the things you stole from your friends isn't worth quite as much as the hit to your reputation. I think you've proven, more than anything else, that you have entered a phase of delusional desperation. Or in other words, "I call B.S."
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.03.06 01:26:00 - [162] Originally by: Weebear If only there was an oscars for forum posts... Achilles nominated for Best Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published for trying to be something he never was based on things other people have done. Best Achievement in Editing for his rewriting of Eve history! Lord Xsiv for Best Supporting Actress, and Best Costume for his forum clown outfit. I lol'ed *
Helix Fluxx Caldari Contempo Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.06 02:04:00 - [163] You know what? If the OP's story had been the truth I would have been impressed. Truly very impressed. Someone who has read this is now probably trying to work out how they can actually pull that kind of a gameplan off. Also I'd have loved to have been the guy (if even that actually happenned) who got handed 17 Billion ISK. Just think of all the scams you could afford to fall for with that much ISK. However, it's all cowpats. From what I've read here, barring the blinding idiocy of Lord XSiV, everything the OP came out with only ever happenned in his own mind, which is a hell of a shame really. Originally by: Weebear If only there was an oscars for forum posts... Achilles nominated for Best Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published for trying to be something he never was based on things other people have done. Best Achievement in Editing for his rewriting of Eve history! Lord Xsiv for Best Supporting Actress, and Best Costume for his forum clown outfit. That was far more amusing though
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2007.03.06 02:15:00 - [164] Um. This is madness. Theres two spy networks in the game (Well 3 if you count Kugs I suppose) that have alts in pretty much every corp, and dummy corps in every major alliance of note. Mittanis's GIA, and BOB. If destroying alliances are as easy as you say, it would of happened by now. But it hasnt. Methinx you tell tales to try and destroy whats left of the mess you made of the Ars crew.
Shmachura School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.06 04:12:00 - [165] Edited by: Shmachura on 06/03/2007 04:12:50 Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor So yes, I'm a crazy, terrible, murdering, property damaging, stealing, lying, cheating, bad man in RL because of my actions.YARRRR!! If that's how you choose to let yourself off the hook, no one can stop you. Any right-thinking person however knows that you are exactly the same man outside the game. You may not act on these sociopathic urges in real life but please understand that the reason for this is that you are a coward. In real life there are repercussions for people who act like you. You still have these thoughts but you're just about intelligent enough to restrain yourself. Edit: Your personality will always shine through any of your future guises so I hope the 17b was worth it. You'll never take part in Eve's endgame again.
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.06 04:35:00 - [166] Edited by: Cadiz on 06/03/2007 04:38:18 Originally by: Da'Kor Edited by: Da''Kor on 05/03/2007 14:42:05 As far as Huzzah goes... ArsC set up bubble camps in heavily traveled systems (HED) and killed shuttles and pods: All the while claiming their greatness. There are a few things I would like to point out to any of you who believe anything that spews from Achilles' mouth: 1) ArsC as a whole did not participate in alliance ops (of any kind) 2) ArsC did not participate in the political realm of the alliance - Hans Roaming handled that 3) Achilles was NOT one of the highest Fleet Commanders (see number 1 on the list). Because of your ignorance, and arrogance, your entire corporation was pushed out of the minds of the "common man" and we knew we couldn't rely on you for anything. As a matter of fact, we knew when -A- attacked that you would leave and we also knew you would drop your POS when you did. You weren't operating under a cloud of secrecy by any means. I can believe that ArsC did their best to sabotage whatever they could, but you need to pull your head out of your (choice word) and look around. You were hated because you were lame **hats... not because you were so good at what you did. Unless you count killing shuttles as l33t. Da'Kor, you know I love you dearly, but I think you've been quaffing a bit too much of Zarnie's Krazy Kool-Aid (tea-flavoured) here. ArsC guys were in on almost every major combat op, and were fighting against aAa pretty much right up to the hour of their departure from the alliance. Yes, they could be insufferably pompous prats to deal with at the time - moreso at the higher levels of management - but trying to claim that they didn't fight is pure lunacy. Nobody, other than StateCorp and Organized Combat Consortium (<3 you guys so much!), brought more t2 to the table more consistently than ArsC. I know the current state-approved GSY version of Huzzah history is to claim that every corp other than GSY did absolutely nothing for the alliance and merely dragged it down to a mongrel's death, but let's not allow internal feel-good propaganda that serves primarily to justify using the Huzzah banner as a cover for petty Syndicate brigandry blind us to the truth of past events too* much. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Captain Stephanie	Posted - 2007.03.06 06:16:00 - [167] Damn, Danari He beat you to it, I am glad to see that your not the only delusional selfindugent failure as a CEO in Eve :) Good luck and Happy flying
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.03.08 04:41:00 - [168] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor a corp thief and traitor Truer words have never been spoken from you before as the above qoute. GHSC your not. Nice attempt at a twist tho.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.08 05:21:00 - [169] w00 h00, retorts from peons! Ok, where do I start. Oh yes, he won. Him 17bn, you guys as a group of peons 0. He is infinitely better than you. End of story. Thanks for the honor of 'best actress' in one of the posts. Too bad the poster is basically a nobody so there is no merit or value to it. On the otherhand seeing it was this person's 'fantasy', I might be concerned for my well being as to their true meaning...So to nip that one in the bud, I am married with children, move along. As for your big 'Arsian' speech, signing up for forum access to Technica doesn't mean jack. The founders of Technica back in the late 90s were cool kids. You guys are not cool kids. Don't think that signing up for a geek discussion group that has since moved onto better things will make you cool kids. That is about as pathetic as Slashdotters arguing over who is smarter based on who has the smallest member registration number.... In regards to comparing to the GHSC actions, this isn't even in the same category. You simpletons don't get it. He took all your stuff cause you were pathetic and didn't deserve to have it. Basically he executed his 'golden paracute' which is the god given right of every CEO whether it be in real life or in a game once the realization that the corporate peons are not worth standing up for anymore. You as players failed him, not the other way around. Just because there are more of you crying about it, it only appears from a quantitative (uh oh big word, use dict.org) perspective (uh oh, another big word) that he is the villain (not so big word and can remember from batman cartoons the meaning) in this situation. Anyhow, thanks for coming out. Can't wait for the next one. You guys should print up t-shirts. Suggested slogan: I am an Ars Peon and got Scammed and to help generate some isk for your new equally likely to fail venture, you can print up t-shirts and sell for isk with the following slogan: I am with Ars Peon who got Scammed Sell them at Fanfest. To help you out I will commit to buying one.
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.08 05:47:00 - [170] Originally by: Lord XSiV Basically he executed his 'golden paracute' which is the god given right of every CEO whether it be in real life Not really... that tends to get you 5+ years in a federal prison... and Lord XSiV, you really need to STFU. You've done nothing but flame ex-ASCN corps on the eve-o forums, your bitterness is showing.

Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.08 06:41:00 - [171] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 08/03/2007 06:40:53 Originally by: Brunswick2 Originally by: Lord XSiV Basically he executed his 'golden paracute' which is the god given right of every CEO whether it be in real life Not really... that tends to get you 5+ years in a federal prison... and Lord XSiV, you really need to STFU. You've done nothing but flame ex-ASCN corps on the eve-o forums, your bitterness is showing. Aww, it isn't bitterness, it is a history lesson! Frankly, I couldn't care; it is just fun cause I know all you ex-ASCNers are so bloody serious (and naive at the same time) about the game. Cripes, you know first hand how Samurai Jack gets all winded up on the propanganda and organizing the mass petitions after losing an entire fleet due to his own lack of tactics. It is priceless and just so easy to do too. As proof of which, I will refrain from retorting to your attempt at an insult and take the 'let's see if we can help the challenged individual' approach. It will be tough I know, but let's see how it goes. And no it doesn't result in 5 years imprisonment. 'Golden Parachute' is the term for severence package which is always negotiated prior to the CEO originally taking the position and renegotiated if requested by the CEO with the board of directors. I didn't expect you to know that as you obviously have never been in a position to be a CEO so I figured that defining it for you would be benficial. In Eve's case, the CEO is entitled to all of a corporation's assets as what was done in this case. The 5 years you are refering to might be a reference to the possible penalties from the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. Since the act is being challenged, it is highly unlikely to stand in its current form. Mind you it would be interesting idea to put something SOX like into Eve....Then agian you aren't legal allowed to go blow up someone's stuff in real life so maybe it isn't such a good idea.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.08 07:31:00 - [172] Stop posting in this topic. You guys are just feeding this obviously emotionally distraught fellow... - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.08 07:40:00 - [173] Originally by: Frug Stop posting in this topic. You guys are just feeding this obviously emotionally distraught fellow... I agree - quit feeding Brunswick2, he is having a hard enough time as it is with seperation anxiety issues.
Stillet0	Posted - 2007.03.08 10:36:00 - [174] stop feeding this thread
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.08 11:33:00 - [175] Would just like to clarify that Ars C did it on alliance ops in Huzzah, in fact they dropped a nice tower to take a system that killed me once. So please no bad mouthing of Ars C from former corp mates in GSY. Achilles it seems that from these posts you might be realising that there is no glory in abusing the power of a CEO and that in fact you've lost more than you gained by doing so. In EVE it's very easy to abuse positions of power and do what you did, nothing to crow about to be honest. You used to run an up and coming corp who has achieved great things and in one moment you decided to rip them off and loose it all bar some ships which you lost to a scam and you now have some ISK with some ships and mods in a hanger, great, have fun with that.
The Rincewind	Posted - 2007.03.08 11:45:00 - [176] Anyway Hans it was a great time with you in Huzzah and u were a good Ally-Leader
Corporate Stooge	Posted - 2007.03.08 14:43:00 - [177] Lord XSiV = Achilles The only way to make it more obvious is to post as the wrong character.
Wild Rho Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2007.03.08 15:54:00 - [178] And I am the puppet master of it all! Dance puppets dance mwhahahahahhahahahahahah!!!! etc.
Alisha Retaris Caldari Fate Corporation The Shadow Brotherhood	Posted - 2007.03.08 23:49:00 - [179] Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:47:27 ASCN - After Huzzah, we decided to go for a really big fish. We got agents into forum admin positions and TS admin slots. Alts were placed in every corp in ASCN. I believe most of them are still in the corps that broke from ASCN, so beware. Anyway, we managed to get some key directors into position and began funneling money. Once BoB attacked fully, we got them all the intel and access to the ASCN TS channels. Battle after battle, ASCN couldnÆt understand why BoB always knew when and where to strike. They knew because we told them. Then came the Titan kill. We had multiple members in the gang with CYVOK. When he crashed/logged, we immediately got in contact with BoB leadership and got the probers in to find the Titan. The rest is history. Shortly after the Titan kill, ASCN was dead. Now we need another target. Well I can Say with 100% conviction that this is a Lie. ASCN was doomed before the titan loss and i'm not going to get into the details they are too long to even bother with. As far as the TS infiltration that was easy and it went both ways. Funneling funds away from ASCN well I can only say for certian in the case of 2 corps that that never happened. The BoB winning every battle lol they won because they played the spam pos game and one person oflining a bunch of pos's from one corp ( and this charcter was around longer than ars c. so he was unlikely an alt of ars c) So Achiles at least this part of your post is bs so it's reasonable to belive all of it is.
Maclovia Saavedra Gallente Ars ex Discordia	Posted - 2007.03.09 03:51:00 - [180] Edited by: Maclovia Saavedra on 09/03/2007 03:50:18 Originally by: Hans Roaming Would just like to clarify that Ars C did it on alliance ops in Huzzah, in fact they dropped a nice tower to take a system that killed me once. Hans, I'm sorry for that, I really am man. Also, your Sig Rocks the house. Thats nice. PS, I'm with ARSED, and have been since before any Organized ArsCorp was formed. We're with Curse Alliance Now Thanks. (how do I turn this **** on and keep it on anyway?)

Ian Novarider Aliastra	Posted - 2007.03.09 07:56:00 - [181] Can someone please explain to the OP the difference between the GHSC and him ... which can be summarized under "class and style". Have fun Ian Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
Elle D Caldari Ars ex Discordia	Posted - 2007.03.09 08:00:00 - [182] zOMG page 7 in an Achilles thread. There's your attention for the day, bud.
Spikda Troot	Posted - 2007.03.09 08:18:00 - [183] Edited by: Spikda Troot on 09/03/2007 08:15:25 I felt I had to make this post though I doubt it will remain here for long unmoderated. I see many people comparing this to the GHSC incident and I can tell you that I have absolute proof that the GHSC incident was fabricated. CCP knew about it in advance and helped make it happen. I found out and told CCP and was told not to pursue this any further or I would be banned. And you may say proof or STFU and that's understandable, I'm not posting all my material though since it reveals who I am. But think about it and look at some of the other stuff Istvaans has doneand what he does nowadays and you will get a feel for what it's all about. It gave CCP great PR at the time and kudos to them for arranging it, it helped EVE's popularity a lot. But I'm sick of people thinking it was pure player driven incident. This is an alt and a trial account, moderation in 3...2...1... (Edited for a little clarity)
Nero Ya'ng Caldari YaFa Empires	Posted - 2007.03.09 08:31:00 - [184] * geting some Popcorn * I luv verbal PvP
Mestoth Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 11:41:00 - [185] Edited by: Mestoth on 09/03/2007 11:38:26 Originally by: Da'Kor Edited by: Da''Kor on 05/03/2007 14:42:05 As far as Huzzah goes... ArsC set up bubble camps in heavily traveled systems (HED) and killed shuttles and pods: All the while claiming their greatness. There are a few things I would like to point out to any of you who believe anything that spews from Achilles' mouth: As a matter of fact, we knew when -A- attacked that you would leave and we also knew you would drop your POS when you did. You weren't operating under a cloud of secrecy by any means. 1) OF COURSE you knew we were leaving. We made a PUBLIC forum annoncment on the HF Boards 2 weeks before we left! About 6 days AFTER that post -a- attacked! We left BEFORE the war started due to the political issues (ie us not winnning prez :P Not saying we arent sore loosers!...hell Hans Roaming SAYS it himself!) Of COURSE you knew...WE TOLD YOU we were leaving. My ships and equipement (BS's etc) were ALREADY out in empire BEFORE the first attack happened! I still fought in many gangs and lead several (i infact by accident lead a group of 20 odd BS's + support and lost 5 in a Dictor ambush, because i wasnt movign safe spots reguraly enough and not understanding that killing the dictor doesnt stop the bubble!) Re: HED. We DID kill a lot of shuttles. We also killed a lot of other ships. The fact that MOST people that fly through HED from Agil were Alts in shuttles or noob ships and then stop using their mains is hardly our fault. But, ignoring that entirely; so what. Im proud to be a 1337 shuttle killer. (oh and my new Sig is in progress, the PSD of mine went corrupt so im getting a backup off a friend ;P)
Lonak Silu	Posted - 2007.03.09 13:04:00 - [186] Edited by: Lonak Silu on 09/03/2007 13:00:19 Originally by: Nero Ya'ng * geting some Popcorn * I luv verbal PvP sit next to Nero and steal him some pop corn so...what did i miss dude ? "..And now, a short commercial break. More conspiracies, cyber crimes upon mental illness and drama, in the next episode of : Eve drama. Where you will learn how CCP killed JFK. Stay tuned !" Awwww NO ! IBCB btw
Tessa Vaako Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:58:00 - [187] Originally by: "Loser XSiV" w00 h00, retorts from peons! Would you rather have a retort from the CEO? Well here you go, I will justify your existence with a directed reply. Originally by: "Loser XSiV" You guys begged for your stuff back. We did no such thing. Proof or STFU. Originally by: "Loser XSiV" Going out to whine on the forums, another set of bonus points. Responding en mass to a thread on the hit, well you get the point. Our forum "whine" as you call it has consisted of: 1) A single thread where we informed people of the basic facts of the corp theft. 2) Rebuttals and corrections to Achilles wildly inaccurate posts in this thread. That's it, that's all. We do not need lies to inflate our worth or our accomplishments. Originally by: "Loser XSiV" As for having fun playing the game, I highly doubt it to the extent you are trying to purvey. In fact I would more likely call it huddling around the campfire with the other peons moaning about what you lost in terms of assets. Speaking of accomplishments, we just topped the Curse Alliance killboards. Ars ex Discordia currently occupies #1 spot for this month and the #3 all time spot. In terms of ISK and BPOs, we have already replaced the majority of what was stolen. I hardly call that "huddling around the campfire". From where I'm sitting, I see a corporation that has pulled itself together in face of adversity and is doing very well for itself, despite what is only a minor setback. Originally by: "Loser XSiV" And by the way, 'the new Ars' group is an embarassment to the Ars name. The guys from Technica should slap you with a restraining order as you definitely don't represent them. We've never claimed to represent the Ars Technica community. The majority of our pilots come FROM that community, but it is hardly the same thing. Feel free to confirm with the moderators of the Ars T. forums for clarification on this subject if you want. Originally by: "Loser XSiV" You guys are not cool kids. Yawn. Come back when you got more then just ad hom attacks. Originally by: "Loser XSiV" Oh yes, he won. Him 17bn, you guys as a group of peons 0. He is infinitely better than you. End of story. Just so I'm clear on this: By your definition then, "winning" involves becoming the CEO of a corporation, running that corporation for nearly a year and a half, gaining the trust of the members, then stealing the corporations hard won assets and starting a defamation campaign against the former members? If this is the case, I plan to never "win". I have too much respect for the people I fly with. You, on the other hand, I have no respect for. What have you accomplished in this game? I mean besides laughing at the misfortunes of others? In the end we lost some ISK. Big deal. ISK is easy enough to come by and as mentioned before, its been mostly replaced already. Originally by: "Loser XSiV" You simpletons don't get it. He took all your stuff cause you were pathetic and didn't deserve to have it. You call us pathetic and not worth it. You say that we failed him. Proof or STFU. Actually, forget that, just STFU until you've got something worth saying. As always, if anybody has questions or concerns about the claims made in this thread, please feel free to contact me. Tessa Vaako CEO Ars ex Discordia. -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Matrices Reborn Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 18:15:00 - [188] /me sees new ôLoserXö alt. LetÆs celebrate - the guy officially now has more alts than the number of T1 drones which were required to kill his faction-kitted rapier.
Mestoth Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.10 02:32:00 - [189] Originally by: Matrices Reborn /me sees new ôLoserXö alt. LetÆs celebrate - the guy officially now has more alts than the number of T1 drones which were required to kill his faction-kitted rapier. ++ and PWNED
Golden Druid	Posted - 2007.03.10 10:28:00 - [190] So can I just confirm something. I have read the first page and the last page so perhaps in-between these to points the point has been made that this guy stole a lot of isks worth of equipment, sold it and passed the cash to a noob in Jita, isn't that a bit like money laundering, Sure this guy has sold all his characters what's to say he wasn't the noob and he's sitting there now with all his ill gotten gains creating this complete smoke screen to distract us from the real even which is just corp theft by a self admitted devious and underhanded human being. I apologise if this point has already been raised and answered but the average human life expectancy is only 3 score and 10 years so I couldnÆt be bothered with the rest of the post as I didnÆt want to die on page 6

Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.03.10 11:22:00 - [191] <3 EVE
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.10 11:57:00 - [192] Strange post. Complete fabrication from the ASCN/BoB relationship part. Well, whatever floats your boat, but I'm sure red6 and deltah will put the arsc guys right elsewhere. To the arsc guys, although we have been on different sides pretty much throughout, you have a good memberbase and good players. Work hard to go from here and just have fun. Good luck and fly safe, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Celeste Coeval	Posted - 2007.03.10 12:00:00 - [193] Can someone kill this thread plz? "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2007.03.11 09:24:00 - [194] this thread and the op are funny
Celeste Coeval	Posted - 2007.03.11 11:31:00 - [195] Originally by: RaWBLooD this thread and the op are funny your just testing me patience aren't you "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.11 11:45:00 - [196] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 11/03/2007 11:42:06 Originally by: Tessa Vaako Yawn, a bunch of stupid stuff...... Tessa Vaako CEO Ars ex Discordia. Very much ASCN-like in your insults. Try something original would you, it is getting kind of lame. And imho, the CEO (you) is a peon as well. Anyhow, he still won, you still lost. Accept the fact and move on. Don't take it out on the person who is calling a spade a spade. Come up with something original cause you are still coming across as a bunch of cry babies who lost their stuff.
Nohl Faugh a Ballagh	Posted - 2007.03.11 15:41:00 - [197] Originally by: Lord XSiV Anyhow, he still won, you still lost. Accept the fact and move on. You're using a word you don't quite understand. The "fact" in this is he stole some zeroes and ones. That he won? Merely an opinion. Cue, The More You Know. Quote: Don't take it out on the person who is calling a spade a spade. Oh, you poor, poor thing.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.11 15:56:00 - [198] Originally by: Nohl Originally by: Lord XSiV Anyhow, he still won, you still lost. Accept the fact and move on. You're using a word you don't quite understand. The "fact" in this is he stole some zeroes and ones. That he won? Merely an opinion. Cue, The More You Know. Quote: Don't take it out on the person who is calling a spade a spade. Oh, you poor, poor thing. Hey it was him getting his back up in a lurch, spreading his fan like a peacock and snorting like a swine....Well the digital equiavalent of. So Achilles won the first by getting the bigger number, and I won the second byt getting the most undue attention. Ultimately: Ars CEO = peon, but one peon to lead them all!
Nohl Faugh a Ballagh	Posted - 2007.03.11 18:25:00 - [199] Originally by: Lord XSiV So Achilles won the first by getting the bigger number, and I won the second byt getting the most undue attention. Again with the opinions. Achilles won a bit of ISK and lost all respect. It's a trade-off, but it certainly didn't go in his favor. You? Didn't win a thing. No more than I won by slapping your silly statements of fact down like a filthy Tijuana hooker.
Tessa Vaako Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.11 20:22:00 - [200] Originally by: DB Preacher Strange post. Complete fabrication from the ASCN/BoB relationship part. Well, whatever floats your boat, but I'm sure red6 and deltah will put the arsc guys right elsewhere. To the arsc guys, although we have been on different sides pretty much throughout, you have a good memberbase and good players. Work hard to go from here and just have fun. Good luck and fly safe, dbp We're still trying to figure out what's stranger, Achilles posts, or being noted and praised by a BoB CEO. Luv you guys. Well ok, not really, but I'll be nice. In the end the parties involved know the truth, and that is all that matters. -- In concordia, vires. Ex discordia, gloria.


Karass Sayfo Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.11 20:42:00 - [201] Thread has run its course and its degrading into flaming/personal attacks. Locked. _______ forum rules \| IGS rules \| CAOD rules \| [email protected]



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