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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3209
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Posted - 2016.06.23 12:03:10 -
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Soldarius wrote:Midori Tsu wrote:I really do hope the LP store is going to be the serpentis LP store, not concord or daily. I think we can expect Serpentis ships to continue being available from Serpentis and Angel LP stores only.
serpentis ships are not available in angel lp stores
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1264
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Posted - 2016.06.23 13:58:38 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Soldarius wrote:Midori Tsu wrote:I really do hope the LP store is going to be the serpentis LP store, not concord or daily. I think we can expect Serpentis ships to continue being available from Serpentis and Angel LP stores only. serpentis ships are not available in angel lp stores, however can ccp confirm this if angel lp stores will have the serpentis caps when released
Are the angel cartel and the serpentis friendly-ish to each other? I thought the angel boats only come from the angel LP stores and the serpentis ships from the serpentis LP store.
And no, I haven't been in either of them. I only was in a blood raider station once and in a True Sansha one.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3212
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Posted - 2016.06.23 14:04:50 -
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elitatwo wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Soldarius wrote:Midori Tsu wrote:I really do hope the LP store is going to be the serpentis LP store, not concord or daily. I think we can expect Serpentis ships to continue being available from Serpentis and Angel LP stores only. serpentis ships are not available in angel lp stores, however can ccp confirm this if angel lp stores will have the serpentis caps when released Are the angel cartel and the serpentis friendly-ish to each other? I thought the angel boats only come from the angel LP stores and the serpentis ships from the serpentis LP store. And no, I haven't been in either of them. I only was in a blood raider station once and in a True Sansha one.
well the Angels build the Serpentis ships and yes they are friendly (Serpentis pay Angels for protection). but currently angels do not have serpentis ships in lp store and vice versa.
Can imagine the capitals being a silly amount of lp to buy, Vindi =800k lp cant imagine how much a titan will cost (80mil lp??? lololol)
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.24 00:19:35 -
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Role Bonus: Can fit doomsday devices Can fit Jump Portal Generator Can fit Clone Vat Bay Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously 1000% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage
1000% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage....
1000% ?!??!??!! +ù6 Guns?? Oof
WTF? |
Bobb Bobbington
Bros Before Holes The Devils' Rejects
324
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Posted - 2016.06.24 00:50:09 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Role Bonus: Can fit doomsday devices Can fit Jump Portal Generator Can fit Clone Vat Bay Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously 1000% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage
1000% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage....
1000% ?!??!??!! +ù6 Guns?? Oof
WTF?
That is what allows titans to get dread-like damage bonuses without going into siege. I believe that normal titans get 900%.
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Cade Windstalker
449
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Posted - 2016.06.24 01:32:21 -
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Bobb Bobbington wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Role Bonus: Can fit doomsday devices Can fit Jump Portal Generator Can fit Clone Vat Bay Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously 1000% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage
1000% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage....
1000% ?!??!??!! +ù6 Guns?? Oof
WTF? That is what allows titans to get dread-like damage bonuses without going into siege. I believe that normal titans get 900%.
Yup, the Erebus gets 180% per Gallente Titan skill level. This thing gets that 1000% plus a 5% per level rate of fire bonus. |
viverxia
Serenity Prime The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2016.06.24 01:34:13 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:elitatwo wrote:Are we only getting these three or will there be a carrier to come later? Just these three.
This is kind of disappointing, Any call on the reason behind this? I was looking forward to seeing the Carrier :( |
Ben Ishikela
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Posted - 2016.06.24 09:22:56 -
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10% bonus to Stasis Webification Burst Projector effectivness
WOW!!
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Bobb Bobbington
Bros Before Holes The Devils' Rejects
324
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Posted - 2016.06.24 21:18:14 -
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Question to CCP:
Except for wormholes, what is the incentive to buy the faction dread that has to commit to a field without reps for 5 (10?) minutes when one could instead buy a regular supercarrier for the same price that has less of a chance of dieing?
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Cade Windstalker
452
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Posted - 2016.06.24 23:43:13 -
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Bobb Bobbington wrote:Question to CCP:
Except for wormholes, what is the incentive to buy the faction dread that has to commit to a field without reps for 5 (10?) minutes when one could instead buy a regular supercarrier for the same price that has less of a chance of dieing?
Pretty sure use-case is up to players to determine.
Someone, somewhere, will buy one of these things because it's just slightly better than a Moros. |
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Bobb Bobbington
Bros Before Holes The Devils' Rejects
324
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Posted - 2016.06.24 23:57:05 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Bobb Bobbington wrote:Question to CCP:
Except for wormholes, what is the incentive to buy the faction dread that has to commit to a field without reps for 5 (10?) minutes when one could instead buy a regular supercarrier for the same price that has less of a chance of dieing? Pretty sure use-case is up to players to determine. Someone, somewhere, will buy one of these things because it's just slightly better than a Moros.
Yea I'm sure that somewhere, people will use them simply because they can, and while players might find a role for them I'm more wondering what CCP actually intended them to be used for.
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Cade Windstalker
452
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Posted - 2016.06.25 00:15:41 -
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Bobb Bobbington wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Bobb Bobbington wrote:Question to CCP:
Except for wormholes, what is the incentive to buy the faction dread that has to commit to a field without reps for 5 (10?) minutes when one could instead buy a regular supercarrier for the same price that has less of a chance of dieing? Pretty sure use-case is up to players to determine. Someone, somewhere, will buy one of these things because it's just slightly better than a Moros. Yea I'm sure that somewhere, people will use them simply because they can, and while players might find a role for them I'm more wondering what CCP actually intended them to be used for.
CCP generally don't have a specific intent for something. They'll have an idea, like you or I do about them getting used in wormholes or other niche roles, but they mostly leave these things to the players to figure out, because we will inevitably come up with something silly and/or crazy just by sheer number of brains that CCP never would.
Why do you think CCP needs a specific, and from what you're saying rather widespread, use-case for a new ship? Especially one that costs billions of ISK. |
Bobb Bobbington
Bros Before Holes The Devils' Rejects
324
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Posted - 2016.06.25 01:44:51 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Bobb Bobbington wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Bobb Bobbington wrote:Question to CCP:
Except for wormholes, what is the incentive to buy the faction dread that has to commit to a field without reps for 5 (10?) minutes when one could instead buy a regular supercarrier for the same price that has less of a chance of dieing? Pretty sure use-case is up to players to determine. Someone, somewhere, will buy one of these things because it's just slightly better than a Moros. Yea I'm sure that somewhere, people will use them simply because they can, and while players might find a role for them I'm more wondering what CCP actually intended them to be used for. CCP generally don't have a specific intent for something. They'll have an idea, like you or I do about them getting used in wormholes or other niche roles, but they mostly leave these things to the players to figure out, because we will inevitably come up with something silly and/or crazy just by sheer number of brains that CCP never would. Why do you think CCP needs a specific, and from what you're saying rather widespread, use-case for a new ship? Especially one that costs billions of ISK.
No no you don't get what I mean. I don't mean a specific intention, I mean in what way are they designed to have enough benefits over their counterparts to justify their use in any situation except for fringe cases? CCP wouldn't create an underpowered ship just because they think it'd be "cool" and then hope that the players can figure out a reason or two to justify using it, so I'm curious in what way they intend there to be justifiable benefits over other ships.
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Cade Windstalker
452
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Posted - 2016.06.25 02:28:02 -
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Bobb Bobbington wrote:No no you don't get what I mean. I don't mean a specific intention, I mean in what way are they designed to have enough benefits over their counterparts to justify their use in any situation except for fringe cases? CCP wouldn't create an underpowered ship just because they think it'd be "cool" and then hope that the players can figure out a reason or two to justify using it, so I'm curious in what way they intend there to be justifiable benefits over other ships.
They absolutely have a benefit, it's just not a cost effective one, and cost effective is not something these are supposed to be *at all*.
Cost is not a balance parameter. Hasn't been since Titan proliferation started. |
Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2245
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Posted - 2016.06.27 09:06:32 -
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30 billion for this new dread?! That it way overpriced!
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Masterdant
Masterderizando
5
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Posted - 2016.06.27 14:23:09 -
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Masterdant wrote:You go really crazy with Mats needed. The Vehement Build Cost goes to 1,5 Normal MotherShip Build Costs, Vendetta goes to 1,5 of Titan and Vanquisher 4,5 times the cost of a Normal Titan. And I didnt consider ME of T1 Caps, the Special Mats "Serpentis Modified Capital Microprocessor", LP Cost and ISK Cost of the BPC. Can you confirm that those are not Final?
Sorry If I bump my own post, but is posible to have an answer on this?
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Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
1517
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Posted - 2016.06.27 14:29:42 -
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I could swear I remember seeing one of those pirate factions also selling the other's ships and BPCs. But my memory is ass. So I could be wrong. Easy enough to check on sisi.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1271
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Posted - 2016.06.27 14:41:39 -
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Lan Wang wrote:.... well the Angels build the Serpentis ships and yes they are friendly (Serpentis pay Angels for protection). but currently angels do not have serpentis ships in lp store and vice versa.
Can imagine the capitals being a silly amount of lp to buy, Vindi =800k lp cant imagine how much a titan will cost (80mil lp??? lololol)
Thank you, dear!
Well, they have more than a month to surprise us with Serpentis level 5 missions and a LP store price for them. Until then, you might get a copy of those, so go kill some Serpentis and angels as of tomorrow.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3243
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Posted - 2016.06.27 14:44:17 -
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elitatwo wrote:Lan Wang wrote:.... well the Angels build the Serpentis ships and yes they are friendly (Serpentis pay Angels for protection). but currently angels do not have serpentis ships in lp store and vice versa.
Can imagine the capitals being a silly amount of lp to buy, Vindi =800k lp cant imagine how much a titan will cost (80mil lp??? lololol) Thank you, dear! Well, they have more than a month to surprise us with Serpentis level 5 missions and a LP store price for them. Until then, you might get a copy of those, so go kill some Serpentis and angels as of tomorrow.
I dont kill angels or serpentis, rp and all that, allthough my recent surge of minmatar lvl 5's has tarnished my faction standings with them dont tease with the lvl 5's!
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Syri Taneka
Un4seen Development Sev3rance
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Posted - 2016.06.27 18:30:44 -
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Wickedc wrote:So +60 to warp core strength? Cause you get a +6 per level on the Gallente side, and the same bonus on the Minnie side per skill level as well... I mean, I get it. I really do. You're not suppose to have just a few people capable of holding this thing down, but dear Bob..
Gonna see that these are going to be OP as all get out.
The regular Titans are +50 at the high end. What's 10 more? Single HIC will give **** all either way = P |
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Muffinmixer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.27 18:51:48 -
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Will you implement an LP tax to make the BPCs easier to obtain? As in, not just a multi-month farming ordeal for a single individual pilot that has to make 10+ mil LP to afford the BPC?
Will you be seeding more L4 agents for the Serpentis as well? Currently, they only have three security L4 agents in the entire game, which is going to be a serious problem for anyone who wants to farm those upcoming Armor implants. This is at odds with other factions like the Guristas "god race" who has like 7 agents between two stations just 3 jumps from each other in Venal. Even the Angel Cartel has twice as many L4 agents in Phoenix, Fountain, than the Serpentis do, and that's supposed to be the Serpentis home constellation. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1271
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Posted - 2016.06.27 19:04:29 -
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Muffinmixer wrote:Will you implement an LP tax to make the BPCs easier to obtain? As in, not just a multi-month farming ordeal for a single individual pilot that has to make 10+ mil LP to afford the BPC?...
Nobody said that they will be easy to obtain.
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Cade Windstalker
460
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Posted - 2016.06.27 19:22:24 -
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elitatwo wrote:Muffinmixer wrote:Will you implement an LP tax to make the BPCs easier to obtain? As in, not just a multi-month farming ordeal for a single individual pilot that has to make 10+ mil LP to afford the BPC?... Nobody said that they will be easy to obtain.
(Warning, link goes to a video)
Actually CCP did, on the last episode of the o7 show and in the blog post for the upcoming Event.
The cost of these things isn't in the BPC, it's in all of the stuff you need to pile together to make one. |
Muffinmixer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.27 21:48:31 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:elitatwo wrote:Muffinmixer wrote:Will you implement an LP tax to make the BPCs easier to obtain? As in, not just a multi-month farming ordeal for a single individual pilot that has to make 10+ mil LP to afford the BPC?... Nobody said that they will be easy to obtain. (Warning, link goes to a video) Actually CCP did, on the last episode of the o7 show and in the blog post for the upcoming Event. The cost of these things isn't in the BPC, it's in all of the stuff you need to pile together to make one.
Why should I bother when I have tasty implants worth 2.3-2.5k isk per LP available on the store instead? Those always sell, and I can buy quite a few after an evening of running Anomic missions |
Cade Windstalker
460
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Posted - 2016.06.27 22:14:23 -
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Muffinmixer wrote:Why should I bother when I have tasty implants worth 2.3-2.5k isk per LP available on the store instead? Those always sell, and I can buy quite a few after an evening of running Anomic missions
I don't think I said anything about the ISK/LP value of the BPCs, or even that they'd be terribly expensive.
Given that they're going to be handing out a ton of these BPCs through the upcoming event I'm going to go out on a *really* short limb here and say that these Blueprints (at least the ones for the Dread) aren't going to be worth buying off the LP store for quite a while after release due to a glut of supply compared to fairly limited demand. |
Lt Shard
Team Pizza Good at this Game
102
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Posted - 2016.06.28 01:40:35 -
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Whats up with the production cost on the dreadnought?
30-40b? You could buy a super for that money and be ten times more effective. And its still outclassed by a nag or phoenix.
Consider 2 or 3 times the mats for a moros, please. |
Cade Windstalker
460
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Posted - 2016.06.28 14:51:30 -
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Lt Shard wrote:Whats up with the production cost on the dreadnought?
30-40b? You could buy a super for that money and be ten times more effective. And its still outclassed by a nag or phoenix.
Consider 2 or 3 times the mats for a moros, please.
These aren't intended to be cost-effective or in common use... |
Bobb Bobbington
Bros Before Holes The Devils' Rejects
324
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Posted - 2016.06.28 15:21:13 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Lt Shard wrote:Whats up with the production cost on the dreadnought?
30-40b? You could buy a super for that money and be ten times more effective. And its still outclassed by a nag or phoenix.
Consider 2 or 3 times the mats for a moros, please. These aren't intended to be cost-effective or in common use...
That's not an excuse though for frankly rediculous costs, thats like if CCP made a ship that had a really cool ship model but **** stats and then backed up the reason for making it with "We thought it's cool, it's not even intended for common use". There isn't a point to making something if you fully expect it to never have an "effective" (key word their) use.
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It has a 25m signature.
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Lt Shard
Team Pizza Good at this Game
102
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Posted - 2016.06.28 19:17:10 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:These aren't intended to be cost-effective or in common use...
Yeah, introducing ships no one will used because they cost far too much are are outright worse then current ships of its class is a good idea. |
Cade Windstalker
460
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Posted - 2016.06.28 19:37:20 -
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Bobb Bobbington wrote:That's not an excuse though for frankly rediculous costs, thats like if CCP made a ship that had a really cool ship model but **** stats and then backed up the reason for making it with "We thought it's cool, it's not even intended for common use". There isn't a point to making something if you fully expect it to never have an "effective" (key word their) use.
Cost is not a balance parameter. When CCP originally introduced Titans they figured there might be 3-4 of them in the game at one time at most. We can see how that worked out.
That's why I said these aren't cost-effective, not that they wouldn't be effective at all. If you bring an equal number of these ships vs an enemy fielding regular Caps you'll likely kick their teeth in.
Lt Shard wrote:Yeah, introducing ships no one will used because they cost far too much are are outright worse then current ships of its class is a good idea.
These ships are pretty much outright better than their Gallente counterparts so I'm really not sure what you're on about... |
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