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hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:25:00 - [1] Well says it all have seen and talked to a lot of peeps in various alliances it seems nearly every large 0.0 alliance houses at least 10% of its population is against the EULA farming outfits. Should we petition these characters if and when we find them what is CCP doing about this as 0.0 ISK farmers would make more than their empire mining counterparts, is this accepted as happening by CCP and what should a regular member do as far as reporting these discoveries of farmers in their local systems

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:29:00 - [2] In terms of EULA-violation, there's no difference if the violation occurs in 0.0 or in Empire, and such characters should be petitioned in the same way anyone in empire (macro-miners etc.) should be. As to what CCP is doing, it hasn't been their policy to announce it every time they do close accounts, but every now and then reports are posted by our GMs or developers, often as a newsitem or similar. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:32:00 - [3] 0.0??? err why not just get a few peeps together and do what people always do in 0.0?? OMGWTFPWNBBQ the suckers and THEN petition them Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:33:00 - [4] many thanks ISD having talked to a few peeps in empire channels and the help channel seems this is fairly widespread well i shall petition each and every case as it comes up
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:35:00 - [5] Originally by: 000Hunter000 0.0??? err why not just get a few peeps together and do what people always do in 0.0?? OMGWTFPWNBBQ the suckers and THEN petition them unfornatley some of these are light blue under a certain alliances rental agreement and therefore shooting them will get the real players in trouble. I wont name and shame them but a petition has been lodged if nothing is done next step is alliacne leadership will be notified if no action is taken then name and shame on COAD will occour
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:43:00 - [6] Edited by: Kate Nexus on 06/03/2007 12:41:50 Edited by: Kate Nexus on 06/03/2007 12:40:37 If they want to stop the problem they need to go after the higher-ups in 0.0 alliances that have arranged deals with EULA-breaking farming outfits. These alliances give them immunity in 0.0 space in exchange for a) EULA-violating ISK b) cash. it's corruption A dev was in BoB, more devs might be also.. it can't be that hard to investigate, then again BoB was allowed to keep the forged BPOs for a long time when CCP knew about it, so maybe this is all going on with official approval? hm why weren't the BPOs removed anyways? Forgive me for getting off topic I just cant help but wonder why BoB has immunity from investigation. They can check chat logs, they had a dev with access to BoB private forums (maybe more) because he was in BoB and generating BPOs for them. They have the means to find out exactly what goes on. Maybe they already know???
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:48:00 - [7] Originally by: hotgirl933 unfornatley some of these are light blue under a certain alliances rental agreement and therefore shooting them will get the real players in trouble. I wont name and shame them but a petition has been lodged if nothing is done next step is alliacne leadership will be notified if no action is taken then name and shame on COAD will occour If you're thinking the same people I am then Im afraid they wont be touched, at least not if you try to expose them on the official forums. The "mystery people" we will call them have a "way" with getting things in their favor (no spies in their outfits, ever wonder why). A whistleblower was banned, so if you try to blow a whistle on this outfit of players probably you would be banned also. They SEEM to have the means to cheat in the worst way
Barbarellas Daughter	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:55:00 - [8] could someone please explain "EULA farming outfits" or give me a link? thx
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:04:00 - [9] well i wont take this any further. Tho i shall be interested to see how things pan out
Sash Windu Gallente The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov In terms of EULA-violation, there's no difference if the violation occurs in 0.0 or in Empire ROTFLMAO Uh, actions speak louder than words, mate.

Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:08:00 - [11] Originally by: hotgirl933 well i wont take this any further. Tho i shall be interested to see how things pan out They probably won't if you're aiming for the "mystery people" who make the deals with farmer. Whistles get banned so it all stays under the carpet, if you get my driftm
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter could someone please explain "EULA farming outfits" or give me a link? thx EULA breaking as in end user licensing agreement - the terms and conditiosn when u install eve that screen comes up if u read it carefully it sets out eves rules regulations and what can get u banned ( part of that is use of macros and ISK for RL $$$ sales) and all activitries linked to it
Jobby Minmatar Forty Two	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:20:00 - [13] /me goes to look up "complicant"
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Kate Nexus Originally by: hotgirl933 well i wont take this any further. Tho i shall be interested to see how things pan out They probably won't if you're aiming for the "mystery people" who make the deals with farmer. Whistles get banned so it all stays under the carpet, if you get my driftm Wow, dunno what to say about that really I have seen farmer's all over eve in pretty much every alliance so it's not like it's a new thing. there's one alliance which is probably the most famous for farming in the game but i doubt they will get a mention in your crusade of righteousnous. BoB vs the coalition of family value's
nim TsuNim Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Jobby /me goes to look up "complicant" I think they were in Blade Runner.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:43:00 - [16] I can't speak for anyone but FLA, but if you suspect farmers are flying under our banner, let us know and we'll BBQ them ourselves. Isk farming ftl. --------
Beef Hardslab The 5 Amigo's LLC.	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:55:00 - [17] I've never seen or heard of an alliance that wants isk farmers about. I'm sure it happens, but for most alliances, isk farmers get dragged into the street and shot in the head... repeatedly. Think about it - if they are farming isk in your systems, under your banner, not only are they driving inflation in your area, but they are also doing so at YOUR expense. They are killing YOUR rats, getting YOUR faction spawns, and ruining YOUR reputation when they are discovered. The only farmer I've seen in a while is Daisypk, and we drove her out of our area months ago. She's still in game though, so obviously someone has let her in to their corp/alliance. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
Loyal Servant Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:01:00 - [18] I know for a fact that bob had farmers in delve. I kill macros/farmers for fun.. I kinda like it :) In my travels to find bobbits to kill, I found farmers. I add farmers to my buddylist, so they show up in local now with green dots.... Imagine my suprise when I jump into a system and see green dots? and 10 seconds later they all drop out of game and local... Farmers...... Next incident.. I was running around in red alliance space ganking one here and there... and I ran into one of my most favored farmer groups, flying under the banner of red alliance. This farmer group is run by a character I will not mention here on the forums, but he used to live in/around tash-murkon prime with his band of merry covetors. When they logged they were in apocs/itty V's (as one would expect) for the 30 or so seconds before disappearing. Again, logged out within 10 seconds of entering local. So, there is most likely still farmers in bob, and the incident with the last ones up in the new regions was only about 3 weeks ago. The group I saw in delve was about 2, maybe 3 months ago. Of course BOB will deny it, and I am sure red alliance will too. What I wonder, to play devil's advocate - if they are aware that they are farmers? BOB had to know, red alliance probably doesn't - they take anyone in.... Just my experiences with this :) TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
Izzy Pol	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov In terms of EULA-violation, there's no difference if the violation occurs in 0.0 or in Empire, and such characters should be petitioned in the same way anyone in empire (macro-miners etc.) should be. As to what CCP is doing, it hasn't been their policy to announce it every time they do close accounts, but every now and then reports are posted by our GMs or developers, often as a newsitem or similar. Perhaps it's time for another announcement to restore a little faith. These boards have been rife with people talking about farmers in Loes in particular. The petition button is worn out yet they still labour on 23/7. I personally have lost faith in the fight against these people and it makes me sad. Try a name and shame in CAOD and it just gets locked saying "submit a petition"....so we can ignore it.
Loyal Servant Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:03:00 - [20] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Kate Nexus Originally by: hotgirl933 well i wont take this any further. Tho i shall be interested to see how things pan out They probably won't if you're aiming for the "mystery people" who make the deals with farmer. Whistles get banned so it all stays under the carpet, if you get my driftm Wow, dunno what to say about that really I have seen farmer's all over eve in pretty much every alliance so it's not like it's a new thing. there's one alliance which is probably the most famous for farming in the game but i doubt they will get a mention in your crusade of righteousnous. Who? I hunt them for fun, but since I don't live in stain anymore I cannot come over to delve to kill yours. TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!

Felinuszzz Caldari Sad Panda Ltd.	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:12:00 - [21] This needs to be adressed. Distney Corss Amsasu Cross Blaste Corss Fraste Corss Gating Corss Check out those characters in game. All created within 10 minutes of each other. They all fly cookie cutter PVE Dominix setups, and Log/SS+cloak as soon as a hostile enters local. Speaking with them in Local, they told us that they are Chinese. I thought China had its own Eve server? They all used to farm in Mermaid, LITERALLY 23/7, under the banner of Xelass Alliance (L7-APB, ZUE-, ZTS, etc.). One time, we tried to engage them en masse, BoB showed up and assisted them. Recently, I saw a few of them in Delve, they're in Aftermath Alliance now. Why do Alliances allow farmers in? ---------
Loyal Servant Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Felinuszzz Why do Alliances allow farmers in? I was told this in confidence, but the reason is usually for isk/materials. The scheme I was told about was simply pay 2 billion isk a month for the use of a constellation, payable to the executor corp of the alliance that allowed this. This was in the case of farmers that run plexes or belts. In the case of mining, the deal was for a percentage of minerals + isk. We all know that space is rented, and they are usually bound to the same terms as say, D-L for renting that dead-end system with an outpost from BOB. That particular system had literally no rocks in it because it gets mined dry, probably to pay their rent. Farmers simply rent the space, and since it is making them isk and helping them fund wars.... and it's for space they probably don't use anyhow, why not make money on it? Problem is that renting space should probably be legal, but their should be an in-game method of managing it. TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
Okkie2	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Loyal Servant The group I saw in delve was about 2, maybe 3 months ago. Of course BOB will deny it, and I am sure red alliance will too. What I wonder, to play devil's advocate - if they are aware that they are farmers? BOB had to know, red alliance probably doesn't - they take anyone in.... Just my experiences with this :) just a quick note, you are allowed to farm as long as there's a real person behind the controls. So CCP will do nothing against a group of 10 miners as long as they don't use macros and there's somebody behind the controls. So 1 person can control those 10 accounts and just log them all off the second somebody enters local. IMHO this is not ok, but on the other hand, where do you draw the line (how many people are running 2 accounts at the same time for missions/mining etc) Furthermore, every alliance i've seen has farmers. Some alliances are actively trying to stop them, and some aren't. I just find it strange people start yelling about farmers in BoB while there are a dozen times more of these guys in e.g. RA even before BoB was born.
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:30:00 - [24] Petition under I assume EULA & TOS (made that once for a spammer and it seems to be the right mailbox). Do that -right now-. The problem with those filthy farmers is that with those people not able to get their isk themselves... They can refund their account cost in a couple of transactions :? . ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Felinuszzz This needs to be adressed. Distney Corss Amsasu Cross Blaste Corss Fraste Corss Gating Corss Check out those characters in game. All created within 10 minutes of each other. They all fly cookie cutter PVE Dominix setups, and Log/SS+cloak as soon as a hostile enters local. Speaking with them in Local, they told us that they are Chinese. I thought China had its own Eve server? They all used to farm in Mermaid, LITERALLY 23/7, under the banner of Xelass Alliance (L7-APB, ZUE-, ZTS, etc.). One time, we tried to engage them en masse, BoB showed up and assisted them. Recently, I saw a few of them in Delve, they're in Aftermath Alliance now. Why do Alliances allow farmers in? not sure, but this could still be a dorm of 8-in-a-room, flying around with ships "worth" 6 months salary. and we all know how well a pve fitting holds up against a pvp specialist... fishy? maybe and even if cloaks were to change and show up on scanner/probes, they will just move around SSs for 15 minutes. anyway, disturbing them already does damage - just keep going ^^
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:07:00 - [26] Farming.... what is farming? Mining the hell out of a system, ratting like a madman, making tons of money? Is that what farming is? Are people mad at those 'farmers' because they make billions of isk in a short time? Well, all the above is allowed. And logging out at the first sign of danger is allowed also. If a known pvp person jumps into the system, why not log out then if you are in mining ships? Sure, it is bad game style, but not at all forbidden! If suddenly 10th of people appear in local to kill your expensive ships, why not log out? Bad style, but so what? Yes, yes. It is always easy to point at the other side and yell. But are you sure that it is illegal what those people are doing, for example because they use some macros? If they just play 18 hours per day and do the same stuff all over again, so what? Are you mad at them because they don't do pvp but mine/rat/mission? As long as they use legal ways only no one has the slightest right to complain about those people. And don't tell me that them logging off as soon as enemy people appear in local is a proof for being/using a macro.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:13:00 - [27] Edited by: Rells on 06/03/2007 16:10:29 I am a 0.0 isk farmer. I farm isk and complexes and go buy stuff. Its fun. I think what the OP means is that there are some 0.0 areas with Macrominers? If so then those macrominers will be handled in the same way as other macrominers in the game by CCP. However macromining in 0.0 is a tad stupid. Macromining is unattended use of a program to mine. The reality is that you could make far more with far less risk in empire. In 0.0 people will just come across them and blow them up. Miners in 0.0 must be far more aware of what is going on around them. You are probably confusing them because many people in 00 have multiple accounts and may be mining wiht one account and running protection or pvp with another account concurrently and there is nothing illegal in that. As for being "blue", that is up to the individual alliance. I know that Agony Empire solves this problem by not having ANYONE set to blue. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Beef Hardslab The 5 Amigo's LLC.	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Gnulpie Farming.... what is farming? Mining the hell out of a system, ratting like a madman, making tons of money? Is that what farming is? Are people mad at those 'farmers' because they make billions of isk in a short time? How about the characters that rat 23/7, every day for weeks on end, and log anytime someone enters local? They are either a) account sharing or b) using macros. There is no other explanation. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Gnulpie Farming.... what is farming? Mining the hell out of a system, ratting like a madman, making tons of money? Is that what farming is? Are people mad at those 'farmers' because they make billions of isk in a short time? Well, all the above is allowed. And logging out at the first sign of danger is allowed also. If a known pvp person jumps into the system, why not log out then if you are in mining ships? Sure, it is bad game style, but not at all forbidden! If suddenly 10th of people appear in local to kill your expensive ships, why not log out? Bad style, but so what? Yes, yes. It is always easy to point at the other side and yell. But are you sure that it is illegal what those people are doing, for example because they use some macros? If they just play 18 hours per day and do the same stuff all over again, so what? Are you mad at them because they don't do pvp but mine/rat/mission? As long as they use legal ways only no one has the slightest right to complain about those people. And don't tell me that them logging off as soon as enemy people appear in local is a proof for being/using a macro. I am pretty sure that the 'farming' in question here is with the intent to sell the ISK for real money. Farming for the purpose of funding in-game activitys is one thing, farming to sell that ISK to other players for RL money is another. -=^=-
Loyal Servant Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Billy Sastard I am pretty sure that the 'farming' in question here is with the intent to sell the ISK for real money. Farming for the purpose of funding in-game activitys is one thing, farming to sell that ISK to other players for RL money is another. When I talk about farmers, this is exactly what I mean - selling the isk for cash. You all know that when people STOP buying isk and items on ebay that the farmers will disappear? They are just supplying all the morons that need those faction MWDs for their nanophoons and nanodomis. Buy them for ISK not CASH.... TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!



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