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CCP Affinity C C P C C P Alliance 1808	Posted - 2016.07.06 18:15:07 - [1] - Quote Greeting Spacefriends, IGÇÖm here to update you on the Scope NetworkGÇÖs Shadow of the Serpent event and how itGÇÖs going so far. First I would like to mention that we really appreciate all the feedback we have received surrounding the event. We really value the time you take to talk about the events and we are listening and will be using the feedback to influence the changes we would like to make for the next event. We noticed a recurring critique was the lack of loot in the sites. While there are not many changes we can make to this event as a lot of you have already earned the containers (it would be unfair on those who have already earned a containers to now change the contents), we have been able to make a small adjustment by adding some loot to the battlecruiser NPCs that visit all the event sites. We do hope it shows that we are paying attention to your concerns and will be taking bigger steps to resolve them for next time, as our metrics clearly show the demand for events like these. I would also like to congratulate Kirev, who on July 2nd became the first capsuleer to own a Vehement BPC by unlocking the gold container via Scope Network Challenges. As more of you earn the gold container, donGÇÖt forget you can still continue to earn points. Five single-run Vendetta BPCs and five single-run Vanquisher BPCs will be available through the Shadow of the Serpent event. The top 5 highest scoring characters during the event will receive Vanquisher BPCs and characters placing 6-10 will receive Vendetta BPCs. The Scope Network will count the points on August 9th and announce the winners, but as of today the top 10 capsuleers with the most points are, in order: BUISNESSWOMAN Kamamdzava Tekerava Alen Asques DaOpa Muravey Virpio Zeraph Dregamon T4T4TOS DimS KosS Phytor Breaking Fast You have until August 9th to earn your place in the top 10 capsuleers list! GÖÑ CCP Affinity GÖÑ Follow me on Twitter Game Designer for EVE Online Team Astro Sparkle

Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 3286	Posted - 2016.07.06 18:23:07 - [2] - Quote Serpentis lives matter FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Serenol Marwysgar Imperial Combat Engineers Empire of Arcadia 1	Posted - 2016.07.06 18:23:54 - [3] - Quote I've been disappointed of the couple dozen missions I've completed, I've not gotten any mining missions since the event first went live. The Serpentis Shipyard one seems to be on infinite loop. Also be nice if missions didn't expire once started. Hate to lose progress because RL keeps me from logging in.
StarLite Spectre Fleet Corporation Spectre Fleet Alliance 10	Posted - 2016.07.06 18:28:53 - [4] - Quote What kind of loot are we talking about for the BC NPC's? Is it the standard Serpentis BC loot table or specific event rewards?
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box Snuffed Out 455	Posted - 2016.07.06 18:49:48 - [5] - Quote I killed a whole site's worth of BCs and didn't see a single one drop loot.
Sarmatiko 1709	Posted - 2016.07.06 19:06:38 - [6] - Quote CCP Affinity, can you comment on unusually high rates for Drifter related challenges assignment? For the past week since the beginning of this event I got 2 Drifter events simultaneously (Kill 10 and 50 Drifters) and this happened twice. It's not just me - you probably already seen those rant Reddit threads with 3 Drifter challenges. Any quick fixes incoming (at least make all Drifter events 24h) or we have to do something else instead of participating in the event? Also there should be option to forcefully cancel at least one challenge per day (hint: you can even charge ISK\AUR for additional cancellations)
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 448	Posted - 2016.07.06 19:31:51 - [7] - Quote CCP Affinity can you comment on why I'm in 6th place I thought there were way more autists playing this game :(
DaOpa Static Corp 55	Posted - 2016.07.06 20:18:12 - [8] - Quote Oh cool, I made it on the list woot! LP Stores DB - WH List / Systems - Live Streamer
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 7159	Posted - 2016.07.06 20:31:05 - [9] - Quote Removed an off topic post. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 448	Posted - 2016.07.06 20:41:51 - [10] - Quote Damn Dorrim, I was completely serious and Zeraph Dregamon is my alt

Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 3374	Posted - 2016.07.06 21:50:51 - [11] - Quote Very much appreciated. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Blanche Philbert Dave's Tax Shelter Federal United Battalion of Armed Renegades 0	Posted - 2016.07.06 23:24:28 - [12] - Quote Serenol Marwysgar wrote: I've been disappointed that of the couple dozen missions I've completed, I've not gotten any mining missions since the event first went live. The Serpentis Shipyard one seems to be on infinite loop. Also be nice if missions didn't expire once started. Hate to lose progress because RL keeps me from logging in. Or alternatively, I also had the thought that a progressive system might work better for those with intermittent play and won't penalize someone who grinds missions out - progressive rewards. If a mission is clear 5 Serp Shipyards for 500 points, each site is 100 points. If I complete 3/5, it'd be nice to get 300 when the new mission resets. If I'm lucky I get an hour or two to play and it's not a lot of time for the reward thresholds. I agree with you you on that score.... Tried to do few when I could get time but didn't make any points..... So gave up I sort of did a few more but it was for the bounty only.... I hope they can change that for next time
Circumstantial Evidence 345	Posted - 2016.07.06 23:31:18 - [13] - Quote Awesome news, an answer to my plea. Thanks for adding to the event while it's in progress, now I'll check it out. Begin treasure hunt!
nezroy Nice Clan 28	Posted - 2016.07.07 08:41:53 - [14] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: CCP Affinity, can you comment on unusually high rates for Drifter related challenges assignment? What's to comment? It's not unusual in the slightest. People do the challenges they can do until they hit a Drifter one. Then they leave it, and continue to do the other challenges they can do, until they hit another Drifter one. Rinse repeat until all you have is shipyards. I mean, it's annoying sure, and the suggestion to let folks forcibly cancel a challenge once every 24hr or something is certainly a useful idea. But there's nothing spooky going on here and nothing statistically off about the # of Drifter challenges received, it's just the only one that bottlenecks you so of course you are eventually stuck with all of them clogging your queue.

CCP Affinity C C P C C P Alliance 1817	Posted - 2016.07.07 08:48:25 - [15] - Quote StarLite wrote: What kind of loot are we talking about for the BC NPC's? Is it the standard Serpentis BC loot table or specific event rewards? This will be standard NPC loot, not event specific this time around. Definitely something we will action for next event! GÖÑ CCP Affinity GÖÑ Follow me on Twitter Game Designer for EVE Online Team Astro Sparkle


CCP Affinity C C P C C P Alliance 1817	Posted - 2016.07.07 08:48:59 - [16] - Quote Grarr Dexx wrote: I killed a whole site's worth of BCs and didn't see a single one drop loot. The change will ship today, so after downtime you should start to see loot GÖÑ CCP Affinity GÖÑ Follow me on Twitter Game Designer for EVE Online Team Astro Sparkle


CCP Affinity C C P C C P Alliance 1817	Posted - 2016.07.07 08:51:54 - [17] - Quote Serenol Marwysgar wrote: I've been disappointed that of the couple dozen missions I've completed, I've not gotten any mining missions since the event first went live. The Serpentis Shipyard one seems to be on infinite loop. Also be nice if missions didn't expire once started. Hate to lose progress because RL keeps me from logging in. Or alternatively, I also had the thought that a progressive system might work better for those with intermittent play and won't penalize someone who grinds missions out - progressive rewards. If a mission is clear 5 Serp Shipyards for 500 points, each site is 100 points. If I complete 3/5, it'd be nice to get 300 when the new mission resets. If I'm lucky I get an hour or two to play and it's not a lot of time for the reward thresholds. We decided to have the Serpentis shipyard one always available as a challenge so you could always guarantee points from that site. I would love to hear your feedback on that. I agree on the expiry, ideally we would have a way to remove a certain number of challenges per day that you did not want to participate in and the others would remain. This time around, we decided to have the 3 day expiry so no one would be left in a state where they had only challenges they didn't wish to complete or had tried and were unable to do. You're right, we definitely need to reconsider the multiple sites per reward. Thank you for your feedback, it's much appreciated. GÖÑ CCP Affinity GÖÑ Follow me on Twitter Game Designer for EVE Online Team Astro Sparkle


CCP Affinity C C P C C P Alliance 1817	Posted - 2016.07.07 08:52:21 - [18] - Quote DaOpa wrote: Oh cool, I made it on the list woot! Congrats!! :) GÖÑ CCP Affinity GÖÑ Follow me on Twitter Game Designer for EVE Online Team Astro Sparkle


CCP Affinity C C P C C P Alliance 1817	Posted - 2016.07.07 08:54:46 - [19] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: CCP Affinity, can you comment on unusually high rates for Drifter related challenges assignment? For the past week since the beginning of this event I got 2 Drifter events simultaneously (Kill 10 and 50 Drifters) and this happened twice. It's not just me - you probably already seen those rant Reddit threads with 3 Drifter challenges. Any quick fixes incoming (at least make all Drifter events 24h) or we have to do something else instead of participating in the event? Also there should be option to forcefully cancel at least one challenge per day (hint: you can even charge ISK\AUR for additional cancellations) I agree, we should have provided an option to cancel challenges you do not wish to complete. The challenge allocation is entirely random, although I can understand how it would feel very frustrating to end up in a position where you have 3 challenges you do not wish to complete and your only option is to do them anyway or wait out the timer. Unfortunately, for this event, there will be no quick fix for this. However, I am currently working on a redesign and this is one of the big issues I will be addressing for the next event. GÖÑ CCP Affinity GÖÑ Follow me on Twitter Game Designer for EVE Online Team Astro Sparkle

Sarmatiko 1712	Posted - 2016.07.07 10:38:56 - [20] - Quote CCP Affinity wrote: I agree, we should have provided an option to cancel challenges you do not wish to complete. The challenge allocation is entirely random, although I can understand how it would feel very frustrating to end up in a position where you have 3 challenges you do not wish to complete and your only option is to do them anyway or wait out the timer. Unfortunately, for this event, there will be no quick fix for this. However, I am currently working on a redesign and this is one of the big issues I will be addressing for the next event. Thank you for answer. Sadly you completely avoided Drifter question. Maybe you could give some practical advices about Drifter killing, especially for EVE newbros? How one could kill Drifter solo, let's say in T1 cruiser/BC (something PVE designer would expect new player will use in this event)? Or it was designed specifically as suicide bait for unexperienced players?

Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 3289	Posted - 2016.07.07 10:46:33 - [21] - Quote so if you kill a drifter in this event does that mean they will follow you around like the ai has done? do these events also affect standings whith the pirates? FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Edward Olmops Gunboat Commando 340	Posted - 2016.07.07 10:56:51 - [22] - Quote CCP Affinity wrote: Serenol Marwysgar wrote: I've been disappointed that of the couple dozen missions I've completed, I've not gotten any mining missions since the event first went live. The Serpentis Shipyard one seems to be on infinite loop. Also be nice if missions didn't expire once started. Hate to lose progress because RL keeps me from logging in. Or alternatively, I also had the thought that a progressive system might work better for those with intermittent play and won't penalize someone who grinds missions out - progressive rewards. If a mission is clear 5 Serp Shipyards for 500 points, each site is 100 points. If I complete 3/5, it'd be nice to get 300 when the new mission resets. If I'm lucky I get an hour or two to play and it's not a lot of time for the reward thresholds. We decided to have the Serpentis shipyard one always available as a challenge so you could always guarantee points from that site. I would love to hear your feedback on that. I feel we don't get as much fun out of the event as you put effort into it. The current construction leads to endless grinding of Shipyards for various reasons: - the mission is always available and guarantees points. - missions for the other event sites are much rarer PLUS you don't get them because after a few missions all other 3 mission slots will be blocked by "I don't want to do this"-missions. - it's the only event mission I have seen that has loot - it can be blitzed and thus has the highest points/hour - since everyone else is also running Shipyards, there is a fair chance that warping into a site will complete it even faster just because someone else already did half the work - it is among the simplest missions. Some missions require you to change ships. To do something in a frigate, to mine or to scan requires to head back to base. This GREATLY reduces points/hour. I once tried to complete 5 DED sites.... took hours to find them. I don't even want to get started about completing an incursion. Variety is great. Nudging people to try something new because it pops up in the Scope Network is a great idea. But here it utterly fails. If I head out with the goal of finding out whats in the precious boxes, I will always and ultimatively maximize reward points per hour. Period. We are talking about 30-50 hours to complete the task and get the gold container, so everything inefficient hast be ignored (I cant play 24-7), despite it might have been a new and fun challenge. So if you want to promote Mining/Drifter kills/DED sites/incursions, the reward points/hour should be HIGHER or at least in the same ballpark as for grinding Shipyards. And that is including reshipping and preparations. Which they are not atm. Scanning and running 5 DED sites took me like 2 hours and yielded 500 reward points whereas Shipyards easily yield >1000 reward points per hour. This is why the event consists almost entirely of doings hundreds of Shipyards... which makes it unnecessarily boring and wastes a lot of potential (since you have designed a lot of different sites and tasks). We just do not get to play the other sites properly. Not sure whether this is something that can be fixed easily, but one idea would be to change the "permanent" quest every week or so. This could even be related to a storyline of the event
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3373	Posted - 2016.07.07 11:21:10 - [23] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: Maybe you could give some practical advices about Drifter killing, especially for EVE newbros? How one could kill Drifter solo, let's say in T1 cruiser/BC (something PVE designer would expect new player will use in this event)? Or it was designed specifically as suicide bait for unexperienced players? New players don't solo kill a Drifter. Experienced players have the choice between a super tanked BS, there are a number of marauder fits, and a rattlesnake & Navy Scorpian fit that can solo drifters, or use a T1 frigate to strip the overshield, then whatever you want to kill the drifter after it's used it's doomsday on the T1 frigate. If you have friends prepared to help you finish the challenge it becomes easier since you get T1 logi frigs to support you also. While I haven't been doing the challenges, the fact only the 'owning' player gets credit for the kill seems a problem as it runs counter to EVE's normal philosophy of encouraging group play where possible.
Mellisa Cameltoe Ubiquitous Hurt The WeHurt Initiative 8	Posted - 2016.07.07 11:42:47 - [24] - Quote Love the event to bad that 90% of the time i have missions like kill 50/10/5 drifter battleships. The only way to actualy make it is to farm like a maniac the serpentis shipyards sites.
Circumstantial Evidence 347	Posted - 2016.07.07 12:41:01 - [25] - Quote CCP Affinity wrote: StarLite wrote: What kind of loot are we talking about for the BC NPC's? Is it the standard Serpentis BC loot table or specific event rewards? This will be standard NPC loot, not event specific this time around. Definitely something we will action for next event! Um... standard NPC loot, NO chance for Serpentis or Angel faction modules? If so, this sounds suspiciously underwhelming, and not the treasure hunt I was hoping for. I don't expect faction modules to drop every time, but we need to have a chance to see an Angel / Serpentis faction commander NPC, that type of loot chance, to help drive interest on a per-site basis.
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 448	Posted - 2016.07.07 12:45:24 - [26] - Quote Circumstantial Evidence wrote: CCP Affinity wrote: StarLite wrote: What kind of loot are we talking about for the BC NPC's? Is it the standard Serpentis BC loot table or specific event rewards? This will be standard NPC loot, not event specific this time around. Definitely something we will action for next event! Um... standard NPC loot, NO chance for Serpentis or Angel faction modules? If so, this sounds suspiciously underwhelming, and not the treasure hunt I was hoping for. I don't expect faction modules to drop every time, but we need to have a chance to see an Angel / Serpentis faction commander NPC, that type of loot chance, to help drive interest on a per-site basis. it's a completely pointless change, but hey maybe next event will be better
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 3289	Posted - 2016.07.07 12:45:25 - [27] - Quote Circumstantial Evidence wrote: CCP Affinity wrote: StarLite wrote: What kind of loot are we talking about for the BC NPC's? Is it the standard Serpentis BC loot table or specific event rewards? This will be standard NPC loot, not event specific this time around. Definitely something we will action for next event! Um... standard NPC loot, NO chance for Serpentis or Angel faction modules? If so, this sounds suspiciously underwhelming, and not the treasure hunt I was hoping for. I don't expect faction modules to drop every time, but we need to have a chance to see an Angel / Serpentis faction commander NPC, that type of loot chance, to help drive interest on a per-site basis. why do you NEED to have a faction commander? FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 449	Posted - 2016.07.07 13:26:21 - [28] - Quote can't get hard without one, duh
Frostys Virpio Yet another corpdot. 2960	Posted - 2016.07.07 13:26:51 - [29] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Circumstantial Evidence wrote: CCP Affinity wrote: StarLite wrote: What kind of loot are we talking about for the BC NPC's? Is it the standard Serpentis BC loot table or specific event rewards? This will be standard NPC loot, not event specific this time around. Definitely something we will action for next event! Um... standard NPC loot, NO chance for Serpentis or Angel faction modules? If so, this sounds suspiciously underwhelming, and not the treasure hunt I was hoping for. I don't expect faction modules to drop every time, but we need to have a chance to see an Angel / Serpentis faction commander NPC, that type of loot chance, to help drive interest on a per-site basis. why do you NEED to have a faction commander? Because without PHAT L00T, it's obviously not worth his time running.
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 449	Posted - 2016.07.07 13:28:25 - [30] - Quote honestly all of those sites should have a small chance of spawning a faction npc, just like asteroid belts do, then there would actually be a reason to do them even without a quest active



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