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CombatMiner	Posted - 2007.03.07 04:56:00 - [1] Just a quick question, not sure if this is the right channel, but if you're a tackler, say in a frig, and you're scrambling/nossing/shooting/webbing a larger ship (that can fit medium/heavy nos) is there any way to counter your cap getting sucked dry and not being able to run anything? I have to orbit quite close as my guns dont hit out of range of their nos, and if im nossed im dead. So what do you guys usually do? Thanks for the advice
Samirol Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:14:00 - [2] cap injectors i have started using cap injectors on tackler ships so i can actually mwd out of range on a quick burst http://www.iknowderek.com/
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:18:00 - [3] CAP-booster, ECM, Damps, setup for another range
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:28:00 - [4] Cap Injectors on anything above the size of a BC Ussualy one counter NOS on cruisers
t72Buttz	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:13:00 - [5] Gyrostabilizer II's
Johnny Gurkha Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:46:00 - [6] If you can afford it tackle in a Destroyer with 2 or 3 NOS and a damper
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:56:00 - [7] Originally by: t72Buttz Gyrostabilizer II's I think Samirol needs to get a gyrostabilizer for his sig...
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:12:00 - [8] Orbit out of web range and use the scrambler, orbit out of NOS range, aproach and get closer the target, cap injectors (if the circunstance allows it), setup for distance aswell. It really depends if your in a large or small gang, how many other tacklers there are. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Ginger Magician Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:15:00 - [9] Basically u cant.Nos is probably the most overpowered weapon in the game and I doubt u will find many bs who dont fit a nos these days.It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig.U could try using a tech 2 disruptor and trying to orbit at 24km.If u do that only a heavy diminishing best type nos will be in range to nos u.
Ratey	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:26:00 - [10] Edited by: Ratey on 07/03/2007 11:22:47 good and very helpful info from Ginger, thanks. The really expensive option is the Domination 30 km scram. with signal amplifier and max skills, I can just barely stay out of heavy nos range in the claw inty, then if it's a faction heavy nos, then prolly not. A speed rigged Crow with Domination 30 km scram? The mentioned desy, fast interdictor is another option.
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:28:00 - [11] Nos can only truly be countered by an equal of larger amount of nos. I will prove this with my mathskills. Observe. NOS < MANY NOS. Im awsome. _________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Jamius	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:30:00 - [12] Most of the suggestions here are valid but I'll add if you expect to succesfully tackle a BS with 1 frig sized ship then your likely to fail. The way it should be. For BC's and Cruisers, more change of success due to smaller NOS sizes but good chance you'll still fail. At best, against BS in a frig solo, expect to get 1 cycle of your scrambler off and maybe manage to escape alive - hopefully in time for your bigger friends to come and blow your opponent up.
Redback911	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:35:00 - [13] Cap Injector + mad DPS usually puts domis into structure faster than you can say 'ransom'. Worked the first 9 times anyways, not quite sure what happened the 10th :-( (RIP Baddun)
Akehno VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Johnny Gurkha If you can afford it tackle in a Destroyer with 2 or 3 NOS and a damper OMG LOL !!! Johnny u're the best ever man !!! gogo tackle a Pest or a Blasterthron with a cormorant or a trasher :p * Love you * --------------- - " Hi sir , please wire me 10M and you free" / " You m*** f* , b , I f*** your mom !!!" / " Oki fly safe " (Your security status have been adjusted^^)
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:37:00 - [15] If you use Minnie Guns, and a passive tank, you will be NOS-Proof. -- to counter a nanoship, dont leave home without a Scimitar. join us today!
Baudolino Gallente Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:42:00 - [16] IF you are tackling in frig and pinning down a BS that happens to be nossing you- you will not need any counter if your ship is fitted and you have at least half ass skills. Cycle time of heavy nos is 12 sec. Frig will easilly maintain cap recharge of 3-6 pr sec depending on whether you are fitting small nos and/or cap power relay. That give you 36-72 cap recharge during the nos cycle time. enough to maintain your position. Against dual heavy nos, run intermittantly you`ll need at least 6+ cap pr sec to tackle, but should still be able to maintain position. there are more ways, but if you want to know them: join a proper pvp corp I`m sick and ***** tired of people ***ing about nos. Solo or gangwise- a good player will overcome. If you get killed by a gang using tons of nos- it`s only a quicker way to die, not the reason. Pick a fight you can win or play monopoly with your little sister..
FooB2 Caldari Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:46:00 - [17] GINGER IS POSTING CONSTRUCTIVLEY AGAIN. STOPITSTOPITSTOPITSTOPITSTOPITSTOPITSTOPITSTOPITSTOPITSTOPITSTOPITSTOPIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH This is what we look like when you jump into our camp.
Sir Erighan Caldari Blue Star Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:52:00 - [18] Passive Tanks - Shield or Armor Use shield extenders, armor plates and make your resists as high as possible. With most ships, since your not fitting multiple armor reps or shield boosters, you'll usually have enough PG to fit better guns (i.e. Neutrons instead of Ions).
III LightBringer Death by Drones	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:57:00 - [19] Hmm, a gang.. A (T2) battlecruiser Skirmish warfare links T2 disruptors ... These do come to mind... Else, tripple dampners on the sucker and someone cycle-jamming should solve the NOS problem. If you want a counter when you are solo... get a bigger ship. And if you are in a gang as a tackler.. get a nano-cruiser.. they are great tacklers.. and they can if need be carry some NOS of they're own.. LOL And, unless you are ****-poor... get a Scorp.. they are the best tacklers out there.
Akehno VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:03:00 - [20] Originally by: III LightBringer LOL And, unless you are **-poor... get a Scorp.. they are the best tacklers out there. hum .... what ??????????? u mean warping at 60 km and jamm ? o at 0km and miss them all ... " omg , why everybody is locking at me ? damn im down ^^ " --------------- - " Hi sir , please wire me 10M and you free" / " You m* f* , b , I f*** your mom !!!" / " Oki fly safe " (Your security status have been adjusted^^)
Samirol Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Ginger Magician Basically u cant.Nos is probably the most overpowered weapon in the game and I doubt u will find many bs who dont fit a nos these days.It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig.U could try using a tech 2 disruptor and trying to orbit at 24km.If u do that only a heavy diminishing best type nos will be in range to nos u. account sharing will get you banned
Captain Jaikken	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:23:00 - [22] I think large anything always hitting small ships is retarded. They need to just add tracking to nos. I win buttons of any kind are bad.
pshepherd Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Samirol account sharing will get you banned Due to the number of petitions GM must have got about him, The real GM's must have made a deal with him - train charisma, or never play again.
Jamius	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Baudolino IF you are tackling in frig and pinning down a BS that happens to be nossing you- you will not need any counter if your ship is fitted and you have at least half ass skills. Cycle time of heavy nos is 12 sec. Frig will easilly maintain cap recharge of 3-6 pr sec depending on whether you are fitting small nos and/or cap power relay. That give you 36-72 cap recharge during the nos cycle time. enough to maintain your position. Against dual heavy nos, run intermittantly you`ll need at least 6+ cap pr sec to tackle, but should still be able to maintain position. there are more ways, but if you want to know them: join a proper pvp corp I`m sick and ***** tired of people ***ing about nos. Solo or gangwise- a good player will overcome. If you get killed by a gang using tons of nos- it`s only a quicker way to die, not the reason. Pick a fight you can win or play monopoly with your little sister.. While I am not able to verify this person's thoughts on the matter (don't frig tackle much) - I'd listen to him - not anyone who just yells "nerf NOS" - god I hope they do not add tracking or what not to them. Restrict the number you can fit, sure, but don't nerf it against smaller ships - PLEASE!! Take some of the suggestions here OP and test them out on a corp mate and you may get the hang of dealing with the NOS'ers when your tackling. I get the feeling timing the use of your modules is key here.
kill0rbunny Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:25:00 - [25] When i was in my Harpy today, i countered nos with sploding. Took that dumb domi pilot ages to kill me, and some help from an abaddon and a kestrel. But i wasn't able to do anything, by being completely dry in 3 Seconds webbed and waiting for my soon to come death. NOS suck. Killboard
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:37:00 - [26] Originally by: kill0rbunny When i was in my Harpy today, i countered nos with sploding. Took that dumb domi pilot ages to kill me, and some help from an abaddon and a kestrel. But i wasn't able to do anything, by being completely dry in 3 Seconds webbed and waiting for my soon to come death. NOS suck. nub
Warrio Ruin Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Ginger Magician Nos is probably the most overpowered weapon in the game ... It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig. Thus Ginger has logically showen that the fast orbiting frig is in fact the most overpowered thing in the game. The time of the Condor is returning. OhhRahh. Yarr etc.
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Warrio Originally by: Ginger Magician Nos is probably the most overpowered weapon in the game ... It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig. Thus Ginger has logically showen that the fast orbiting frig is in fact the most overpowered thing in the game. The time of the Condor is returning. OhhRahh. Care to refute the logic?
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Ginger Magician It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig. Dual Web + Drones. Ninja vanish! poof
kill0rbunny Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: kill0rbunny ... nub Lol, remember i heard your corp name somewhere. Ahhh you're the nublets that are losing all the carriers. The way to kill carriers quickly nowadays is ... ehrrrm wait...NOS??? nub Killboard
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:45:00 - [31] Edited by: Dr Slice on 07/03/2007 23:49:21 Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Ginger Magician It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig. Dual Web + Drones. Not everyone has 24km webs fitted, Scoundrelus <insert sarcasm> for those of you who are observationally challenged.
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:47:00 - [32] Edited by: Dr Slice on 07/03/2007 23:45:05 Originally by: kill0rbunny Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: kill0rbunny ... nub Lol, remember i heard your corp name somewhere. Ahhh you're the nublets that are losing all the carriers. The way to kill carriers quickly nowadays is ... ehrrrm wait...NOS??? nub This argument is getting rather old. I suggest coming up with something new. We lose carriers because we actually pvp in them, sometimes against the odds. Let me guess, would we lose our nublet status if we kept our carriers docked and never took a loss? Think about the logic you're using. And I won't even get into your advice for gate camping. I recall destroying your post in the other thread last week.
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:41:00 - [33] drop them before i run dry ^^ \|- My Sig loggedoffskied -\| Save Radar Scanner Man!
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.08 05:55:00 - [34] Cap Injecters, MORE NOS, or passive tank
III LightBringer Death by Drones	Posted - 2007.03.08 13:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Akehno Originally by: III LightBringer LOL And, unless you are **-poor... get a Scorp.. they are the best tacklers out there. hum .... what ??????????? u mean warping at 60 km and jamm ? o at 0km and miss them all ... " omg , why everybody is locking at me ? damn im down ^^ " If you want to tackle something, a scorp with warp disruptors+webbers and lots of NOS, EW and a slim tank fitting ain't to bad. Plug in some sensorboosters.. With 4 such tacklers, spread around a gate with a large bubbles, then I think they will be more successfull holding small gangs down, than frig-size ships, as they can't be ganked easily. Such a scorp will cost 30 mill isk to loose. T2 fitted T2 frigs normally cost the same... They are however not that usable. And that omg-I-am-primary-because-I-am-in-a-scorp thing is bull**.. someone have to be primary anyway.. might as well be you. Actually, 10 carriers, 20 scorps strikes me as a nice gatecamp...
kill0rbunny Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2007.03.08 13:22:00 - [36] Edited by: kill0rbunny on 08/03/2007 13:18:41 Originally by: Dr Slice And I won't even get into your advice for gate camping. I recall destroying your post in the other thread last week. You did what? Didn't read it really. I usually ignore the october snow posts, as anybody else on this forum. Killboard
Arrow Jumpdrive Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.10 18:13:00 - [37] Quote: If you use Minnie Guns, and a passive tank, you will be NOS-Proof. /me giggles. Passive tank ? ... and you are repping what exactly?, and with what cap ?, Ever hear of T2 Medium Drones ?, they erase frigs.
Shinjuro Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.10 22:26:00 - [38] Lets say it together now.. C A P I N J E C T ! ! I run a cap injector on my crow now, had 2 heavy nos on me while tackling a raven, never once had mwd or scram go offline.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2007.03.10 22:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Arrow Jumpdrive Quote: If you use Minnie Guns, and a passive tank, you will be NOS-Proof. /me giggles. Passive tank ? ... and you are repping what exactly?, and with what cap ?, Ever hear of T2 Medium Drones ?, they erase frigs. I presume you're thinking of armor tankers; shield tankers (the Drake, notably) do passive tank quite efficiently. You can sit back and smile while your already fit-crippled cap withers away to nothing, to no effect at all on your side and much-reduced effect on the opponent (slow recharge and no cap boosters means they don't get as much benefit from sucking you dry). In the meantime, your shield is regenerating faster as it approaches the 20% mark, and your opponent is wondering why, despite three minutes of continuous nossing, your tank hasn't *****ed. The main problem is, building one like this seems to mean dedicating every mid- or low-slot on the ship to the tank. Best have someone else do the tackling. Oh-- and if you get the chance to warp off while or immediately after being nossed? You're not likely to complete the warp if you headed for a distant gate or planet. Instant safespot.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.10 23:25:00 - [40] Quote: The main problem is, building one like this seems to mean dedicating every mid- or low-slot on the ship to the tank. Best have someone else do the tackling. Agreed, but with rigs now you can spare a mid or two, assuming you are willing to risk them. Not as efficient as ganging, but it made solo a TAD more viable imo.
Cheese999 Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.03.11 00:38:00 - [41] If your tackling, then a small nos will allow you to keep the point on for ages. In a frig you lose most if not all of your cap against a heavy nos each time it cycles. If you have your own nos (a small nos). you get 4 cycles in before losing all your cap again. Which will keep a disruptor running (hopefully) over the dead spot where you have no cap. ----- There is no Spoon Minmatar: Bending over for Tux since RmR Originally by: Outa Rileau bring a nosdomi to a fleet, and your fc will most likely call you primary.

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