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CombatMiner
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Posted - 2007.03.07 04:56:00 -
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Just a quick question, not sure if this is the right channel, but if you're a tackler, say in a frig, and you're scrambling/nossing/shooting/webbing a larger ship (that can fit medium/heavy nos) is there any way to counter your cap getting sucked dry and not being able to run anything? I have to orbit quite close as my guns dont hit out of range of their nos, and if im nossed im dead. So what do you guys usually do?
Thanks for the advice
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Samirol
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.07 05:14:00 -
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cap injectors
i have started using cap injectors on tackler ships so i can actually mwd out of range on a quick burst
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.07 05:18:00 -
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CAP-booster, ECM, Damps, setup for another range
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Katrina Coreli
Soar Angelic
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Posted - 2007.03.07 07:28:00 -
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Cap Injectors on anything above the size of a BC
Ussualy one counter NOS on cruisers
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t72Buttz
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Posted - 2007.03.07 09:13:00 -
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Gyrostabilizer II's 
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Johnny Gurkha
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.07 09:46:00 -
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If you can afford it tackle in a Destroyer with 2 or 3 NOS and a damper 
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.03.07 09:56:00 -
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 Originally by: t72Buttz
Gyrostabilizer II's
I think Samirol needs to get a gyrostabilizer for his sig...
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vagabundos
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2007.03.07 11:12:00 -
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Orbit out of web range and use the scrambler, orbit out of NOS range, aproach and get closer the target, cap injectors (if the circunstance allows it), setup for distance aswell.
It really depends if your in a large or small gang, how many other tacklers there are.
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Ginger Magician
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.07 11:15:00 -
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Basically u cant.Nos is probably the most overpowered weapon in the game and I doubt u will find many bs who dont fit a nos these days.It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig.U could try using a tech 2 disruptor and trying to orbit at 24km.If u do that only a heavy diminishing best type nos will be in range to nos u.
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Ratey
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Posted - 2007.03.07 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ratey on 07/03/2007 11:22:47
good and very helpful info from Ginger, thanks.
The really expensive option is the Domination 30 km scram.
with signal amplifier and max skills, I can just barely stay out of heavy nos range in the claw inty, then if it's a faction heavy nos, then prolly not.
A speed rigged Crow with Domination 30 km scram?
The mentioned desy, fast interdictor is another option.
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Haitchi Allamut
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.03.07 11:28:00 -
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Nos can only truly be countered by an equal of larger amount of nos. I will prove this with my mathskills. Observe.
NOS < MANY NOS.
Im awsome.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2007.03.07 12:30:00 -
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Most of the suggestions here are valid but I'll add if you expect to succesfully tackle a BS with 1 frig sized ship then your likely to fail. The way it should be.
For BC's and Cruisers, more change of success due to smaller NOS sizes but good chance you'll still fail.
At best, against BS in a frig solo, expect to get 1 cycle of your scrambler off and maybe manage to escape alive - hopefully in time for your bigger friends to come and blow your opponent up.
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Redback911
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Posted - 2007.03.07 12:35:00 -
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Cap Injector + mad DPS usually puts domis into structure faster than you can say 'ransom'. Worked the first 9 times anyways, not quite sure what happened the 10th :-( (RIP Baddun)
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Akehno
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.03.07 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Gurkha
If you can afford it tackle in a Destroyer with 2 or 3 NOS and a damper
OMG LOL !!! Johnny u're the best ever man !!! gogo tackle a Pest or a Blasterthron with a cormorant or a trasher :p
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Redbad
Minmatar
Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.07 12:37:00 -
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If you use Minnie Guns, and a passive tank, you will be NOS-Proof.
-- to counter a nanoship, dont leave home without a Scimitar.
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Baudolino
Gallente
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.07 12:42:00 -
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IF you are tackling in frig and pinning down a BS that happens to be nossing you- you will not need any counter if your ship is fitted and you have at least half ass skills.
Cycle time of heavy nos is 12 sec. Frig will easilly maintain cap recharge of 3-6 pr sec depending on whether you are fitting small nos and/or cap power relay.
That give you 36-72 cap recharge during the nos cycle time. enough to maintain your position. Against dual heavy nos, run intermittantly you`ll need at least 6+ cap pr sec to tackle, but should still be able to maintain position.
there are more ways, but if you want to know them:
join a proper pvp corp
I`m sick and ******* tired of people *****ing about nos. Solo or gangwise- a good player will overcome. If you get killed by a gang using tons of nos- it`s only a quicker way to die, not the reason. Pick a fight you can win or play monopoly with your little sister..
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FooB2
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.03.07 12:46:00 -
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Sir Erighan
Caldari
Blue Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.07 12:52:00 -
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Passive Tanks - Shield or Armor
Use shield extenders, armor plates and make your resists as high as possible. With most ships, since your not fitting multiple armor reps or shield boosters, you'll usually have enough PG to fit better guns (i.e. Neutrons instead of Ions).
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III LightBringer
Death by Drones
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Posted - 2007.03.07 12:57:00 -
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Hmm, a gang..
A (T2) battlecruiser
Skirmish warfare links
T2 disruptors ...
These do come to mind...
Else, tripple dampners on the sucker and someone cycle-jamming should solve the NOS problem.
If you want a counter when you are solo... get a bigger ship.
And if you are in a gang as a tackler.. get a nano-cruiser.. they are great tacklers.. and they can if need be carry some NOS of they're own.. LOL And, unless you are ****-poor... get a Scorp.. they are the best tacklers out there.
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Akehno
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.03.07 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: III LightBringer
LOL And, unless you are ****-poor... get a Scorp.. they are the best tacklers out there.
hum .... what ??????????? u mean warping at 60 km and jamm ? o at 0km and miss them all ... " omg , why everybody is locking at me ? damn im down ^^ "
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Samirol
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.07 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
Basically u cant.Nos is probably the most overpowered weapon in the game and I doubt u will find many bs who dont fit a nos these days.It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig.U could try using a tech 2 disruptor and trying to orbit at 24km.If u do that only a heavy diminishing best type nos will be in range to nos u.
account sharing will get you banned
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Captain Jaikken
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Posted - 2007.03.07 17:23:00 -
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I think large anything always hitting small ships is retarded. They need to just add tracking to nos. I win buttons of any kind are bad.
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pshepherd
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.07 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol
account sharing will get you banned
Due to the number of petitions GM must have got about him, The real GM's must have made a deal with him - train charisma, or never play again.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2007.03.07 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Baudolino
IF you are tackling in frig and pinning down a BS that happens to be nossing you- you will not need any counter if your ship is fitted and you have at least half ass skills.
Cycle time of heavy nos is 12 sec. Frig will easilly maintain cap recharge of 3-6 pr sec depending on whether you are fitting small nos and/or cap power relay.
That give you 36-72 cap recharge during the nos cycle time. enough to maintain your position. Against dual heavy nos, run intermittantly you`ll need at least 6+ cap pr sec to tackle, but should still be able to maintain position.
there are more ways, but if you want to know them:
join a proper pvp corp
I`m sick and ******* tired of people *****ing about nos. Solo or gangwise- a good player will overcome. If you get killed by a gang using tons of nos- it`s only a quicker way to die, not the reason. Pick a fight you can win or play monopoly with your little sister..
While I am not able to verify this person's thoughts on the matter (don't frig tackle much) - I'd listen to him - not anyone who just yells "nerf NOS" - god I hope they do not add tracking or what not to them. Restrict the number you can fit, sure, but don't nerf it against smaller ships - PLEASE!!
Take some of the suggestions here OP and test them out on a corp mate and you may get the hang of dealing with the NOS'ers when your tackling. I get the feeling timing the use of your modules is key here.
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kill0rbunny
Chimera Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2007.03.07 22:25:00 -
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When i was in my Harpy today, i countered nos with sploding.
Took that dumb domi pilot ages to kill me, and some help from an abaddon and a kestrel.
But i wasn't able to do anything, by being completely dry in 3 Seconds webbed and waiting for my soon to come death.
NOS suck. 
Killboard
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Dr Slice
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.07 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: kill0rbunny
When i was in my Harpy today, i countered nos with sploding.
Took that dumb domi pilot ages to kill me, and some help from an abaddon and a kestrel.
But i wasn't able to do anything, by being completely dry in 3 Seconds webbed and waiting for my soon to come death.
NOS suck.
nub
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Warrio
Ruin Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.07 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
Nos is probably the most overpowered weapon in the game ... It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig.
Thus Ginger has logically showen that the fast orbiting frig is in fact the most overpowered thing in the game.
The time of the Condor is returning. OhhRahh.
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Dr Slice
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.07 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Warrio
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Nos is probably the most overpowered weapon in the game ... It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig.
Thus Ginger has logically showen that the fast orbiting frig is in fact the most overpowered thing in the game.
The time of the Condor is returning. OhhRahh.
Care to refute the logic?
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Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.07 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
It is actually the only real counter to the fast orbiting frig.
Dual Web + Drones.
Ninja vanish!
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kill0rbunny
Chimera Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2007.03.07 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slice
Originally by: kill0rbunny
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nub
Lol, remember i heard your corp name somewhere. Ahhh you're the nublets that are losing all the carriers.
The way to kill carriers quickly nowadays is ... ehrrrm wait...NOS???
nub
Killboard
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