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Blitz'Krieg
Caldari
SkyMarshal Logistics
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:41:00 -
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I am interested in the effect the titan has had on fleet deployment and manuvers in the new eve. Has the titan effectivelly brought about the end of the blob as we know it?
Certainly i would have thought the days of sitting in one group for an indefinate amount of time are over, but i imagine several smaller groups can still be used effectivelly in the same system.
POS warfare for instance. Is a pos now attacked from several points accross the x and y axis, so that they can maintain distance to target while preventing wholesale doomsday destruction should they be caught out?
This tactic seems like the most easy to get right to me do to one of the smaller blobs being able to warp to one of the others and still maintain distance from target. The fleet could very easily be got together at one point inside of thirty seconds incase of a largescale assault on them.
Has the traditional gatecap changed also? With the new jump portals a gatecap becomes both more vunerable to doomsdaying and less useful do to the ability to bring fleets into the sytem already.
Anyways, i was just interested in peoples thoughts and what they have found in this climate of war of the titans.
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Tunajuice
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:45:00 -
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Blobs still crash nodes. Crash enough nodes and you can't be doomsdayed.
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Harry McWayne
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:48:00 -
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Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:56:00 -
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Spreading out around a POS won't help if you're DD'd, I believe--unless I'm mistaken, the DD effect nukes the entire grid.
As for the rest, I don't have the experience to answer.
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Sorela
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:56:00 -
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From what I've seen it hasn't done anything to discourage blobing if that's primarily what you are asking.
My experience is limited so far but from what I've seen blobbing will not stop simply because it's dangerous to do so. The reasons blobbing happens are far more complicated than the simple need to shoot at your opponent with the most ships possible. Bookmarks, aligning, the warp tunnel etc etc are all things that exacerbate the problem.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
Minmatar
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.07 17:05:00 -
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The reason for blobs stems from the sovereignity mechanics. People will not stop flying in blobs unless those change. It's just that with Titans they will be forced to get a new ship more often.
If titans were indeed meant to be a way to reduce blobs, it's something that attacks the symptoms and not the cause. Btw, it would be nice if the DD's cap was adjusted upwards.
Before the cap boost some patches ago, a Titan could not fire a DD and immediately cyno away, making it killable in a realistic battle scenario. However, cap got buffed but the DD cap requirement stayed the same. This means that a Titan is a tool that totally negates movement in the battlefield without any real risks involved, apart from tricks involving aggro timers and spies.
Imho, titans should be a easier to kill, with an appropriate adjustment made to lower their cost and build time. As they stand now, they mostly lead to a stagnating battlefield, as if POS mechanics wasn't forcing a static enough state of affairs. Unfortunately, we are playing a space game that revolves around medieval tactics. Lot's of sieging going on at predetermined times, trench warfare and the odd big cannon (aka DD) thrown in.
Thankfully CCP said they are looking for more ways to affect stations, i can't wait for mechanics that will allow proper interdiction behind enemy lines and crippling production, research, cloning etc.
 Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet
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Izzy Pol
Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek
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Posted - 2007.03.07 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin
Spreading out around a POS won't help if you're DD'd, I believe--unless I'm mistaken, the DD effect nukes the entire grid.
250km, no more, no less.
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ALPHA12125
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.07 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Izzy Pol
Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin
Spreading out around a POS won't help if you're DD'd, I believe--unless I'm mistaken, the DD effect nukes the entire grid.
250km, no more, no less.
wrong the entire grid. if you can see the titan you are dead 
we found that out too recently
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.07 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Fubear on 07/03/2007 17:13:01
The more Titans are introduced into the game, the less relevant the Battleship becomes in the grand scheme of things. Once battles start being fought with 5-10 Titans on each side, you may as well not bother with 0.0 combat until you have 20Mil SP and can fly a Carrier or Dread.
Titans are one of the worst things ever to be introduced to the game, and CCP really don't appear to give a sht.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.07 17:27:00 -
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Titans are the first step. Remove the silly 60 second (i think?) delay on DD and let then decimate fleets.
Second stop is to split the large single objective that is pos warefare into many much smaller ovjectives.
Kill the blob 
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Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.07 17:31:00 -
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In a word, fleet warfare in the "titan age" sucks.
POS warfare sucks, also.
Titans may not discourage blobbing, but they definitey discourage fights.
Frankly, I wish both (titans and POS, at least in their current forms) would go away.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:21:00 -
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Titans as a ship makes engagements less likely. You need work on your gameplan when you fight in a system with titan(s) deployed so it's still possible but generally they will mean less actual combat. From my experience so far anyway :)
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:34:00 -
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I second that. You are all lazy if you won't fight someone with a titan.
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TasmanianX
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
I second that. You are all lazy if you won't fight someone with a titan.
Funny, i see lots of people in this thread who I KNOW have experiences fighting against titans, and they seem to share the same view.
What exactly is YOUR experience against Titans again?
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Solicitude
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:44:00 -
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Harisdrop
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:45:00 -
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Rule of Three:
I trying to introduce you to the Titan. Let me work on HC alittle more and I might be helpful enough for you to taste it.
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Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: TasmanianX
Edited by: TasmanianX on 07/03/2007 18:38:25
Originally by: Megan Maynard
I second that. You are all lazy if you won't fight someone with a titan.
Funny, I see lots of people in this thread who I KNOW have experiences fighting against titans, and they seem to share the same view.
What exactly is YOUR experience against Titans again?
They have been doomsdayed at least once. They are not completely without titan experience.
From nothing to something in just one corp!
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Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.07 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Adam C on 07/03/2007 19:03:01
an interesting discussion
Right Now - PRE-Sov changes and PRE-Revelations 2.0+
Leads us on a ticking clock of 10's of titans 10's of motherships even a 100' dreds is easy with simple coalitions in a potential engagement.
The discussion is short-sighted (though still interesting) and implying ccp doesnt have Revelations expensions coming out (after all its their stinking brain child)
It does however set expectations. Revelations 2.0+ will need to address. Otherwise certain alliances in 0.0 will be untakable.* However the comeback arguement is; (1) Power of ISK.
Players will mess with server performance/internal stuff to their advantage!
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Psykoman
Caldari
Infinite Improbability Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.07 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Psykoman on 07/03/2007 19:07:44
Originally by: ALPHA12125
Originally by: Izzy Pol
Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin
Spreading out around a POS won't help if you're DD'd, I believe--unless I'm mistaken, the DD effect nukes the entire grid.
250km, no more, no less.
wrong the entire grid. if you can see the titan you are dead
we found that out too recently
wrong. I saw the titan and DD and i'm still alive.
The problem of Titan is when your DD is well executed, there are nothing more to shoot for the BS fleet. that is boring.
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Tunajuice
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.07 19:12:00 -
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Quote:
wrong. I saw the titan and DD and i'm still alive.
Were you entering warp?
Everyone says something different on range of DD... In general, if you see a titan I think you are screwed ;P
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Psykoman
Caldari
Infinite Improbability Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.07 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tunajuice
Quote:
wrong. I saw the titan and DD and i'm still alive.
Were you entering warp?
Everyone says something different on range of DD... In general, if you see a titan I think you are screwed ;P
No. I waited. just watched the DD.
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SaorAlba
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.07 19:39:00 -
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Titans totally kill the fun for the average guy. CCP is clueless when it comes to game mechanics or balancing.
First we receive T2 ammo and everybody starts to snipe dividing the "noob bs pilot" from the well trained T2 bs pilot who is now placed out of the fleet battle. New players who originally recieved the role of tackler are now sniping meat for Eagles. They were placed out the game too.
CCP then took the nerf bat smack up to the T2 ammo introducing nanno schips in the same swing. Meanwhile more and more titans appear with more and more cap who can't be found cloaked nor killed ever since all EW is rendered void and the DD can be fired remote.
So before the Titan we had long and short range battles infront of POS under horrible laggy conditions but atleast we had some cookies. Now we see very large groups of dreads covered by motherships (long range shield, cap and armor boosting under fighter protection) with an Titan cloaked at a safe waiting for U to worp in to get nuked away without any change. Well CCP this makes the new and old time players happy, double strike.
You can fit maybe one ship to survive one blast but forget about two DD at once.
So now the compleet fleet is rendered useless and all T2 bs pilots are training up to fly a capital!! Simply brilliant CCP
Funny thing is CCP handing out several Motherschips and carriers each year to winners of the Championships. We all know that nobody but Bod won them every year over and over again. Purely by shear skills and superoir tactics offcourse.
Wanne bet they throw in a titan for this years winners?
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.07 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 07/03/2007 19:49:25
Originally by: SaorAlba
Funny thing is CCP handing out several Motherschips and carriers each year to winners of the Championships. We all know that nobody but Bod won them every year over and over again. Purely by shear skills and superoir tactics offcourse.
Wanne bet they throw in a titan for this years winners?
Here is a clue...attend the next championship, and win....If you think you have the skill to win go for it, instead of complaining about those who are much better than you in Player combat, and actually attend and win.
And stop the tinfoil conspiracy theories......
Oyher than that, yes, Titans and motherships need tweeking.
Originally by: Jiekon/CCP
If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
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Firane
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.07 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: ALPHA12125
Originally by: Izzy Pol
Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin
Spreading out around a POS won't help if you're DD'd, I believe--unless I'm mistaken, the DD effect nukes the entire grid.
250km, no more, no less.
wrong the entire grid. if you can see the titan you are dead
we found that out too recently
Actually hes right. I was on grid during that engagement and wasn't hit at 350km.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.07 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Malachon Draco on 07/03/2007 21:08:47
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 07/03/2007 19:49:25
Originally by: SaorAlba
Funny thing is CCP handing out several Motherschips and carriers each year to winners of the Championships. We all know that nobody but Bod won them every year over and over again. Purely by shear skills and superoir tactics offcourse.
Wanne bet they throw in a titan for this years winners?
Here is a clue...attend the next championship, and win....If you think you have the skill to win go for it, instead of complaining about those who are much better than you in Player combat, and actually attend and win.
And stop the tinfoil conspiracy theories......
Oyher than that, yes, Titans and motherships need tweeking.
You do know what happened to the GM organising the event?
From your comment I see you don't...
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Kuentai
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.07 21:23:00 -
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Titan - quarter damage through remote cyno, can't activate within 50km of a pos, can't move for 2 min after activation.
A tad harsh, but should sort out the current no risk situation, giving people a chance to tackle those beasts other than with spys and bugs. As for motherships, don't see anything wrong with them myself.
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Nostic
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Posted - 2007.03.07 21:38:00 -
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At the moment it simply means that 2 blobs are required where previously 1 would be sufficient. In 6 months it will mean that anyone who isn't in a capital ship won't be able to participate in territory warfare. There will be no point bringing a battleship that takes several hours worth of ratting/mining to buy, fit, and fly into position, just to lose it to some guy clicking a button once at no risk to himself.
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karumba
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Posted - 2007.03.07 21:57:00 -
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2 hardeners of the right type make a bs immune to titan.
Titans are overrated. Cuddly carebear tools imo.
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Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.07 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 07/03/2007 22:01:56
Originally by: karumba
2 hardeners of the right type make a bs immune to titan.
This is when the second titan in system appears. It only works as long as you are sure you know which race's titan you are up against in advance. Also, the support fleet the titan will have warping in briefly after the DD will have fun shooting down the remaining 50% structure ships.
In any case, titans make it viable to have fleets consisting almost exclusively of capital ships. So they accelerate the existing trend towards ever larger ships by drastically reducing the threat BS fleets have posed to pure cap fleets previously. As such they largely obsolete the ships flown by a large proportion of the player base for larger scale PvP (until you get to scales where the nodes start a-droppin).
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.07 22:35:00 -
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Why are people whining?
Train your skills, raise some isk, and fly nano-nalgfars. Then go pwn a Titan.
The people flying the Titan made the investment, and you shouldn't expect to beat them until you make a similar investment. Until you do, it's just whine, whine, whine.
And by the way, welcome to the world of the rest of Eve. A lot of the people whining about Titans and haves and have-nots here are the same people who would be considered "haves" by plenty of other people in Eve.
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