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Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.09 08:27:00 - [1] Except when the 5 targets you find in 0.0 over the course of an hour logout making training for them completely useless. Can I have my SP back please?
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 08:31:00 - [2] I hear you and I feel your pain. Yesterday I had one do that to me too. Why travel solo in a hauler in 0.0 anyway? F4T4L - Recruitment
Identity Hidden Amarr I Fought Piranhas	Posted - 2007.03.09 08:44:00 - [3] Originally by: Noluck Ned I hear you and I feel your pain. Yesterday I had one do that to me too. Why travel solo in a hauler in 0.0 anyway? Because you can just logoffski at first sign of trouble. WD CCP. You really did include the whole teamwork element.
Znaei Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 08:58:00 - [4] Afaik CCP is well aware of the problem and doesnt like it any more than we do. Last i heard they are trying to find a solution to this problem. Not so hard! Air gets in between.
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.09 09:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Znaei Afaik CCP is well aware of the problem and doesnt like it any more than we do. Last i heard they are trying to find a solution to this problem. Are they really? They seem more interested in keep subscriptions to me.
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Znaei Afaik CCP is well aware of the problem and doesnt like it any more than we do. Last i heard they are trying to find a solution to this problem. Not that concerned, since bubble logging has been around for months.
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:07:00 - [7] In last nights case I had not even put a bubble up yet. I jumped into a system, I loaded up just in time to see the sole other occupant disappear from local. THEN I noticed that there was a hauler on my overview at 15km. I tried to lock him but he warped away. I cursed cruel fate. F4T4L - Recruitment
Aelita Minmatar 47R Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Awox Except when the 5 targets you find in 0.0 over the course of an hour logout making training for them completely useless. Can I have my SP back please? Boy easy solution to this :) take your friend in coverops, skills and reckon probe launcher. They will be surprised when they look at clonig bay after logoffsky :)
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:12:00 - [9] Unfortunately your solution involves taking someone else with you every time you wanna go solo hunting, which sorta defeats the purpose, no?
Solbright	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:41:00 - [10] Usual solution is to blow the **** out of the target before it enters warp. For small targets that would be an insta-pop.

Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Aelita Originally by: Awox Except when the 5 targets you find in 0.0 over the course of an hour logout making training for them completely useless. Can I have my SP back please? Boy easy solution to this :) take your friend in coverops, skills and reckon probe launcher. They will be surprised when they look at clonig bay after logoffsky :) Yeah because that will be exciting for my mate.. I shouldn't need another friend (read another subscription) just to catch people who log off to save themselves when jumping into a bubble. Oh, and before any of you idiots pipe up about gate camps. It's not like I fly with 50 people gangs. I usually fly my dictor solo.
Suzy Creamcheesz	Posted - 2007.03.09 11:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Aelita Originally by: Awox Except when the 5 targets you find in 0.0 over the course of an hour logout making training for them completely useless. Can I have my SP back please? Boy easy solution to this :) take your friend in coverops, skills and reckon probe launcher. They will be surprised when they look at clonig bay after logoffsky :) i thought that if you log off just after jumping and before you decloac, you will not have an agro timer even if you get shot because getting shot while logged off doesnt count for agro. so that would only work if they already have an agro timer from something else. i havent really tested this so please tell me if i am wrong.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.09 11:39:00 - [13] Word is that CCP are going to reassign Ctrl-Q to 'confirm self destruct' for a day and test out how that goes. Blog
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.09 11:45:00 - [14] I heard CTRL-Q in a bubble in the test server is now fixed. I better check it out if its true, and if so.... it will become the most anticipated feature in TQ ever! --
Hei'di Tempt Fate Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 12:36:00 - [15] Maybe more a "Privateer-Problem" but using Logoffski after jumping into a system should also be reviewed. The only good thing is to know that u ruined his/her day. Cheryl Winder my dear, next time u will not survive the 30 seconds in ur bustard. My neutron blasters will be a pain in ur **. Du hast Lust in der Privateer Alliance mitzuwirken? Dann melde dich doch einfach mal bei uns**!
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.09 12:42:00 - [16] Edited by: Awox on 09/03/2007 12:39:12 Originally by: Aelita Originally by: Awox Except when the 5 targets you find in 0.0 over the course of an hour logout making training for them completely useless. Can I have my SP back please? Boy easy solution to this :) take your friend in coverops, skills and reckon probe launcher. They will be surprised when they look at clonig bay after logoffsky :) I just had a guy jump a freighter and sleipner into my camp, he try to warp the freighter away so I scramble it and MWD away from sleipnir. Now, my Huginn buddy is keeping the Sleipnir off me and the freighter is now in my bubble so I MWD away thinking freighter can't go anyway.. But it logs. It doesn't emergancy warp, it just disappears. WTF. [11:46:09] William Hart > logoffski because russians are cool [11:47:41] EVE System > Channel changed to PX-IHN Local Channel [11:49:51] William Hart > how did you log off freighter? [11:49:56] William Hart > I aggressed before he logged off [11:50:03] ___________ > as usual [11:50:19] ___________ > it is you think you agressed [11:50:26] William Hart > I scrambled it mate [11:50:36] ___________ > and what? [11:50:58] ___________ > teach game mechaniks [11:51:05] ___________ > *learn [11:51:26] ___________ > bobits do it regularyy [11:51:38] William Hart > Do I look like a bobit cheaper? [11:53:00] William Hart > did you log on another character? [11:53:10] ___________ > ) [11:53:26] William Hart > now you log out until you have backup [11:53:30] ___________ > i look isane to fight 1vs3? [11:53:30] William Hart > to escort a freighter properly [11:53:40] William Hart > lame. [11:53:46] ___________ > k [11:53:57] ___________ > be happy [11:54:07] ___________ > now you now it [11:55:58] William Hart > I aggressed before you logged [11:56:06] William Hart > you used exploit of some kind to disappear freighter from scans [11:56:07] William Hart > for sure So tell me. How useful is a covert ops if they use whatever exploit the guy used? (I blanked out his name btw)
Nikita Fontaine Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.03.09 12:46:00 - [17] I have experienced lately that people are even logging their noob corp alt scouts to save them from the bubble! I mean seriously come on... ----------------------------------------------- Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ Directors are like buttons they hold things together.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.09 13:35:00 - [18] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 09/03/2007 13:31:47 Originally by: Identity Hidden Originally by: Noluck Ned I hear you and I feel your pain. Yesterday I had one do that to me too. Why travel solo in a hauler in 0.0 anyway? Because you can just logoffski at first sign of trouble. WD CCP. You really did include the whole teamwork element. Ahem. I solo haul in 0.0 on a regular basis, and I (almost) never die and I never logoffski. Aim your flames at the logoffskis not the valid professions they are tainting plz - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
ghosttr Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 13:41:00 - [19] I think that the only fair answer is to give people a legitimate way to escape. Ive been on both side of the bubble and I know it is a great way to catch anyone coming to the gate, but from the other side it can be impassable barricade even for the best of pilots. Maybe change the mechanics a little bit so that trying to pass through a bubble will get you ganked, but allows you to turn and retreat to where you came from. That way it will still work in a blockade and anyone that tries to pass through the blockade will be easy pickings. I also think that the 'blockade runner' transport ships should be upgraded so that they can actually run a blockade. Change the point bonus to an invulnerability to being scrammed by bubbles, and any points must be added with wcs. So they will actually be able to run a blockade if they come across one. HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
Rakeris Brethren Empire	Posted - 2007.03.09 13:47:00 - [20] Originally by: ghosttr I think that the only fair answer is to give people a legitimate way to escape. Ive been on both side of the bubble and I know it is a great way to catch anyone coming to the gate, but from the other side it can be impassable barricade even for the best of pilots. Maybe change the mechanics a little bit so that trying to pass through a bubble will get you ganked, but allows you to turn and retreat to where you came from. That way it will still work in a blockade and anyone that tries to pass through the blockade will be easy pickings. I also think that the 'blockade runner' transport ships should be upgraded so that they can actually run a blockade. Change the point bonus to an invulnerability to being scrammed by bubbles, and any points must be added with wcs. So they will actually be able to run a blockade if they come across one. I have to agree, the only reason people log off to save their ship is because there is no other way...if there wasother options I bet you would see log offs at camps decrease by a ton. ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.

Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.09 14:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Rakeris I have to agree, the only reason people log off to save their ship is because there is no other way...if there wasother options I bet you would see log offs at camps decrease by a ton. DIAF. MWD back to the gate, unless they have a fast-lock Huginn they wont get you. Hell, if you don't have a scout that is talented enough to break out of huge camps then you deserve to have your stupid ass ganked.
Alan Maher Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.09 14:27:00 - [22] There are already way too many ways to escape. We need more ability to set up a freaking wall at actually catch people. Exspecially the meta-gamers who logoff ect to escape
BentMyWookie	Posted - 2007.03.09 14:59:00 - [23] First post on the official forums.. Easy solution to logoffski: Same solution most other MMOs make to logoffski. Logoff Timer. You hit CTRL Q, it brings up a prompt "Are you sure you want to log off?" click Yes 2-minute countdown bar appears on-screen and you cannot move, undock, dock, activate modules or open any windows until the timer expires and the client closes. The UI will essentially freeze with the only exception being a "Cancel" button on the bar which will abort the logoff process. Also, players who get randomly disconnected from the server should not immediately warp out. This causes alliances to lose more Titans than any amount of PvP. So what if it means that if you're ratting in 0.0 and you get disconnected, the rat kills you because you weren't there to turn on your shield booster.. you shouldn't have been flying anything you couldn't afford to lose to begin with.. but losing a capital ship because the server is dying due to some asshat dropping millions of bookmarks at a station elsewhere in the same system (and you couldn't log back in to save your ship because you had to wait in line behind the dozens of other blob pilots) is just plain bad game mechanics, period.
ghosttr Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:03:00 - [24] It should be a blockade, but not be an impassable gank sphere. If you jump into a bubble you should have ample distance to get to the gate shortly, and if you warp into one you should be a few kms away from the edge so you can turn around and go back to where you came from. A bubble should activate the aggro timer so if someone logs in it they dont warp away, but if they decide to turn and run they should be able to do so. HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
Ockk	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:26:00 - [25] It should be a moat. With alligators... that are on fire!!
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:52:00 - [26] Originally by: ghosttr It should be a blockade, but not be an impassable gank sphere. If you jump into a bubble you should have ample distance to get to the gate shortly, and if you warp into one you should be a few kms away from the edge so you can turn around and go back to where you came from. A bubble should activate the aggro timer so if someone logs in it they dont warp away, but if they decide to turn and run they should be able to do so. Impossible gank sphere? If you fit MWD on small ships you can almost always escape. You can also wait out the sphere and take your chances, they don't last very long. Another tactic is to offer to pay for passage. I'd take this always if offered. If someone decides to turn and run and haven't fit an MWD they should die. They shouldn't just log out to save themselves. If they cannot fit an MWD they should have a friend who can run up ahead. People who do stuff like logout to save their ship+pods are really getting to me. They then go on to brag about how good they are other times. Yet they have to logout to escape one Interdictor sphere. It's pathetic.
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Crumplecorn Aim your flames at the logoffskis not the valid professions they are tainting plz I didn't aim my flames at solo haulers. I know it's very possible to do, myself I have a prowler and have never died to a camp. I've warped into large bubble camps and burned to to the gate no problem at all. I was implying that people solo haul in freighters and transport ships with no stabs/nanos/mwd because the better, easier "tactic" is to put expanders in lows, passive shield tank in midslots, and log off at the first sign of trouble. Maximum capacity, hard to kill, and to keep your hauler safe all you need to do is log on a different character on the same account you just logged off of. With a GM recently telling me it was impossible to check aggression/gamelogs of me scrambling someone someone logging out of the game (about 10 seconds difference) I am seriously losing faith in CCP. Can we have PvP in 0.0 or not? WTF CCP.
ghosttr Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Awox Originally by: ghosttr It should be a blockade, but not be an impassable gank sphere. If you jump into a bubble you should have ample distance to get to the gate shortly, and if you warp into one you should be a few kms away from the edge so you can turn around and go back to where you came from. A bubble should activate the aggro timer so if someone logs in it they dont warp away, but if they decide to turn and run they should be able to do so. Impossible gank sphere? If you fit MWD on small ships you can almost always escape. You can also wait out the sphere and take your chances, they don't last very long. Another tactic is to offer to pay for passage. I'd take this always if offered. If someone decides to turn and run and haven't fit an MWD they should die. They shouldn't just log out to save themselves. If they cannot fit an MWD they should have a friend who can run up ahead. People who do stuff like logout to save their ship+pods are really getting to me. They then go on to brag about how good they are other times. Yet they have to logout to escape one Interdictor sphere. It's pathetic. A blockade is there to prevent passage of ships and pilots, if someone doesnt want to try to run the blockade they should be able to leave and find another route. If they want to try and run the blockade logoffskis shouldnt work. But any pilot should be able to turn around and leave rather than engage, not just friggys, shuttles and noobships. People log off because they cant escape any other way, to prevent people from logging off they should be given a legitimate route of escape with any ship (ok well maybe not freightors) but if they choose to attempt to run the blockade they shouldn't be able to escape if they are going down. HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:29:00 - [29] Originally by: BentMyWookie Easy solution to logoffski: Same solution most other MMOs make to logoffski. Logoff Timer. You hit CTRL Q, it brings up a prompt "Are you sure you want to log off?" click Yes 2-minute countdown bar appears on-screen and you cannot move, undock, dock, activate modules or open any windows until the timer expires and the client closes. The UI will essentially freeze with the only exception being a "Cancel" button on the bar which will abort the logoff process. Yes. Additionally, being targetted or fired upon would reset the 2 min timer. Can anyone offer a reason why this wouldnt work?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:34:00 - [30] Originally by: ghosttr I think that the only fair answer is to give people a legitimate way to escape. No. If you warp into a bubble, you ****** up, and that's it. Now, if you are lucky, MWDing to the gate or out of the bubble might save you, but the idea is that you shouldn't land yourself in a bubble anyway. In this way they function as a blockade and you don't get killed. No get-out-of-jail-free cards for the lazy/stupid/suicidal. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.



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