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Siginek
BAND of MAGNUS
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2016.08.22 22:09:58 -
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I wasnt on townhall, but from my pov ...
FAXes are way too overpowered and they need change - with cap boosters they are harder to kill with neut fleets which is pretty much only positive to capitals that came with citadels for WH PVP
I think that we shouldnt try to balance all FAXes for null and for WH simultaneously ... i rolled few capital deaths on zkillboard and i mostly saw amarr/caldari faxes there for nullsec deaths ... minmatar and gallente arent used there in large fights anyway so why should we try to balance them for large fights? why dont we balance them for small scale fights (few caps on grid tops) ... repair bonus could be completely removed and changed for another bonus to be more like archon vs nid prepatch (better logistics for worse self tank)
Maybe give it something like another cap bonus (because neutfleets will be thing in WH no matter what) or something to prevent their fleet to be alphaed (5% armor/shield buffer for whole fleet stackable with boosts maybe?) or even RR range (including cap)
Also if we are looking for lif/ninazu balance for wormholes we should also look for apostle/minokawa, since you can build them to have 400k GJ cap, 30k tank and 50% cap warfare immunity without drugs (if dualarchons were problem precitadel, imagine what this could do ... even worse than current lif or ninazu since they got timer only on stront)
another problem i see there for WHs are dreads ... you have to pick one type of guns for whole fight (unless you have another impel with guns along one with cap boosters) and if your enemy fleet, that doesnt mach your guns, you just took 1/3 of your WH mass for completely useless ship on grid ... even if this doesnt happen and you have "right" guns, you still are kinda useless because with "old" guns you do +/- 14k dps while lif without tank bonus and drug still tanks 40k+, not to mention that enemy capitals are only thing you can shoot with theese guns ... with HAW guns you can shoot enemy subcaps, but their damage is so low that they are still useless if enemy has FAX on grid ... good precitadel thingwas to swich dread targets to break enemy triagereps ... now triage has stronger reps and one more high slot, so dreads took quite big hit in WH capital fights ... biggest issue here from my pov is that you have to chose your guns before fight and you cant change them in fight, even if it ment getting out of siege for 1 min so what i would propose would be some mechanics to allow dreads to change their guns in fight (either reduce capital mods size to fit in fleet hangar or give dreads some kind of "mode" like T3D has to swap from HAW to "old" guns ... even if it ment that dread would need them both fitted)
TL:DR.: FAXes are OP, dont balance them all to large nullsec fights ... dreads took too big hit with citadel patch, they need to be able to change guns even if it ment for dread to not shoot for a while at all |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions
404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.08.23 03:15:34 -
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I quite like the idea of the dread "mode" this could be done easily with a few changes:
1. Remove HAW
2. Make capital guns track similar to what HAW do now
3. Give siege a massive tracking penalty
4. Buff capital guns to do similar dps to what HAW do now (if needed, I think it does)
So with this there's going to be a very clear choice on what you are doing. On the one hand if you're there to clear subcaps you have the freedom to move and track smaller ships, however you can be killed very easily.
If you wanted to hunker down and shoot other capitals, siege up and start blapping, however don't even think about hitting a subcap.
The counter-argument to this is that it brings too much versatility to the field, right now the only ships that have this capability is the tactical destroyer and we probably won't be seeing t3 capitals anytime soon.
It is a problem specific to wormholes, since we can't just cyno out and refit, which is kind of why I like it as it is: you make a call to bring x ship on field to perform y function. You make the wrong call and you pay for it. |
Jack Miton
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2016.08.24 03:36:44 -
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Michael1995 wrote:Wall of text
Do you really believe the garbage that you're spewing or have we entered pure trolling territory now?
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions
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Posted - 2016.08.24 06:08:58 -
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pretty sure if u asked anyone who you think got "forced" out of high class space what their reasons were, getting evicted will not be the thing they say. |
Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
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Posted - 2016.08.24 06:09:31 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Michael1995 wrote:Wall of text Do you really believe the garbage that you're spewing or have we entered pure trolling territory now?
Let's see, one of you posted actual verifiable claims, facts, and events. The other vomited broad, vague, unsupported generalizations and mindless insults.
Which do you think is linguistic garbage?
Hint: the answer was on your 4th grade language syllabus.
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Michael1995
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2016.08.25 05:09:02 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Michael1995 wrote:Wall of text Do you really believe the garbage that you're spewing or have we entered pure trolling territory now?
I'd say "right back at ya" but I know you believe the garbage you spew.
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helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.25 23:45:03 -
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Michael1995 wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Michael1995 wrote:Wall of text Do you really believe the garbage that you're spewing or have we entered pure trolling territory now? I'd say "right back at ya" but I know you believe the garbage you spew.
U guys have taken down over 30 citadels in the last few months.
(some anchoring ..some fully fit)
By blowing up their home in many cases your killing off small and medium corps who are trying to get a start in wormhole space even if they just bears. You might not be killing off the major corps but you are killing smaller corps which are a source of content for many of the other small and large pvp corps in wh space.
I dont think you should be crucified for doing this, several other large wh corps do it too and your making content for your corp. (which is the point of Eve) . However it is true that alot of these small / medium corps move out of wh space and/or many of their members quit after getting hit. Less people in wormhole space doesn't help anyone.
Its actually a game design problem. CCP needs to provide a way to hit another corp in a meaningful and enjoyable way but not actually cause them to lose all their stuff. (granted their are ways to mitigate losing all your stuff via secondary towers or even just warping off haulers and logging them off) but many smaller corps are not this smart. I don't think k space asset safety is the answer.
Because just ganking ships and getting blueballed gets boring after a while so I get why larger pvp corps do evictions/citadel ops to create different types of content for their members.
I think having another structure you could hit and cause a corp damage (but not fatal damage) needs to be introduced to wormhole space. Custom offices suck for this.. their has to be a better option. Maybe when the industrial arrays are introduced it will help.
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Michael1995
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2016.08.26 00:23:26 -
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helana Tsero wrote:U guys have taken down over 30 citadels in the last few months.
(some anchoring ..some fully fit)
Yes we have taken down a fair amount of them. However today we killed our first fitted Citadel on our own, without tagging on someone else taking down another.
If people had taken even the slightest hole control measures many of those citadels would've survived their anchoring timer. We've come through EOL statics as citadels start their final repair timer.
I think people need to adapt and actually use some strategy when it comes to anchoring these things, especially Fortizars. People actually fitting their capitals and utilizing them as opposed to sitting them inside their towers as glorified space toilets might be cool. Considering how powerful HAW dreads in groups are, or even Capital gun dreads supported by a couple vindicators.
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions
404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.08.26 01:49:22 -
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The citadel anchoring problem was discussed in the town hall as well. It was pretty unanimous that the medium ones should have a shorter anchoring time, but yeah a little bit of brains and vigilance and you should be able to anchor one without issues. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
Spectre Fleet Alliance
506
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Posted - 2016.08.30 04:40:58 -
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Michael1995 wrote:
Said stuff
You point out that about a dozen corps where or have not moved. Are you suggesting that all it takes for C6 and c5 space to be "full of content" you only need a dozen or so corps?
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Michael1995
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2016.08.30 05:02:15 -
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You can put as many corps as you want into C5/C6 space but it won't make a lick of difference if they aren't PvP based and don't have the right mindset. I think if CCP actually wants to help with the ~content issues~ in C5/C6 space they need to roll back some if not all of the null connection nerfs, and have another look at capital escalations, AT LEAST.
Also wtb dual statics for C5 space)
Selling WH CFC Standings
10b/month for +10 with:
Lazerhawks,
Hard Knocks,
Overwatch This,
Many Vacancies,
Golden Showers,
Friendly Probes,
Isogen Memed.
Join up for swag C3 Gila/Osprey ratting fleets daily!
We also rent C2s out with CV effect!
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
Spectre Fleet Alliance
508
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Posted - 2016.08.30 06:11:51 -
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Michael1995 wrote:
You can put as many corps as you want into C5/C6 space but it won't make a lick of difference if they aren't PvP based and don't have the right mindset. I think if CCP actually wants to help with the ~content issues~ in C5/C6 space they need to roll back some if not all of the null connection nerfs, and have another look at capital escalations, AT LEAST.
Also wtb dual statics for C5 space)
Don't generally dissagree. But the smaller corp just doesn't have a place in the larger wormholes, you simply lose too much each eviction and every time your dropped your hopelessly out gunned and out numbered. And you just can't have lots of larger corps since there just isn't that many people. So c5 esp are pretty empty. Nice to know if i ever want to go back however.
I was leaving WH space for a while anyway due to RL and time commitment issues. Another 2 weeks and I probably would have got the caps out. Mind you if you turned up about 2 or 3 weeks earlyer you would have found the pos unfuelled ..  it was unfueled for like 4 days.
But i sure as hell would have left (c5/6) anyway after an eviction. Just not worth the risk or ISK for us smaller groups. And there is no risk for your larger groups to evict us. You can roll in more caps than i can get pilots online at any one time. They weren't fun fights. We had plenty of fun fights. But not against you guys. They were pure ganks. Fun for you, not for us.
Also down to my last 12B .. i is so poor now :(
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