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Ranita Drell
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Posted - 2007.03.11 07:02:00 -
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Graphics are not important.
Agreed. Well, sort of agreed.
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The UI is though, as is gameplay, and those two need fixing.
I don't feel qualified to comment much on the gameplay, but the UI could indeed use a lot of improvement. New textures and models are nice and I look forward to them, but what I really want is a way of controlling drones and my ship that isn't so mouse-intensive, more customization options, etc.
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Bluestealth
Minmatar
Star Scream Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.11 07:17:00 -
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Graphics matter when I am playing a game (made) in 2007 that looks like its textures were from 1992...
Eve has made incremental changes over the years to improve its graphics, it looks a lot better then beta imho.
They are also well underway with a big project to catch them up completely with modern games.
Gameplay is FAR and away more important then graphics in my mind. Graphics only matter when they interfere with gameplay. In my case it would take a very long time for Eve's graphics to interfere with my gameplay, for you apparently not.
I myself enjoy firing up some VERY old games from time to time, because I love the game, I could care less about graphics.
The best example I can give of this would be system shock 2, where fans made updated textures to make the game "more enjoyable", however they did this because it is a great game.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.03.11 09:49:00 -
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I've found that content is a lot more important than graphics.
UI is important as well.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.11 09:56:00 -
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Of all the reasons to quit, this is actually one of the ones I wouldn't think of.
10/10 for originality.
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sakana
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.11 09:58:00 -
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yet eve still wins awards for its graphics?
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.03.11 10:06:00 -
[36]
Originally by: sakana
yet eve still wins awards for its graphics?
They would win awards for the lag if they advertised in the right places.
I'd appreciate a better UI myself, maybe if EVE were up to today's standards we would also get new players. I'm a bit tired of the bitterness and hatred the mindless addicts here on EVE-O are spreading ("STFU", "go away, noone likes you", "noone cares about your whining" etc. etc.).
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.11 10:10:00 -
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I was wondering why CCP were even bothering with new graphics tbh. I've played Eve since release and I've yet even to set it to high detail mode other then to take a short look at some structures.
If you play or leave eve because of graphics then I believe you should have left ages ago already because of not seeing the massively more important appeal of its gameplay.
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Sensor Error
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.11 10:15:00 -
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1) The graphics update is OPTIONAL. You can't have eye watering OMFG IT'S BEAUTIFUL graphics in an MMO...
2) Why do people who quit always have multiple accounts? Someone pointed this out in another thread, and it's bloody true!
3) Can I have your stuff?
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.03.11 10:18:00 -
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Gameplay > Eye candy.
The "Ooo Ah" factor graphics bring to the overall experience is not that lasting and do more to attract new players than keep older ones. CCP could make EVE CGI movie quality and after a month or so, once the novelty wore off, people would be back to complaining about logoffskis or what have you.
Sexy graphics are like a one night stand. Can be a fun little ride, but hardly determines the success of the long term relationship.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2007.03.11 10:18:00 -
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I'll just be happy when CCP finaly understands what a graphics card is.
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Galifardeua
Gallente
Completament Tarats
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Posted - 2007.03.11 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything
This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around.
If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it. Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em.
Out of the two, his is the more correct way of putting it.
I would actually say that graphics age, gameplay lasts forever.
I think the words you're looking for are "slightly less wrong." Neither expression is correct. Graphics are a direct part of gameplay, the same way camera control and character interaction would be, since they directly effect your gameplay experience.
Nah, He is right, graphics are not important, gameplay is. Of course user interface is important, but that resides more in the gameplay section than the graphics one.
For example check ADOM or any other good roguelike. I don't think you'll even call them graphical, but they are good and have a cult-like following.
Have fun.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr
BOOM - Gotcha
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Posted - 2007.03.11 11:55:00 -
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Awwwww RUN TO MUMMY AND OCMPLAIN
No on wants poeple like u in this game, CCP isnt here to please u, get used to it
can i hav eur stuff?
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
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Posted - 2007.03.11 11:58:00 -
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To the OP. Can I have your stuff? And please tell me which MMORPG out there looks better than Eve?
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Daemon Jax
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:02:00 -
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I adjusted my gamma, brightness, and contrast using ATI Tray Tools... it was kinda like a miniature graphics update for me :D
Eve still looks sexy to me... Maybe not as eye candy as it did back in 2003, but it still looks really good to me.
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SPIONKOP
Caldari
Under The Edge
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:05:00 -
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So Graphics are more important than gameplay, I think not.
Not everyone can afford to upgrade to the lastest Dual Core CPU's with twin graphics cards and the lastest OS.
I think most people would rather CCP invest in fixing bugs, performance and other issues. Sure a nice looking game adds to the overall gaming experiance but not worth quiting over.
Good look in finding a game that looks better than Eve. Maybe you should concentrate on Single player FPS games.
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Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
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2) Why do people who quit always have multiple accounts? Someone pointed this out in another thread, and it's bloody true!
interesting, always fitting the topic dont you guys...
last time it was "why do ppl quit always have only 1 account"
make up your fucking mind?
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Linerra Tedora
Amarr
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:10:00 -
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4-5 years old graphics engine... wow.. that's young still.. if a company had to upgrade every 2nd year, it would be all they could ever do... and not give new content then..
but have you even read the recent dev blogs.. they are working on a full graphics update... so stop whining and give me your stuff instead...
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Lady Ganker
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:11:00 -
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Not everyone has the lastest hardware and gfx card to get that all running, what you want. Besides I think eve is good and beautifull enough as it is now.
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Lord Boxxer
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:16:00 -
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great, less lag for us.
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything
This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around.
If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it.
I don't see how EVE have a bad graphics. Old - yes. Bad looking - no.
What really needs an improvement is a user interface, but it have nothing to do with graphics engine itself.
Originally by: Haffrage
Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em.
Well you might consider playing a single player games if you value modern visual effects so much.
This game is four years old, but check a Rookie help channel - the first impression of EVE graphics is still on a high level. Why would CCP need to bother about fixing something which is not broken? 
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heheheh
Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: heheheh on 11/03/2007 12:16:12
i dont aggree with the OP at all,
the game is awsome,
the graphics are ok.
just because OP has a cutting edge system does not mean the graphics needed updating.
MUMMY MUMMY I WANT IT NOW syndrome this is.
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Lucas Kell
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:27:00 -
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OP: I'm sure CCP are gonna cry themselves to sleep over your 3 accounts.
If they upgraded to a DX10 engine i'm absolutely positive they'd lose a lot more players since a lot of people just simply aren't ready for that upgrade.
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Crydawner
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything
This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around.
If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it. Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em.
Out of the two, his is the more correct way of putting it.
I would actually say that graphics age, gameplay lasts forever.
Starcraft ftw :)
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Casseia Majumdar
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:41:00 -
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Of all the things to cancel an account for... 
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Aero089
Exiled.
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:56:00 -
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No offense, but such a reason is beyond me, seriously.
Eyecandy isn't what makes a game good. Eyecandy is nice for maybe the first week after being confronted with it, then you start to take it for granted and focus more on the gameplay.
To tell you the truth, EVE is still one of the most beautiful games around and it still amazes all the friends that I show it to. You've gotten used to it, and that's how you start deeming it out-dated.
I do agree with the netcode issue however, as I'm a close-up-and-personal fighter prefering speed and manoeuvring over a slow and sluggish tank. Unfortunately, nearly all my fights end up in a lagfest where it takes short of a minute to lock something not to mention activate modules on it, and that really blew it for me. I have moved out of 0.0 because of this, as fleet battles are common there now.
I have thought about quitting EVE because of it too, lowsec skirmish warfare is EVE's last card for me. If that also turns out to be broken in certain ways, I'll be in the market for a new game.
CCP, I really like your company. You have a great workspace culture that many companies can envy, but sometimes I feel that you're working on an already broken game engine that seriously needs replacing.
I can recall that you have once said that the programming structure you work with is a very easy one, may this easy language also be the cause of all these problems due to possible inefficiency? Is it not time for a replacement?
I'll be honest, it's a mind-boggling idea to convert EVE's current code to a new programming language and hell, I doubt it's even profitable.
My mind is scattered between business and dreams at the moment.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.03.11 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 11/03/2007 13:44:51
Originally by: Eldon Tyrell
CCP you are taking way too long to upgrade this very old rendering engine.
I been playing off and on since 2003 and was reading up on it for years before its release so I know how old this engine really is.
Now I read that the Directx10 upgrade could be over a year away. Even with the snazzy new textures and bump mapping that the DX10 upgrade will offer, I wonder if that's really enough to bring this game up to current industry standards.
In any case I have run out of patience and have cancelled my accounts will keep them on ice for now. And walking around in stations in my avatar will not be bringing me back.
It's time to overhaul this engine CCP or you will see your original core of players begin to fade away. Your user base will eventually begin to shrink as new more impressive online games begin to appear.
upgrades that count:
*flexible interface:(declutter options etc)
*some form of in-flight physics (inertia modelling etc).
*Redo the net code to allow for more interactive combat.
*customizable sounds (selective)....some of the laser sounds in this game really get on my nerves after 3 years.
Across the board use of shaders, advanced rendering techniques etc...
I realize you have a lot of people playing this game with 4-5 year old systems that will scream bloody murder if you make a real upgrade but for the rest of us it's time for EVE 2.
I made my vote by withdrawing my money support.
Don't let the competition pass you by CCP.
This is the most pathetic reason to leave a game over I have read for a good time now! Congratulation!
Oh, BTW. You say you got 3 accounts. Please name your characters there. For some reason, everyone who is leaving and making posts about it have many accounts....
Originally by: Eldo Davip
PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT.
WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Fayn Trak
Gallente
Myridian Trading Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.11 13:50:00 -
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But...but it has been upgraded since 03, atleast once maybe twice..
More interactive combat would be nice though. I suppose we'll be seeing you in a few months.
A herd of cattle
A flock of geese
A lot of isk
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.03.11 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aero089
I'll be honest, it's a mind-boggling idea to convert EVE's current code to a new programming language and hell, I doubt it's even profitable.
It simply impossible. Much easier to make a EVE Online 2 then to rewrite...
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Pantheon Lea
Farmer Boyz
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Posted - 2007.03.11 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Eldon Tyrell
CCP you are taking way too long to upgrade this very old rendering engine.
It's time to overhaul this engine CCP or you will see your original core of players begin to fade away. Your user base will eventually begin to shrink as new more impressive online games begin to appear.
Sure, just like Quake I and Half-Life lost almost it's players when spiffy new graphics appeared in new games.
It's about seeing trough what is 20 inch in front of your nose tip.
Pantheon Lea
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.11 14:03:00 -
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If you play or leave eve because of graphics then I believe you should have left ages ago already because of not seeing the massively more important appeal of its gameplay.
Spot on tbh. To the OP, do you really think that the "veteran user base" has played for 4 years because of pretty ships? 
Originally by: elbenito
The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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