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MrLobster Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.11 14:14:00 - [61] Well I think the graphics are pretty good :) Better than elite... ______ Catch the Pigeon!
d026 WIPE INC	Posted - 2007.03.11 14:25:00 - [62] im only going to leave if they nerf missiles!!!!111 ohh fu they allready did -.-
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.03.11 15:53:00 - [63] Edited by: Galk on 11/03/2007 15:50:55 Originally by: Karunel To the OP, do you really think that the "veteran user base" has played for 4 years because of pretty ships? Indeed. In fact, seem to remember a thread from 2-3 years ago, guy puts the question... would you see away with graphical ships and such like.. as a posible way of improving playability in large group actions..(kinda like q3 did with the simple icons replacing models.. i think) just about every hardcore person in the thread... said yes to it. From that i think it's fair to say people are more interested in outcomes.. pretty much what keeps alot a people dialed in to eve.... never grows old: it's like rod said, doesn't matter what it looks like... all that matters is functionalilty to achieve. (aka win)... if thats your game... graphics don't realy matter ______
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:02:00 - [64] Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 11/03/2007 15:59:06 Graphics?! GRAPHICS?! THAT is your complaint!? What about the lag, the stutters on aggro, the inability to conduct large fleet battles, the (arguably) screwed up market/escrow system and the myriad other issues that need to be addressed before they worry about graphics or content? Of all the things... how dare you sir. How dare you.
NotASerpinator	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:07:00 - [65] i;d like to see the upgrade soon too. And thinking there are no other games in the making that cant challenge EVE is wrong. People notice how EVE is working,and they will try to make their own EVE. also thos 150k active accounts are a lot 150,000x14$ a month. Convert that into the icelandic currency and thats how much they make a month
Jacobz Caldari Tyrannia Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:14:00 - [66] If the OP got something right is when hes talking about Eve's UI. They really need to accept the modern standards of UI moding. I want DPS-Meters and others mods, I want a UI that I can fully customize etc. The hot key menu and setup needs to be completely redone to todays standards. One of the biggest flaws in Eve for me, compared to other MMO is that I can have a UI that is comfortable to play with. All I get is a UI built with a very clear "build-as-you-go" attitude, that makes it one of the worst on the market ergonomically.
Araxmas Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:26:00 - [67] Yes the dx10 update is a bit away, but be patient, dont moan and cancel your accounts because people who need to remodel....everything. Aren't going to your liking. Also the dx9 update isn't that far behinds. I would love to see you model dx10 objects faster. -------- Robbie Rotten left me
Kiviar Caldari VorthosCorp	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:38:00 - [68] Eve has pretty nice graphics for an engine so old. Especialy considering some of the new games coming out like Vanguard that have a brand new engine and 15gb of models and textures which just looks like Luclin era EQ.
zeroh Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:55:00 - [69] Can i have your stuff snip, your sig exceeds 24000 bytes and lacks sufficient EVE content. -HornFrog
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.11 16:59:00 - [70] Edited by: DubanFP on 11/03/2007 16:55:43 There's more, MUCH MUCH MORE to a game then graphics. Graphics are icing on the cake. And if you quit a game because of graphics then why are you even playing in the first place? ______________________ Interested?
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.03.11 17:20:00 - [71] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 11/03/2007 17:17:00 I'm happy that I can still play EVE on my old PC. If a PC from 2006/2007 and a high speed connection was required, then it would cost CCP more old customers than they could gain new ones. MMORPGs are different. A lot less 1337 gamers, who pay 500 bucks for a new graphics card each year and things like that. Good that the DirectX-10 client is optional for some time, otherwise it would be suicide in my eyes for CCP, if they would force people to switch to it already this year.
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.11 17:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Indiano Arko Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything This argument is more full of it than putting it the other way around. If a game looks like absolute CRAP then nobody's going to play it, I don't care HOW good the gameplay is without it. I don't see how EVE have a bad graphics. Old - yes. Bad looking - no. What really needs an improvement is a user interface, but it have nothing to do with graphics engine itself. Originally by: Haffrage Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Half of the experience is the immersion, and it's damn hard to immerse yourself in a 2 bit game of pong with both bars having fitting slots and drone bays. I'll take a game that keeps me visually entertained and challenged in gameplay over a "better" game with **** graphics any day, because it'll be more fun and entertaining. You've got eyes, use em. Well you might consider playing a single player games if you value modern visual effects so much. This game is four years old, but check a Rookie help channel - the first impression of EVE graphics is still on a high level. Why would CCP need to bother about fixing something which is not broken? And you might consider reading what you quote. Nowhere did I say graphics are more important than gameplay. I say they were part of gameplay, and whether just because people say they aren't doesn't mean they aren't, they're a main attraction to a large part of the eve community and CCP simply wouldn't be where it is if Eve didn't look so good. And while you're rereading it, show me where I said Eve's graphics are bad, because as far as I can tell I wasn't talking about Eve. On top of that, when one talks about graphics, they don't talk about just the graphics engine, otherwise they would have specified that, they talk about the graphics in their entirety. This includes the graphics user interface. The graphics are broken in so many ways, and that's the problem. The fact is, they shouldn't lag so much just to have basic things on, and you should be able to disable even more basic things. We can turn off turrets and effects like nos and webs, but what about missiles? Should turrets and effects even cause the immense lag they already do? How is that not broken? What about gang effects, the entire client locks up for everybody in your squad if somebody else in your squad enters or undocks in a system. Then there's sun occlusion, why won't it just stay hidden behind ALL of the planets? Why won't all planet rings stay hidden behind all the planets, instead of blinking in and out? Why do engine trails chop themselves up and shoot off in random directions when you zoom in and out? And don't even try to say the overview isn't totally ******. All of those are things that are broken, and AFAIK CCP IS fixing it. It's a retarded defense to say "don't fix it if it ain't broken" when it IS broken and CCP IS fixing it. (And don't gimme any of that "quit if you don't like it" crap, I play the game because it does keep me visually entertained and it does provide a gameplay challenge, if it didn't do either I'd probably be playing another game that did) -----
Blue Tsunami	Posted - 2007.03.11 17:55:00 - [73] Originally by: Princess Voodoo Who is eve competing with? No one. Actually Star Trek online is coming soon and it looks amazing. I would make the switch but I can't stand there concept of using crews for the larger sized ships, enabling players to only pilot ships like the Defiant and similarly sized ships.
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.11 19:47:00 - [74] Originally by: Haffrage And you might consider reading what you quote. Nowhere did I say graphics are more important than gameplay. You said you don't care about gameplay if graphics aren't best. Originally by: Haffrage I say they were part of gameplay, Graphics is graphics and gameplay is a gameplay. No need to mix them up. I still remember text based games in 80s which had a wonderful gameplay even without a graphics engine. Originally by: Haffrage and whether just because people say they aren't doesn't mean they aren't, they're a main attraction to a large part of the eve community and CCP simply wouldn't be where it is if Eve didn't look so good. You contradict here with yourself, don't you think so? Originally by: Haffrage And while you're rereading it, show me where I said Eve's graphics are bad, A simple conclusion after reading a topic subject and your phrase about I don't care about gameplay if there is no graphics. Basically, you have canceled your EVE accounts because of EVE graphics, but now you are saying that EVE graphics at least "aren't bad". Am I confusing something? Originally by: Haffrage because as far as I can tell I wasn't talking about Eve. Ehm... Now I am confused. What were you talking about if not about EVE? I honestly thought we are talking about EVE. Hmm? Originally by: Haffrage On top of that, when one talks about graphics, they don't talk about just the graphics engine, otherwise they would have specified that, they talk about the graphics in their entirety. This includes the graphics user interface. Ah, so we have a missunderstood terms. Sorry, "graphics" and "user interface" is a bit different things. You should not mix em up. User interface by far not only consist of graphic. User interface is how you interact with game. Originally by: Haffrage The graphics are broken in so many ways, and that's the problem. The fact is, they shouldn't lag so much just to have basic things on, and you should be able to disable even more basic things. We can turn off turrets and effects like nos and webs, but what about missiles? Should turrets and effects even cause the immense lag they already do? How is that not broken? It's not exactly a graphics engine problem. Just related to it. EVE is being heavy on CPU. Switching to DX10 it self won't fix this problem. Originally by: Haffrage What about gang effects, the entire client locks up for everybody in your squad if somebody else in your squad enters or undocks in a system. This is not a graphics problem. Originally by: Haffrage Then there's sun occlusion, why won't it just stay hidden behind ALL of the planets? Why won't all planet rings stay hidden behind all the planets, instead of blinking in and out? That's your graphical card problem with how it works with Z-buffer. Just a minor a bit annoying issue. Originally by: Haffrage Why do engine trails chop themselves up and shoot off in random directions when you zoom in and out? Confirmed, but hardly noticeable. Originally by: Haffrage And don't even try to say the overview isn't totally ****. Well, OV and graphics is not same. OV is a user interface part and I agree UI in EVE is not good. Even bad. But game is playable and gameplay it self overvalues UI issues. At least in my eyes. Originally by:** Haffrage All of those are things that are broken, and AFAIK CCP IS fixing it. It's a retarded defense to say "don't fix it if it ain't broken" when it IS broken and CCP IS fixing it. No need for swearing. I have partly missunderstood you.
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.11 20:25:00 - [75] Originally by: Indiano Arko stuff Assumptions make an ass of you and me. But this time mostly you :X Quote: You said you don't care about gameplay if graphics aren't best. Way, way, way off, I don't even know why I'm reading the rest of your post after this. Wasn't talking about eve, was talking about games in general. If I was talking about Eve I would have said Eve in specific. But I didn't. You might as well be saying controls and gameplay are two different things. If graphics cause lag, graphics effect gameplay. If graphics inspire awe in you and you love it when ships explode, graphics are a part of gameplay for you. Etc. Graphics directly impact your perception of what is happening. Something tells me nowhere near as many people would be so into PVP if there weren't any explosions, bangs, shiny lights, and little drones zipping around. It's a major part of what gets the adrenaline going like it does in this game. It's the same thing that draws people to monster truck shows. It wouldn't be nearly the same game if we were all flying around in unshaded spheres and cubes with no visual effects whatsoever, and there is no argument with that. We also wouldn't have so many videos being put up and downloaded in a forum made just for that, we would have a story telling or combat log exchange forum. Switching to the new trinity graphics engine will switch the graphics engine from running primarily on the CPU to the GPU, which as far as I've ever known is the main problem with graphics lag. Eve runs almost entirely on the CPU. The gang issue is a graphics problem if it locks up the entire client, because it's the graphics that lock up ;p While the overview has little to nothing to do with graphics, it obstructs your view of the graphics if you, say, have a gang and you stretch it all the way to the bottom. Something tells me most of the overview problems will go away in the new client. You seem to claim I'm contradicting myself because, you even admit this, you're misinterpreting my posts. And yet all you've done here is contradict yourself by admitting eve is broken with X, Y, and Z, but still saying it's not broken. Way to go :P PS: Retarded isn't a swear word. **** is, though. -----

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